ODYSSEY AI-ONE REVIEW // Is This The Biggest Revelation In Putter Technology We've Ever Seen?
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
- Fresh from their trip to Texas last week for the Odyssey AI-One launch event, Mike and Ian go in depth into the new putter and see how this new technology really fares against the Classic Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Putter.
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Tried a few of these milled ones at the local golf shop....Super Impressed with them!!! Cost is a thing, but if you love spending money on golf equipment, the new Odyssey milled putters are legit
I haven't bought a putter in over 10 years. Been using an older Odyssey 2-ball for years. I tried these yesterday and immediately bought the #7 milled....after a fitting...amazing putter!!
A 2 ball in the navy & gold would be absolute class
I got fitted the other day for this putter and it felt amazing. It was the last one I tested and felt so much better than the others I tried.
Still have my OG 2 ball, just re-gripped it and still love it. Because I’m a gear junky, I just got the AI #7 so we shall see if I love it
Just fitted for this putter. Upgraded to a carbon shaft. This thing feels so nice. I was surprised how much better it felt than the rest.
Thanks for review. I’ve BBQ’d too many rounds this year and going to LHL. Was researching the milled version of these putters. The 7T CH is in bag for it’s interview starting tomorrow am.
Would love to see the boys both do a PLD fit!!
I believe it was Rahm they said would have went from 20th in putting to 8th with the potential improvement from the Ai Rossi.
Cool clubs did an interesting robot test on these... It actually does seem to provide some legit improvements to dispersion.
They tested it against a Scotty...which isn't exactly a forgiving putter
@@GRIFF22 the point is it's blade vs blade.
@@zacharymilos392 Blade putters are known to have low MOI. You would want to stack this against maybe a Maltby PTM-4 blade which is on the higher side of the MOI-in-a-blade
package.
Total weight is important here too. Simply adding 20 grams to your head weight will shoot your MOI up a bit. There's a reason the Jailbird is 380g.
@@bigboigolfthey did a second video using the mallet version of the AI-ONE matched against another Odyssey mallet. Smaller differences than blade vs blade, but still significantly tighter distance dispersion.
Are you guys familiar with the fitting place and youtube channel Cool Clubs? They set up a robot to hit putt the exact same every time, they found out the drop off between center and off center hits for this new AI face was 1/3rd of the standard face. It was something like 6 inch difference in a regular face and just 2 inches on this AI face.
Nice vid. Would love to see this same test over 30 to 40 feet. That’s maybe the end of three-putting we should be looking at for consistent roll tech.
I realized over this season that it was time to upgrade the Odyssey Rossie with the stronomic insert that I have used forever because I was playing on faster greens and my feel/speed was all over the place. After testing 8-10 putters, I opted for the OG White Hot Rossie DB and switched to a Sweet Rollz oversized grip. I honestly had a hard time being consistent and feeling contact with the Tri-Hot, Versa, Scotty, Cleveland HB and TM putters using my ball of choice and coming from a very firm insert. I am a feel and pace putter and the OG White Hot was exactly what I was looking for-
At a recent fitting I tried some white hots, some Scotty Camerons these and a TM Spyder. When he put the Ai One Milled Three T S in my hand, it was like a bolt of lightning hit me. I sunk every putt in the store except one and the telemetry showed near tour-level consistency. The Camerons didn’t even come close. I bought it on the spot.
I had a putter fitting in September at Club Champion and since then I’ve been working a ton so I’ve only played 5 rounds or so with it: Shot my career best yesterday and my handicap is down a full stroke. This technology works and it’s absolutely essential to utilize it
More consistent distant control on off center hits is great assuming you judge correct distance and aren’t standing directly over the ball hitting nearly perfect center every time
I’d like to see a robot comparison to the Evenroll line, including left/right dispersion, as the Evenroll robot tests are very impressive.
You're never going to get any sort of robot testing from these guys, what it would show is that this is another putter around the 25 oz-in^2 MOI putter that literally everyone has been making for 30+ years. Just like you're never going to see them ever put these "forgiving" golf clubs they love talking about on a robot test like Cool Clubs did (and spoilers: "Forgiving" golf clubs aren't forgiving at all).
Do these putters come with adjustable weights so you can change the head weight? Sure. Could you theoretically mix and match toe/heel weights to mess with the toe hang? Also sure. Problem is: Everyone else is doing that or already did it.
The reason you see a lot of people gravitating towards half mallets, mallets, and even things like the LAB, are because the MOI of those putters is like 30-40+ oz-in^2.
