It annoys me when people say they are OCD just because they lile things to be neat. You wouldn't say you have cystic fibrosis just because you get a bit puffed out walking up several flights of stairs. Glad to hear that you got help.
Cheers bud, yeah it does get bandied round a bit too easily, I view it as it becomes a disorder when it starts to negatively impact on your life. Still, everyone's got their stuff going on no? 😊
Not even worth mentioning something like that. All tradesmen have our traits and foibles. At least you found your coming and meaning as an electrical educator. Most of us are still scrabbling around, sometimes in the dark to make sense of it all...........;0
True, but it's when it goes beyond that and you're removing fittings to check them again, or rechecking again and again and again. Everyone's experience is different I guess. 🤷
Fitted some of the mk1’s today that the customer provided. Not normally a fan of the integral units, but these were a pleasure to install. Loads of room for the conductors, and good clamping system. But agree with others, gu10’s are better for the end user and me (so I don’t get callbacks!)
After all the Jcc v50’s I’ve had to replace, I’ll never install a “sealed unit down light” ever again. Much better off with a fire rated gu10 down light. It’s all well and good these manufacturers offering a 5 year warranty, but are they going to pay me for swapping over faulty down lights??
@@efixx from a customers standpoint, they’ll have to call an electrician if one of these down lights fails. If a gu10 lamp fails, they can replace it themselves without the added expense
I fitted 32 sealed in one room - dropped the current usage dramatically on the lighting circuit. I left the details of the light fitting at the CU. I hope they can buy one in 5 years time.
Exactly. Light fittings with integrated bulbs are so environmentally unsound. Having to replace the whole unit is bad news for the customer too. Really horrible things to sell.
I first came across dim to warm when I worked in a large hotel that had 100s of candle lamps that would be dimmed in the evenings. I sourced some dim to warm candle filament lamps for them and they looked fab, I think varilight were the only dimmers that worked at the time about 8-9 years ago.
Let me explain something. If you are talking filament bulbs, so not LED and not fluorescent, then absolutely the colour temperature changes with brightness. No special electronics is required and no special bulb. This is a function of the way incandescent bulbs works. The brighter it is, the hotter the filament is and the higher the colour temperature.
@@deang5622 The design brief was filament LEDs so I sourced LEDs with filaments (I used to import LEDs when they were quite new to the market and was at the time very knowledgeable in them, they and I have moved on since) so get your ducks in a row and be 100% sure you are correct before trying to correct someone. If the facts provided in a comment aren't absolute enough to critique some one (In my comment which was on an LED based video I assumed everyone was going to understand that I was talking about them) then ask a question before trying to belittle people.
I would be very interested in then, but sadly they have the same problem that so many others have - A hopeless 60 degree beam angle. Needs to be 100-120 degrees for low ceilings.
I'd be pretty annoyed if an electrician fitted these in my home. What happens when one of them breaks in two years' time and they've changed the model range or gone bust? Surely having a separate bulb that the homeowner can easily replace without messing with wiring is a better system? Seems some are more interested in making their own lives easier and getting repeat business then they are in doing the right thing by their customers.
Easy to deal with. You buy a number of spares and store them. You don't tend to find standard fitting LED bulbs that fit recessed down lighters where the colour temperature changes with brightness. That could be a feature people want that they can't get from standard bulbs.
I stopped fitting anything luceco ages ago when 99% of their floodlights I'd fitted failed! I'd fitted absolutely loads of them and one buy one the drivers started failing 🤬
To be fair they've overhauled and redesigned their floods in recent times, I'm currently making a video on their newest version and it looks pretty solid. Going to properly put it through its paces. Watch this space...
Have the same issue, installed lots of there outside wall lights, they ALL failed. Not from water or anything either, just failed on their own. Extremely annoying.
me too, was proud of the luceco floods details and promises. Returned 3 in a 2 month period to screwfix. Still searching for outside floods I have confidence in to be honest as Its a ballaches refitting them for free, not having ant confidence in the product.
