I’ve tested a lot of putters in the store and have owned 5 putters. Including the one I was fitted for. Being fitted is a good thing so you can see your tendencies. However I also learned at the end of the day, you could put the ball in the hole almost every time at your fitting. But things change once it touches grass. If you can’t read slope change on greens, get the green speed down, have greens that are in really good condition…you won’t just be making putts all of a sudden just because you got fitted. So overall, go get fitted sure,but you don’t NEED to. All you really need is to find a putter you like the look/ feel that makes you confident.
I played a center shafted putter for a while (Cleveland Huntington Beach Soft 10.5C) and had some success. I eventually just found it didn’t suit my eye (found myself wanting to hit it out of the toe) and changed to a single bend mallet (Odyssey Versa Twelve) and haven’t looked back. Nothing wrong with a center shaft putter if it works for ya. But they are ugly 😁
Ian is a strokes gained guy - can tell he cringed at the “drive for show putt for dough” line but now wasn’t the time for that rabbit hole! Nice video gents
Maybe you guys could do a video on different sight-lines and how that affects alignment. Seems like a lot of people use flange lines which probably doesn't fit most people's eye.
The new ping putters have the different colour shades and sight lines which would be great to compare against a standard newport to see how much difference they make.
It’s 100 % Indian. Not arrow. Brad faxon can putt well with anything he touches. Soft shaft hard shaft blade mallet doesn’t matter. He won’t be making any more putts bc of this that’s a fact.
@@rmiller1041 general specs make it easier sure. But when u start talking about launch conditions in this small of a category you may as well forget it. I’ve spent hours and hours with the best players and coaches in the world Phil Kenyan Butch harmon Claude harmon brooks koepka Dustin Johnson Gary woodland Steve Elkington and the list goes on and on. I’m telling you now it’s 99.9 percent Indian. Cam smith will out putt you 100 times out of 100 while using a putter 4 inches too short with 3 degrees too much loft and a lie angle 6 degrees off. And so would every other great putter. Why do u think putting stats Havnt changed since 1950s? Less than 1 stroke had changed on the pga tour in that time frame and the green conditions have been GREATLY improved. There’s a reason strokes gained is the same today as it was then when they had no idea how much loft was good lie angles were everywhere shafts were wooden swing weight was non existent. Thinking what he just did is going to change his putts per round long term is the only idiotic thing in this thread. I’m a fan of using it not saying that I think it’s great to understand your patterns and tendencies etc. but it’s not getting the ball in the hole. Would u change Steve strickers putter specs since the heel of off the ground and it’s far from ideal and would have red numbers on quintic? Lots of GREAT putters on tour have terrible numbers.
@@jwild5360I understand the sentiment but you're describing extreme outliers. Tiger can play the most unforgiving irons on the market. That doesn't mean game improvement clubs don't help the average golfer. OF COURSE the best of the best can use anything. They'd quickly adjust to make an ill-fitting club work, but that doesn't mean optimization can't improve a normal player's results. That being said, I'm deeply pro-change minimization with putters unless you have a TON of practice time. So I agree with you in the sense that you may have compensated over years to your eyes being too inside because of a lie angle too flat (just to take one example). Getting a "perfect fit" could make you worse unless you're patient enough to train away bad habits, which most people aren't.
This is great. I would love to see more putter videos in the future. For how small and simple the putting stroke seems there seems to be infinite variations of putters, more than any other club. The conversation about loft is interesting as i found increasing loft for me helped me make more putts and hit my lines soo much better. Adding loft also helped my alignment as the face didnt always look open. Keep putter videos coming!
The Jailbird in this video in Ian’s hands is the perfect putter for Bermuda greens. On grainy greens, you need the ball to get up on top of the grass quickly then roll. Too low launch on grainy greens will grab the grass more and may cause it to bounce or wiggle in the first 12-18”. On less grainy/tighter grass greens such as bent or poa, you want a lower launch to reduce skid and produce the optimum roll.
