The Drifter and Eris are probably my favorite characters because of their bond. Two incredibly broken, traumatized people coping in different yet similar ways, finally finding comfort and understanding in each other. The character writing in this game never fails to make me feel things man, its great.
I want to echo what byf said in that I really love how healthy their relationship is. They are clearly helping eachother and building trust from their hurt place. Its truly cool to see their path of healing they build together
@@reggielacey2235 ur joking right? It's literally a core aspect of his character that he's traumatized but just doesn't talk about it. A common defense mechanism for traumatized individuals is to never acknowledge the trauma. His arc has been him slowly learning to open up to people through Eris.
I find Elsie’s potential feelings and reactions the most interesting. After all, she’s from a timeline Eris does fall to the darkness and that leads to a final collapse. One wonders if it was like this or substantially different
I always wondered how would Eris overpower Savathun. But, if she became a "Hive Witch god of Vengueance" I can believe the hive and corrupted guardians following her
Different I'm sure. The problem with elsie's timeline was that the hero characters were splintered. The reoccurring theme lately is that instead now they all come together time after time
@@edenfire plus Darkness had that tempting energy that can corrupt if not handled with proper care. As Elsie said the Guardians were introduced to Darkness with the temptation of greater powers, using it recklessly while unknowingly letting it corrupt them. Her involvement helped proved the Darkness isn't just hard wired evil, but a power that can be used for good if handled with great discipline
Pretty sure there are unreleased lore spoilers on this out there in the internet atm... when they officially release, I'll cover them. For now... Just hang tight. We'll definitely get to Elsie.
@@MynameisByf seems like there's a bug where completing the story on subsequent characters unlocks some of the lore books early, including the one I think you're referencing. So it's sorta in game already...
That's what I thought too... I think a lot of people say that he's gonna be who pulls her back from losing her humanity but I think that it's gonna be quite the opposite.... I think drifter knows how badly eris needs this to work and he's going to push her further into her transformation
Drifter was the second thing that came to mind after I watched Eris transform into the Hive God of Vengeance. The first was the Dark Future and what happened to Eris on that timeline. Drifter x Eris. 💚🖤💚
I wouldn't call Eris and the Drifter's relationship "romantic" (At least not yet) but I also wouldn't call it "Platonic" either, due to how incredibly intimate they are with each other (especially with them sharing stories, sending private messages to one another, giving each other nicknames, etc). But their baggages are a main contributing factor keeping them from Evolving their relationship into something more. It's fitting for characters that keep other's out of arms reach due to their trauma, can be so incredibly magnetic. Ironic that two lone wolves would find valuable company in one another.
Ironic, but fairly realistic. I make my closest friends with other more reserved or "lone wolf" kind of people, because we know when to take a step back and let the other be. No one else does, and that makes it hard to get close to them because they try to get close to you and it pushes you away because you just want to stop and process and be on your own for a little bit.
@@kugelblitz1557I'm also a heavy introvert, as is all my immediate family. I've also always been a sort of social outcast in school, and funnily enough all my acquaintances have been too, my three best friends (gone our separate ways because life) were all dorks like me. We found comfort in each other and it worked for a while. Have I had trauma in my life? Sure, not any more or less than anyone else I imagine. I was bullied at school my whole life and lived with an emotionally absent father, which has left me with Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD), low self esteem and self confidence. Having someone to talk to definitely helps, but like you say it's difficult to truly let anybody 'in', like show expose your very soul/being or whatever intimately with someone. I haven't been able to do that thus far and allow myself to heal, though it isn't for a lack of trying. Perhaps one day. I think it's why I love the Drifter and Eris's connection/relationship. It's authentic, compassionate, grounded and mature. I wish I had something like that irl.
I recall a bit of dialogue between Eido and Eris where Eido mentions that Drifter had told her something that Eido agrees with. When Eris asks what it was and Eido didn't respond, Eris got surprisingly concerned(?) and her tone shifted dramatically. I think that was what cemented for me that While they aren't romantically involved yet, clearly Eris cares about what Drifter's opinion is, or more than she lets on. It was definetly a comedic bit but i loved it none the less
As someone who wants to be a writer I have to applaud the shit outta Destiny's writers for having the restrain not to shove drifter into this season just because it stars Eris and clearly they're hinting at the two being a thing. Like it would've been so easy to just slap Drifter into this story and have him comment on every thing Eris is doing but no, they're letting Eris and Ikora play out their dynamics and showing some god damn restraint.
Maybe a word or two from Drifter in the radio message wouldn't hurt, but yea his silent this season is actually him showing trust to her. Awesome stuff. Edit: this comment age like a milk, you're gonna love this week dialogue (2nd week of the season to be exact for someone in the future)
Man I really hope one of the episodes (or even an expansion!) stars Drifter and Eris. Drifter especially since we know so much but also so little about his baggage, and getting a cutscene where he finally cracks and reveals a crazy part of his back story or something (like with Zavala and Saladin in Haunted and Risen respectively) to Eris would be phenomenal stuff.
