TrueNAS Mini X+ Review Answering the Build or Buy Question
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In this video, we take a look at the TrueNAS Mini X+. We see the hardware that makes this system run and what iXsystems did to customize the solution. We also discuss whether those customizations and the pricing make it worthwhile to build or buy a TrueNAS Core (new version of FreeNAS) solution. Finally, we discuss a bit about the future of this platform with TrueNAS Scale.
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00:00 Introduction
01:05 Hardware Overview
11:13 Management and TrueNAS
15:14 Performance
16:18 Build v. Buy
18:16 Future Wildcard
20:16 Wrap-up - Наука та технологія
Patrick and Eric, thanks for the detailed review. My main TrueNAS server died (mainboard) 2 weeks ago and I was planning on building a replacement. checking my requirements (8 bay hot swap, IPMI, desktop unit, 64GB RAM, Plex, 10GBe), my "home" build with new parts came up to about $1800 (no disks). I went to IXSystems site and priced out the same unit (TrueNAS Mini XL 64GB 8 core) for $1688.
Although my home build would be more powerful, my main use case is to have storage for my video conversion projects (VCR tape conversion), system backups (6 PCs and a ProxMox Server), and Plex for media. This TrueNAS build from IXSystems meets the need perfectly.
So thanks for the review, I should get my Mini XL unit in about 2 weeks. :)
The ports labeled ix0 and ix1: i is Intel and x is 10. The driver for Intel 10Gb nics is called 'ixgbe' in Freebsd. The Intel 1Gb driver is 'igbe'
He knows.. He just said it would be a cool marketing thing.
I ended up going the build my own using most of the stuff they use for the E with one exception I wanted to put the 8 core in there cause I had plans to run a couple of VMs and make this more all in one for the few things it needs to do. I enjoy building stuff myself but I would probably recommend for most to just go ahead and get the prebuilt from them, they aren't priced bad at all compared to the build it yourself price. Overall I'm very happy with the little mini nas. Eventually it will be getting a new home as it's a gift for a friend. I Actually have 2 other self built rack mount Freenas units, One is just used to backup my main box and other PCs and then my main freenas server. Not as good as having an offsite backup but since building out the box I use to backup my main server I feel a lot better about being ok in a drive failure situation. On a side note I've been trying to convince my friends that have file servers to make the switch over to freenas for a couple of years. Still haven't convinced them to switch to this instead of just running windows with a bunch of independent disk instead.
Lil Nas X been real quiet since Mini TrueNAS X+ dropped
😂
Fantastic video, Patrick! What a great way to start off the new year!
As a side note, I love open endend PCI Express slots. Every slot should be open ended.
Agreed!
Same. And really why shouldn't they be? With less plastic it should theoretically be cheaper for manufacturers. I've modded some slots but that's obviously not the best idea for production systems.
It makes me wonder what is the point of closing them in when so many cards have connectors with more lanes than necessary.
I'd been wanting to build a NAS/home server for a while and one of these was on the list of considerations. In the end I ended up building my own with a more powerful i3-9100F (ECC supported), Asus P11C-I motherboard, and 16GB of ECC RAM with a total build cost of about $720 USD before storage. It's larger than this (19.2L vs 13.5L), doesn't have hot-swap bays, and might sip more power (a wall power meter also on the way to measure), but I'm still happy with my choice. I can definitely see the appeal in one of these systems, though!
Never heard about TrueNAS Scale and it sounds really promising!
It's still on alpha and we'll see how it will develop.
Thanks for the video!
Since Patric opened the front door I was thinking ohh okay 5x3.5 inch bays and 2x2.5 inch bays so 5x10Tb HDDs in raid 6 and 2x4Tb ssds as cash would be awesome in this little box and around the 15:10 mark it is the exact configuration you guys used. I m proud of myself.
I would buy for home use, because it's small and compact. Yes, there are 4 bay chassis that uses mATX and full-size PSU for custom, but this has 4+2 bays, and the OS is already installed and required setting up the configuration.
