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  • @DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt
    @DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt 10 місяців тому +100

    Holy cow. They saw mikrotiks naming scheme and said hold my beer.

  • @bennetb01
    @bennetb01 10 місяців тому +178

    If you are reviewing a managed switch please spend a bit more time on the management. I am trying to scrub through to see if SNMP is supported and I am still not sure.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +75

      Good point.

    • @annebokma4637
      @annebokma4637 10 місяців тому +40

      ​@@ServeTheHomeVideoalso tell if SNMP is supported already 😂

    • @PhillyGunson
      @PhillyGunson 10 місяців тому +60

      "Good point" lol get wrecked

    • @hquest
      @hquest 10 місяців тому +21

      From the web interface speedrun @ 13:17, there is no SNMP mention in any of the pages Patrick flies by. As I hardly believe there is CLI configuration on this unit, your answer would be "no SNMP support".

    • @zekicay
      @zekicay 10 місяців тому +4

      I have a similar switch that from the looks of it has the same web ui, and I don't see any mention of SNMP.

  • @blademan7671
    @blademan7671 10 місяців тому +100

    “Dumb” label is so much more brilliant than “unmanaged.” Props to Hasivo. That’s what we all call them anyway, since that uses less syllables.

    • @chesshooligan1282
      @chesshooligan1282 10 місяців тому +6

      Fewer syllables.

    • @zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
      @zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 10 місяців тому +3

      @serenity1378 Studies have shown, grammar nasties are often unpleasant people IRL too. That's what I think of every time I see someone correcting comment section grammar.

    • @blarghblargh
      @blarghblargh 10 місяців тому +3

      @tsrqponmlkh as an unpleasant person and a sometimes grammar nasty, I can corroborate this report.
      Apparently "fewer" is a correct word to use, but the idea that "less" is incorrect is under debate.
      It's interesting, but also not worth correcting someone over. We all understand both uses of "less", regardless of the final rule (which may never come).

    • @thatbox
      @thatbox 10 місяців тому +8

      ​@@chesshooligan1282yeah but less is fewer syllables

    • @bjornroesbeke
      @bjornroesbeke 10 місяців тому +1

      @@blarghblargh English speaking people ought to learn simple rules, such as "is it countable?".
      In this case, yes it is, thus "fewer" is the correct word.
      - An unpleasant person IRL

  • @ffsireallydontcare
    @ffsireallydontcare 10 місяців тому +22

    6:37 Whoa! The Matrix's render engine is really struggling with those angled vents in the chassis!

  • @stephenl.154
    @stephenl.154 10 місяців тому +13

    I like that the toggle has "Dumb". They were going to put Stuuupid, but i guess they decided it would take too much space 😅

  • @Lagittaja
    @Lagittaja 10 місяців тому +18

    That's a pretty impressive list of features considering the price. I'm going to have to consider buying one.

  • @cszulu2000
    @cszulu2000 10 місяців тому +10

    How do you scan and verify there is no malware on Chinese switches? Maybe you can do a co host with a security expert.

  • @blunden2
    @blunden2 10 місяців тому +28

    @ServeTheHome Regarding the MAC, it might be worth checking if this management UI also has the hidden factory menu at /system_set.html like the older Hasivo switch you reviewed. If it does, that menu allows you to change the default IP, MAC, etc.

    • @mstratforduk
      @mstratforduk 10 місяців тому

      I tried this on my PoE model I just received today, that just renders a blank page here.

    • @mstratforduk
      @mstratforduk 10 місяців тому

      However, my model does have a different MAC address to the one in this video screenshot at 13:17, so sounds like they fixed this.

  • @QualityDoggo
    @QualityDoggo 10 місяців тому +2

    Great to see discussion of these things; hard to know if they're any good when you have never heard of the brand!

  • @Honk_Honk_Clown_World
    @Honk_Honk_Clown_World 10 місяців тому +7

    I bought the hassivo 8 port 10gbe managed switch based on your recommendation. What I've found is that after a couple of months, the web management website eventually goes down and the firmware resets to stock settings. Performance is good, but i run unraid and windows with jumbo frames, but every couple months, it just stops working because the switch reset to stock settings of no jumbo frames. I also am not able to reach the web management site until I reset the firmware on the switch. Just a heads up to others looking for hassivo switches.

    • @YKSGuy
      @YKSGuy 10 місяців тому +2

      Ya this is why these dirt cheap aliexpress options really need a junk / not junk rating based on how many problems you see reported in STH forums etc. ITS SO CHEAP is not the only thing we should be concerned with.

    • @vencdee
      @vencdee 10 місяців тому

      Can it be caused by instable electricity like voltage surge?
      Alos can the web settings be saved into file to be restored later?
      What about changing MAC addresses (or ending part of the address).

    • @bjornroesbeke
      @bjornroesbeke 10 місяців тому +2

      As i've learned from working with microcontrollers in a couple of hobby projects, perhaps it's a runtime counter that has overflowed?
      Try to do a periodic check for valid HTTP responses, and you may possibly find out that it crashes at the same uptime, every time.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      Did you confirm that the settings survived a power cycle before this happened? In other words, that the running config in RAM was actually copied to the bootup config in flash? If not, that could explain the resetting after the crash.
      I would make a post on the STH forum about it in the hope that people can help you troubleshoot the issue. 🙂

  • @darknessblades
    @darknessblades 10 місяців тому +14

    One thing I would like is for them to add a GLOBAL save settings button, since as it looks now you don't know if settings are saved or not [Some managed switches/access points require you to save after each change when moving between pages].

