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Thanks for answering my question about Groundfighting in WT/WC. I was just asking myself, if there were some ground positions to pin and hit (ground and pound so to speak) in classical WC. Sorry that my original question wasn´t too precise. Greetings from Germany, Thorsten.
Some of Lee's Seattle students claimed that Bruce was taught at least a few of the screams by Fook Yeung. Fook was in the Cantonese Opera and that is where he apparently learned some of these vocalizations. What we do know is that during his 1965 screen test, Bruce performed some of his screams during the presentation of forms (e.g., Crane, Tiger) taught to him by Yeung. It's important to remember that every genius builds upon their inherent gifts by learning from others. Examples include Lee learning Jujitsu joint locks from Wally Jay, Judo throws from Hayward Nishioka, and wrestling/grappling techniques from Gene Lebell. Speaking of geniuses, the 18 year old Bruce Lee added the backfist (e.g., ball and socket backfist) to his Jun Fan Gung Fu system and by the time he was 20 years old, he had incorporated 2 additional backfists (e.g., hinge backfist, the big backfist) into his fighting system.
Actually, the techniques Bruce performed during his screen test were the ones he learned from Siu Hon Sang shortly before leaving Hong Kong. The vocalizations he used were still different from the battle cat screams he (or his dubber) “did” in films later.
The Lee warcries theory is interesting indeed. Danny Inosanto said that Bruce was only exhailing or heavy breathing during sparring. But we hear Bruce's original screams during 1965 20th Century Fox screen test as well as during The Green Hornet episodes, Ironside or Longstreet. The Big Boss was dubbed all the way (including warcries that came from his other movies) but during that time Bruce was experimenting with his vocals. You can hear on a one of the tapes of his audio recorder that he could easly mimmick vinyl jam sounds. He also did some cat cries when he was test filming Dan Inosanto and Wu Ngan down from his Cumberland Rd. house balcony in 1972. In my opinion he wanted his fight choreography not only look cool but also have some unusual sound effects. He surely was unique. Great podcast Alex.
Sifu Alex, thanks to you and your crew for helping my start my Kung Fu journey. Your sensible and insightful show really helped kindle an interest in Chinese martial arts, which I had very mistakenly thought to have been more for show and less for application. How wrong I was! Initially I had hoped to find a Wing Chun school near me, but since there are none I could find, I checked out a Northern Praying Mantis school nearby and could not be happier with it. Definitely a bright spot in my week! My question follows my search for books about Northern Mantis. I discovered a book called Seven Star Praying Mantis Kung Fu, and was surprised to find that the author is none other then Leung Ting. Did you happen to have any contact with the style via Leung Ting or anywhere else? You smartly warned against mixing systems in an earlier show, but I'm curious if the two systems of Wing Chun and Northern Mantis might have some overlap in techniques or general concepts. They both seem to be attacking, aggressive styles but beyond that, I'm too new to Kung Fu to really assess much. Again, thanks for your insightful show, and sorry about the lengthy question. I tend to write on about things. You and your crew do fantastic work, please keep it up!
Thanks for your great comment! Happy to have helped you in your journey. Since the 1970’s, Sifu Leung Ting had his own book publishing company. In addition to publishing books on his own art of WT, he published books on a number of styles outside of his own through his company. This included Lee Kam Wing’s Mantis book. You have to imagine that many Sifu in Hong Kong may be great at their style but not have the abilities to publish or write a book. And that is where LT came in to help them out. I do have some friends in the northern Mantis style, both from LKW and from the Chan Pui lineages. Many Chinese martial arts will share certain characteristics, while being quite different in many other points. Southern praying mantis, which is a completely unrelated style to Northern mantis, is much closer to WT.
Nice episode! Bruce’s war cries are a mystery, but presumably his wife must have asked him what the heck he was doing when she heard them for the first time. I read a theory that they were derived from the vocals used in Cantonese Opera which, of course, Bruce was very familiar with.
Hey guys ! Love your show,it's getting better and better. I have a theory about the Bruce Lee screaming topic: it could be only a dubbing actor effect , when you compare the Mandarin & the cantonese soundtracks ,the screams are totally différents. I believe Lee's flicks were shot mute (except ETD)
Kyusho - Dim-mak ect. is based on TCM meridians system. That system is used bought in the east and the west with great succes. People have been operated on with only needles as anesthesia, So there is something there that science is looking at. I don`t say 5 point exploding heart is real. But kyusho and acupuncture is real, they are based on the same system and there are alots of evidence for that. Alle the best to you guys - You are doing a great job with your Podcast. Love them :D
A really interesting episode to listen to while I was running! From what I heard, Bruce Lee did not come up with his infamous shouts till Fist of Fury. I agree that though Bruce might not've used it IRL, he sure made them theatrical, and memorable in the movies.
great podcast. I am sure that the original UK VHS release of Big Boss had the saw to the head scene. I need to check my UK DVDs. I must watch Revenge of the Ninjas.
hello again chaps, I know this video is a fair time ago as well as that one I answered a week or so ago (smile). This video came up on the UA-cam recommendation. I've decided to subscribe so that I might offer thoughts on current videos that you release even though I'm not very knowledgeable LOL. In terms of bruce's screams and vocalisations, I have a distant memory of a documentary in the UK in the late 80s or early 90s that I came across. In this documentary, I'm sure it was Bruce that talked about how in his terms, he felt that he was slow in movement and that in China, he had come across many people who were faster than him. Now, my memory is shadowy about this next bit but I am sure either the narrator or Bruce himself talked about the voice being "the third master". I have no idea what the first and second masters are. In effect, he felt he needed to learn the art of deception and that the voice provided a means of causing hesitance in the opponent because he felt he needed to compensate for his relative slowness as he saw it. As everyone has said, this may simply be the cover story for his stage presentation but you can see it's application in some of the choreography where The timing in using hissounds demonstrate hesitancy in the on-screen opponent. remembering that Bruce used his films to demonstrate the principles of his style of fighting. Particularly the principle of adaptability and flexibility with incorporating effective techniques. he obviously wouldn't need to use sounds as a training device but it's interesting to know that his vocalisations would work for him personally even though they sound like imitations when someone else tries to use them. Perhaps this is because his vocalisations seem to have intent and direction rather than someone who has not learned to master the voice as a weapon in face-to-face conflict as a defence and offensive decoy. The principal sounds correct given that his approach was to maintain distance and observe movement of the opponent in order to intercept at the most effective time.