Great video, I looked at the last generation one instead of a DIY approach. I think for new hardware, the value is quite good and the size is very nice. This version with the extra bay is super nice and I likely would have been swayed by that. Instead I ended up building a system using a super micro x10-drl-i board, a 2660v3, 64gb of RAM and 8x12tb HGST drives I got new in package for less than half of retail. I had to use used hardware though, had to do a ton of research and my fractal design r5 is nowhere near as compact as this. There is some flexibility though, I have the option to move from 10c all the way to dual 2699v4 for 44c/88t. I am happy with my machine but I think I may get one of these (or the larger one) as a system to mirror offsite and to handle basic media server duties for my parents house.
Very very excited about TrueNAS Scale, hoping it will bring hardware acceleration for Plex since it is linux based, would be super nice to be able to use a used quadro for media encoding instead of the CPU. Also very excited about being able to easily run containers. I am very looking forward to when it is production ready. Curious if they will move completely to a linux based system eventually, makes more sense than having two separate OS to maintain but time will tell.
@asdrubale bisanzio I am all but certain they will give the option to install it instead of TrueNAS. Very exciting. Definitely reasons to stay on BSD but I think it is great that it is OS agnostic middleware now. If someone has done lots of work with bhyve or iocage, it may be easier to stay on BSD but in my home deployment, I will be switching once it is stable. I bought an RPi to learn about containers but to have this, would be incredible, so much is opened up with a Linux code base without giving up the fantastic management interface and other features of FreeNAS that pushed me onto it rather than running Ubuntu with a ZFS array and shares.
The chassis that you use is a Supermicro CSE-721TQ-350B2 Mini tower
I just grabbed my old Haswell based gaming PC and turned it into a TrueNAS server… I just added a 10Gb NIC, a rack mount chassis and five 8TB drives and now we have a super OP NAS at the office that I can easily service.
Just to be clear those are tamper resist stickers mostly for transit to customer. iX has no restrictions on opening systems and indeed has guides for example to install the 10g sfp+ chelsio t520 later if wanted.
Great review! But just a mention here to Silverstone cases, they have some cases that are very similar to this one.
The best part of the tubular lock used in this device is that if you ever lose the key, you can just get a tool that opens and decodes any of them in seconds on amazon :) (bic pens also often work)
@asdrubale bisanzio That one actually requires skill to use though, tubular lock picks are about as easy to use as a real key.
These types of locks are just against small children and honest people.
The chassis that was used here is not a custom chassis it is a Supermicro CSE-721TQ-350B2 Mini tower
@@BelongsToJesus that has 4 3.5" bays and no 2.5" bays. It's clear ix used it as a base, but it is still custom.
@@rpungello I can go with that , not custom made but custom modified.
Thanks for the review. This is great for VMware stuff. I have a Synology and QNAP NAS's. While I like them, they have lots of stuff I really don't use or care about.
@Kirk Eby No native Docker is a deal breaker for me.
If you are small to medium business it would be great for storage server, and some jails for certain services to make the process easier using ZFS file system for purchase for the company.
Do you always tuck your hood pull-strings into the sweater or did you just do that for the video?
Ha! Someone noticed. Just for the video. Otherwise, they end up doing wild things during recording.
He needs a tactilneck
TL;DR: If you're on the fence about buying one of these vs building your own (and you know who you are): buy the thing from iXSystems. I learned the hard way earlier this year!
Having build my own FreeNAS system at the beginning of COVID, I can attest that for light/medium weight home-use cases (nfs and samba shares, plex server, jenkins, grafana+influxdb, and a couple other services that maybe I'm forgetting) buying a prebuilt system is the way to go. Bonus points too because you support the teams that provide this great software for free that make building own systems possible! FreeNAS/TrueNAS is a really truly excellent product.
I don't have my parts list in front of me, but suffice it to say it was spec'ed very similarly to what FreeNAS/TrueNAS systems offer, and in all, I saved about $100 (buying everything new). The amount of time and effort (and stress... and purchasing the wrong thing in a couple of instances!), I netted out with minimal cost savings for something that honestly just isn't quite as good. I ended up with an ASRock Rack Mobo (not as good as a supermicro), and a case that's nowhere near as suitable.
So, it's just my two cents, but if you're on the fence about buying one of these vs building your own (and you know who you are): buy the thing from iXSystems. If you want to build your own for the experience (*completely* valid! I've done it enough times now though that I don't personally feel so attached...), then go ahead and do so. Just know that you probably won't save much money unless you're buying used gear or already have some laying around.