Naive to assume that two different designs of light, one intended for outdoor use and one for indoor use would both have the same failure rate. Research user reviews online before you commit to using a new product. And if there aren't reviews online, then don't use the product until there are. In this way you minimise the risk.
I can’t understand the rationale for integrated downlights. Why not just fit GU10s so the lamps can be easily changed? LEDs do fail eventually (and sometimes prematurely).
@@deang5622 What functionality though? I've yet to see an integrated light do anything a GU10 can't. I have dim-to-warm GU10s. I also have some smart GU10s. And in future I can just swap those around without having to rewire. Wiring in lights seems like a bizarre choice to me. Like welding the wheels onto a car.
It's an irony that "cool" lights are have a higher kelvin value, that is higher temperature, than a "warm" light. Of course they don't literally run at those temperatures, it's more that the light they emit looks similar in colour, at least to human beings), to the light emitted by a "black body" at that temperature. The again, "black body" is another misnomer in that, at that temperature, they aren't, of course, black (but their thermal emission of photons is called "black body radiation").
No. Two colour temperature options but not within the single bulb. Some bathroom lights have a switch on them to change the colour temperature after installation so the user can change the colour. That is not the case here with these down lighters. The changing colour temperature option pertains to a different range of luminaires and the colour temperature adjustment is automatic as the bulb dims. It is not clear from the video if the colour temperature at full brightness is user or electrician (at install time only) configurable.
Essence is single colour option, no frills and no switch, just a great looking downlight in ceiling with easy install features. Mk2 has colour change switch (including Dim2Warm) and power change built into downlight as well as same look and install features.
I hope these are better than they're 'F type' units sold via SF you know the fixy screwy people I've had nothing but problems with them... I do like the like the clear rear :) on these ones ... I just hope the integrated driver dosent suffer from capacitor dryout from being mounted to the led/heatsink leading to the deaded flashing downlight... and the callback.
That's a shame, I thought I would be able to use a dimmer switch to bring them to warm white. Guess I will have to stick to Chinese smart lights until a decent brand can do the same thing
Just think... Life becoming so easy for sparks, then pay justification becomes an issue.. as plug 'n play items being so readily on the market, any Tom, Dick & Harry can now do them! 🤣
No matter the kelvin of the light. I feel that downlighting is terrible and not a nice room to be in if you want to relax. It will never be cozy or comfortable. Can’t stand it. 😀
how come usa, england, australia and most of europe seem to be soooo far behind when it comes to the "elecritian profession" or how i would put it. it truly amazes me
120 lm per w is honestly bad, should clearly do better in 2023, it's a premium type of light and the technology is available to do it, so not doing it is really sad. Better efficiency = less heat= a longer life expectancy for the light
120lm/w includes light out the front with the lens. The LED chips used are a lot higher - up to 160lm/W for the 4 colour CCT version so you can rest assured using latest in LED chip technology.
It annoys me when people say they are OCD just because they lile things to be neat. You wouldn't say you have cystic fibrosis just because you get a bit puffed out walking up several flights of stairs. Glad to hear that you got help.
Cheers bud, yeah it does get bandied round a bit too easily, I view it as it becomes a disorder when it starts to negatively impact on your life. Still, everyone's got their stuff going on no? 😊
@@efixx
_negatively impacting on your life._ But double checking for safety is not that.
Not even worth mentioning something like that. All tradesmen have our traits and foibles. At least you found your coming and meaning as an electrical educator. Most of us are still scrabbling around, sometimes in the dark to make sense of it all...........;0
True, but it's when it goes beyond that and you're removing fittings to check them again, or rechecking again and again and again. Everyone's experience is different I guess. 🤷
True, but it's part of who I am and I know others struggle with it, sometimes it's good to know others have been through similar. 😊
Fitted some of the mk1’s today that the customer provided. Not normally a fan of the integral units, but these were a pleasure to install. Loads of room for the conductors, and good clamping system. But agree with others, gu10’s are better for the end user and me (so I don’t get callbacks!)