"I don't trust them. I trust her." - Drifter I think people are missing this very subtle declaration of love. For drifter to trust anyone at all to this degree, it means to let them in completely. and often times he won't even fully commit to saying he trust someone. But with Eris, no matter what is reported. No matter what the data may show. He believes in her in no uncertain terms. Even in this lore card he was concerned not with if she'll be able to control the transformation, but about how painful the transformations must feel. How the tithes to her must feel. He main worry was, above all else, "how is she feeling right now?" Yet instead of going out of his way to ask others about her or even to question her directly as most partners would do, he placed his trust in that whatever it is she's feeling shes not weak. She can handle it. If there's a job to do, Eris, as both a guardian and a witch, will find a way to grin and bare it to complete her mission. The consideration it takes to set your own worries aside and not voice them because you don't want her to think even for a second that she might fail is powerful. Ever notice how the Drifter is really only close with us, Mythtax, Elsie Bray, and now Sloan? His core motivation, core belief and tenet is to survive to see the next day no matter what. The only way to live up to that belief is to stay prepared even in the quiet moments. And the people on his friends list are all people who embody that survivalist affinity. But while we on the list embody the desire to survive, Eris and The Drifter ARE survival personified. Neither the Drifter or Eris are liars. if go so far as to say neither ever lies. they may not share everything they know, but they would never lie to you if asked a direct question. the Drifter said, "I don't trust them. I trust her." And to me, without him even realizing it. This was a small declaration of his growing affections to her. He may not admit it for a long while, but he's already proven it to her by sharing a dark moment in his past with Sloan. Not because he believed it would help her, but because Eris believed that HE could be the one to help her. And so, he set out to try.
I am super hyped about this seasons story and lore. Having said that, is anyone else a little disappointed that there was no mission to find Immaru? I mean we haven't seen him since WQ, and he just...shows up? And willing to cooperate?
I was thinking the same thing, but I can imagine that seeing as Savathun theoretically saw all this coming, she probably just told him to cooperate in order to bring her back asap
It probably happened like this: "This is Ikora Rey, broadcasting on all known Hive Ghost frequencies. I am seeking an audience with Immaru." "Yeah, She said you would come calling at some point. It's about time, if you ask me."
@@lucasrios2089 that theory does make perfect sense. However, does feel like it could have been an entire seasonal story beat. Honestly I thought that's what this season was going to be entirely focused on, finding Immaru. And while I am pleasantly surprised about the direction we are going, would have been nice if the Hidden gave us I tel that he was hiding somewhere on Mars and reuse the space from the opening mission or from Vox Obscura. Or he was hiding by the shard of the traveler in the dark forest and using the shard's light to hide his own
I really like eris, she's ready to throw hands with the hive anytime we ask, and she makes us awesome guns. I think a good end to her story would be for her to become a full hive god after defeating xivu arath and then lets drifter turn her into a gun and give that gun to us as his most trusted friend
I really hope that later in the season we see Eris on the verge of falling to corruption. Only for drifter to show up and help pull her back to our side. Id love to see their growing bond blossom like this. Edit I don't mean drifter swooping in and single handedly saving Eris like some form of hero or even in a romantic way. I mean him just offering some words of encouragement for Eris. He trusts her, and the relationship they have is built on trust. But even so drifter supporting Eris and helping remind her who she is alongside someone like Ikora would be great to see. Plus it'd remind Eris she doesn't have to carry her burdens alone and has people to fall back on. Hell I'd settle for some words of encouragement over the radio in helm. I just wanna see more of these two. I don't want drifter to steal Eris's thunder either I just want to see him help her.
This would be cool as hell, but I kinda think I'd love it even more if Eris never faltered. It would be such a great way to cap off her character, to show her being strong and confident on her own with tons of power to back it up. To me that would suggest Eris' strength of character and conviction comes both from herself, but also the trust we and others have put into that strength of character.
I just remembered a couple of quotes about vengeance: when embarking on the road to revenge, you must dig two graves, one for your enemy and one for yourself. The other: vengeance always destroys the avenger. Im also curious to see if eris, can give up the power of being a hive goddess of vengeance once xivu is gone.
I could totally see a scene where the power starts to overtake Eris to the point she feels like she will never be able to make a comeback, only for the Drifter to step in and somehow pull her back to her senses. I dont know if Bungie would put anything like that in, but it would show just how strong the feeling of trust is between them.
Whenever my Grampa said I couldn't or shouldn't do something and I protested by saying how trustworthy I would be or that I would do it right, he would always turn to me and say "I trust you. It's the rest of the world I don't trust". The Drifter is giving me that same vibe through this
This really feels like a Carol and Daryl situation from TWD. They were my favorite characters to watch grow and change. Sure their relationship seemed more like a brother and sister one, but it was similar to what Byf said. The whole time I was thinking about how Daryl lost his brother, and Carol her daughter. They bonded over the loss and trusted each other to keep that from happening again.
Recently been binge-watching from Season 2 all the way to Acheron in Season 11, so I like this comparison alot, Drifter being the lone wolf survivalist like Daryl, and Eris the last member of the first fireteam to go after Crota, the one who’s had to make hard decisions to survive, just like Carol.
My first thought when it was announced that Eris would turn was “Are she and Drifter still a thing?” Thanks for uploading this because I haven’t had time to log on.
I absolutely love that small line of dialogue. . "y'know, some days I still wake up scared. Even when I can't remember my dreams." "That is what it is to survive." As a survivor, seeing these two characters who are trying to heal and trust and work towards a better future is genuinely awesome writing.
I think Eris made the best possible option for this terrible situation we've put ourselves in. We're unbelievably stupid to have gotten to this point, but Eris is doing the right thing. probably. I'm not 100% sold on the idea of tithing to a hive god in order to kill a hive god for another hive god.