I'd probably get the Mini XL personally, but I'd actually consider buying one of these.
Regarding the new camera/framing, I like it. Looks slightly better, slightly softer (in a good way) and slightly cinematic. I hadn't noticed the texture to the background before this video
You would laugh if you saw how it was setup. It was just in front of the C200 with a slightly wider lens. The C200 was sitting just behind this the entire time.
To my untrained eye feels more blurry than usual.
Before I die I would like to see a standard for cases where everything slots in place and there are no unnecessary cables tangled together, and the existing/necessary ones are just one inch longer than they need to be.
The biggest thing that excites me about TrueNAS SCALE is that it's planned to have integrated Docker support alongside the Linux-base. I have some apps that require .NET to run but Microsoft hasn't released a version for FreeBSD, I could run them in a VM but it's just less convenient when you are only wanting to run a single app in a VM versus the flexibility containers provide.
Also on the cost/build it yourself question. Personally, I can't afford to go at new hardware at all and I'd love to see a rolling set of recommendations and build discussions on here about some "standard" used equipment that can be gotten off Ebay for reasonable prices; BIG BONUS if you did a few tiers of recommendations.
For someone like me that managed to snag a cheap server rack and has a room to hide it in, the cheapest and often best option for my personal builds are used server equipment. Sure it won't always have the latest and greatest stuff but it's still enterprise grade equipment and is made to last. It's hard to justify spending $700 on a new 5-bay NAS, when I can spend less on a 12-bay Dell/HP server.
I run my own Artifact server (Nexus) for Maven and an internal Docker Registry. On my 7 year old Synology I just pull from Dockerhub and mount the data folder in the container to a folder on the host. On my main machine I build Docker image (Java webservices) and then deploy them to try them out. Really neat.
Well, if World of Warcraft taught me anything in my 20's - "Time is money, friend".
its always stuck in my head
I have my own home built TrueNas with, 4TB HDD, 8GB RAM and I'm very happy 😁 with it...
While the Mini X loooks good for a NAS, specially with the 10GBit Network, I did a custom build NAS (10GBit Mainboard, R5 3600, 32GB RAM) for myself as home usage.
It wasn't much cheaper, but I learned a lot by building and installing it.
would love to see your setup. you got a link or setup on pcpartpicker?
“This system has 64gb ram which is enough”
*ZFS would like to know your location *
LOL!
Interesting, this is a great option for a lot of people I think.
The new camera has a soft look to it. Maybe a touch out of focus?
My first impression as well
Focus was on, but using a very shallow depth of field. I will likely change that for the next one.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo shallow DOF is grossly overrated. When I was doing portrait photography I generally used f/3.5 to get the entire face in good focus, despite having a f/1.4 lens.
Did this with Supermicro M11SDV-8C+-LN4F an AMD EPYC 3251 SoC 8 core/16 thread @ 55W. 4 Ethernet 1GB ports plus one IPMI. It has an M.2 NVME SSD slot. I use an LSI RAID 8-way card flashed to IT mode JBOD. Case from Norco ITX-S8 with room for a 2.5" SSD mounted inside case. Currently running Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS and running ZFS with Ubuntu LXD containers (bare metal) as well as Microk8s (lightweight Kubernetes). There are downsides to building this yourself. It is more expensive. There are glitches that I've encountered that could possibly be fixed by firmware updates not available from Supermicro or LSI / Broadcom. The IX Systems attention to detail may be useful and worth the costs. For me, a SSH interface plus IPMI is completely fine; I don't need a GUI management interface. It makes for a very nice home lab that also runs plenty of useful home servers.
I'd like to know your opinion of the ICDock 24x2.5 inch drive hot swap enclosure. I have a 16 bay version in a small portable MATX 'server', but i feel like its not for most people
Once upon a time I was in the I can build that camp, I am older and lazier now, and while it is still true I could build that, I do not want to build it, or warranty it. Secondly, we like screws, they are good and wonderful things that keep the, let's call them tech curious, from opening things better left closed.