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +3

      Good point.

    • @darknessblades
      @darknessblades 10 місяців тому

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Have also seen that its currently 130 euro's. {Might be because there is no active sale at the moment, which will cause prices to be their INFLATED prices, instead of the actual price}
      Maybe the seller/Manufacturer can add it to a firmware update.
      Since most "reputable" sellers are open to suggestions on how to improve their products.
      Based on the reviews there are also issues with each unit having the same MAC address meaning its impossible to use multiple in the same network, or use it as a MODEM.
      So this is another fix they need to implement as well
      ---------
      {Avatto is a good example, they even gave the TUYA cluster spec [for a thermostat panel] when I requested it, in order to use with Home-assistant, as they originally claimed it worked under ZHA when asked, but it did not properly work without the correct cluster info for a custom quirk-file}
      ----------

  • @FlaxTheSeedOne
    @FlaxTheSeedOne 10 місяців тому +1

    Finnally the switch I wanted. Great to plugin my 2.5g APs, and have them trunked for different SSIDs. Also nice to have the 10g Uplink to the rest of the network.

  • @MarcH0lland
    @MarcH0lland 5 місяців тому +1

    i got one and something similar. Connecting the switches via a TP-link sfp+ rj45 10Gb to the 10Gb/s port works like a charm. When connecting thru a fiber cable the SFP+ port doesnt do anything. Maybe the transceivers are not the right modules. still investigating the issue.
    But for a low cost switch these are awesome

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  5 місяців тому

      Interesting. We used this with a cheap SR optic earlier this week

  • @chrislambe400
    @chrislambe400 10 місяців тому +4

    I got some rubber feet once from China There was so much plasticiser in them that they turned into sticky goo after two years.

    • @metatechnologist
      @metatechnologist 10 місяців тому

      They either turn into sticky goo or hack you and steal all your data! One of those two.

  • @thatLion01
    @thatLion01 10 місяців тому +8

    I really enjoy opening UA-cam app and seeing cheap amazing switch review 😊

  • @TechnoMageB5
    @TechnoMageB5 10 місяців тому +2

    14:15 - 14:35 "...you're going to have issues."
    Understatement of the year, right there.
    The HQ at the company I worked for, one network occupied 2 floors. The idea of 2 of these on opposite ends of my network, the fallout that would result, and the confusion not knowing this was the root cause...
    Yes, when the building was built out many years ago, they made 2 ports per desk, and sometimes some desks needed more. That's when small switches like this, with the normal unique hardware addresses, came in handy.

  • @techie163
    @techie163 10 місяців тому +4

    I'd be interested in seeing a RTL838x switch with Openwrt installed instead of the default firmware

  • @blunden2
    @blunden2 10 місяців тому +9

    Hasivo also has a version with 2 SFP+ ports on their website, but not on their store. Other brands sell it though.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +4

      We have reviewed a ton of the 4x 2.5GbE and two SFP+ versions in our round-ups.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому +4

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo I know. I own one of them actually (same hardware as the YuanLey/Davuaz but branded HiSource). 😀
      Still, I just wanted to mention it in case someone wants this exact managed PoE switch, but with an extra SFP+ port instead of the 10GBase-T port.
      Btw. it would be nice if you could check if this switch has the same hidden /system_set.html page where you can modify the factory settings (including default IP and MAC address) as the older 5 + 2 port Hasivo switch?

  • @CatalystReaction
    @CatalystReaction 10 місяців тому +1

    cute switch that can power a POE ap and a few clients :D nice to see some unique products!

  • @joe_ferreira
    @joe_ferreira 10 місяців тому +4

    I would love to see more Mikrotik content. Thanks for this alternative offering.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +5

      Targeting the next MikroTik video on March 7 so a bit over a week from now

    • @joe_ferreira
      @joe_ferreira 10 місяців тому +1

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo awesome!

  • @ikjadoon
    @ikjadoon 10 місяців тому +8

    The MokerLink variant of this switch (2G04210GSMX) only has a 50 Gbps backplane, so it's not quite line rate (which would be 60 Gbps). Do these benchmarks show the same thing with Hasivo? ~25 Gbps duplex → 50 Gbps combined? Or am I not reading that chart right?

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      Other switches using the RTL8372 switch chip state a 60 Gbps switching capacity. It would probably be best to check the official datasheet.

    • @ikjadoon
      @ikjadoon 10 місяців тому

      @@blunden2That's actually what confused me, as even Mokerlink's other similar switches claim 60 Gbps and even MokerLink's page is contradictory: some places it writes 60 Gbps and other areas 50 Gbps.
      I emailed them last week and they confirmed the switch is only 50 Gbps and the 60 Gbps is a typo. I asked if there is an equivalent 60 Gbps model and this was their reply:
      "We won't be releasing a 60Gbps version in the future, but we think that this version will meet the needs of most users. "
      I don't know why / how this switch design has been singled out for non-line-rate perf, but it surprised me.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      @@ikjadoon Weird. Not sure I necessarily trust them since they are simply in the business of rebranding Hasivo switches, they don't actually develop anything themselves as far as I can tell.
      On the other hand, I don't own this particular switch so I can't refute it either. If it is true, that's certainly a downside.

  • @collectorguy3919
    @collectorguy3919 10 місяців тому +4

    The Dumb / Web switch is clever because it reduces attack surface, especially as the switch ages and exploits become trivial. It might just turn the remote admin on/off, so it may retain it's managed settings in Dumb mode even after you power cycle?