A lot of happiness can be derived from our relationships with others. Like Byf said, positive relationships require trust between the two people, but it also requires us to trust ourselves in various ways. I'm glad to see that Eris and Drifter trust not only each other but themselves, and I wish I could hold the same trust in myself.
I totally forgot about the building trust and first step lore, but I still would like to see even if it's a silly dialog like "would you like some fried scarbs?" Between the two of them in this season, even if the new hand cannon lore pretty much makes it clear what drifter thinks
This is one of my favorite videos you've made. Eris and Drifters relationship is absolutely one of my favorite side plots in the lore and imo the perfect encapsulation of the strengths of Bungie's writing team. Such a somber and deeply personal connection that is conveyed so eloquently, and you summarized it so perfectly.
I'm going to put money on Eris going too far into the darkness during this season and Drifter has to do something crazy(maybe give his life? but not sure if it needs to be that crazy) to bring her back. This relationship is the one I'm most invested in ever since I first heard Drifter say "Moondust". They've been building it for so long, hearing Eris' first quips with Drifter way back when felt so right knowing what they've both been through.
From the moment I saw Eris in the Dark Belows trailer. I knew she would be my favourite character in the series, and that still hasn't changed. I will follow her story for as long as they write for her, because it will always be one of the best stories in gaming
The start of the gambit match where Drifter is on about Hive eyes isn't random - He and Eris were discussing eating them during some quest on Titan if I'm not mistaken. They made it sound like some kind of drug lol
Immediately I thought Ikora sounded borderline like a KAREN. I have Eris' ship that has excellent lore that gave clues to her final shape. Excellent video Broseph love the lore, love the voice, love it in general you have a great narrative aspect that D2 is lacking for sure!
I am so glad that we have you as a lore master for the game dude. I am going to be experiencing the story through you from now on because I just can't with bungie anymore that last state of the game just put the final nail in the coffin for me personally, but we don't need to talk about that. Thanks for being you, can't wait to see more.
No matter how damaged you are, there's always that one person who's just as damaged. It links you both. That's what Drifter and Eris share. Damaged and slowly starting to lift each other up.
I love the Drifter and Eris's Relationship, whether it be romantic or platonic or somewhere in between or outside of, drifter came across as aloof, distrusting, and ever-confident of himself, as eris and drifter have gotten closer there's this hint of humanity coming out of him. I noticed it for a long while now, but it really clicked when he immediately had sympathy for Sloane, and tried to take charge of the situation, something about the way he handled that made my heart ache
I think there is no proper word to describe this kind of relationship besides an understanding. But there is some kind of for lack of a better term, "love". A deep unending well of understanding and compassion, that defies explanation or description. It's wonderful and excelent.
You’ve said 4th Hive God in a few videos now… referring to Eris in addition to Savathun, Oryx, and Xivu Arath. However… wasn’t Crota a Hive God as well? Just wondering if I misunderstood something about him.
I've trusted Eris since day 1 since destiny 1. I always knew she'd become some sort of Hive/get some form of power back, and I'm proud of how far she's come despite all the bad stuff in her life
This budding trust and understanding between these two characters is what makes me love thier bond even more. I can not wait for them both to find their joys (either with each other or elsewhere) 🥰💕
After Final Shape they really should get together as like the "Shadow blades" of The Last City. Basically they "operate where others cannot". And OF COURSE they should totally be shipped. They really deserve each other. I hope after this is all over they can just carve out a little place for themselves and settle down and let their pasts be in the past and move forward together.
Yeah, i agree that Eris and Drifter are not in a relationship. Obviously there’s some sort of feelings there, but I think like you said it’s more of an understanding between the two of them. They’re both hurt, and they can live alongside that pain together.
The power of trauma bonding. lol Byf, I love ya, brother. But as someone from the southern US, your Drifter voice will always get a chuckle out of me. Keep up the great work, bud. You're doin' great.✌❤
I always wondered when we started fighting alongside cabal and fallen if we would ever fight alongside hive and if some lightbearing hive joined eris' side that would be amazing
Drifter has been through so much. I feel like he could have a mental breakdown at any moment, like in the middle of his scentence he just slows down his speech, everything hitting him at once, and he just screams full force. And i feel like the VA could accomplish this and put a ton of emotion in it.
Weird thought but what if.... Eris gets consumed by hyve power after killing Xivu. Drifter steps in, trying to rescue her, bring her mind back. Eris kills Drifter, regrets, cutscene..... Eris takes over Gambit in his memory and finally finds joy
Honestly im glad they're taking their time, theyve both been around for quite some time, they cant just fall head over heels for eachother immediately. Props to bungie's writers for taking their time
My immediate thought, when reading Kept Confidence, was "Jokes on us, he's into that shit." But then it occurred that Drifter characterized his survival (to Sloane) last season as running from things that scared him. And in that light, his trust becomes an expression of bravery and faith in her that no one else is equipped to express. Even his viagra joke becomes a means of expressing that faith.
Details about Eris Morn’s ascension and tithing that I stood out to me: 1. As far I can tell, Eris did not bond to a worm. It is likely that the worm sliver in our staff, and her naming the three Worm Gods, is her way of circumventing this particular issue. 2. Normally, when Hive tithe they hold onto part of the tithe to themselves to feed their worm and themselves. In our case, however, we don’t have a worm to feed, so all of our tithe goes directly to Eris. 3. Recall that for the Lucent Hive, their tithing system has been impacted by the introduction of Light, which as far I can ascertain, seems to help substitute for some of the tithe they normally need to collect. What effect does our own Light have on our tithe to Eris?