They look nice though, shame they changed the weight shape to force people into buying new weight kits, but that's par for the course for Odyssey.
@@bigboigolf how does MOI work in putters if the face tech is already correcting the variation at impact?
@@simmi352 The face tech IS MOI. What you'll notice is that these putters are 355-360g head weight, similar to the Tri-Hot 5k (5000g-cm^2 or 27.3 oz-in^2), whereas the Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2 is 340g. When 2 objects collide, the collision will convert the mass and velocity of the striking object into both velocity and spin of the impacted object. The more deviation between the 2 centers of mass, the more that ball speed will be converted into backspin, and you'll notice a sensation of wiggling when the impact is off center.
This same principle applies in regular golf clubs btw, with a term you're familiar as a ratio called Smash Factor, which is related to loft presented at impact relative to the path of the object on approach.
When an object distributes its mass further away from its center of mass, its MOI increases, which requires more force to rotate an object about its axis. In this case, the USGA regulates MOI on the XX axis, or Face Turning Left or Right. The USGA does not regulate MOI on the axis of rotating the face pitching up and down, nor rolling toe up/heel down and toe down/heel up. Mostly because it's generally pointless.
Anyways, the more mass an object has (such as NP2 340g vs this at 355g), the higher its MOI value is, and upon impact of unfavorable conditions, the less ball speed loss will occur. Keep in mind the AI One's claims is this, verbatim:
"*Ai-ONE Urethane delivers putts up to 21% closer to the hole from 32’ and Ai-ONE Milled up to 7% closer compared to a Scotty Cameron® Super Select Newport 2.
Based on robot testing with a 15 point face map."
This means, if we took a random bad putt from 32 feet, and lets say the NP2 had a remaining feet to the hole of say 5 feet, the AI One Urethane AT MOST would be at 3.95 or 4 feet. The deviations as the putts are shorter get larger apart and may be considered to be impossible. As the distances get shorter, the practical effects of these claims aren't worthwhile (Example: 1 foot vs 0.79 feet).
Keep in mind this is the LARGEST value of the set of mishits, with the milled being UP TO 7% closer on SOME mishits, with both AI putters being 15 - 20g heavier and supposedly having a better MOI. That's the whole point of "Up to". Notice how they did not use Average or Median, and did not specify which impact location produced the results, nor how far away from the CoM it was. In putting, if you're more than 3/4" away from the CoM toe or heel (which is the max deviation from 20+ handicappers), the putt will be awful. If you putt inside of 1/2" of CoM (Tour and Scratch players are around 5/32"), then the MOI will be almost irrelevant (Because you're hitting very close to the CoM and having a high quality strike).
You'll also notice that Odyssey is not comparing their AI One claims about their technology vs the Tri-Hot 5k flagship product from last year, and they have to target a particular blade putter model (Blade Putters, by definition, have a lower MOI because their physical bounding box frame is smaller). to make these claims.
It's not that they aren't correct, it's that, realistically, it doesn't matter when you have an actual semi-competent putting stroke.
If you're actually concerned about MOI for putters, you'd be playing a heavy 360+g mallet head, and not a blade putter. Or... just learn how to hit a putter, not exactly hard.
You have to decide if this fringe technology that can be beaten by simply heavier weights is worth $300/$450 MSRP. Those of us in the technical realm know these claims come out of extremes and, quite frankly, ridiculous comparisons.
After all, Odyssey doesn't have to be honest about their self-testing and has not and will not ever release the data.
@@simmi352 Oh by the way, I forgot to add: Fun fact, most blade putter Center of Mass isn't on the sight-line, it's a tid bit more heel-side. Very common in NP2/Anser styles (I have an NP2 clone in CAD) and even the Del Mar is heel side.
Would I worry about it? Nope! I'd stick to focusing on my putting stroke, and if a putter doesn't feel good, I'd replace it with a different head style where the toe-hang matches up more with how I actually consistently putt.
@@simmi352The face tech is supposed to keep the impact ratio/smash factor consistent across the face so you don't leave it short if you toe it or heel it a bit.
MOI relates to direction/resistance to twisting. They did Odyssey no favors here - Odyssey claims the milled version isn't as good as the insert version wrt to the variable face tech. Also, Mikey picked a blade shape that twists a lot on toe hits. A mallet shape with the insert is objectively better in consistency of both speed and direction.