    • @vencdee
      @vencdee 10 місяців тому +1

      Good question. Or it just resets all settings.

    • @jada1173
      @jada1173 10 місяців тому

      ​@@vencdeemaking it a "dumb" switch i obviously consider it losing all settings, or it isn't dumb anymore.

  • @LokiDaFerret
    @LokiDaFerret 10 місяців тому +3

    Indeed it is a key lesson learnt that if you need POE you should buy the POE version. Genius!! 😂🤣

  • @Archaeopterx
    @Archaeopterx 9 місяців тому

    One thing that might be worth testing on these things would be SFP+ DACs. Ordered 3 of them a few months back only to realise they don't play well with copper-based DACs, at least.
    Found this review after I had already ordered these for my second attempt to move to 2.5G with 10G connecting the switches themselves, here's hoping for not other return lol.

  • @Ryne785
    @Ryne785 10 місяців тому +3

    I current have two of these switches. I did not have the same MAC address issue as the user on AliExpress reported. Mine showed up with two separate MAC addresses and I have set static IPs managed by my DHCP server and I can access both without issues.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому

      This is likely something that would be fixed over time.

    • @Ryne785
      @Ryne785 10 місяців тому +4

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo It seems like it is fixed with FW V1.8 or higher. My firmware date is Nov 23 2023

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      Thanks for confirming. 😀
      I don't know why the Hasivo support staff won't let the user who gave it 2 stars on the AliExpress listing for that exact reason know that. Especially since multiple people have marked that review as "useful", likely affecting sales.

  • @JamesDoebbler
    @JamesDoebbler 10 місяців тому +2

    Definitely picking one of these up for my hot dog stand!

  • @UloPe
    @UloPe 10 місяців тому +3

    Nice little switch. The whole thing reminds me of the early days of Netgear. Cheap but well working, good features, janky 1990s web interface - its got it all :D

  • @SteveTech
    @SteveTech 10 місяців тому +2

    I might be wrong, but that looks like an Aricent management interface. IIRC you used to be able to unblock port 6080 to get the same thing though the console port on QNAP switches, but I just tried now and it seems they've disabled it all together.

  • @Sylvan_dB
    @Sylvan_dB 9 місяців тому

    rubber feet -- incredibly cheap for something with a flat base. Simply a 2cm or 3cm square perforated to tear into 4 equal pieces of self-adhesive foam 2mm to 3mm thick. With that in mind, I have a roll of cheap self-adhesive weatherstrip foam and a pair of scissors...

  • @txga2005
    @txga2005 5 місяців тому +1

    Great video!Well done!

  • @TDCIYB77
    @TDCIYB77 10 місяців тому +7

    This switch as rackmount version with double the 10Gb & 2.5Gb ports and POE for 150€ would be amazing. Great find!

    • @TheTipov
      @TheTipov 10 місяців тому +1

      there are switches like nicgiga S25-0402P,
      +you can mount it to a 10"rack (the ears are very thin),
      +it has PoE,
      +4x2.5G and 2x 10G SFP,
      +the power supply is internal
      the only downside it's a dumb switch with no web interface

    • @TDCIYB77
      @TDCIYB77 10 місяців тому

      @@TheTipov Sounds nice! But would need 4 10 Gbs and 8 1-2.5Gbps ports with POE and management.
      But as Patrick said in the video, reviews of switches with more ports are coming!

  • @Eledore
    @Eledore 10 місяців тому +1

    That plain simple style of management website. It gives me nostalgia vibes.

  • @Natebur
    @Natebur 10 місяців тому +4

    Did you test the IP change retention after reboot? That interface looks like another cheap switch with the same factory ip that would not retain the ip setting.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +2

      Most people with that issue do not write the configuration they are trying to save

    • @Natebur
      @Natebur 10 місяців тому

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo that’s what I thought it was first. But after the second attempt, it still didn’t keep. But all my vlan configuration did keep

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Natebur I've had no issues saving my changed IP on the older Hasivo switch where people complained about that. Mine shipped with the updated firmware.
      I've power cycled my switch multiple times and it still sticks. 🙂
      My model also has a hidden menu to change the factory defaults so that would also be an option in my case if it didn't already work. 😄

  •  10 місяців тому +2

    One thing to add to the SFP+ ports is that they also support 2.5G modules in my experience.

    • @Daniel15au
      @Daniel15au 10 місяців тому

      It usually depends on if the module supports 2.5G.

    •  10 місяців тому +1

      @@Daniel15au i know, I wasn't clear enough. I meant 2.5G SFP modules, which might not work over 1G in every SFP+ port.

  • @Schroinx
    @Schroinx 10 місяців тому +1

    Good to see they are comming down in price. However, I don't need fiber, but 4-8x 2,5G ports and 2x 10Gb.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +1

      We have reviewed a few of those. You can find them on the guide

  • @festro1000
    @festro1000 10 місяців тому

    Probably be something I get, if I had one gripe it would be the lack of an internal power supply. power bricks are just unsightly to me but considering the price and features certainly something I could overlook.

  • @mofoq
    @mofoq 10 місяців тому +1

    oooo...at 90$, makes it into a super inexpensive media-converter 🤔
    Thought would be nice to see a second SFP+ port

  • @pyroslev
    @pyroslev 10 місяців тому +2

    Managed 2.5Gig with POE and all the extras for 100ish bucks? I'm about to get one to replace my unmanaged switch.