If the story doesn't have a moment where Eris is holding everyone hostage or going over the edge and Drifter rocking up saying "It's time to come home, Moon dust" then I'll rage.
I would be really happy if those two ended together, I don't normally like couples in games that we are focused on soothing stuff because there is things more interesting but since we got Saint and Osiris, would be cool to see those two together.
I find it interesting that nobody, or at least few enough that it seems like nobody, mentions Elsie's list of how other futures ended - in particular, the one where Eris became a hive god and brought about the end of the guardians
I think the firefighter analogy perfectly describes the situation this season. As terrifying the idea of a new Hive god is, Im glad that its Eris, who knows the Hive better than any other guardian, and who knows what she is doing.
Honestly I've trusted Eris since day one of Dark Below, she's led us to kill a literal god within like 5 mins of meeting us she said, yeah that dude fucked my homies up, can you kill him? And shit we did. She seen his dad and didn't even hesitate to trust us with not taking his power, but even made us a gun made of him and said yeah, enjoy your new toy. Same with Drifter, though he may act sketchy, he's kept it real with us. And you know what, I trust Savathuun, I think she really is gonna turn a new leaf against the Witness and may even bring Oryx and help Xivu swap sides before the end. Would be dope to watch the three of them fight the unknown disciple as siblings. If there's one thing I know, Savathuun doesn't want to win as much as she wants the Witness to lose.
There is 1 bit of lore, in the new weapons or armor, I can't remember which, talking about how not understanding or being tricked by Savathun was a tithe for her, reminding us of just how tricky & manipulative she can be.
I love getting the gambit experience but instead of a gameplay perspective it's from a lore perspective from some other guardian(s). I hope we get more experiences from how in universe guardians experience it, shoot I want to know the everyday people of the destiny universe think of it and is it aired like crucible?
"The assembled Guardians watched him in silence" implies the Guardians are standing by stoically, rather than dancing and making pretty colors in the air
The Drifter and Eris are probably my favorite characters because of their bond. Two incredibly broken, traumatized people coping in different yet similar ways, finally finding comfort and understanding in each other. The character writing in this game never fails to make me feel things man, its great.
I want to echo what byf said in that I really love how healthy their relationship is. They are clearly helping eachother and building trust from their hurt place. Its truly cool to see their path of healing they build together
Even without their bond they are amazing characters, but together they have such a good dynamic.
Drifter isn't broken or traumatized
@@reggielacey2235 ur joking right? It's literally a core aspect of his character that he's traumatized but just doesn't talk about it. A common defense mechanism for traumatized individuals is to never acknowledge the trauma. His arc has been him slowly learning to open up to people through Eris.
Agreeeed!🙏💯
I find Elsie’s potential feelings and reactions the most interesting. After all, she’s from a timeline Eris does fall to the darkness and that leads to a final collapse. One wonders if it was like this or substantially different
I always wondered how would Eris overpower Savathun. But, if she became a "Hive Witch god of Vengueance" I can believe the hive and corrupted guardians following her
Different I'm sure. The problem with elsie's timeline was that the hero characters were splintered. The reoccurring theme lately is that instead now they all come together time after time
@@edenfire plus Darkness had that tempting energy that can corrupt if not handled with proper care. As Elsie said the Guardians were introduced to Darkness with the temptation of greater powers, using it recklessly while unknowingly letting it corrupt them.
Her involvement helped proved the Darkness isn't just hard wired evil, but a power that can be used for good if handled with great discipline
Pretty sure there are unreleased lore spoilers on this out there in the internet atm... when they officially release, I'll cover them. For now... Just hang tight. We'll definitely get to Elsie.
@@MynameisByf seems like there's a bug where completing the story on subsequent characters unlocks some of the lore books early, including the one I think you're referencing. So it's sorta in game already...
I might even go as far as to say that Drifter might be happy for Eris because he knows that this is her chance to finally heal.
That's what I thought too... I think a lot of people say that he's gonna be who pulls her back from losing her humanity but I think that it's gonna be quite the opposite.... I think drifter knows how badly eris needs this to work and he's going to push her further into her transformation
@@zigzag2370 I’d say exactly this but my hope would be that in pushing her into the abyss he also keeps her from losing herself in it
@@agentAR67 t minus 23 hours till we start to get a better understanding of the story path I suppose 🤣😜
They fuckin
Drifter was the second thing that came to mind after I watched Eris transform into the Hive God of Vengeance. The first was the Dark Future and what happened to Eris on that timeline.
Drifter x Eris. 💚🖤💚
Ding ding ding ding DING.
HIVE. Bring a sword ;)
🖤💚🖤
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Fixed it for you lol (joke)
@@flagondragon1854 lol
@@DavidUtaudrifter the man of many curiousities😂
They share a color scheme too, it's meant to be.
I wouldn't call Eris and the Drifter's relationship "romantic" (At least not yet) but I also wouldn't call it "Platonic" either, due to how incredibly intimate they are with each other (especially with them sharing stories, sending private messages to one another, giving each other nicknames, etc).
But their baggages are a main contributing factor keeping them from Evolving their relationship into something more. It's fitting for characters that keep other's out of arms reach due to their trauma, can be so incredibly magnetic.
Ironic that two lone wolves would find valuable company in one another.