Great episode. Thanks for answering my question. Regarding Bruce Lee's war cries, there's an interesting chapter in Steve Kerridge's book Intercepting Fist. Unfortunately there are no page numbers I can direct you to but in the last 3rd of the book there's a chapter called 'Post production construction'. It explains the origins of his war cries. Personally I trust the information in Steve Kerridge's books, but maybe it's worth you taking a look for yourself and could talk about in a future podcast. Look forward to the next episode! Cheers guys 👍
In pak Mei we had a tq that we drop on the floor and do a knee kick or scissor kick that was ground fighting to me at that time!! Of course now I know what ground fighting really is when it is contested!!
Just in the middle of the vid so no idea if that’s gonna come up later but: and now imagine, your time travel itself lead to the idea of a secret style having existed in the first place 😀… full Star Trek Terminator paradox 😅
Great podcast as usual. Just thought I'd comment on the Big Boss ice factory manager. The role was played by the actor Chan Chue and he went on to direct a sequel to the Big Boss that starred Lo Lieh in the lead role. He reprises his role in the sequel but is now the "Big Boss". I guess he was annoyed that his character got forgot about in the first movie haha. Unfortunatley, The Big Boss Part 2 is rarely ever seen and the only recent screening of the movie has been at the New Beverly cinema in LA. Regarding Bruce Lee's war cries, it's strange that nobody would ask him about this in an interview. Seems he started doing them before returning to Hong Kong as you can hear him do them to a lesser degree in The Green Hornet and also in the 1965 screen test when explaining about the animal forms.
I really enjoy listening to these podcasts! Question: For a newbie trying to learn Wing Tsun and looking for a local WT school to train with, what qualities/attributes/red flags would you look for when considering the school?
@@TheKungFuGenius we have the stand still and trap guys we have the super MMA fast blast guys. We have the super deadly finger strikers ..lol it's a Murky world but I always say Gary lam u can't loose with!
Think about it right? Nobody had ever won a UFC fight with a pressure point strike . Stupid idea, cuz if you miss? Not only that, but they don't work..
the “Kung Fu Stuntmen” documentary have a few of Bruce Lee’s stunt men talk about his war cries and said the same thing you said about the cues before the attacks to Bruce..Tight podcast brother.
Those cat-like screams started with his Hong Kong films. Those film were obviously dubbed. So those screams are probably not even Bruce Lee s voice. Even in Enter the Dragon. Because if you watch the Longstreet Épisode, or the 65 screen test his real scream was much deeper and différent. More like Jim Kelly.
Another great episode! A question for an AMA episode. Is there one specific lightbulb moment you can recollect in your training that you've had about your sifu that you took as confirmation that you had made the right choice in your selection of a martial art school and teacher?
Houdini died of a Delayed Din Mak. The boxer got lucky with Houdini's Appendicitis. LOL Internal bleeding after a fight and a delayed death a few days later conspire to make legends of nonsense.
What happened to the Ice Factory Manager? He was probably arrested right aftermost of the organization crumbled in the Thailand police. The prostitutes of the big boss probably told them that the manager was involved with the ice factory and drugs. It's really not a puzzle, and Sifu Alex is right. Usually, old movies like those never had that big of an ending. Remember the movies of Delon Tam, Wang Yu and Wong Tao? Most of them just ends right after they kill the enemy. We're lucky the story of Big Boss had a scene where Cheng Chao-an was arrested.
Hey guys ! What do you think about the WC community's infatuation for ESKRIMA KALI ? I've seen a lot of JJB enthustiats among WC practicionners probably due to the lack of ground fighting techniques in WC but why ESKRIMA and not TKD or Boxing ? May be the Dan Inosanto & JKD héritage ? I have nothing against ESKRIMA ,i'm just curious because i've seen many WC Kwoons with ESKRIMA classes . Yourself,did u try it ? Thanks for your awesome show 💪💪💪
To me Bruce Lee’s war cry was simply expression but I’m glad the question was bought up because it’s been a question I’ve always wondered about but never really gets asked
Hello Richter Sifu...what's your opinion about iWT from GM Kernspecht (the fact that he incorporates I Lik Chuan, TaiChi + Bagua into his Chi Sau to fill up the loss of "internal engine" in Wing Tsun)? Does the WT of GM Leung Ting misses out of internal concepts ? greetings from Belgium
Great episode Alex and Team! Question if it’s not been covered before- what are the best exercises in your opinion to build explosive power in your punches/kicks? Secondly- I really liked the legend of Bruce Lee tv series not only because of Danny Chan’s interpretation, and I thought the fight scenes were pretty good on the limited budget, but it also explored a lot of the philosophical side to Bruce and his struggles. What are your thoughts on the show? How do you rate the opening theme song and Robert Lee’s the ballad of Bruce Lee (which I came across courtesy of the UA-cam algorithm 😄)?