  • @raduboboc
    @raduboboc 10 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for this review.
    I was looking for a 8x port 2.5Gb, Poe, managed switch that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
    It seems that this category is not so well represented in the market.
    In your big review please include one such cheap option.
    Thank you

    • @Prevok
      @Prevok 10 місяців тому

      Same. Even 8 is a bit short for me, 12 would be perfect, but I do have a need for an 8 port as well. 4 port, not so much.

    • @Ridderxxl
      @Ridderxxl 10 місяців тому +2

      @raduboboc Hasavio also sells a version with 9 ports, one at 10 gbase and the rest at 2.5 gbase

    • @arekx
      @arekx 10 місяців тому

      hasivo s1100wp-8gt-1xgt-se (one of 1005006151705898 item variants on ali)

  • @yourpcmd
    @yourpcmd 10 місяців тому +5

    The thing I noticed on the inside is well, rust!

  • @SeijinSA
    @SeijinSA 10 місяців тому +3

    What POE standards does this support? AF/AT/BT/24vPassive?
    Can POE be disabled in ports vs cycled?

    • @SeijinSA
      @SeijinSA 10 місяців тому

      Reading the article on the main site it seems to support AT/BT ---- but again as mentioned, only 65w of budget w/o edits or another power adapter? Is there a max power listed for this or max Amps it can take if one needed to support more than one BT device?

    • @accik
      @accik 10 місяців тому +1

      From main article: "Port 1 802.3bt and Ports 2-4 802.3at" and poe reset is present like Patric said.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@SeijinSAIt's worth asking the seller. On their older RTL8373+RTL8224 based 5 * 2.5GBase-T + 2 * SFP+ switch, it was rated for up to 130W but was usually sold with a 65W PSU unless you asked for the more powerful one. However, that switch's management interface has a bug that prevents you from raising it from 65W (unless you raise it to 200W). 😄

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      @@SeijinSA Actually, the POEPLUS rebranded version of this switch states that the BT port supports up to 90W, which lines up with what I mentioned previously. You might be able to ask for the bigger PSU if you want.
      Note that the BT port has been a bit flaky in terms of PoE on my older model switch. I've seen one person on the STH forum pull 40W from it though so it certainly work well for some people at least. The AT ports have been working great for me though. 🙂

  • @xarafaxz
    @xarafaxz 10 місяців тому +2

    Hey. Did you test power consumption with SFP+ RJ-45 with plugedin cable and estabilished 10GbE link ?
    In my experiance RJ-45 10GbE SFP+ draws power as hell and produce insane heat that makes them dangerous to se in passive cooled systems.

    • @arekx
      @arekx 10 місяців тому

      Yeah. These rj45 sfp+ modules easily reach 100°C even when doing just 2Gbit/s traffic (and smarter switches (that can read temperature sensor in module) shut them down then).

  • @thatbox
    @thatbox 10 місяців тому +2

    finally a 10gbe-to-10gbt layer three switch to meet the needs of my hotdog stand

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +2

      I would call this more like a L2+ switch for your hot dog stand :-)

  • @Proton_Decay
    @Proton_Decay 10 місяців тому +1

    I want this with 2 10gbE ports, there's one cheap one on Amazon that does it for $150 but many reviews say it overheats.
    I'm running a direct 10gbE cable between workstation and NAS, and 2.5g to the rest of the home network. The PROBLEM this creates is the NAS is noisy for something that's in my office right between our bedroom and the kids room, and I cannot leverage the one in-wall Ethernet run that would let me move the server to the living room.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +2

      We reviewed the QNAP and I think a few others. All of them are in the linked Ultimate Guide on the main site

  • @andresilvasophisma
    @andresilvasophisma 10 місяців тому

    Don't know the brand but on paper looks great.
    Being able to switch between layer 3 and layer 4 is a nice touch.

  • @mitchese1
    @mitchese1 10 місяців тому +1

    Ive had an interesting issue with the hasivo 8 port 10g poe switch (previously reviewed). It seems that the signal is not as good as other switches. After changing to hasivo,on 2 of my links it refuses anything but 100mbit. I need to pull new cables or something...
    Changing back to unifi, and everything runs at 1gbit. Unifi ran 4 years at 1gbit without issue, and changing the hasivo to no autonegotiate anf 1000mbit and it sees no link.
    In spite of this, i would recommend it - its probably an issue with the wires installed in the wall (though they are cat7). Strange though that hasivo is reliably stuck at 100mbit and unifi (and previously netgear) had no issue with gbit

  • @r_firefly4292
    @r_firefly4292 10 місяців тому +6

    I got mine (4x2.5G Based-T and 2x10G SFP+) for 170CNY, which is less than 30 USD. A killer deal if I can call it such.

    • @r_firefly4292
      @r_firefly4292 10 місяців тому +1

      I basically use it as a 10G-2.5G bridge

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      @@r_firefly4292 Yeah, the unmanaged ones are cheap enough for use cases like that.
      They can also be used instead of media converters when you want to electrically separate two buildings, when combined with cheap fiber transceivers.

  • @spuddiver
    @spuddiver 10 місяців тому +1

    FYI from aliexpress comments:
    Do not buy if you planned on using more than 1 of these on the same L2 network - you will not be able to manage more than 1. It seems that all units have been manufactured with the same system MAC address assigned, and with no apparent way to change it. Hopefully this defect can be fixed with a firmware update…
    Not sure if its same for this UNit as the front facia is slightly different to one I see listed on aliexpress.