My biggest issue with network attached storage of any type is backing up my data off site. If I put the TruNAS Mini X to use It would cost me an arm and a leg to back up 75 terabytes (5x15 TB drives)of data off site. The biggest reason is if you run linux or BSD in the case of TrueNAS, they assume you are running giant file servers and charge you accordingly. If I put those same 5 hard drives in my desktop computer running windows 10 or MacOs, my $6.00 a month Backblaze account will keep my computer backed up no matter how many drives I put in it. For this reason,
I built my workstation in a 4u rackmount chassis with 20 bays. One box and it costs me $6.00 a month no matter how many drives I put in it.
This beats Synology's lineup on all fronts except for power and noise. Those will be important to me in my current house, so an all passive/water/ssd build is probably better for me, though expensive. If I didn't have a Synology already I would have bought this.
knowing that this is FreeBSD based, screws should be optimized in a next 1 to 3 years. You know, traditions
Great review 🙂 The prices may be competitive in US but not so much in Australia unfortunately. Usually the case with most things ☹️
If I were to purchase this exact model from iXSystems it would cost me $1439 USD incl. shipping, which is roughly $2160 AUD after import fees and Aussie GST.
I can easily beat that price sourcing the same board from Amazon $500, dual 10Gb SFP from eBay $150, Silverstone RM21-308, rack rails, spare bits (fan, etc), memory and PS from local shop for $500, $70, $130, $350 and $50 respectively. For a total of $1750 AUD. Most of the pricing estimates, except the board, come from my recent lab upgrade and hopefully still accurate.
The difference can go towards drives instead. Also I don't have to worry about the big shipping cost and extended unavailability of a system if something goes wrong with the unit within warranty period.
Cheers,
Fara
Death and taxes or Death by taxes? 😃
@@kennethdarlington I am a Canadian living in Aus for the past 6 years, def won't complain about taxes in Australia! Jokes aside I think it's a good thing that the government is enforcing GST and import fees on overseas purchase, especially for those over $1000 bucks. It does help the local shops and economy, otherwise people will always go for the cheaper option.
@@faranooshahmadzadagan8762 it's good when you have local manufacturing or assembly and supporting laws and taxation for them (or incentives for entrepreneurs to startup). Not so good when your only option is import that only adding 30%+ to goods price without any reasonable chance to get your local NAS-builder rise up etc.
@@kennethdarlington 100% Agreed!
I still like idea of going to buy NAS (Warranty on one place) instead of DIY, but I have bumped into "SuperChassis 721TQ-350B2" which pretty much reminded me of showed custom case here.
The burden of 6 screws… - Oh! The tragedy of it all!
Realistically, how many times in the life of such a device would you anticipate pulling the motherboard?
I'm curious - can you use any OS on it? Or is it somehow tied to only using TrueNAS core?
We did not try any OS, but we had it running Ubuntu.
I think these systems are definitely worth the price if you can afford them. However, it’s hard to beat an old server on eBay for $130 when you’re a student XD.
Well... You can buy a raspberi pi and run it with any usb drives...
I wanted to run TrueNAS so I needed something that supported ZFS
@@lackshanrama I'm coding a server that just can work just like it but spreads files across multiple drives file by file... the downside is that if you lose a drive, you lose some part of your data...
Just be sure to check power and noise on those old servers.
@@shapelessed I think you can solve that by using GlusterFS and a bunch of PIs. Although I’m curious about your project. Mind posting a link?
I think what "I can build one for less" often means is that they have some spare parts that can be used, even if it might end up costing more in the long run.
@Bobby Rubarb I don't think your setup is a fair comparison, as DD-WRT isn't really the same as TrueNAS with 64 gigs of RAM. For a better comparison I'd want x64 hardware with directly connected drives. Probably $300-400.
And to Kian's point, what happens when your DD-WRT system stops working? With this system you can easily get console access with remote KVM. With your router you probably need to take it apart and add a serial port adapter to get console access. If time is money that's going to hurt.
How does this stack up compared to the HP Gen 10 Plus? Seems like it's a few more drives but otherwise everything else is a step down.
Since the early adoption of ZFS, I've understood that ZFS should be implemented with an even number of drives, in saying this I would of thought a 6x3.5 and 2x2.5 combo would have been a more ideal solution. So why the odd 5x3.5?
maybe for hot spare disk
Wish the case manufacture Supermicro or whoever releases this chassis sometime a full height pcie card would be nice.
at 9.15 you said the fan gives better cooling to the ssd it's self ? Didn't you mean cpu ?