I fitted some of these dim 2 warms, after seeing them on an efixx live!
they look so good in person 😎
Yeah, I really like them. 👍
After all the Jcc v50’s I’ve had to replace, I’ll never install a “sealed unit down light” ever again. Much better off with a fire rated gu10 down light. It’s all well and good these manufacturers offering a 5 year warranty, but are they going to pay me for swapping over faulty down lights??
I've installed a lot of the previous version of these fittings in my house and they're still going strong to be fair. 💪
@@efixx from a customers standpoint, they’ll have to call an electrician if one of these down lights fails. If a gu10 lamp fails, they can replace it themselves without the added expense
I fitted 32 sealed in one room - dropped the current usage dramatically on the lighting circuit. I left the details of the light fitting at the CU. I hope they can buy one in 5 years time.
@@johnburns4017 hope you left your contact details too 😂😂
Exactly. Light fittings with integrated bulbs are so environmentally unsound. Having to replace the whole unit is bad news for the customer too. Really horrible things to sell.
I first came across dim to warm when I worked in a large hotel that had 100s of candle lamps that would be dimmed in the evenings.
I sourced some dim to warm candle filament lamps for them and they looked fab, I think varilight were the only dimmers that worked at the time about 8-9 years ago.
Let me explain something.
If you are talking filament bulbs, so not LED and not fluorescent, then absolutely the colour temperature changes with brightness.
No special electronics is required and no special bulb.
This is a function of the way incandescent bulbs works. The brighter it is, the hotter the filament is and the higher the colour temperature.
@@deang5622 The design brief was filament LEDs so I sourced LEDs with filaments (I used to import LEDs when they were quite new to the market and was at the time very knowledgeable in them, they and I have moved on since) so get your ducks in a row and be 100% sure you are correct before trying to correct someone. If the facts provided in a comment aren't absolute enough to critique some one (In my comment which was on an LED based video I assumed everyone was going to understand that I was talking about them) then ask a question before trying to belittle people.
I would be very interested in then, but sadly they have the same problem that so many others have - A hopeless 60 degree beam angle. Needs to be 100-120 degrees for low ceilings.
I’m guessing that Wago won’t be happy, great review Joe 👍🏼👍🏼
I'd be pretty annoyed if an electrician fitted these in my home. What happens when one of them breaks in two years' time and they've changed the model range or gone bust? Surely having a separate bulb that the homeowner can easily replace without messing with wiring is a better system? Seems some are more interested in making their own lives easier and getting repeat business then they are in doing the right thing by their customers.
You have a point.
Easy to deal with. You buy a number of spares and store them.
You don't tend to find standard fitting LED bulbs that fit recessed down lighters where the colour temperature changes with brightness. That could be a feature people want that they can't get from standard bulbs.
I stopped fitting anything luceco ages ago when 99% of their floodlights I'd fitted failed! I'd fitted absolutely loads of them and one buy one the drivers started failing 🤬
To be fair they've overhauled and redesigned their floods in recent times, I'm currently making a video on their newest version and it looks pretty solid. Going to properly put it through its paces. Watch this space...
Have the same issue, installed lots of there outside wall lights, they ALL failed. Not from water or anything either, just failed on their own. Extremely annoying.
me too, was proud of the luceco floods details and promises. Returned 3 in a 2 month period to screwfix. Still searching for outside floods I have confidence in to be honest as Its a ballaches refitting them for free, not having ant confidence in the product.
Naive to assume that two different designs of light, one intended for outdoor use and one for indoor use would both have the same failure rate.
Research user reviews online before you commit to using a new product.
And if there aren't reviews online, then don't use the product until there are.
In this way you minimise the risk.