    • @shiddygaymer
      @shiddygaymer 10 місяців тому

      Chinese junk tbh

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 10 місяців тому +4

      I sent a message to Hasivo asking if the identical MAC ID was fixed for these switches and they responded it was.

    • @spuddiver
      @spuddiver 10 місяців тому

      Good to hear!

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      Someone else in the comments here already confirmed that their two switches had different MACs. 🙂
      It sounds like it's already solved, or should be if you flash the latest firmware update.

  • @bastian775
    @bastian775 10 місяців тому +1

    I have a ONTi with 8 * 10G SFP that is really nice as well, but has the same management interface, but it's in Chinese 😞. I have paid too much though since it costs like 50 euro less now... but for the 160 euro including 21% VAT it is now it looks to be a good deal as well. I replaced the "garbage adapter" I got with a better one. I often don't trust the Chinese power adapters. They can be really scary. I do label them with "Chinesium" in case I need a temporary adapter to test something. But I don't use those for 24/7 usage. You can buy really cheap 10G SFP+ optical modules these days that also seem to work well. Maybe I will replace my 35 watt (idle as well!) powerhungry QNAP switch with this.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      Did you try asking the seller if they have an updated firmware with English support? I've seen at least one switch that originally shipped with Chinese-only firmware later get English as an option in a later firmware update.

  • @rbyrne1975
    @rbyrne1975 10 місяців тому +2

    I have a question: is the CPU on this switch dual core? I've noticed with their other products, if you run a continuous ping to the switch you get 1-2ms response times BUUUUT If you log into the Web Gui, even whilst not doing anything within it, the continuous pings will spike periodically to 100ms and above. 200ms - 400s MS if you are clicking through options in the gui. This is because the switch is using its very limited CPU and memory resources to do things like refresh the web gui, etc.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +1

      I do not know this for a fact, but most low end switches are single core.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому +1

      Wouldn't most things related to forwarding and handling traffic happen on the switch chip anyway, not the CPU? Would it even matter in practice?

    • @rbyrne1975
      @rbyrne1975 10 місяців тому

      @@blunden2 The same thing happens during a stress test. If I run a cont ping while’s doing multiple speed tests from other connected hosts, ping response times jump to 40-50 ms during the speed tests. Once the speeds tests conclude it’s back to 1ms response time. The cpus in these things are not sufficient for heavy traffic from multiples hosts in my test

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      @@rbyrne1975 Ping response times to what? The switch or to some other system on the other side of the switch?

    • @rbyrne1975
      @rbyrne1975 10 місяців тому

      @@blunden2 to the switch itself and or anything on the other side of it yah. While under load. Another laptop plugged directly into isp router still pings the internet gateways at 1ms. When the switch is under duress it shows. Single core weak cpus I believe are the culprits in some of these cheap 10gig switches . Will be fine for 95%!of users who won’t even notice it

  • @postnick
    @postnick 10 місяців тому +11

    This would be perfect for my home stop… but I drank the UniFi coolaide and don’t want to give that up.

    • @tolpacourt
      @tolpacourt 10 місяців тому +2

      koolaide

    • @gregneumarke9373
      @gregneumarke9373 10 місяців тому +3

      But do they even have a 4 or 5 port 2.5Gbe switch?

    • @YKSGuy
      @YKSGuy 10 місяців тому

      @@gregneumarke9373 8 port 2.5 with 2 SFP+ ports and POE+ is the closest Unifi option for 4-6x the cost. However no mac address issue, a proper power supply and plenty of firmware updates.

    • @postnick
      @postnick 10 місяців тому

      well 5 port isn't enough but an 8 port would be fine. They do kind of have a switch that would work but it's just shy of $500@@gregneumarke9373

    • @deano1699
      @deano1699 10 місяців тому +1

      @@tolpacourt Kool-Aid™.

  • @gustersongusterson4120
    @gustersongusterson4120 10 місяців тому +1

    I've been looking for a high bandwidth switch for my hotdog stand!

  • @teardowndan5364
    @teardowndan5364 9 місяців тому +1

    Most IP cameras only have 100Base-TX ports since even UHD cameras only need ~25Mbps while there is a party in front of the lens, 100Base-TX is cheaper, more power-efficient and also more resilient. If all you need PoE for is IP cameras, go 1GbE and get 2-3X as many managed PoE ports for your money, six times if you don't care about management. You likely also save a few watts from the more mature slower hardware not having as many grossly under-used processing resources per port.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  9 місяців тому

      True, but people also use PoE for things like WiFi APs that can use well over 1Gbps of bandwidth these days

    • @teardowndan5364
      @teardowndan5364 9 місяців тому

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo How many people go through the trouble of running Ethernet through walls for anything other than cameras and don't terminate those non-camera runs next to a power outlet?

    • @wings2004
      @wings2004 9 місяців тому

      ​@@teardowndan5364Wi-Fi APs are often on ceilings without power access. Granted I would want more poe to run more than 1 Wi-Fi 7 AP

  • @cdoublejj
    @cdoublejj 10 місяців тому

    finally ...after i go unifi... still nice to know it's an option could be handy for other projects

  • @HetZieltje
    @HetZieltje 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm still waiting for one of these switches with 3x10g, that would be the icing on the cake for me

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому

      We have a few with more than two SFP+ ports coming, but they tend to be more expensive and use more power.