Here's my secret.. the arm leads to the throat on weapons.. and the Chin is impossible to defend when you hit someone's chest n Chin chest n Chin..they block the face we go lower ..they block the chest we move up.. I like to wedge or stop/ intercept, fook bong deng.. and pick a lane, then use the closest hand in to railroad my helping hand right through.. mostly from Quan sao structured attacks high n low or instead n outside..
the Bruce lee war cries were just Bruce personally expressing himself on screen. It stems from the Kai and he developed his own on screen war cries as part of his own on screen fighting, its a trade mark .. these very distinctive cries and screams and noises are inspired by animals as is kung fu . I believe these war cries were only used on film for dramatic reasons .
No one knows about the warcries indeed. But the theories you offer i wouldn't even call theories. None of them address where it came from. It's obvious he did it for theatrical purposes. But how the hell did he come up with the idea of doing cat-noises? It's so original and instantly recognizable that it's strange no one ever thought to ask him in an interview or a personal conversation.
Hi Sifu Alex. Just returning to the Wing Chun Fight Quest topic... Do you have any interest in doing an episode discussing Jimmy's take on the way things went... which points and assessments of his you believe are valid and other places where perhaps he did not have the full picture of events. His video on the topic was very interesting, and he comes of as a rational, level-headed guy. I was just interested in your thoughts about his version of the story.
I did think about doing that for a while after my episode came out. I actually agree with many of his points as well. But honestly I’ve pretty much lost interest on the topic. I’ve discussed it in interviews before and it feels like a dead horse to me.
@@TheKungFuGenius Ok thanks.. Regarding Bruce Lee's screams he didn't dub his movies himself as u know. According to Beerdy Bruce Lee channel some dude dubbed him like that & it stuck.. I don't know tho..
According to Beerdy hahaha. That guy literally makes up fake stories about Bruce Lee. No one who is serious about Bruce Lee should ever say “according to Beerdy”. The guy also pretends to be a former IFC champ with a fake name.
Arrow Video announced Shawscope Vol. 1, a collection of twelve Shaw Brothers movies on Blu-ray including: King Boxer The Boxer from Shantung Five Shaolin Masters Shaolin Temple Mighty Peking Man Challenge of the Masters Executioners from Shaolin Chinatown Kid The Five Venoms Crippled Avengers Heroes of the East Dirty Ho Of these 12, which movies would you keep, and which ones would you kick to the curb?
Hell that's all you need!! I know asked which would you keep and which would you discard..that's a hard question. But, you have to keep 5 Deadly Venoms! After Enter the Dragon 5DV's is the 2nd greatest Martial Arts movie!
@@ctlefler8684 ...well if I just had to and even this would be tough...probably Crippled Masters. I saw it in the movies...I liked it but not as much as the others on your list. Cheers mate 🍺
Hey Alex, I just finished watching the History Channel episode on the death of Bruce Lee. One of the people they interviewed was Bruce's sister, Phoebe. At one point she said, "Bruce was a genius, a kung fu genius". As soon as she said that (and the way she said it) made me burst out laughing because I instantly thought of you. You should get that audio clip and use it in your intro.
I helped arrange the Chan Chee Man interview for that documentary. I also noticed that too! We all had a good laugh about Phoebe's line in Chinese and in English.
@@TheKungFuGenius his recent Bruce projection on the once upon a time movie was also totally crap, unacceptable making Bruce appear kinda dumb, weak and not able to fight ridiculous. Should not be able to do that the worlds great legend.
I’ve always found Alex to be a fair and reasonable journalist and martial artist.. meaning, he really seems interested in Kung fu n does this cuz he loves it.. that’s refreshing. ☕️
Well done again Sifu Alex! :) Go on with your Podcast. You would deserve so much more viewers. I have to admit i respect Joe Rogans podacast because he talks about so many subjects, including "funny" stuff like conspiracy theories about 911, JKF assassination etc., but when it comes to martial arts he is so damn Budo brainwashed, all japanese MA is so damn superior and great, and all chinese MA is BS, thats the buttom line. PS: Even the great Musashi made no deal about how he admired the chinese arts, he even made remarks in his book. He was a huge admirer of Sun Tzu and Laozi. This "be water" quote is actually from Laozi, Musashi took it from him, so did Bruce as far as i know. But Rogan and those brainwashed MMA ppl act like Bruce stole it from Musashi, when in fact Bruce and Musashi took it from Laozi. But Rogan and his buddies like an other Budo guy (Navy Seal Jocko Willink) act always like the original source for the quote is the japanese Musashi, when in fact its the chinese Laozi. So its so great to have an opposide since you report very accurate and correct about chinese martial arts! Contrary to Rogan and his guys, when they talk about CMA 90% is untrue and fabricated. About the war cries: Of course it also just a speculation, but i have also a theory, and it had something to do with Lee's chinese stage name Little Dragon. Those war cries would refer to a roaring dragon. If my nickname as actor would be something with "Dragon", i probably would do something similar as a reference to my nickname. Remember the leading character from WOTD/ROTD was named Tang Lung, Tang his surname, Lung his given name. And the name basically means "China Dragon" or "Dragon from China" (Tang = China / Lung = Dragon). Lee himself created the character and here he did these WHATAAAA cries for the first time. Even in FOF/Chinese Connection they were not the same as in WOTD and ETD. Cheers from Germany PS: And thx very much for bringing Sifu Chan Chee-man in the doc! Those rare interviews with him, Michael Chan Wai-man, Yuen Wah, Ah Bee and 2-3 others were the highlight of the whole thing. The conclusion was so damn silly. I dont understand why even Robert (who is imo a very nice gentleman) cant see a connection between May 10 and July 20, even if Bruce had the same brain swelling...and on May 10 there was not Equagesic.
I read a couple of your books over the weekend. Very enjoyable. New perspectives help us grow. I liked seeing your practical application adjustments in Chum Kiu. I kinda geeked out because I understood the suspenders line reference and why. Awesome content. Your stories are top notch.