The one part of my game that is excellent is putting. Years ago I went to Orlando for an all day lesson at Mike Bender's academy including a 9 hole playing session and SAM lab. Was putting "lights out" that day, when we did the SAM evaluation it became clear as to why. I had almost zero cut/hook spin... Feel that I am pretty in tune with my putting and can tell that days when I am missing it it's usually because I am not giving it enough loft and putting spin on the ball. That little "skid" is going to equal to missing it right or left depending on my face delivery AND the grain in the green and or slope. It's not that much of a difference but "not that much" can be the difference between making a putt and lipping it out or being short. I have found that I can be off a little bit with the left or right alignment (talking 1/2 a degree) but combine being off 1/2 a degree plus the ball skidding in the wrong direction and you will miss putts. I prefer putting with a Ping PLD answer or a Scotty T22 Fastback 1.5. When I am a little off and getting a little skid in the ball I tend to switch out to a Callaway #7 forged/milled with a micro hinge insert. That insert takes off some (not all) of the skid and bad reaction on those days. The problem that I have with that putter is for me its too much "forward spin" for days where I am putting great and delivering the putter to the ball what I consider "neutral" for my optimal strike. Glad you guys put out this video because it's 100% spot on to what I have experienced. Again and like you said... the differences are small but that small difference can be the difference between making 10 footers and just missing them.
It’s amazing they made putts 50 years ago before all this data. If it makes so much difference why have average putts per round not changed it 100 years?
Love the video! I have found that an old Sam Snead "pay-off" putter works best for me. That's right...an ugly metal version of the rubber two-way putters you use at mini putt golf courses. 😂
That was great. Felt like you only scratched the surface. I’ve been toying with the tri-hot a little as well. I have a blade and a mallet. Makes me want to go grab one and have an honest go.
I got fitted at a CC using this tech. Wonderful and truly eye opening. And when you get the right one it’s magic. In my case it was the LAB or the Evnroll Zero. I went with the zero due to feel off the face and more consistent speed than the LAB. Both types are lie angle balanced.
I’ve got the odyssey white hot 7 bird with the stroke labs shaft and have been loving it. Feel like the white hot insert has been the smoothest especially with speed control
Great video Ian and Mike! I’d love for you guys to cover the different face options. I just finished my full bag fitting at my local Club Champion (fantastic experience btw!) and selected a Scotty Cameron Phantom X 11.5. I’ve been putting with Ping Anser putters for the last 30 years - started with a traditional cast, then moved to an isopur 2, and then to a Dale Anser vault 2.0 with a milled face. After trying several of the putters that have the polymer inserts, I concluded, they were just too soft for me and I couldn’t feel the face… not a surprise, since I’ve been putting with a milled putter for a few years. What did surprise me were all of the milled patterns/methods being used across brands and how the patterns dictated firmness, acoustics, etc… lots of factors went into the putter I chose, but evaluating the different face materials and milling patterns was something I really enjoyed.
I learned so much about putting from this review. Would like to see you out on the course to see how much transfers to your playing or just go to your local golf course and do the reviews from different locations on there practice greens
Hey Ian & Mike! Well done on this vid! Rolling the dots of it Fras! Fantastic insight into your putting fitting process! I would love to see a videos comparing the launch conditions of putters with different CG locations and the importance of electing the correct grip size depending on the style of putter head! Thanks in advance 🤝
I have a big align problem, since Odyssey never offer Jailbird for leftys, I put an extension in my versa seven dB extending it from 35" to 38" along with a 15" winn grip 124g. First round playing 9 holes I had 12 putts, im a 14hcp. Im more upright, my eyes comes further back and I see my line and aim more clearly. Lefty with left eye dominance, this helped me. Still want a jailbird though..
I love the data and all the fancy machines, but it can definitely lead to paralysis by analysis. So much of putting is feel and reading greens. It’s great to check your numbers for any flaws from time to time, but if you get lost in the numbers you limit you won’t develop the feel you need to putt your best.
How do bobby grace putters do on the forward spin here? I didn't think you could have too much immediate forward spin, but it makes perfect sense that this wouldn't be great on bermuda or slower greens.
I recently switched to no line on the ball set up AND no practice strokes. As a result I’ve also found this style of play works best with a blade. It’s totally intuitive and I don’t worry about making a perfect stroke.