Ironic, but fairly realistic. I make my closest friends with other more reserved or "lone wolf" kind of people, because we know when to take a step back and let the other be. No one else does, and that makes it hard to get close to them because they try to get close to you and it pushes you away because you just want to stop and process and be on your own for a little bit.
@@kugelblitz1557I'm also a heavy introvert, as is all my immediate family. I've also always been a sort of social outcast in school, and funnily enough all my acquaintances have been too, my three best friends (gone our separate ways because life) were all dorks like me. We found comfort in each other and it worked for a while.
Have I had trauma in my life? Sure, not any more or less than anyone else I imagine. I was bullied at school my whole life and lived with an emotionally absent father, which has left me with Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD), low self esteem and self confidence.
Having someone to talk to definitely helps, but like you say it's difficult to truly let anybody 'in', like show expose your very soul/being or whatever intimately with someone. I haven't been able to do that thus far and allow myself to heal, though it isn't for a lack of trying. Perhaps one day.
I think it's why I love the Drifter and Eris's connection/relationship. It's authentic, compassionate, grounded and mature. I wish I had something like that irl.
giving each other nicknames 🥰
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I recall a bit of dialogue between Eido and Eris where Eido mentions that Drifter had told her something that Eido agrees with. When Eris asks what it was and Eido didn't respond, Eris got surprisingly concerned(?) and her tone shifted dramatically.
I think that was what cemented for me that While they aren't romantically involved yet, clearly Eris cares about what Drifter's opinion is, or more than she lets on. It was definetly a comedic bit but i loved it none the less
When I first started hearing Drifter start calling Eris "Moondust" I was like: "A-Are...are they a thing?!?!"@@Random_Banshee
I hope Drifter keeps a close relationship to her, an anchor to keep her humanity.
I suspect that he's going to be very important in keeping her from being entirely subsumed into her Hive identity.
I love how drifter treats her like a person, seem healthy and positive
Drifter knows people. Unlike many Risen of his time, he lived amongst mortals as a mortal.
She turned herself into a Hive God, guardian.
it was the funniest shit I have ever seen.
-Drifter
As someone who wants to be a writer I have to applaud the shit outta Destiny's writers for having the restrain not to shove drifter into this season just because it stars Eris and clearly they're hinting at the two being a thing.
Like it would've been so easy to just slap Drifter into this story and have him comment on every thing Eris is doing but no, they're letting Eris and Ikora play out their dynamics and showing some god damn restraint.
On one hand I completely agree. On the other, I can't get enough of our Meretricious Rogue.
@@Clarity_Controlthat’s a beautiful ten dollar word man thanks for saying it I’m looking it up now
@oldman4949 Stop cussing at him- 🙃
I definitely think the drifter will come at the end of the season to help Eris embrace becoming a hive god and killing Xivu
Maybe a word or two from Drifter in the radio message wouldn't hurt, but yea his silent this season is actually him showing trust to her. Awesome stuff.
Edit: this comment age like a milk, you're gonna love this week dialogue (2nd week of the season to be exact for someone in the future)
Makes me wonder will some Hive guardians join the new Hive God?
Lucent Hive allies... hell yeah
Better than a final death.
maybe after we beat xivu, and savathun comes back, we can be buddies with em.
I think this is setting up in d3 hopefully in the future we get to be humies exo awaken eliskni and hive guardians that be cool
@@sirderpington7704 I agree 😁👍
Man I really hope one of the episodes (or even an expansion!) stars Drifter and Eris. Drifter especially since we know so much but also so little about his baggage, and getting a cutscene where he finally cracks and reveals a crazy part of his back story or something (like with Zavala and Saladin in Haunted and Risen respectively) to Eris would be phenomenal stuff.
"I don't trust them. I trust her." - Drifter
I think people are missing this very subtle declaration of love. For drifter to trust anyone at all to this degree, it means to let them in completely. and often times he won't even fully commit to saying he trust someone.
But with Eris, no matter what is reported. No matter what the data may show. He believes in her in no uncertain terms. Even in this lore card he was concerned not with if she'll be able to control the transformation, but about how painful the transformations must feel. How the tithes to her must feel. He main worry was, above all else, "how is she feeling right now?"
Yet instead of going out of his way to ask others about her or even to question her directly as most partners would do, he placed his trust in that whatever it is she's feeling shes not weak. She can handle it. If there's a job to do, Eris, as both a guardian and a witch, will find a way to grin and bare it to complete her mission. The consideration it takes to set your own worries aside and not voice them because you don't want her to think even for a second that she might fail is powerful.
Ever notice how the Drifter is really only close with us, Mythtax, Elsie Bray, and now Sloan? His core motivation, core belief and tenet is to survive to see the next day no matter what. The only way to live up to that belief is to stay prepared even in the quiet moments. And the people on his friends list are all people who embody that survivalist affinity. But while we on the list embody the desire to survive, Eris and The Drifter ARE survival personified.
Neither the Drifter or Eris are liars. if go so far as to say neither ever lies. they may not share everything they know, but they would never lie to you if asked a direct question. the Drifter said, "I don't trust them. I trust her." And to me, without him even realizing it. This was a small declaration of his growing affections to her. He may not admit it for a long while, but he's already proven it to her by sharing a dark moment in his past with Sloan. Not because he believed it would help her, but because Eris believed that HE could be the one to help her. And so, he set out to try.