Hey Kung-Fu Genius have you ever seen "Kentucky Fried Movie" the section called Fistful of Yen is a spoof of Enter The Dragon. It was funny as shit. Did you realize the Acronym for Kung-Fu Genius "KFG" is similar to Kentucky Fried Movie. No offense but "KFG" can stand for "Kentucky Fried Genius", LOL!
I see a lot of support for BJJ and I agree with it but let's not forget where it came from...Japanese Judo ( which in turn had borrowed it from two notable jujutsu systems of the time). The Brazilians ran with the concept but if you take a look at kosen judo, it will all look very familiar. The advantage judo retained of course, is the throwing. In a street scenario, throwing a guy onto a sidewalk is gonna do more immediate damage than going for a submission. Catch wrestling gets my vote for most useful if you are primarily a traditional stylist with little to no grappling.
Davis Miller might be a good interview. He also did a book on Muhammad Ali. Also Bruce Thomas (Bruce Lee: Fighting Spirit) might be a good interview as well. He's also Elvis Costello's bass player back in the 80s.
Alex Richter , Here's a question for you . What's your opinion on the TV Movie "Shogun" starring Richard Chamberlain ? Was it true to Japanese culture back in the Ming Dynasty days ? Great show by the way and awesome that you show respect to Bruce Lee .
@@TheKungFuGenius It was a TV miniseries in 1980 like Roots, based on a best selling book, and most likely got the ninja boom rolling. At least that's the way I remember it.
Interesting to hear the kung fu rap on ground fighting. My years learning William Cheung's Kung Fu taught me no ground fighting:). Much later I got a purple belt in BJJ, no small thing. Tony Ferguson and Anderson Silva draw from both/multiple art forms. It is perhaps like being a drummer and then learning to play bass, it's a hell of a lot of work learning a new art form. One art form ends where another begins, you probably want to be pretty good at one before you start another.
About the Bruce Lee's Cat-like Screams, I personally don't believe what the stunt guy said but one of the videos I watched on UA-cam having him watching fight scenes and analysing it.. one of the clips was a Bruce Lee fight scene and he said that someone else dubbed over the scream. Again I don't believe that..
If you listen to his screams in Green Hornet and Long Street, those were shot with sound sync, he’s not doing to cat like scream in those, he’s more less just yelling, so I’m wondering if it was real
@@slobjitsu Yes. If you noticed in Fist of Fury was the very first to see Bruce introduce the iconic scream. The fight in the dojo, some part he started off with the scream from what we know he does in the Green Hornet and other earlier western tv series then combined with his new iconic scream. Again with the chef fight scene and the final fight with suzuki after when Bruce throws the nunchaku down to go hand to hand with him.
As far as Bruce Lee's screams go I've heard it suggested it cam from Cantonese Opera. Who can say? But Pressure Points, in a real fight, are useless. How anyone thinks they're going to hit a pressure point, that's the size of a dime, in a Life & Death situation is beyond me. You'll be lucky to remember your training and defend yourself. Lets face it, can you hit your Funny Bone reliably? Can you take someone's reflexes while they're trying to kick you in the face? It's not practical. That's why they taught Combato during the War. You have to use Large Muscle Group movements in a high stress situation. That said, if you want something bordering on mystic, check this out . . . ua-cam.com/video/ncRMrWW5J0Y/v-deo.html
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Thanks for answering my question about Groundfighting in WT/WC. I was just asking myself, if there were some ground positions to pin and hit (ground and pound so to speak) in classical WC. Sorry that my original question wasn´t too precise. Greetings from Germany, Thorsten.
Yet another cracking episode 👏.
Laced with lots of humour.
You're really getting the hang of this podcast lark Mr KFG.
I’m trying! Thanks for your encouragement.
Some of Lee's Seattle students claimed that Bruce was taught at least a few of the screams by Fook Yeung. Fook was in the Cantonese Opera and that is where he apparently learned some of these vocalizations. What we do know is that during his 1965 screen test, Bruce performed some of his screams during the presentation of forms (e.g., Crane, Tiger) taught to him by Yeung. It's important to remember that every genius builds upon their inherent gifts by learning from others. Examples include Lee learning Jujitsu joint locks from Wally Jay, Judo throws from Hayward Nishioka, and wrestling/grappling techniques from Gene Lebell. Speaking of geniuses, the 18 year old Bruce Lee added the backfist (e.g., ball and socket backfist) to his Jun Fan Gung Fu system and by the time he was 20 years old, he had incorporated 2 additional backfists (e.g., hinge backfist, the big backfist) into his fighting system.
Actually, the techniques Bruce performed during his screen test were the ones he learned from Siu Hon Sang shortly before leaving Hong Kong. The vocalizations he used were still different from the battle cat screams he (or his dubber) “did” in films later.
The Lee warcries theory is interesting indeed. Danny Inosanto said that Bruce was only exhailing or heavy breathing during sparring. But we hear Bruce's original screams during 1965 20th Century Fox screen test as well as during The Green Hornet episodes, Ironside or Longstreet. The Big Boss was dubbed all the way (including warcries that came from his other movies) but during that time Bruce was experimenting with his vocals. You can hear on a one of the tapes of his audio recorder that he could easly mimmick vinyl jam sounds. He also did some cat cries when he was test filming Dan Inosanto and Wu Ngan down from his Cumberland Rd. house balcony in 1972. In my opinion he wanted his fight choreography not only look cool but also have some unusual sound effects. He surely was unique. Great podcast Alex.
Great insights
Right.. heavy bag or wall bag.. deflect hard but under control
Sifu Alex, thanks to you and your crew for helping my start my Kung Fu journey. Your sensible and insightful show really helped kindle an interest in Chinese martial arts, which I had very mistakenly thought to have been more for show and less for application. How wrong I was!
