I do want to make a point where between them, they have paid £36,000 for tuition fees for two years for not getting the education they were contractually obligated to receive (Not including the sixth form student). That's just two students not millions we are acturly talking about. Being realistic, it's a con, and the students should not need to be in a greater debt even if they do get a degree, for a service they did not receive. In simple consumer transactions a reduced product price, reimbursement or alternative conditions are usually offered for the product or service to be fulfilled as advertised, not 'Deal with it, and make the best of it as you can'. Students if you remember, were put on curfew in student dorms during the pandemic at times, with online courses that were not sufficient to support the courses they were taking. Let's be clear that this is a strictly English problem because not even Scotland or Wales have these issues, let alone most other 1st world European states that invest in tuition from the state, not from the individual. On standardised mandatory education goes though that in fact I support the strikes as it's abysmal what isn't invested.
Who do you think cares about the students? The teachers or the daily mail? Who do you think cares about fire safety, the fire brigade or the tories? Who do you think cares about the patient? The nurses or the politicians?
If you've got broadband and a decent computer at home, one doesn't even need to actually go to a special building and be talked at by a teacher or lecturer. All relevant notes and reading gudes can be accessed online. Just teach yourself a subject if you are interested enough, guided by a remote helper. It's only one day of strikes. So stop moaning.
I agree that students should study independently if their classes are cancelled. They can see on the schedule what topic was due that week. They could even put a study group together and share notes and discuss the topic together.
We do study independently, in fact the majority of our learning is done independently. I study maths and I can tell you that contact hours are invaluable. It’s very easy when studying a difficult subject to misinterpret what is actually being said to you and you need to be challenged on the concepts you are learning. Also this isn’t just one day of strikes - this has been going on since I started university 4 years ago and there’s more strikes coming in the next month.
Why Rishi Sunak and King Charles have like no feeling and no attention for crucial circumstances of UK at all. Rishi Sunak is banker why Rishi Sunak have no way to improve it. Do it as soon as sir
He’s the puppet for the people trying to destroy our country and as long it suits him snd his pocket he will Continue to do their bidding and lie outrageously to our faces.
Correct. I'm sure you know that the, incredibly important, systems put in place to prevent parents from supporting persistent absence also cost schools a significant amount of time and money- neither of which has been funded by government and has been taken from your child.
There are different pots for different things. so yes, the pot for national defence is very very big and always will be. I expect Johnson and Sunak have shares in the company that make the weapons .
😀 6 or 7 hours a day 5 days a week teachers look after your children. Childrens mental health decline it stems from the environment children reside the most. Children are depressed by the majority and have mental health issues, frankly the school day, facilities on school sites are depressing for adults and children. It's really weird actually parents don't have much time for own children.
So much for benign. The geek trying to get his way. The others are likely gender of a different type. Are barely educated by their family to make character as to keep their own from school on job or for future seeking.
Sounds like these students are setting the ground for becoming well paid teachers themselves. Two teachers next door, did nothing else, retired before 60, house paid for, two new cars, combined teahers' pensions of £30k+, in addition to two state pensions for life (20 to 30 more years). Someone is having a laugh!
Teachers get paid an annual wage only in the sense that their term time earnings are split into 12 monthly cheques. They aren't actually "earning" anything over holidays. Therefore anytime spent taking down their classroom at the end of the year, or setting it up at the end of summer or working after hours into the night to grade and prepare lesson plans is unpaid and amounts to hundreds of hours of lost earnings every year.
@@davidwillox2673 alot of people get paid monthly over 12 months 🤣. And you are telling me teachers use personal money on kids and don't claim back expenses or have a kitty fund they use? If you add all the "contractual hours agreed" how much teachers work compare it to the hours a private sector person works for the same wage/equivalent qualifications. Teachers will be low on that list of numbers of hours worked. Trying to even justify "where the excess money is being spent" tells me that may not be the case, this is a fact marking grades and preparation of course work is in the teachers contracts which they get extra leave/time for. Sanitation workers are paid less and they are still working. That should tell us something.