I am super hyped about this seasons story and lore. Having said that, is anyone else a little disappointed that there was no mission to find Immaru? I mean we haven't seen him since WQ, and he just...shows up? And willing to cooperate?
Billion company, no resources, please understand.
I was thinking the same thing, but I can imagine that seeing as Savathun theoretically saw all this coming, she probably just told him to cooperate in order to bring her back asap
It probably happened like this:
"This is Ikora Rey, broadcasting on all known Hive Ghost frequencies. I am seeking an audience with Immaru."
"Yeah, She said you would come calling at some point. It's about time, if you ask me."
@@lucasrios2089 that theory does make perfect sense. However, does feel like it could have been an entire seasonal story beat. Honestly I thought that's what this season was going to be entirely focused on, finding Immaru. And while I am pleasantly surprised about the direction we are going, would have been nice if the Hidden gave us I tel that he was hiding somewhere on Mars and reuse the space from the opening mission or from Vox Obscura. Or he was hiding by the shard of the traveler in the dark forest and using the shard's light to hide his own
@nathanmellott2262 was probably hiding in savathuns spire tbh deep inside the throne world
Drifter: If there’s a hole, there’s a way.
He's eaten worse.
I though the same but holy.. 😂😂
Pretty sure there's a lore tab where Drifter talks about liking the taste of hive. Don't quote me on that though.
Drifter: wooooh, Moondust gotten on my shroms,
anyway
TRANSMAT FIRINGGGG!
@@beanburrito9215 thats a pre match gambit voiceline
I really like eris, she's ready to throw hands with the hive anytime we ask, and she makes us awesome guns. I think a good end to her story would be for her to become a full hive god after defeating xivu arath and then lets drifter turn her into a gun and give that gun to us as his most trusted friend
Beautiful.
I really hope that later in the season we see Eris on the verge of falling to corruption. Only for drifter to show up and help pull her back to our side.
Id love to see their growing bond blossom like this.
Edit
I don't mean drifter swooping in and single handedly saving Eris like some form of hero or even in a romantic way. I mean him just offering some words of encouragement for Eris. He trusts her, and the relationship they have is built on trust. But even so drifter supporting Eris and helping remind her who she is alongside someone like Ikora would be great to see. Plus it'd remind Eris she doesn't have to carry her burdens alone and has people to fall back on.
Hell I'd settle for some words of encouragement over the radio in helm. I just wanna see more of these two.
I don't want drifter to steal Eris's thunder either I just want to see him help her.
Holy crap. That would be so good!
I really hope 🥹
This would be cool as hell, but I kinda think I'd love it even more if Eris never faltered. It would be such a great way to cap off her character, to show her being strong and confident on her own with tons of power to back it up. To me that would suggest Eris' strength of character and conviction comes both from herself, but also the trust we and others have put into that strength of character.
The writers be like “Eris need no man to save her.” She does need an anchor to keep her grounded and not be alone.
Eris morn, hive God of Romance.
"Jokes on you Moondust, I'm into that shit"
Just staring the video but I assume the TL;DR is "It's not a deal breaker"
"Hive bring a sword" Now has a whole different meaning coming from drifter
I just remembered a couple of quotes about vengeance: when embarking on the road to revenge, you must dig two graves, one for your enemy and one for yourself.
The other: vengeance always destroys the avenger.
Im also curious to see if eris, can give up the power of being a hive goddess of vengeance once xivu is gone.
I’m thinking it will take the death of Eris to kill Xivu
I could totally see a scene where the power starts to overtake Eris to the point she feels like she will never be able to make a comeback, only for the Drifter to step in and somehow pull her back to her senses. I dont know if Bungie would put anything like that in, but it would show just how strong the feeling of trust is between them.
Thinking we would end up having to do something to stop her or drifter would do something to stop, bring back, or end up killing her.
Whenever my Grampa said I couldn't or shouldn't do something and I protested by saying how trustworthy I would be or that I would do it right, he would always turn to me and say "I trust you. It's the rest of the world I don't trust".
The Drifter is giving me that same vibe through this
This really feels like a Carol and Daryl situation from TWD. They were my favorite characters to watch grow and change. Sure their relationship seemed more like a brother and sister one, but it was similar to what Byf said. The whole time I was thinking about how Daryl lost his brother, and Carol her daughter. They bonded over the loss and trusted each other to keep that from happening again.
Recently been binge-watching from Season 2 all the way to Acheron in Season 11, so I like this comparison alot, Drifter being the lone wolf survivalist like Daryl, and Eris the last member of the first fireteam to go after Crota, the one who’s had to make hard decisions to survive, just like Carol.
My first thought when it was announced that Eris would turn was “Are she and Drifter still a thing?” Thanks for uploading this because I haven’t had time to log on.
I absolutely love that small line of dialogue. .
"y'know, some days I still wake up scared. Even when I can't remember my dreams."
"That is what it is to survive."
As a survivor, seeing these two characters who are trying to heal and trust and work towards a better future is genuinely awesome writing.
I think Eris made the best possible option for this terrible situation we've put ourselves in.
We're unbelievably stupid to have gotten to this point, but Eris is doing the right thing. probably.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea of tithing to a hive god in order to kill a hive god for another hive god.
A lot of happiness can be derived from our relationships with others. Like Byf said, positive relationships require trust between the two people, but it also requires us to trust ourselves in various ways. I'm glad to see that Eris and Drifter trust not only each other but themselves, and I wish I could hold the same trust in myself.