I dont think putter technology matters as much as sightline "technology" to give your brain an accurate read on line and pace you might need. This is why I custom ordered a Taylormade Spider putter as they are the ONLY ones Ive seen that have the big fat "T" alignment line that works WONDERS with my brain.
I tried every putter in the store but I still couldnt beat the mind muscle connection of using that sight line all those years ago in store, but they bloody discontinued the thing EXCEPT in custom order. So I got it and it was 1000% even better than before lol. Now I believe they brought it back (ofc they did 🙄).
If I were to guess, probably because I think their new designs simply dont visually help as much as the Spyder selections did, or thats my theory anyway.
Mechanical testing was done, and it had 1 inch dispersion on toe and heel, compared to a premium milled putter, with over 8 inches of hole distance.
Just wish they would provide sight line options on their putters.
still nothing better than the OG OG white hot putter. Just something about the insert feels diffy. been using white hot #7 forever.
white hot insert shouldn't feel that good compared to milled face but for some reason i prefer it over the milled faces (scotty, toulon, etc)
@@TheZombieeeeeee same. This may just be placebo but I honestly feel the OG white hot is better than the current white hots. Even though they are the same insert I feel like the original is better
Did you try the non milled?! Much stronger ball speed claims than the milled!
I don't think i've ever been this early to a video. Nobody tell my boss lol.
Your secret is safe with us Zack!
for years been saying stroke lab shaft too light. what do you know. raised it 20 grams...feels much better.
Would definitely love to see a comparison between Ai-one and Tri hot 5k!
Me too! Can’t decide between these two. Going back and forth w/the 7. Both are excellent, much better than my old 2 ball.
The digs are so good
Interesting to see how these compare to Evnrol and Taylormade true roll tech
Mike, you say you’re going to bring this to your specs and change the grip. What happens with the stroke lab shaft’s balance when you change the grip? The Odyssey grip is 76g. Can you give the details on what you do if the new grip you install is heavier (or even if it’s lighter) than the stroke lab. I think everyone would benefit from knowing the answer to this. Because if we bring to someone to change the grip, they aren’t doing anything to the shaft and are just changing the gripping
Mike, take a look at Pre Impact accel data. Looks pretty good overall 👌
Thank you for the test. From what I understand, the length of the put...those from 25' or longer will be the areas where this new AI putter start to show its effectiveness.
Quintic testing on the AI One putters?! instant Like
Rocking a jaibird 380 with white hot invert I set for awhile
I always go back to my NP2 I bought a versa 7 a few months ago and I like it but tend to blast the putts past the hole I have better speed control with my NP2 I would like to try one of these new ones as well .. brand new Versa for sale haha
I have a competitive junior son who won a Scotty Cameron putter in a contest. He had rolled the odyssey Ai1 milled at the store and loved it but I wasn't ready to spend that much fir a putter. Would you say this Ai1 had legit technology that would help it 'perform' better than the Scotty? Or is this all 'marketing' talk? Wondering if Scotty expense is mainly in name, though obviously beautiful putters. He also likes the alignment line on the top line. Thinking about swapping the Scotty for the Ai1 milled. any feedback is appreciated!
I feel that "hitting a few in a golf store" was aimed at me. lol
Of course their gonna say go get fit
Gave the video a like just for the sly comment on Mike's putting 😂
Any news on if/when you guys will review the new Mizuno irons?
Imagine how many more majors Jack and Tiger would have won with this technology…
I’ll wait until Ai 5 comes out.
Damn! Mikey always getting roasted!! lol
Bring back the Works insert Odyssey!
is this more significant than the lie angle balance approach?
I’m sure this is a great putter but with all due respect, we already know what the best putter is for toe hits an miss hits. It’s the Lab Direct Force. It’s not even really close to be honest.
Is that the one that looks like the thing you used to put your foot in years ago at the shoe store to determine what size shoe you needed?😅😅😅
So, the Scotty was about the same, then? Honestly, a tiny sample, hard to draw any conclusions I would think. This new Odyssey looks very nice, though!
Yes if you get them free
In conclusion, heres a very expensive putter with minimal tech improvements. Genuinely that was painful to watch 😢
nice
It's insufferable how brands are jumping on the marketing bandwagon by pushing AI like it's this magical thing which markedly improves the product. It's to the point where 'Designed by AI' is virtually meaningless. To base the entire product range under the AI name is hilarious - guessing they'll look back and cringe at themselves in the not too distant future. Taylormade and Callaway continue to cement themselves as marketing companies, and as a golfer who doesn't renew clubs every season it makes them easy to avoid.