I see that was a bit hard to hear. I am saying "on the SoC itself"
The price doesn't seem too bad for what you get. If it had an EPYC or Ryzen CPU then I would be more interested.
I was just looking into this machine before I saw the video. I need a NAS that will serve as a VPN server, file server, 4k plex server with a lot of storage, and probably steam cache. I doubt I need 32 GB ECC ram for this. I was comparing this device to a parts list that I put together that had 16GB non-ECC Ram and a Ryzen 3600 on the Asrock Rack X470D4U2-2T, which provides the 10Gbps networking and also has an IPMI port. I really don't know much about NAS in general, as my current solution is a raspberry Pi 4 with a quad sata hat, 4x 1.5TB SSDs, and an SMB+ share set up to access the files over the network. Could anyone give me some advice on whether I should go with the more expensive TrueNas system? If not, I was planning to run UnRaid on my DIY system, is there any performance or reliability benefit from TrueNAS Core? (I don't care too much about ease of use).
Where to buy these Servers? If i search for truenas i can only find the Software, but no Hardware. Looking for a 6-8 bay zfs server
The cable connector in front of the Chelsio card seems not well inserted...
Non-zero chance that was us testing the system apart a few times for the review
I'm only waiting for ZFS to be able to expand vdevs to move from Windows Storage Spaces to TrueNAS
You will be waiting a.long time. If it was not a very difficult problem it would be done already. Don't think it's even on the roadmap of OpenZFS.
TrueNAS Scale sounds rad. What do you think about using these devices to build local community-oriented social networks?
Can I make a nas with a old 1800x cpu thing is I never see builds with a card in it is that possible? Since it’s not a apu?
Personally, I would use an APU. The lower power Ryzen chips were more efficient and when something goes wrong, you will want to be able to hook up a display and keyboard.
The biggest benefit for me for building your own is upgradability
Don't work well now, IMHO. In 3 to 5 years there won't be suitable and cost effective hardware to upgrade realistically.
I'm exactly in the situation that he described. Built my system 3 years ago, now one disk failed. Too bad that I didn't label them...
We just call them learning moments :-) Another big one is to ensure labels match the UI. The first labels I made 10+ years ago for drives had different numbers on the drive versus the NAS UI so they were effectively useless.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yeah. As soon as I find the culprit I will label them all ;)
@@samuelschwager Truenas Will give you the serialnumber of the disk so no need for labeling. Also the order of disks is no issue for ZFS. So labeling disks is not needed. Just try it. reorder your disks and it Will keep working . Love it.
I wonder when companies are going to start using SSD's or NVMe drives for their NAS servers. It would take up so much less space and use so much less energy. Sure, it probably won't hold as much data at first, but it would sure drive up development and drive down prices.
The thing is, 3.5inch high capacity ssd's do exist, and while they're many times faster and denser than hard drives, they're also several orders of magnitude more expensive.
A unit like this will probably on 24x7, so power consumption is a factor. Any comment on power reqts buy Vs build. Related - can the server run down disks if it is idle? - real world a lot of home servers will have many idle hours each day
Freenas/truenas has configurable spin down timers for each disk. With similar parts I doubt you could do any better, and may do worse if you don't have every BIOS setting correct.
For reference, I have a 2-bay Intel-based QNAP NAS with 2x12TB 3.5" disks consuming about 20W. The disks never spin down though, there's always something accessing them (system background tasks such as logging etc.)
14:23 Am I the only one who's a little concerned to see the hard drives running at 50 degrees here? Depending on the variant of drives (there are a few WD Red options, and I couldn't see which ones these were specifically) the max operating temperature is probably up to around 65-70 degrees, so there's not a lot of headroom there, especially if the testing was done in an air conditioned studio. I wonder how this would cope if you deployed it in an an environment with...sub-optimal cooling and a year or two of dust accumulation.
I don't think those stickers are meant to influence warranty (they have no legal standing anyway), but to give the owner an indication that someone has been in the case. A typical user might never open the case up.
Do you know what kind of SLOG drive is installed in this unit? Is it some Optane drive or something else?
It's sold diskless. Pick any sata ssd you choose. There's a tiny module on the motherboard that's just for the OS.