  • @SP-ny1fk
    @SP-ny1fk 10 місяців тому +1

    I really hope you are making a giant tiny mini micro cluster in the background with all these review units

  • @udirt
    @udirt 10 місяців тому +2

    A sick idea would be embedding one of those per 2U server as subdistribution 😂

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +1

      There were designs like that in the 1GbE era when some multi-nodes were trying to be more like blades

  • @scottylans
    @scottylans 10 місяців тому +1

    Patrick as it has no fan and it's 65W poe, I'm surprised you didn't max out the Poe ports and measure temps. Please consider

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 10 місяців тому +1

      Power draw of PoE devices won't make the switch heat up a noticeable amount. All the extra heat will be from the external 48v power supply.

  • @ferrari2k
    @ferrari2k 10 місяців тому

    Interesting video, I just had a look at 2.5G switches last week because I thought about upgrading my network, but although ~90 bucks may be cheapER than before, compared to the about 10€ price for a 1G 5port switch, I would deem them still too expensive, especially, if you want to upgrade more of them.
    I think I still will have to wait a bit until these will be more affordable, especially if the prices are dropping fast. Another year won't harm me :D

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому +1

      If you are fine with unmanaged switches, you can find those in the $30-40 range, sometimes less. I've seen the HiSource one for $36 including both 25% VAT and shipping. I ended up buying one just to have on hand as an extra switch.

  • @greg19606
    @greg19606 10 місяців тому +3

    I just find it silly that since Comcast can only give me a 2.5g copper port, I have one of these between them and a PA-3220...

  • @annebokma4637
    @annebokma4637 10 місяців тому

    I am going to upgrade to 2xwifi7 and an asustor flastor 12. My pc will get a 10gb port as well. The motherboard has a 4 lane slot available. The only cards that are x4 have rj45 ports. Cards with sfp+ tend to be x8.
    So for me I would want at least a 4 port 10gb switch with a few ports for connecting other switches for appliances.
    I would love to see more 10gb switch reviews compared to the flood of these 2,5 gb oriented switches.

  • @paulstubbs7678
    @paulstubbs7678 10 місяців тому

    One of these would be perfect for my back yard workshop/radio shack. I really like the ability to easily pop in a module to get an optical connection back to my house's network, whilst providing some isolation should me radio's antenna cop a lightning event. (Sure that would trash most of everything out there, but optical should stop it there). I've also thought of putting an access point up my radio tower to share my connection, however it needs a vlan for that, and these can do that, nice.
    Two concerns, do the ports accept slower devices, like 100Mb etc.
    And if you have both, be very careful with the power supplies, as one is 12V whilst the other is 52V, so smoke could easily be made.
    One other slightly related, If I do put in an SFP optical module, what do I need at the other end, as my main switch does not have SFP.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      If you want to use a fiber connection you obviously need to be able to put an SFP+ fiber transceiver on the other end as well. If you can't, you could put a second switch like this there to media convert for you, I suppose. 🙂

  • @paulstubbs7678
    @paulstubbs7678 10 місяців тому

    6:40 If "If you take of the bottom clam shell", you find rust.

  • @frostar701
    @frostar701 10 місяців тому +4

    Mounting Puddy! I use it to keep scratches off my workspace and to hold things in place as well

  • @Acece665
    @Acece665 10 місяців тому +2

    Have you guys done any security testing on these? Phoning home etc?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +3

      We stick all of these on a dedicated sniffer network before reviewing.

  • @Casper042
    @Casper042 10 місяців тому +1

    Patrick, I imagine this as more of an edge device.
    Drop a 12/16/24x10Gb (SFP+ or -T) in your central Home/Office location.
    Then run either CAT6A / SR Fiber out to areas with multiple 2.5G clients or PoE Cameras, so you have a mostly non blocking solution.
    Which reminds me, you can't really talk about power consumption and then put in a 10G-T transceiver ONLY. Those are very power hungry, for the bigger review, can you put in and compare a 10G SR Fiber Transceiver? Should be less power.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +1

      The idea is really to use something power hungry

    • @Casper042
      @Casper042 10 місяців тому

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Just saying the newbs may not understand the difference.

  • @forbiddenera
    @forbiddenera 10 місяців тому

    Just my cisco APs use like 15-25w each at least..and here i was thinking it'd be good for using for poe to upgrade to aps with 2.5g ports..might still be okay but I'd only be able to use two ports that way (not that I need more than 2 aps in my apartment lol)

  • @DJaquithFL
    @DJaquithFL 10 місяців тому +2

    I like the ports .. I just don't like that there's such an odd lot of them. PAIRS ARE NICER!

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +1

      Fair. I thought that too. Then I tried to connect the Minisforum MS-01 (SFP+ mini PC) to a QNAP TBS-h574TX NAS (10Gbase-T and 2.5GbE) and I totally understood the use case. Some might think of this as a SFP+ to 10Gbase-T converter with bonus 2.5GbE ports.

  • @DangoNetwork
    @DangoNetwork 10 місяців тому +1

    Hasivo has great low cost managed switchs. Only issue I had with them is compatibility with Cisco dac cable.