Initially I had hoped to find a Wing Chun school near me, but since there are none I could find, I checked out a Northern Praying Mantis school nearby and could not be happier with it. Definitely a bright spot in my week!
My question follows my search for books about Northern Mantis. I discovered a book called Seven Star Praying Mantis Kung Fu, and was surprised to find that the author is none other then Leung Ting.
Did you happen to have any contact with the style via Leung Ting or anywhere else? You smartly warned against mixing systems in an earlier show, but I'm curious if the two systems of Wing Chun and Northern Mantis might have some overlap in techniques or general concepts. They both seem to be attacking, aggressive styles but beyond that, I'm too new to Kung Fu to really assess much.
Again, thanks for your insightful show, and sorry about the lengthy question. I tend to write on about things. You and your crew do fantastic work, please keep it up!
Thanks for your great comment! Happy to have helped you in your journey. Since the 1970’s, Sifu Leung Ting had his own book publishing company. In addition to publishing books on his own art of WT, he published books on a number of styles outside of his own through his company. This included Lee Kam Wing’s Mantis book. You have to imagine that many Sifu in Hong Kong may be great at their style but not have the abilities to publish or write a book. And that is where LT came in to help them out. I do have some friends in the northern Mantis style, both from LKW and from the Chan Pui lineages. Many Chinese martial arts will share certain characteristics, while being quite different in many other points. Southern praying mantis, which is a completely unrelated style to Northern mantis, is much closer to WT.
@@TheKungFuGenius Thanks for the quick and complete explanation. I'm looking forward to the next show!
Nice episode! Bruce’s war cries are a mystery, but presumably his wife must have asked him what the heck he was doing when she heard them for the first time. I read a theory that they were derived from the vocals used in Cantonese Opera which, of course, Bruce was very familiar with.
Hey guys ! Love your show,it's getting better and better. I have a theory about the Bruce Lee screaming topic: it could be only a dubbing actor effect , when you compare the Mandarin & the cantonese soundtracks ,the screams are totally différents. I believe Lee's flicks were shot mute (except ETD)
I think that might be a big part of it as well!
Kyusho - Dim-mak ect. is based on TCM meridians system. That system is used bought in the east and the west with great succes. People have been operated on with only needles as anesthesia, So there is something there that science is looking at. I don`t say 5 point exploding heart is real. But kyusho and acupuncture is real, they are based on the same system and there are alots of evidence for that. Alle the best to you guys - You are doing a great job with your Podcast. Love them :D
Ill ask bob wall and Dan inosanto about his creams in the movie. You should have a interview with them while they are still here.
A really interesting episode to listen to while I was running!
From what I heard, Bruce Lee did not come up with his infamous shouts till Fist of Fury. I agree that though Bruce might not've used it IRL, he sure made them theatrical, and memorable in the movies.
Very dope episode!!
Thank you
Hey..hey....take it eeasy🤣🤣
Hahaha
great podcast. I am sure that the original UK VHS release of Big Boss had the saw to the head scene. I need to check my UK DVDs. I must watch Revenge of the Ninjas.
hello again chaps,
I know this video is a fair time ago as well as that one I answered a week or so ago (smile). This video came up on the UA-cam recommendation. I've decided to subscribe so that I might offer thoughts on current videos that you release even though I'm not very knowledgeable LOL.
In terms of bruce's screams and vocalisations, I have a distant memory of a documentary in the UK in the late 80s or early 90s that I came across. In this documentary, I'm sure it was Bruce that talked about how in his terms, he felt that he was slow in movement and that in China, he had come across many people who were faster than him.
Now, my memory is shadowy about this next bit but I am sure either the narrator or Bruce himself talked about the voice being "the third master". I have no idea what the first and second masters are.
In effect, he felt he needed to learn the art of deception and that the voice provided a means of causing hesitance in the opponent because he felt he needed to compensate for his relative slowness as he saw it.
As everyone has said, this may simply be the cover story for his stage presentation but you can see it's application in some of the choreography where The timing in using hissounds demonstrate hesitancy in the on-screen opponent. remembering that Bruce used his films to demonstrate the principles of his style of fighting. Particularly the principle of adaptability and flexibility with incorporating effective techniques.
he obviously wouldn't need to use sounds as a training device but it's interesting to know that his vocalisations would work for him personally even though they sound like imitations when someone else tries to use them.
Perhaps this is because his vocalisations seem to have intent and direction rather than someone who has not learned to master the voice as a weapon in face-to-face conflict as a defence and offensive decoy.
The principal sounds correct given that his approach was to maintain distance and observe movement of the opponent in order to intercept at the most effective time.
No happy ending because of Dim Mak😝😅
Exactly hahaha
Those are not screams, they are dragon sounds :-) lol
Great episode. Thanks for answering my question. Regarding Bruce Lee's war cries, there's an interesting chapter in Steve Kerridge's book Intercepting Fist. Unfortunately there are no page numbers I can direct you to but in the last 3rd of the book there's a chapter called 'Post production construction'. It explains the origins of his war cries. Personally I trust the information in Steve Kerridge's books, but maybe it's worth you taking a look for yourself and could talk about in a future podcast. Look forward to the next episode! Cheers guys 👍
Thanks for the tip, I’ll take a look.
I came here for the ninjas but now we find all sorts of Di Mak death touches from the Hitachi Magic Wand. Martial arts really is an Amorous Adventure
Amazing thread of nonsense
In pak Mei we had a tq that we drop on the floor and do a knee kick or scissor kick that was ground fighting to me at that time!! Of course now I know what ground fighting really is when it is contested!!