@@thewheelieguy I'm pretty sure that when you do the configuration on the TrueNAS website to purchase you can pick the SLOG device to be installed. I couldn't find any info what drive they use for that purpose.
@@jester667 Ok, I see the website has changed, you used to specify brand and model of the ssds and now they have just generic capacities. You can tell by they are data center drives by the sizes, but not anything more.
On iX HW vs. Custom: Definately go with iX for business use as all the work is done for you and you get tested warrantied HW. For home use, you might save a few bucks with your own setup.
I’ve been trying truenas core over the last few weeks on a Dell desktop machine with USb drives. It’s quite flakey, falls over at times and the plugins aren’t very stable (nextcloud).
You're doing it wrong. I have freenas and now truenas in business production for years now, first one was a custom build for under $600 that is still running today.
@@rollover36 How am I doing it wrong?
I thought atom CPUs were supposed to be low power? Pulling 89W at idle seems a bit high. Could just get an FX-8350 and undervolt it and get similar numbers. Add a sata conroller card and NIC and you got yourself something for around $200-250 total system cost minus HDD. I wouldn't do that as i would like to have something that would be lower power for something that is on all the time.
That is running, in FreeNAS with 10Gbase-T linked, a 10GbE SFP+ NIC, 5x 3.5" drives, 2x 2.5" SSDs, and a SATA DOM. Even the BMC takes 4-5W which is included in there. 89W is very reasonable for that configuration.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Maybe to save money should TrueNAS just go ARM low powered chips!
@@terryrodbourn2793 Doing that does not help much in this case. A lot of the power is in the DIMMs/ drives/ fans. Arm needs a good option between Raspberry Pi's and Ampere Altras for this market. There are options out there, but none are really great at this point.
Do you find read/write cache's necessary with so much RAM?
RAM is the #1 thing I run out of, usually well before CPU or disk space. Especially with TrueNAS Scale coming in
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Are you saying a read and/or write cache would be more important with Scale? Im thinking about read cache drive.
with only 5 drives, a normal pc case with internals of choice looks like a more competitive solution. It's not like you need to hot-swap failed drives more often than once per 2 years.
Most normal PC cases are also much larger, especially the ones which can take 5 drives. I agree hotswap bays usually aren't needed for enthusiasts (especially since I'm comfortable hotplugging internal drives) but for a business environment it's different. If you're an MSP placing these on your customers' premises it lets them swap drives by themselves without you making a trip out yourself. Even for home use, you can have a housemate change a drive if you're out of town.
The only thing i do not like with these boxes , using a cpu from 2017. Not only for performance but for much less power draw that woud be better tu use the new Aton C5000 cpus.
That lock can be opened in seconds with a tubular lock pick / impressioning tool.
Someone has been watching lpl 🤣
@@ClintChance True 😁
Who needs a lock pick, I can open it with a mini-crowbar. The steel in PC cases isn't that robust. Although that door looks to be plastic.
@@killer2600 Why bother with either? Just undo the thumbscrews on the back and slide off the covers.
VGA port in this day and age? Wouldn’t hurt to have a display or a HDMI port 🤌🤌
Most of the data center KVMs and servers are all VGA based.
So I can't install TrueNAS Scale on TrueNAS Mini X?
It funny that this type of thing is a " multi function" back up which as a multi function takes that back up away... If we had a back up system that you use all the time as a desk top (VM) or Machine server or Storage its not a Back up. Back up is low use, Storage is a different matter but it is NOT back up.
I used a old HPe Microsever as a 5 bay hotswap DMS (synology box) Boots from USB, holds 16Tb drives and also takes 16tb Ram. that costs a lot less, but then that not new, but the HP system could be clustered ( proxmox) to be a extendable storage solution and you can always buy the new version (£400). But then wouldn't the better option be a Sas card and Das box?
My Sas/Das is 15 bays Off server and a additional 8 on server. and with 5.8GBs its a better option than some of these storage solutions.
I am not a fan on freenas/truenas. I think the "set out" is too geek and overly complicated without a simplified core.
Case, well thats the BIG issue for self build with the main case design being two hidden bays, and no optical, but you can find some with 2ODD spaces, which is near useless.