@@LeighWinspear ansell or collingwood pal, had very limited issues with them and its all I've fitted for the last 5 years
Are there any lights that replace the spring with something else. Im fed up with battling with the spring around the plaster work.
Good point.
I can’t understand the rationale for integrated downlights.
Why not just fit GU10s so the lamps can be easily changed? LEDs do fail eventually (and sometimes prematurely).
So much for reducing electronics to landfill.....
It'll be interesting to see if it goes back to a separate light source in years to come...
Because it makes the manufacturer more money. And they can provide functionality which isn't provided by GU10's.
@@deang5622 What functionality though? I've yet to see an integrated light do anything a GU10 can't. I have dim-to-warm GU10s. I also have some smart GU10s. And in future I can just swap those around without having to rewire.
Wiring in lights seems like a bizarre choice to me. Like welding the wheels onto a car.
Do they not unplug? That’s very annoying for initial verification.
🤫 ua-cam.com/video/V4shQzTLdG8/v-deo.html
What are those strip lights in the ceiling ,looking for something similar.
Just regular LED strips, it's the plaster in channel that makes it. 👍
Looks like a screwfix lap
It's an irony that "cool" lights are have a higher kelvin value, that is higher temperature, than a "warm" light. Of course they don't literally run at those temperatures, it's more that the light they emit looks similar in colour, at least to human beings), to the light emitted by a "black body" at that temperature. The again, "black body" is another misnomer in that, at that temperature, they aren't, of course, black (but their thermal emission of photons is called "black body radiation").
Some excellent points made here... 👏
So the essence fitting you can change the output colour, the M2 you can change the dimming colour. Can't it do both or have I misread?
No. Two colour temperature options but not within the single bulb.
Some bathroom lights have a switch on them to change the colour temperature after installation so the user can change the colour. That is not the case here with these down lighters.
The changing colour temperature option pertains to a different range of luminaires and the colour temperature adjustment is automatic as the bulb dims. It is not clear from the video if the colour temperature at full brightness is user or electrician (at install time only) configurable.
@@deang5622 I need to plug one in with an inline dimmer and find out myself
Essence is single colour option, no frills and no switch, just a great looking downlight in ceiling with easy install features.
Mk2 has colour change switch (including Dim2Warm) and power change built into downlight as well as same look and install features.
I hope these are better than they're 'F type' units sold via SF you know the fixy screwy people I've had nothing but problems with them... I do like the like the clear rear :) on these ones ... I just hope the integrated driver dosent suffer from capacitor dryout from being mounted to the led/heatsink leading to the deaded flashing downlight... and the callback.
Or you can pickup the previous generation luceco downlights that are now cheap on clearance.
Oooh, a Tomy 'My First MFT' . Does it come in colours for grown ups?
😂 Not a fan then?
That's a shame, I thought I would be able to use a dimmer switch to bring them to warm white. Guess I will have to stick to Chinese smart lights until a decent brand can do the same thing
Good feedback. 👍
OCD... Isn't that just being fussy 😂😂
Just think... Life becoming so easy for sparks, then pay justification becomes an issue.. as plug 'n play items being so readily on the market, any Tom, Dick & Harry can now do them! 🤣
Big difference between OCD and Anal retentiveness
Amen to that. 👍
No matter the kelvin of the light. I feel that downlighting is terrible and not a nice room to be in if you want to relax. It will never be cozy or comfortable. Can’t stand it. 😀
how come usa, england, australia and most of europe seem to be soooo far behind when it comes to the "elecritian profession" or how i would put it. it truly amazes me
Where you writing from matey?
@@efixxNot USA for sure.
120 lm per w is honestly bad, should clearly do better in 2023, it's a premium type of light and the technology is available to do it, so not doing it is really sad. Better efficiency = less heat= a longer life expectancy for the light
120lm/w includes light out the front with the lens. The LED chips used are a lot higher - up to 160lm/W for the 4 colour CCT version so you can rest assured using latest in LED chip technology.