I totally forgot about the building trust and first step lore, but I still would like to see even if it's a silly dialog like "would you like some fried scarbs?" Between the two of them in this season, even if the new hand cannon lore pretty much makes it clear what drifter thinks
This is one of my favorite videos you've made. Eris and Drifters relationship is absolutely one of my favorite side plots in the lore and imo the perfect encapsulation of the strengths of Bungie's writing team. Such a somber and deeply personal connection that is conveyed so eloquently, and you summarized it so perfectly.
Eris: Becomes a literal HIVE God
Drifter: Oh no, shes hot
I'm going to put money on Eris going too far into the darkness during this season and Drifter has to do something crazy(maybe give his life? but not sure if it needs to be that crazy) to bring her back. This relationship is the one I'm most invested in ever since I first heard Drifter say "Moondust". They've been building it for so long, hearing Eris' first quips with Drifter way back when felt so right knowing what they've both been through.
@My name is Byf this is probably one of your most deep and emotionally thoughtful videos to date! Well done sir!
From the moment I saw Eris in the Dark Belows trailer. I knew she would be my favourite character in the series, and that still hasn't changed. I will follow her story for as long as they write for her, because it will always be one of the best stories in gaming
thanks byf for all the lore!
7:48 I love how this whole conversation between them is doublespeak. They’re saying things without saying it
That excerpt from the Purpose lorebook is so freaking sweet. It had me all kinds of misty-eyed. Excellent music choice for while reading it, too
The start of the gambit match where Drifter is on about Hive eyes isn't random - He and Eris were discussing eating them during some quest on Titan if I'm not mistaken. They made it sound like some kind of drug lol
Eyes up Guardian, Byf has dropped another vid.
AWESOME video Byf!! The history of the older guardians is amazing! Eris’s and Drifter even more so due to there suffering.
“Woah-ho there moondust, your lookin a little hivey. More than usual…”
Immediately I thought Ikora sounded borderline like a KAREN. I have Eris' ship that has excellent lore that gave clues to her final shape. Excellent video Broseph love the lore, love the voice, love it in general you have a great narrative aspect that D2 is lacking for sure!
I am so glad that we have you as a lore master for the game dude. I am going to be experiencing the story through you from now on because I just can't with bungie anymore that last state of the game just put the final nail in the coffin for me personally, but we don't need to talk about that. Thanks for being you, can't wait to see more.
"Hell yeah, Moondust! Bring over that hivussy!"
No matter how damaged you are, there's always that one person who's just as damaged. It links you both. That's what Drifter and Eris share. Damaged and slowly starting to lift each other up.
These two have a healthier relationship than 80% of other people because of how real and honest they are😂
Yoooooo that duck/Drifter analogy is on point! I say that one all the time. "I'm just ducky" calm on the surface, paddling frantically underneath 😂
I love the Drifter and Eris's Relationship, whether it be romantic or platonic or somewhere in between or outside of, drifter came across as aloof, distrusting, and ever-confident of himself, as eris and drifter have gotten closer there's this hint of humanity coming out of him. I noticed it for a long while now, but it really clicked when he immediately had sympathy for Sloane, and tried to take charge of the situation, something about the way he handled that made my heart ache
I think there is no proper word to describe this kind of relationship besides an understanding. But there is some kind of for lack of a better term, "love". A deep unending well of understanding and compassion, that defies explanation or description. It's wonderful and excelent.
I’m not sure she is gonna come back from this.
Nah we'll turn her into a weapon
@andrewsmith7285 I mean "technically" she's becoming a weapon already to kill Xivu 😅
You’ve said 4th Hive God in a few videos now… referring to Eris in addition to Savathun, Oryx, and Xivu Arath. However… wasn’t Crota a Hive God as well? Just wondering if I misunderstood something about him.
I've trusted Eris since day 1 since destiny 1. I always knew she'd become some sort of Hive/get some form of power back, and I'm proud of how far she's come despite all the bad stuff in her life
As a firefighter in Kelowna right now, your analogy was apt.
This budding trust and understanding between these two characters is what makes me love thier bond even more. I can not wait for them both to find their joys (either with each other or elsewhere) 🥰💕
Ahhhhhhhh the lore video I (and Robyn) were waiting for
After Final Shape they really should get together as like the "Shadow blades" of The Last City. Basically they "operate where others cannot". And OF COURSE they should totally be shipped. They really deserve each other. I hope after this is all over they can just carve out a little place for themselves and settle down and let their pasts be in the past and move forward together.
Yeah, i agree that Eris and Drifter are not in a relationship. Obviously there’s some sort of feelings there, but I think like you said it’s more of an understanding between the two of them. They’re both hurt, and they can live alongside that pain together.
The power of trauma bonding.
lol Byf, I love ya, brother. But as someone from the southern US, your Drifter voice will always get a chuckle out of me.
Keep up the great work, bud. You're doin' great.✌❤
Well...Drifter has already eaten some Hive....*ahemm*
I always wondered when we started fighting alongside cabal and fallen if we would ever fight alongside hive and if some lightbearing hive joined eris' side that would be amazing
Drifter has been through so much. I feel like he could have a mental breakdown at any moment, like in the middle of his scentence he just slows down his speech, everything hitting him at once, and he just screams full force. And i feel like the VA could accomplish this and put a ton of emotion in it.
Drifter would definitely be like “nice”
Weird thought but what if....