Ive a "eatax" which gives me 14 bays with access. but full tower systems arent really a "small business" look to them, but a retro gateway 2000 case can be expanded :)
there are some 3:4 bays, I picked up a used one for £15, but that was a rare opertunity. there around 130, without a back plane. But that said the ML370 backplane is available new for around 70, which could be used with the cage in some bays.....
BUT the further we go the more a pile of turd it looks... which is why a "small space" the HP server was ideal and had more ability..... the rest is a DAS via the server which is via 10G x2
They look stupid in a rack on a shelf, but they look good on office furniture...a Rack Das would not look good on a office table, unless its hot and the fans facing you..
Will this run Roon Core.
For home - probably overkill. For small business ~$700 unit - norm. For small/medium - 2x 10Gbit unit - norm.
To me, I'd get a ryzen system at this price. Specially with that power usage.. I was hoping for closer to 25w load
Ive moded a HPE mircoserver, its now 5 bays and idle 15watts load 50. I don't have a 10Gbe in it though... hardware wise is easy, casing it really is the issue
@@guywhoknows specs please?
@@Airbag888 microserver n40l
4:12 yeah man.... A blue Fan Just wouldn't be able to handle it.
without hba lsi card?
I would rather build it myself. 4-Core, 16GB for $898 without any drives is just too expensive.
If this was a $1000+ and included the drives, it would be great. It is too pricey if you ask me. There are other, perhaps lesser, solutions on the market that are often half the price. For the money you save you could buy the drives you need.
This system has way too much power and power draw to only serve NAS duty. With those specs, I would have this be a virtualization host with Proxmox and have TrueNAS Core as a VM.
With dual 10Gbit and additional 2x network unit?
Did you color grade the video 📷 ?
This is C70 with the rec.709 LUT applied directly in-camera. I just wanted to see what it looks like without big tweaking. I somewhat like the look actually.
Trying to keep speeding up the workflow.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo ahhh that's really cool. Nice review btw 👍
@@clausdk6299 Thanks! Yea part of the C70 is that it can record in 4K 4:2:2 DCI (so I get a bit of room to adjust framing), can do the in-camera rec.709 LUT, and can create a proxy on a second SD card. It may not seem like a lot, but with the C200 making a proxy (if not shooting RAW) often took 15-20 min of transcoding time even using a TR 3970X and a Titan RTX. I know it does not sound like much, but saving 15 min here and there adds up.
The warranty stickers have no legal value in europe now, they have been voted out, at least :)
I think i am falling more and more into the synology camp. You can get an 8 bay like the synology 1821+ that is smaller than this. Not sure about atoms vs the ryzen of the synology of course. But given that the Atom is 50÷ faster than the j4125 in the smaller synology units and the ryzen of the 1621 and 1821 units is 50% faster than those i would guess they are roughly equally powered. Zfs is cool but it uses a lot of resources and synologys btrfs plus mdma raid plus shr approach seems to solve most of the same problems with much smaller ram needs and some additional flexibility in drive sizes. I mean in the end you are stuck with synology but here it's truenas so... anyhow don't want to downplay this system i just am quite astonished how good the buy option is in 2020. You can do a lot of optimizations if you push out hundreds of thousands of something.
It's maybe more expensive to build exactly the same system, but it's much cheaper to build a system which is more powerful while having less power consumption (at least at idle).
But the case is nice tho
As for RAM amounts, ZFS loves RAM, the more the better.
That chassis is not custom-made it is a Supermicro CSE-721TQ-350B2 Mini tower
Truenas is telling you the serialnumber of the failing disk, labeling is not needed. Good to know:Also the order of disks doesn’t care in Truenas.
can i made a minecarft server on it?
I do on my Synology. I just pull a Docker image of choice from Dockerhub. Cannot do that with TrueNAS Core :( I also run build servers, databases etc etc. Well done Synology on that one.
If you want to talk about the build vs buy price comparison then let's talk about it fully. The fact that it costs $515 to buy the motherboard in this unit separately is not a point in favour of buying as opposed to building, like you seem to make out. It's a point in favour of building your own, if anything!
Why should I pay some astronomical fee for a pre-built unit when it locks me into buying a $515 motherboard? For a NAS! A small NAS like this which is designed to be used in the home or in a small business environment does not need a $515 motherboard. And even if it did need a $515 motherboard, that is not the board I would choose to spend my $515 on, that's for sure.