@@stockgorilla4999 first, what "excess money" did I mention in my comment? Second what does another underpaid profession carrying on working tell us? Maybe their all happy, maybe their not, maybe they have no means of striking. People on minimum wage without union representation aren't striking, is that supposed to tell us that those wages are sufficient to live on? I don't mean these questions combatively, they are merely follow up questions. Please educate me on why it is illegitimate for this group to demand better pay?
@@davidwillox2673 I'm meant to say your justifying what I think is excessive. Sanitation workers are not striking as it's in my opinion that they're harder workers compared to teachers and nhs nurses that want to eat biscuits all day.. (Not the Philippines nurses they are hard workers). This is in my opinion on what I've seen. Here's some basic economics. When public sector goes on strike inevitably it means printing of money...where as private strikers know the amount of money they can ask for as they have access to business accounts and know what they can expect. The workers know what things are made for and where the profit margin is. All I've seen in teachers is declining school grades throughout the country, globally and rising knife crime. Looking at the caliber of teacher today compared to 20 years ago, again in my opinion I can see why.
@@stockgorilla4999 that's fair enough. Thanks for explaining so clearly. Personally I've never encountered NHS staff eating excessive amounts of biscuits while I'm bed ridden, otherwise I would have asked for some Hobnobs! As for the rest of it, I generally believe that all jobs are hard and a lot of people work extraordinaryily hard at them (I've known people who don't in all fields of employment which I feel makes it unfair to say private sector =hard working, public = cookie munching slobs!), and if that pay does not equal a basic standard of living then more pay should follow. But beyond that I also believe that teachers should not have to use their own money to buy school supplies, or start charity drives to repair the school roof! nor should nurses need to buy their own PPE equipment. Those issues are also at least part of the focus of the strikes. Even if you dispute the award of more pay, our schools must surely be funded to buy paper and pens and a solid roof! That's my two cents anyway.
They chose their profession knowing full well what the salary bands were. I work in the private sector in IT. I earn X-amount. I'm struggling, my employer is struggling; they're not making sales targets because the public are also suffering. Raw materials have also heavily gone up in price. The entire country is struggling. For me to go on strike and _demand_ more pay (from the public), or else, is just outright selfish.
You want the people who teach your children to be paid poorly. Also why do you assume that everyone who works in the public sector started work six months ago. The average private sector pay has increased over the last ten years. Public sector pay across the board has dropped in real terms by 20%. Go do your home work. You work in IT look up the facts instead of forming opinions based on emotional response or the Daily Mail headlines.
It is unfair. we paid for this and we are not getting ou moneys worth. At least lecturers have warm beds to go home to not homeless and sleeping rough in the freezing cold like some people. #firstworldproblems
Teachers work term times only and get paid a full annual wage. Let that sink in The lowest paid are sanitation workers and they're all at work..that tells you something 🤣
the teachers are the highest paid in europe for the fewest hours and the lowest standards. if you want a pay rise negotiate it with your employer. if they won’t budge. go elsewhere. you signed a contract that stipulated terms.
Kudos to those three standing up to Newman who spent the whole interview trying to badger them into speaking against their teachers and lecturers...
Ikr! I was abit annoyed at that. She was trying EVERYTHING to make them moan about it. Those kids are great 👍🏾
They could barely put a sentence together. She was trying to get them to think critically.
Imo she helped them convey their opinions by playing the role of devil’s advocate
Asking kids to justify why teachers deserve fair pay. Wow the media have dropped to a new low
I do want to make a point where between them, they have paid £36,000 for tuition fees for two years for not getting the education they were contractually obligated to receive (Not including the sixth form student). That's just two students not millions we are acturly talking about. Being realistic, it's a con, and the students should not need to be in a greater debt even if they do get a degree, for a service they did not receive. In simple consumer transactions a reduced product price, reimbursement or alternative conditions are usually offered for the product or service to be fulfilled as advertised, not 'Deal with it, and make the best of it as you can'. Students if you remember, were put on curfew in student dorms during the pandemic at times, with online courses that were not sufficient to support the courses they were taking. Let's be clear that this is a strictly English problem because not even Scotland or Wales have these issues, let alone most other 1st world European states that invest in tuition from the state, not from the individual. On standardised mandatory education goes though that in fact I support the strikes as it's abysmal what isn't invested.