Just in the middle of the vid so no idea if that’s gonna come up later but: and now imagine, your time travel itself lead to the idea of a secret style having existed in the first place 😀… full Star Trek Terminator paradox 😅
Mind blown
Love this one.. the video did 2300 views in a few hours
Had Bruce Lee lived, imagine the success he could have had with a series self-defense videos.
you clearly don't know how little money there is in instructional videos... or at the very least how SHORT TERM that little money is.
Great podcast as usual. Just thought I'd comment on the Big Boss ice factory manager. The role was played by the actor Chan Chue and he went on to direct a sequel to the Big Boss that starred Lo Lieh in the lead role. He reprises his role in the sequel but is now the "Big Boss". I guess he was annoyed that his character got forgot about in the first movie haha. Unfortunatley, The Big Boss Part 2 is rarely ever seen and the only recent screening of the movie has been at the New Beverly cinema in LA.
Regarding Bruce Lee's war cries, it's strange that nobody would ask him about this in an interview. Seems he started doing them before returning to Hong Kong as you can hear him do them to a lesser degree in The Green Hornet and also in the 1965 screen test when explaining about the animal forms.
Thanks for that info
What is the difference between gau jin sau from biu tze compared to gau jin sau from wooden dummy form ?
Great question!
Hey Alex sifu, I hope you are well. What are a few WC/WT books you recommended, outside of your own, for practitioners to read? Thank you!
Great question!
I really enjoy listening to these podcasts!
Question: For a newbie trying to learn Wing Tsun and looking for a local WT school to train with, what qualities/attributes/red flags would you look for when considering the school?
1. Do you like the school and the vibe? 2. Answer #1 again.
Good question
@@TheKungFuGenius we have the stand still and trap guys we have the super MMA fast blast guys. We have the super deadly finger strikers ..lol it's a Murky world but I always say Gary lam u can't loose with!
Think about it right? Nobody had ever won a UFC fight with a pressure point strike . Stupid idea, cuz if you miss? Not only that, but they don't work..
The cat calls? Ask Linda.
Lol
the “Kung Fu Stuntmen” documentary have a few of Bruce Lee’s stunt men talk about his war cries and said the same thing you said about the cues before the attacks to Bruce..Tight podcast brother.
Thank you! It’s a great documentary!
Those cat-like screams started with his Hong Kong films. Those film were obviously dubbed. So those screams are probably not even Bruce Lee s voice. Even in Enter the Dragon. Because if you watch the Longstreet Épisode, or the 65 screen test his real scream was much deeper and différent. More like Jim Kelly.
No don't hit it with full power no . In application yes. Use force . But on the jong ..just use enough required as to save economy overall .
Another great episode!
A question for an AMA episode.
Is there one specific lightbulb moment you can recollect in your training that you've had about your sifu that you took as confirmation that you had made the right choice in your selection of a martial art school and teacher?
Great question!
Houdini died of a Delayed Din Mak. The boxer got lucky with Houdini's Appendicitis. LOL Internal bleeding after a fight and a delayed death a few days later conspire to make legends of nonsense.
Absolutely
What happened to the Ice Factory Manager?
He was probably arrested right aftermost of the organization crumbled in the Thailand police. The prostitutes of the big boss probably told them that the manager was involved with the ice factory and drugs. It's really not a puzzle, and Sifu Alex is right. Usually, old movies like those never had that big of an ending. Remember the movies of Delon Tam, Wang Yu and Wong Tao? Most of them just ends right after they kill the enemy. We're lucky the story of Big Boss had a scene where Cheng Chao-an was arrested.
Absolutely agree!
Hey guys ! What do you think about the WC community's infatuation for ESKRIMA KALI ? I've seen a lot of JJB enthustiats among WC practicionners probably due to the lack of ground fighting techniques in WC but why ESKRIMA and not TKD or Boxing ? May be the Dan Inosanto & JKD héritage ? I have nothing against ESKRIMA ,i'm just curious because i've seen many WC Kwoons with ESKRIMA classes . Yourself,did u try it ? Thanks for your awesome show 💪💪💪
Thanks for the question
Have you seen the trailer for New York Ninja? Restored ninja movie from 1984😁, thank you
I have not, but you are one of many people suggesting that I watch it. I think it’s a sign!
To me Bruce Lee’s war cry was simply expression but I’m glad the question was bought up because it’s been a question I’ve always wondered about but never really gets asked
Great comment
Hello Richter Sifu...what's your opinion about iWT from GM Kernspecht (the fact that he incorporates I Lik Chuan, TaiChi + Bagua into his Chi Sau to fill up the loss of "internal engine" in Wing Tsun)? Does the WT of GM Leung Ting misses out of internal concepts ? greetings from Belgium
thanks for your question.
Great episode Alex and Team! Question if it’s not been covered before- what are the best exercises in your opinion to build explosive power in your punches/kicks?
Secondly- I really liked the legend of Bruce Lee tv series not only because of Danny Chan’s interpretation, and I thought the fight scenes were pretty good on the limited budget, but it also explored a lot of the philosophical side to Bruce and his struggles. What are your thoughts on the show? How do you rate the opening theme song and Robert Lee’s the ballad of Bruce Lee (which I came across courtesy of the UA-cam algorithm 😄)?
Great questions!
Here's my secret.. the arm leads to the throat on weapons.. and the Chin is impossible to defend when you hit someone's chest n Chin chest n Chin..they block the face we go lower ..they block the chest we move up.. I like to wedge or stop/ intercept, fook bong deng.. and pick a lane, then use the closest hand in to railroad my helping hand right through.. mostly from Quan sao structured attacks high n low or instead n outside..
the Bruce lee war cries were just Bruce personally expressing himself on screen. It stems from the Kai and he developed his own on screen war cries as part of his own on screen fighting, its a trade mark .. these very distinctive cries and screams and noises are inspired by animals as is kung fu . I believe these war cries were only used on film for dramatic reasons .
thanks for commenting.