It is a major point in favour of self-building that you can choose your own components. You could go out and get an AM4 motherboard, a pretty kick-ass Ryzen APU (which will be much more powerful than the CPU in that thing), 64GB of RAM, a power supply, and a nice case like a Fractal Design Node 804 all for less than the cost of this motherboard alone.
Yes, if you insist on building your own unit with all the exact same model of parts which has been used in the pre-built then it may not be worth it, but that's not the full story. It's not the point of self-builds either.
16:19 Build vs Buy
I run multiple Docker containers on my 7 year old Synology. Gutted to find that they will not run in TrueNAS :(
14:50 I think you meant to say "when a drive fails", not "if a drive fails"
17:05 umm that's Not the only mobo you can buy new ,you know that,right?
Never pay new prices, unless on sale. Build or buy used/refurbished and save tons.
I put together a NAS with the previous model of this case, that was on sale, plus an Intel J4105 for $200 (plus $60 for 12GB RAM and $6 for the wiring adapter for the on/off button and the on/hdd lights).
Silent and working 24x7 for the last 3 years.
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I'm not so rich to buy a NAS server so I'm coding my own solution that's basically an integrated HTTPS/WSS that spreads/reads files across a cluster of drives... All of that written in JavaScript, Python and C++... But mostly JavaScript...
The web server is taking care of managing files, choosing the right drive to save them on and then read them all back if needed... Unlike your server, it also works with USB drives... Supports hotswap and so on...
It's currently deployed on a Raspbery PI 4 (the 2GB variant)
It only needs NodeJS as a runtime and works pretty much on everything that can run Node...
What about nextcloud??
@@-argih I prefer something over which I have 100% control
Also a I'm coding an API that will allow me to load addons for both the backend and frontend on the fly, so yet another thing you won't find in nextcloud
@@shapelessed last I heard nextcloud is opensource ?
Nothing against you building your own solution tho!
@@LKRaider Again, building something yourself gets you all the flexibility you want. I can code a standalone video player, music player, PDF editor and so on just for my server. Where different solutions often require some proprietary hardware or software to work, my server only needs a JavaScript runtime which takes 30s to install on 90% of linux distros, and additional C++ runtime if you wanna run it on Windows (Let's be honest nobody will use windows for a file server that would be at least stupid)
I would find it hard not to take a few hard drives if a company has thousands.
Wow...You have GOT to change that lens.
The depth of field is way WAY to low for a video like this.
Build every time and have some fun with it! I have done many, check out my builds if you want... Good video dude!
Me happily having 3GB of ram with freenas the entire setup was like 70$ 2x 640GB hdd intel atom D525
That lock is NOT security. They can be opened by an 8 year old with 10 minutes of instruction (This is a literal statement. Not hyperbole.)
You can't treat those locks as ANYTHING other than "accident prevention". They will stop someone from accidently pulling drives from the wrong cabinet. That is it.
*TAMPER RESISTANT*
🤣 Man I'd love to meet the idiot/MBA who thought those stickers were a good idea.
You lost me at Atom C3*** ☹️
I actually think the Atom C3000 series is perfect for this type of box.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I disagree. There was a lot of credibility lost due to the flaw in the previous generation. Then there is the use case for a box like this, it's prosumer/soho. For that market it is not just going to be used for storage management, users will want more horsepower to run docker containers and "apps" like Plex. Boxes like those should have a Xeon D or equivalent or at least something like a Pentium series with onboard gpu
Too bad the chassis is so ugly, would never have it visible at home, maybe hidden in the dungeo.. I mean basement.
I disagree, if you compare this to other DIY solutions it’s much better looking... I also think it looks better than most tower/mini chassis outside of synology
But synology doesn’t have ZFS xd
If you were in the market for a NAS chassis like myself right now you would probably be regretting these words. There is nothing out there that is as good as this (and as good looking as this) in this form factor. Ablecom has a home run with these units, the 4 bay, this 5-bay and the 8-bay but they are at the moment impossible to buy retail. I am really curious, apart from Supermicro and the 4 bay version, who else is buying these in bulk so that Ablecom is actually making them? I desperately need a CS-T80 and I can't find one anywhere. I can't find this 5 bay either and although it used to be the case that the 4 bay was mildly available (had two) there are impossible to find nowadays as well.