Maybe people's wages should be public. Especially the higher up the ladder you go
I think students should also be on strike in near future.. 😎😎
Strike to scrap internet on student loans
we are
In the short term no but in the long term it is greatly to their benefit. Unless you don't want professionals teaching them.
Fascinating, the students are paying customers now.
Who do you think cares about the students? The teachers or the daily mail? Who do you think cares about fire safety, the fire brigade or the tories? Who do you think cares about the patient? The nurses or the politicians?
Spot on👍
LoL, I've got to be honest with you. None of the above applies.
If you've got broadband and a decent computer at home, one doesn't even need to actually go to a special building and be talked at by a teacher or lecturer. All relevant notes and reading gudes can be accessed online. Just teach yourself a subject if you are interested enough, guided by a remote helper. It's only one day of strikes. So stop moaning.
It's not only one day ...
I agree that students should study independently if their classes are cancelled.
They can see on the schedule what topic was due that week.
They could even put a study group together and share notes and discuss the topic together.
We do study independently, in fact the majority of our learning is done independently. I study maths and I can tell you that contact hours are invaluable. It’s very easy when studying a difficult subject to misinterpret what is actually being said to you and you need to be challenged on the concepts you are learning. Also this isn’t just one day of strikes - this has been going on since I started university 4 years ago and there’s more strikes coming in the next month.
Why Rishi Sunak and King Charles have like no feeling and no attention for crucial circumstances of UK at all. Rishi Sunak is banker why Rishi Sunak have no way to improve it. Do it as soon as sir
He’s the puppet for the people trying to destroy our country and as long it suits him snd his pocket he will Continue to do their bidding and lie outrageously to our faces.
When we take our kids out of school out of term we are fined.
Correct. I'm sure you know that the, incredibly important, systems put in place to prevent parents from supporting persistent absence also cost schools a significant amount of time and money- neither of which has been funded by government and has been taken from your child.
@Brhdtn hdbfodns it shouldn't be allowed is my point.
What do we want
We don't know
When do we want it
We want it now
I like your THINKING WOODY!!.💕🇬🇧🇺🇦
Where is the ChatGPT to replace the bums ?
We have unlimited funds for Ukraine.
We have no choice on that one. It's a European necessity.
@@antlerman7644 no it’s not, speak for yourself
@@antlerman7644 just like education, crime housing etc etc etc
There are different pots for different things. so yes, the pot for national defence is very very big and always will be. I expect Johnson and Sunak have shares in the company that make the weapons .
We need to fund both. :)
I think this time you can't blame Hancock or Johnson..Maybe.
Why on earth not?
We all know it's Brexit's fault 😆
because there all the same story thats why multiple storys
😀 6 or 7 hours a day 5 days a week teachers look after your children. Childrens mental health decline it stems from the environment children reside the most. Children are depressed by the majority and have mental health issues, frankly the school day, facilities on school sites are depressing for adults and children.
It's really weird actually parents don't have much time for own children.
they all fine a way through (my) lifes working 🤣
Is it fair on students? Haha. No!
Teachers have suffered real payment cuts for more than a decade under Tory austerity.
The Pot Noodle crew
bet you bet teach better english in loughborough were its from
So much for benign. The geek trying to get his way. The others are likely gender of a different type. Are barely educated by their family to make character as to keep their own from school on job or for future seeking.
#ge23
Free Andrew Tate
they can always catch up on their gender and climate studies at home for the day ?
One is a sixth form student, one is a law student, and the other is a languages student.
Maybe you should go to university. You might learn some critical thinking skills.
A day of not brainwashing children.
It’s a shame your generation were all brainwashed. Critical thinking is hard for boomers
Sounds like these students are setting the ground for becoming well paid teachers themselves.
Two teachers next door, did nothing else, retired before 60, house paid for, two new cars, combined teahers' pensions of £30k+, in addition to two state pensions for life (20 to 30 more years). Someone is having a laugh!