So which of BL' s 3 movies(Big boss, Fist of Fury, Way of the Dragon) was actually dubbed with his real voice in cantonese? Just wondering...
None!
@@TheKungFuGenius So which of the films would actually carry BL's iconic cat scream? Only in Enter the Dragon?
That would seem to be the case. This is a good question for Steve Kerridge
@@TheKungFuGeniusThank You again Sifu Alex!
Why does Drisan always have TimeCop questions
The world may never know.
No one knows about the warcries indeed. But the theories you offer i wouldn't even call theories. None of them address where it came from. It's obvious he did it for theatrical purposes. But how the hell did he come up with the idea of doing cat-noises? It's so original and instantly recognizable that it's strange no one ever thought to ask him in an interview or a personal conversation.
Agreed.
Hi Sifu Alex. Just returning to the Wing Chun Fight Quest topic... Do you have any interest in doing an episode discussing Jimmy's take on the way things went... which points and assessments of his you believe are valid and other places where perhaps he did not have the full picture of events. His video on the topic was very interesting, and he comes of as a rational, level-headed guy. I was just interested in your thoughts about his version of the story.
I did think about doing that for a while after my episode came out. I actually agree with many of his points as well. But honestly I’ve pretty much lost interest on the topic. I’ve discussed it in interviews before and it feels like a dead horse to me.
I truly believe if mma had no rules the ground game would be cut short!!
Not if the guy is a good grappler
Oh yeah btw! Do you know if Leung Ting ever meet Bruce Lee & if so did he have any stories?
They saw each other twice at functions in Hong Kong, but no real stories to tell.
@@TheKungFuGenius Ok thanks.. Regarding Bruce Lee's screams he didn't dub his movies himself as u know. According to Beerdy Bruce Lee channel some dude dubbed him like that & it stuck.. I don't know tho..
According to Beerdy hahaha. That guy literally makes up fake stories about Bruce Lee. No one who is serious about Bruce Lee should ever say “according to Beerdy”. The guy also pretends to be a former IFC champ with a fake name.
Arrow Video announced Shawscope Vol. 1, a collection of twelve Shaw Brothers movies on Blu-ray including:
King Boxer
The Boxer from Shantung
Five Shaolin Masters
Shaolin Temple
Mighty Peking Man
Challenge of the Masters
Executioners from Shaolin
Chinatown Kid
The Five Venoms
Crippled Avengers
Heroes of the East
Dirty Ho
Of these 12, which movies would you keep, and which ones would you kick to the curb?
That’s a pretty solid selection, was contemplating getting it myself. Great question.
Hell that's all you need!! I know asked which would you keep and which would you discard..that's a hard question. But, you have to keep 5 Deadly Venoms! After Enter the Dragon 5DV's is the 2nd greatest Martial Arts movie!
@@kelvendyson1508 nice! Any you would kick out?
@@TheKungFuGenius I think it's a good place to start, and it give them room for future volumes.
@@ctlefler8684 ...well if I just had to and even this would be tough...probably Crippled Masters. I saw it in the movies...I liked it but not as much as the others on your list. Cheers mate 🍺
Hey Alex, I just finished watching the History Channel episode on the death of Bruce Lee. One of the people they interviewed was Bruce's sister, Phoebe. At one point she said, "Bruce was a genius, a kung fu genius". As soon as she said that (and the way she said it) made me burst out laughing because I instantly thought of you.
You should get that audio clip and use it in your intro.
I helped arrange the Chan Chee Man interview for that documentary. I also noticed that too! We all had a good laugh about Phoebe's line in Chinese and in English.
@@TheKungFuGenius Do you remember when that episode was filmed? I presume last year?
started last year
Such a good episode! Some things you touched on have me scrolling back now to watch all the videos I've missed.
Glad you enjoyed it!
War cries ?.🤣 you mean theatrical action movie .
Did you watch watch the video?
For those interested, QT got the five point palm exploding heart technique from the Gordon Liu classic “Fist of the White Lotus”.
Still managed to ruin a good thing.
@@TheKungFuGenius That’s what he does best!
@@TheKungFuGenius his recent Bruce projection on the once upon a time movie was also totally crap, unacceptable making Bruce appear kinda dumb, weak and not able to fight ridiculous. Should not be able to do that the worlds great legend.
Great podcast thanks SG & SH.
Thanks for listening
I’ve always found Alex to be a fair and reasonable journalist and martial artist.. meaning, he really seems interested in Kung fu n does this cuz he loves it.. that’s refreshing. ☕️
Much appreciated.
Well done again Sifu Alex! :)
Go on with your Podcast. You would deserve so much more viewers. I have to admit i respect Joe Rogans podacast because he talks about so many subjects, including "funny" stuff like conspiracy theories about 911, JKF assassination etc., but when it comes to martial arts he is so damn Budo brainwashed, all japanese MA is so damn superior and great, and all chinese MA is BS, thats the buttom line.
PS: Even the great Musashi made no deal about how he admired the chinese arts, he even made remarks in his book. He was a huge admirer of Sun Tzu and Laozi. This "be water" quote is actually from Laozi, Musashi took it from him, so did Bruce as far as i know.
But Rogan and those brainwashed MMA ppl act like Bruce stole it from Musashi, when in fact Bruce and Musashi took it from Laozi.
But Rogan and his buddies like an other Budo guy (Navy Seal Jocko Willink) act always like the original source for the quote is the japanese Musashi, when in fact its the chinese Laozi.