    • @uncledrax
      @uncledrax 10 місяців тому

      It's common to run into compat issued with pluggables (like DACs/SFPs/etc) between vendors.. sometimes they are 'cosmetic' issues (ie: log warnings), and sometimes they configured to not function. This is usually done for compat/warranty reasons (and plenty of non-technical reasons designed to extort money from pockets). Your best cross-brand solution would be opt for a Standards based interface between them - ie: a cable running 10GBaseT or 10G-LX/SX handoff, compared to a DAC.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      The support person for the POEPLUS brand (they rebrand Hasivo switches) promised me a firmware update with better DAC support if I sent them some more details, after I mentioned it for context when asking questions about one of their switches. I was under the impression that the issue was a hardware design flaw, but they claimed it's firmware. Let's see who's right. 😄 Either way I already bought Ipolex fiber transceivers that work fine with it, so it would mostly be a bonus at this point.
      Also made sure to mention the few other bugs/issues I've found, as well as the solution to its broken SSH (it relies on there being a user named "root"). It will be interesting to see what they come up with. 🙂

  • @aftafoya
    @aftafoya 10 місяців тому

    I'm still looking for one that does POE++ out at 2.5G with SFP+ uplink.

  • @waralo191
    @waralo191 10 місяців тому +2

    Does this switch support RADIUS authentication with vlans?

  • @daro007
    @daro007 10 місяців тому +6

    Maybe some review of Zyxel XMG1915-18EP ?

    • @jroysdon
      @jroysdon 10 місяців тому

      XGS1210-12 as well. Rather happy with mine, but would like to some comparisons against other Zyxels.

  • @rigveda2005za
    @rigveda2005za 9 місяців тому

    Is the one port SFP or SFP+ there seems to be different listing on the provided link, some pictures show SFP others show SFP+?

  • @_droid
    @_droid 10 місяців тому +2

    Has anyone figured out if it's possible to replace the firmware on these with something open-source?

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      OpenWrt is not available for it yet at least. It's not available for the slightly older Realtek switch platform either. It would be possible if more developers helped out.

  • @abavariannormiepleb9470
    @abavariannormiepleb9470 10 місяців тому +4

    The only question for me would be how to ensure long-term firmware update support.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 10 місяців тому +3

      what for? it's a switch. Just disable access from untrusted ports/vlans

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 10 місяців тому

      I doubt if the firmware can even be updated.

    • @ffsireallydontcare
      @ffsireallydontcare 10 місяців тому +2

      @@marcogenovesi8570 How about for when the shipped firmware has a bug that makes it unreliable?

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 10 місяців тому

      @@ffsireallydontcare that's not what "long term firmware support" is for, that's mostly for security patches to gui and control interfaces

    • @ffsireallydontcare
      @ffsireallydontcare 10 місяців тому

      @@marcogenovesi8570 That *is* what long term firmware support is for. I would expect at least 2 to 3 years of updates and bug fixes for any device with a management interface. I think the issue is that these manufacturers chuck their devices out the door with whatever firmware they could cobble together but providing zero after-sales support or firmware updates.
      I had this issue with Fanvil VOIP phones. As manufactured they were unusable and there was nowhere you could download new firmware on their website. I was only able to get new firmware by pestering them over email, which is NOT a sustainable support model.

  • @YKSGuy
    @YKSGuy 10 місяців тому +2

    All the devices having the same MAC is a major deal breaker really.
    I hope the run down video of 2.5 gig has a JANK / non JANK note on each.. Think I will keep waiting for MikroTik to release a 2.5G POE+ switch.

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 10 місяців тому +2

      I sent a message to Hasivo asking if the identical MAC ID was fixed for these switches and they responded it was.

  • @photon92
    @photon92 10 місяців тому

    A hot dog stand?? That's definallty a first as far as examples go! 👍

  • @ivarmh
    @ivarmh 10 місяців тому +1

    Would be great to use with IP2110. Does the switch support IGMP v3 and PTP v2 with awareness?

  • @piotrekpaul
    @piotrekpaul 6 місяців тому

    I've noticed that this swich (PoE version_ is trunking my VLANs (that are comming from Unifi Router). Devices with other subnet are no longer accessibe. Both on dumb and managed setting. Do you have any mitigation for this?

  • @b00tn3t7
    @b00tn3t7 10 місяців тому

    Been looking for a switch with the (relatively) same capes as the Ubiquiti US-XG-6POE and i think the PoE version of this will do. Thanks for the review!

  • @wickedwobotics1
    @wickedwobotics1 10 місяців тому

    Still not enough to make me consider upgrading my Mikrotiks from 2017. They're basically the same price. Maybe if they added another 18 basic gig ports.

  • @wings2004
    @wings2004 9 місяців тому

    I was originally interested in this for poe APs but likely not enough power for that. That said, did you see the max power draw? I'm wondering if you could power the non poe version of this with a barrel Jack splitter making it a nice clean remote switch.

  • @zenmaster24
    @zenmaster24 10 місяців тому +1

    a prosumer switch with an api that supports config as code would be awesome

  • @everyday_truth
    @everyday_truth 9 місяців тому

    i’m a noob, but when are the grounding points in the switches used and how do you ground it?

  • @pvdgucht
    @pvdgucht 10 місяців тому

    I bought a €32 2.5GbE switch from alliexpress with 2 10GbESFP uplink ports. Took me a while to figure out what MDX is and that I could not use any of the rj45 ports to plug in my internet cable comming from my isp’s modem. So spent another €40 on a SFP+ module that isnon the way now. Lesson learned 😒

    • @bjornroesbeke
      @bjornroesbeke 10 місяців тому

      I have not heard of MDX before.
      Did you mean MDI-X? In that case, just use a cross-cable or if one device supports MDI/MDI-X switching, it should work just fine.