Eris gets consumed by hyve power after killing Xivu. Drifter steps in, trying to rescue her, bring her mind back.
Eris kills Drifter, regrets, cutscene.....
Eris takes over Gambit in his memory and finally finds joy
Sitting here, this in the background, then all of a sudden, I'm broken out of a trance by Oblivion music in a Destiny game video
Honestly im glad they're taking their time, theyve both been around for quite some time, they cant just fall head over heels for eachother immediately. Props to bungie's writers for taking their time
Byf taking the black ops 3 revelations explanation for the drifter. i love it
Huh, this was my exact question from the 24 hours into the season video. Glad I get answers.
If this doesn’t make drifter want to smash even more, then man it’s joever
the firefighter analogy is really good
My immediate thought, when reading Kept Confidence, was "Jokes on us, he's into that shit." But then it occurred that Drifter characterized his survival (to Sloane) last season as running from things that scared him. And in that light, his trust becomes an expression of bravery and faith in her that no one else is equipped to express. Even his viagra joke becomes a means of expressing that faith.
For some reason I really want fan art of drifter as a duck
I love this story thread so much
The drifters life parallels my own and i love eris, so seeing this kind of rapport is deeply satisfying.
Details about Eris Morn’s ascension and tithing that I stood out to me:
1. As far I can tell, Eris did not bond to a worm. It is likely that the worm sliver in our staff, and her naming the three Worm Gods, is her way of circumventing this particular issue.
2. Normally, when Hive tithe they hold onto part of the tithe to themselves to feed their worm and themselves. In our case, however, we don’t have a worm to feed, so all of our tithe goes directly to Eris.
3. Recall that for the Lucent Hive, their tithing system has been impacted by the introduction of Light, which as far I can ascertain, seems to help substitute for some of the tithe they normally need to collect. What effect does our own Light have on our tithe to Eris?
Every time I hear the duck analogy, I think of BO3 Revelations with Dr. Monty screaming “I AM THAT DUCK!”
I'm gonna be REALLY UPSET if eris dies at the end of this season....she's literally the only character in the whole game I'm genuinely invested in
Drifter before Hive goddess: I wonder what her lips taste like.
Drifter after Hive goddess: I wonder what her lips taste like.
The part about the Guardians watching him in silence is hilarious, because that’s what we do.
It’s like the Sr Pelo meme “And they just stared at me”.
"Hey Guardian, heard you were Moondust's acolyte now. Guess that makes me your Hive Daddy. TRANSMAT FIRERING!"
If the story doesn't have a moment where Eris is holding everyone hostage or going over the edge and Drifter rocking up saying "It's time to come home, Moon dust" then I'll rage.
I would be really happy if those two ended together, I don't normally like couples in games that we are focused on soothing stuff because there is things more interesting but since we got Saint and Osiris, would be cool to see those two together.
Not to mention Drifter's holstered gun is Trust (the hand cannon). If that was on purpose that's a really cool detail Bungie put there.
Bro, 10:35 I’m 4 shots deep🤣 why the drifter gotta be so wholesome. I love this game
I find it interesting that nobody, or at least few enough that it seems like nobody, mentions Elsie's list of how other futures ended - in particular, the one where Eris became a hive god and brought about the end of the guardians
"I've always wanted a pet Hive. The Ascendant Plane must be full of all kinds of .... I'm oversharing. Transmat firing"
Drifter: if there’s a hole, there’s a goal
Great video! I do think their relationship will progress. Time will only tell.
Drifter: "No way they came out with an Eris flavored Hive!"
Byf making a football movie reference with that duck analogy? If that is where you got that from, good on you bro
That duck refrence reminds me of when dr monty said it in B03 revelations
I think the firefighter analogy perfectly describes the situation this season. As terrifying the idea of a new Hive god is, Im glad that its Eris, who knows the Hive better than any other guardian, and who knows what she is doing.
Honestly I've trusted Eris since day one of Dark Below, she's led us to kill a literal god within like 5 mins of meeting us she said, yeah that dude fucked my homies up, can you kill him? And shit we did. She seen his dad and didn't even hesitate to trust us with not taking his power, but even made us a gun made of him and said yeah, enjoy your new toy. Same with Drifter, though he may act sketchy, he's kept it real with us. And you know what, I trust Savathuun, I think she really is gonna turn a new leaf against the Witness and may even bring Oryx and help Xivu swap sides before the end. Would be dope to watch the three of them fight the unknown disciple as siblings. If there's one thing I know, Savathuun doesn't want to win as much as she wants the Witness to lose.
Man, to have two flames get transformed into something beyond human... Drifter has had it rough.
There is 1 bit of lore, in the new weapons or armor, I can't remember which, talking about how not understanding or being tricked by Savathun was a tithe for her, reminding us of just how tricky & manipulative she can be.
Kept confidence is a beautiful hand cannon
"Drifter is like a duck"
This line made me laugh so hard this morning.
I trust Eris. She knows what she's doing and I'll always support her!
Thanks to her we killed 3 gods, so of course
I love getting the gambit experience but instead of a gameplay perspective it's from a lore perspective from some other guardian(s). I hope we get more experiences from how in universe guardians experience it, shoot I want to know the everyday people of the destiny universe think of it and is it aired like crucible?
"The assembled Guardians watched him in silence" implies the Guardians are standing by stoically, rather than dancing and making pretty colors in the air
I find the Drifter more relatable about how I feel about highly anticipated movies or video games.
This is a beautiful lore video