I completely agree. I don't think they'll look back though. Seems very much a forward thinking marketing company. Very much like Gore of Gore-Tex - there's only so much repackaging you can do every year once patents have ran out. There's certainly not a large increase in gains for putters year in year out.
I'm sure for certain golfers who need it, the tri-hot putters might be better than certain ping anser models from 50 years ago.
Mikey in his aunt pants
Have you guys heard of a new putter? It’s called lock-N-roll ? it might make a good test
done deal ordering right now..... curent gamer is a tri hot 5k double wide with the stability one shaft
Technology isnt gonna help u read greens, start the ball on line, and get perfect distance. Practice might get u closer though. There will never be a game changing putter
This exactly! Still gonna read the line and speed
putting spin on your putts? Wouldn't the goal be totally neutral ?
just bought one. oddly they are kinda head heavy...i bought china weights to adjust. dislike the std odyssey grips, so add 30$ immediately. also odyssey std 35" is always about 1/2 short of every other 35". Anyway hit every putt of front nine, several bombs. nice to have white hot with face texture again. flat putter face in winter golf no bueno.
What i don’t understand is that pros and amateurs use the same putters and both can benefit from clubs that loose less speed of misshits … so why won’t pros use irons etc that do the same ? Ego ?
If a club can give a pro 20 more yards and less loss of mishits why not use it?
Because pros are shaping shots and trying to manipulate the ball, amateurs are just trying to keep it on the course and hit it as far as possible
This is as much snakeoil as snow is white. Nothing in the world, and definitely not AI, will steer that putt towards the hole if it would have that kind of exit angle.
Steve Stricker would have loved this. He putts like 2 inches out of center, and he is a pretty good putter, statistically.
If you practice use a blade, if you don't use a mallet.
~Brad Faxon
Seems a bit of a stretch trying to find anything from an 8 foot straight putt off a blade putter. I’m sure they’re nice putters but the amount of hype to sell putters that are fundamentally the same as the 5 previous versions tells you everything.
@@FF04RDF Pace and distance control are more important. With a blade a guy should have better results, from a distance, than with a heavy mallet. If he practices of course.
All this tech and still miss if you can’t read the green .
Agree snake oil, Odyssey missed fitting an anti-covid grip.
They feel nice but for scotty price? Idk they’re trying to be TP Reserve
Checking out putter reviews and misreading greens. I need a caddie not a damn putter.
No amount of technology will fix a bad or inconsistent stroke lol. It's hilarious that so many amateurs think that buying a $500 putter will magically make them hole more putts. You wanna be a better putter? Practice.
Yea you make a great point but we look good having it in the bag😐😐😐
Just another putter… AI buzzes really well, not sure if it makes that much of a difference for the new putter.
Try making a rap video with Biden without AI! It is absolutely necessary!
@@Gays4TrumpWho Buck Fiden?
@@billyunair yes that one!
@@Gays4Trump I like the Buck Fiden A.I. short that has him talking about his severe incontinence and need for adult diapers. Him and Hunty may have created a money laundering operation to fund his diaper empire.
According to that A.I. clip.
The price is ridiculous.
You spent the beginning of the video saying the milled is better while Odyssey says the AI-ONE is better by like 13%....🤔
$500 after tax... ouch
Looks like 'alone'
"one player" named Scottie "can't putt' Sheffler.
Ai-one jailbird?..... Callaway making it Rain baby!💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵
EVNROLL….
Who ate the bottom of your pants?
How many shots will it take off your score? Zero.
Probably still play persimmons and complain about anything over 6000 yards.
Depends on how well you read speed and hit center of putter. If it prevents a dreaded three putt or two per round that’s note worthy
@@jameskeen3321 "If"
i THINK THIS ai CRAP IS BEING USED TOO MUCH FOR MARKETING, Not much has changed in the way they make clubs, design them, produce them, My main question is how do they say AI created this putter? surely engineers have by now have the scope to know where the weight can be , how much room they have, material used, not much has changed in terms of design, blades and mallets. Ai has been around for 25 plus years, Is it just a marketing tool to get people excited to buy "new tech" does this putter really drop more putts?
I'm not sure I've seen anyone claiming it will make people hole more putts. Just more consistent ball speeds.
id need to see data on that. @@nategage3312
Exactly, they’ve been doing simulations for years but AI is the new hip thing
Still gotta read the line and hit the ball
Constant speeds means more putts holed, it’s science. Did you get the jab?