So its so great to have an opposide since you report very accurate and correct about chinese martial arts! Contrary to Rogan and his guys, when they talk about CMA 90% is untrue and fabricated.
About the war cries:
Of course it also just a speculation, but i have also a theory, and it had something to do with Lee's chinese stage name Little Dragon. Those war cries would refer to a roaring dragon. If my nickname as actor would be something with "Dragon", i probably would do something similar as a reference to my nickname.
Remember the leading character from WOTD/ROTD was named Tang Lung, Tang his surname, Lung his given name. And the name basically means "China Dragon" or "Dragon from China" (Tang = China / Lung = Dragon).
Lee himself created the character and here he did these WHATAAAA cries for the first time. Even in FOF/Chinese Connection they were not the same as in WOTD and ETD.
Cheers from Germany
PS: And thx very much for bringing Sifu Chan Chee-man in the doc! Those rare interviews with him, Michael Chan Wai-man, Yuen Wah, Ah Bee and 2-3 others were the highlight of the whole thing.
The conclusion was so damn silly. I dont understand why even Robert (who is imo a very nice gentleman) cant see a connection between May 10 and July 20, even if Bruce had the same brain swelling...and on May 10 there was not Equagesic.
Great comment!
I read a couple of your books over the weekend. Very enjoyable. New perspectives help us grow. I liked seeing your practical application adjustments in Chum Kiu. I kinda geeked out because I understood the suspenders line reference and why. Awesome content. Your stories are top notch.
Thank you so much! Appreciate all the support!
Ninja Story LOL!!!!!!!!! Thumbs up!
Most of the best stories are somehow ninja based hahaha. Thanks for supporting.
Looking forward yet again Mr KFG!
Can't beat a ninja nonsense story!!
Agreed!
Awe man.. brutal.. ninjas 😎
Only a ninja can kill a ninja.
@@TheKungFuGenius that sounds like hot nonsense from UA-cam!!😁
Hey Kung-Fu Genius have you ever seen "Kentucky Fried Movie" the section called Fistful of Yen is a spoof of Enter The Dragon. It was funny as shit. Did you realize the Acronym for Kung-Fu Genius "KFG" is similar to Kentucky Fried Movie. No offense but "KFG" can stand for "Kentucky Fried Genius", LOL!
I have seen that movie, and occasionally make many references to some of the jokes in it with my friends. Thanks for commenting!
I see a lot of support for BJJ and I agree with it but let's not forget where it came from...Japanese Judo ( which in turn had borrowed it from two notable jujutsu systems of the time). The Brazilians ran with the concept but if you take a look at kosen judo, it will all look very familiar. The advantage judo retained of course, is the throwing. In a street scenario, throwing a guy onto a sidewalk is gonna do more immediate damage than going for a submission. Catch wrestling gets my vote for most useful if you are primarily a traditional stylist with little to no grappling.
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Got my like in already!🤩☝️
Curious, how much mantis Kung fu have you looked into, and if so, did you see the similarities between wing chun and let’s say, mantis or dragon.
Great question!
Davis Miller might be a good interview. He also did a book on Muhammad Ali. Also Bruce Thomas (Bruce Lee: Fighting Spirit) might be a good interview as well. He's also Elvis Costello's bass player back in the 80s.
Alex Richter , Here's a question for you . What's your opinion on the TV Movie "Shogun" starring Richard Chamberlain ? Was it true to Japanese culture back in the Ming Dynasty days ? Great show by the way and awesome that you show respect to Bruce Lee .
Hello Bill. I have not seen that Shogun movie you speak of. I will have to check it out. Thank you for your kind comments.
@@TheKungFuGenius It was a TV miniseries in 1980 like Roots, based on a best selling book, and most likely got the ninja boom rolling. At least that's the way I remember it.
Interesting to hear the kung fu rap on ground fighting. My years learning William Cheung's Kung Fu taught me no ground fighting:). Much later I got a purple belt in BJJ, no small thing. Tony Ferguson and Anderson Silva draw from both/multiple art forms. It is perhaps like being a drummer and then learning to play bass, it's a hell of a lot of work learning a new art form. One art form ends where another begins, you probably want to be pretty good at one before you start another.
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About the Bruce Lee's Cat-like Screams, I personally don't believe what the stunt guy said but one of the videos I watched on UA-cam having him watching fight scenes and analysing it.. one of the clips was a Bruce Lee fight scene and he said that someone else dubbed over the scream. Again I don't believe that..
If you listen to his screams in Green Hornet and Long Street, those were shot with sound sync, he’s not doing to cat like scream in those, he’s more less just yelling, so I’m wondering if it was real
thanks for commenting.
@@slobjitsu Yes. If you noticed in Fist of Fury was the very first to see Bruce introduce the iconic scream. The fight in the dojo, some part he started off with the scream from what we know he does in the Green Hornet and other earlier western tv series then combined with his new iconic scream.
Again with the chef fight scene and the final fight with suzuki after when Bruce throws the nunchaku down to go hand to hand with him.
@@TheKungFuGenius thank you for your valued time to make these quality videos!
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As far as Bruce Lee's screams go I've heard it suggested it cam from Cantonese Opera. Who can say? But Pressure Points, in a real fight, are useless. How anyone thinks they're going to hit a pressure point, that's the size of a dime, in a Life & Death situation is beyond me. You'll be lucky to remember your training and defend yourself. Lets face it, can you hit your Funny Bone reliably? Can you take someone's reflexes while they're trying to kick you in the face? It's not practical. That's why they taught Combato during the War. You have to use Large Muscle Group movements in a high stress situation. That said, if you want something bordering on mystic, check this out . . . ua-cam.com/video/ncRMrWW5J0Y/v-deo.html
I had it on vhs but now gone
Had what on VHS? (I talk about a lot of stuff in this episode).