Teachers work term times only and get paid a full annual wage. Let that sink in
Teachers get paid an annual wage only in the sense that their term time earnings are split into 12 monthly cheques. They aren't actually "earning" anything over holidays. Therefore anytime spent taking down their classroom at the end of the year, or setting it up at the end of summer or working after hours into the night to grade and prepare lesson plans is unpaid and amounts to hundreds of hours of lost earnings every year.
@@davidwillox2673 alot of people get paid monthly over 12 months 🤣. And you are telling me teachers use personal money on kids and don't claim back expenses or have a kitty fund they use? If you add all the "contractual hours agreed" how much teachers work compare it to the hours a private sector person works for the same wage/equivalent qualifications. Teachers will be low on that list of numbers of hours worked.
Trying to even justify "where the excess money is being spent" tells me that may not be the case, this is a fact marking grades and preparation of course work is in the teachers contracts which they get extra leave/time for.
Sanitation workers are paid less and they are still working. That should tell us something.
@@stockgorilla4999 first, what "excess money" did I mention in my comment? Second what does another underpaid profession carrying on working tell us? Maybe their all happy, maybe their not, maybe they have no means of striking. People on minimum wage without union representation aren't striking, is that supposed to tell us that those wages are sufficient to live on? I don't mean these questions combatively, they are merely follow up questions. Please educate me on why it is illegitimate for this group to demand better pay?
@@davidwillox2673 I'm meant to say your justifying what I think is excessive.
Sanitation workers are not striking as it's in my opinion that they're harder workers compared to teachers and nhs nurses that want to eat biscuits all day.. (Not the Philippines nurses they are hard workers). This is in my opinion on what I've seen.
Here's some basic economics. When public sector goes on strike inevitably it means printing of money...where as private strikers know the amount of money they can ask for as they have access to business accounts and know what they can expect. The workers know what things are made for and where the profit margin is.
All I've seen in teachers is declining school grades throughout the country, globally and rising knife crime. Looking at the caliber of teacher today compared to 20 years ago, again in my opinion I can see why.
@@stockgorilla4999 that's fair enough. Thanks for explaining so clearly.
Personally I've never encountered NHS staff eating excessive amounts of biscuits while I'm bed ridden, otherwise I would have asked for some Hobnobs!
As for the rest of it, I generally believe that all jobs are hard and a lot of people work extraordinaryily hard at them (I've known people who don't in all fields of employment which I feel makes it unfair to say private sector =hard working, public = cookie munching slobs!), and if that pay does not equal a basic standard of living then more pay should follow. But beyond that I also believe that teachers should not have to use their own money to buy school supplies, or start charity drives to repair the school roof! nor should nurses need to buy their own PPE equipment. Those issues are also at least part of the focus of the strikes. Even if you dispute the award of more pay, our schools must surely be funded to buy paper and pens and a solid roof! That's my two cents anyway.
They chose their profession knowing full well what the salary bands were. I work in the private sector in IT. I earn X-amount. I'm struggling, my employer is struggling; they're not making sales targets because the public are also suffering. Raw materials have also heavily gone up in price.
The entire country is struggling. For me to go on strike and _demand_ more pay (from the public), or else, is just outright selfish.
But you're not a public sector worker.
You want the people who teach your children to be paid poorly. Also why do you assume that everyone who works in the public sector started work six months ago. The average private sector pay has increased over the last ten years. Public sector pay across the board has dropped in real terms by 20%. Go do your home work. You work in IT look up the facts instead of forming opinions based on emotional response or the Daily Mail headlines.
It is unfair. we paid for this and we are not getting ou moneys worth. At least lecturers have warm beds to go home to not homeless and sleeping rough in the freezing cold like some people. #firstworldproblems
Teachers work term times only and get paid a full annual wage. Let that sink in
The lowest paid are sanitation workers and they're all at work..that tells you something 🤣
the teachers are the highest paid in europe for the fewest hours and the lowest standards. if you want a pay rise negotiate it with your employer. if they won’t budge. go elsewhere. you signed a contract that stipulated terms.