  • @tyquanmontgomery-p6s
    @tyquanmontgomery-p6s 10 місяців тому

    Loved what you shared. Made me learn a lot. I am factory of industrial smart management POE switch. Can I establish supply relationship with you?

  • @PeteGontier
    @PeteGontier 9 місяців тому

    Anybody know whether the SFP+ and/or 10Gbps ports on these things can be constrained to 5Gbps for use with Cat5e?

  • @be-kind00
    @be-kind00 10 місяців тому +3

    What version of PoE are the ports. + or ++?

    • @mstratforduk
      @mstratforduk 10 місяців тому

      It has BT, AT, AF, and HiPoe options per port.

  • @bjornroesbeke
    @bjornroesbeke 10 місяців тому

    Does toggling the switch from "web" to "dumb" really make it a dumb switch or does it just disable access to the web interface?
    I'd prefer the latter to be the case. Configure, set to dumb, +10 security points.
    Also, can access to its management webpage be limited to certain interfaces or VLANs?

  • @marcel151
    @marcel151 10 місяців тому +1

    Is there a version with 2x SFP+? Love the low power consumption and the fact that it's managed. Would be great if they'll make the same switch with 2x SFP+.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому

      Check out the Ultimate 2.5GbE Switch Guide on the STH main site linked below. We have 36+ cheap fanless models there including ones with 2x SFP+ (and ones with 2x 10Gbase-T), and should be at 50+ switches there by the end of March.

    • @marcel151
      @marcel151 10 місяців тому

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo I did that, didn't find a managed switch with 4x 2.5G + 2x SFP+.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      Seems my last reply didn't get posted, possibly because I included links.
      The answer is yes, they have a model like that on their website but not on their AliExpress store. Other brands like POEPLUS are selling it rebranded under their own brand though. 🙂

    • @marcel151
      @marcel151 10 місяців тому

      @@blunden2 Do you have a model number?

    • @marcel151
      @marcel151 10 місяців тому

      @@blunden2 My posts also get deleted, don't know why. Can you please tell me the part number?
      EDIT: Found it, it's S600W-4GT-2SX-S. I asked Hasivo where to get this switch, will reply to this message when I get an answer. Thanks!

  • @PuchMaxi
    @PuchMaxi 10 місяців тому

    @14:10 Hold up, are they going to release a new firmware to fix this issue?

    • @PuchMaxi
      @PuchMaxi 10 місяців тому

      You could change the mac-address using the hidden menu in /system_set.html but is the original mac-address printed on the label?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +1

      We have a few folks that bought newer units after we did and said it is already fixed.

    • @PuchMaxi
      @PuchMaxi 10 місяців тому

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks!

  • @Lafiro
    @Lafiro 10 місяців тому +1

    If it was 2.5Gpbs PoE+ then it would have it all. Well one can only dream of one at some point.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому +1

      It is though, isn't? PoE+ is 802.3at and all ports support at least that.

  • @jarsky
    @jarsky 10 місяців тому

    That interface looks pretty much like a Netgear ProSafe line switch. Doesnt surprise me to see a Common Gateway Interface (CGI) page in the URL. Be nice to see these interfaces moved out of 2005 by now, even if it is a cheap device.

    • @blunden2
      @blunden2 10 місяців тому

      Curiously the slightly older managed switches based on the RTL8373 + RTL8224 switch chip platform doesn't seem to use CGI from a quick glance.
      Regardless, the interface seems to be based on a reference implementation from Realtek.

  • @jaycahow4667
    @jaycahow4667 10 місяців тому +3

    I sent a message to Hasivo asking if the identical MAC ID was fixed for these switches and they responded it was.

    • @vencdee
      @vencdee 10 місяців тому

      Can the MACs be changed from Web management? It seems it has plenty of options.

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 10 місяців тому

      @@vencdee I do not own this specific switch yet although I do own other switches from them. I just sent them an inquiry from their web page and they got back to me that it was fixed.

  • @jensschroder8214
    @jensschroder8214 10 місяців тому

    If you want to use 2.5G and try out a path interface, these are the right switches.

  • @bertblankenstein3738
    @bertblankenstein3738 10 місяців тому

    4 ports at 2.5 is good, but i often wonder if there are 8 or 16 ports (2.5) switches. I do not see much there.

  • @miked6184
    @miked6184 10 місяців тому +1

    If you have 2 of them daisy chained how do you access their IP addresses since they'd have the same one?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  10 місяців тому +1

      You change the IP address at the initial setup

    • @miked6184
      @miked6184 10 місяців тому

      Thanks!@@ServeTheHomeVideo

  • @juriom7023
    @juriom7023 8 місяців тому

    does it do link-aggregation on the 2.5 gbps ports? would be nice for my nas. thanks!

  • @coudyousi1198
    @coudyousi1198 10 місяців тому

    Nice video ! Maybe that's what i need !
    You verry often talk about the consumption of sfp+ modules or transceivers,do you have a brand/model you trust ? Maybe a link ?

  • @jonathanbuzzard1376
    @jonathanbuzzard1376 10 місяців тому +2

    Now just give me a version with 16 ports, only half need to be 2.5GbE. Personally, I would prefer a Cisco like CLI than some crappy web interface that has a bunch of security holes and will stop working for some random reason in about five years on current web browsers while the device has many years of service left in it.

    • @vencdee
      @vencdee 10 місяців тому

      Ssh Cli would be much better. Like e.g. in Microtics.