I used the iPing app with a mount I designed and found on average my putting is stats are considered a 5 hdcp as a current 17 hdcp overall. I went from using a odyssey two ball blade to using a ping blade.
Again another Home Run Boys..... Thanks for this putting and putter input... Coincidentally I have been going through the same dilema as Ian this season, my blade has wandered a bit this year and 2 weeks ago went to the Odyssey OG Whitehot #7 Bird.. Pleasantly surprised by it and like the smaller head profile, putts that were not falling are going in again, it is walking the walk. I would recommend this putter to anyone looking for a great putter... soooo far... Search for the "Holy Grail' goes on....
Would be great to see the data on strokes saved by advances in putter tech over the last 20 years vs. strokes saved by tech advances in wedge iron, woods, or drivers. I suspect a top performing putter from 20 yers ago is about as good as the best from today.
Can you release the video on the new shaft option fitting in the Champion’s Choice? I have the CC Newport 2+ and also feel the shaft is too soft. My alternate gamer is a Odyssey Double Wide Stroke Lab which is stiffer and counterweighted. I think you alluded to doing the same recipe for the CC. Thanks!!
I want to see a video with some of the top end putter shafts compared to a stock putter on quintek. Stability shaft La golf. Accura. Would be good to see if these are worth the cost
another great video! would love to see a video explaining the different face inserts/milling and if they had any difference in roll or if it's really just personal feel!
Absolutely LOVE the subject, but surely it should be Blade versus Mallet, rather than Newport? If you're using model names, then it has to Anser, IMO. Do we think we'd ever get a Newport without an Anser?
Love this video . Massive information that helps. Would love for you to do same test outside for a longer distance where you need a longer swing to see distance control on miss hits
Wouldn't mind a video that shows more about speed / distance control. I had great numbers with a mallet putters in terms of face control but somehow lose it in turns to distance control on the greens.
I played the triple track Ten 2 ball and loved it for alignment but noticed that I would almost get jumpers with that micro hinge face. My pace control wasn’t great. I moved into the Mizuno OMOI blade with the plumbers neck (I forget the number they call it) and my putting has never been better! My pace control is unbelievable. My misses are very small and in 12-18” radius of the hole. I don’t think I’ll switch out of it for a long time. Maybe for the LA Golf Bel Air but, the sound of that putter is awful. Very clicky I’m super happy with the Mizzy.
So is the future of putters gravitating towards adding more and less weight in the heel or toe to better suit a players stroke, meaning different weights or no weights at all to accommodate a players stroke?
I was always pretty decent at putting, or so I thought, had a putter fitting a few years ago on the Quintec system. Came away with a Ping Tyne 4, always used blade putters before. My putting stats for this year are, 1.81 per hole, 32.67 per round. If i could only get more G.I.R's, it's total rubbish at only 30%, I'm sure I could get my handicap down, it's 15 at the moment.
Question to be answered, there’s a club champion a few hours away from me in Washington, I need driver shaft fitting for my TSR3 are they the same as you guys fitting wise ?
do you think that a putter that feels more stable and produces more confidence but has a worse delivery would be better than a putter with a near perfect delivery of the head that led to confidence issues putting
One thing I noticed that Ian didn't really say anything about - going to the stability Tour also seems to help his shaft angle at impact, probably aiding launch, and his face at impact seems to move less. Do stock putter shafts really "kick" that much?
Love this content. I pre-ordered the jailbird 380 at 38 inches with the micro hinge insert, website is saying to be shipped 2nd week of September. I’ve been on Quintec at 2ndSwing with my SCOTTY phantom X9.5 and I was launching it too high and had the loft lowered to 2 degrees with a slight forward press it was rolling great. Hopefully I’ll be able to get the launch under 2.0 degrees with the Jailbird with a good forward roll. will need to get down to 2ndswing again and try it out
@@bigdrews366 no. I’m 5 foot 5 1/2 and I pre-ordered mine at 38 inches. It was hitting me in the gut. when I went to 2ndSwing in Delaware I had them cut it down 2 inches to 36 inches and it’s perfect. I told him I wanted to add a weighted plug in the grip end. The key was to add extra weight so it remains counterbalanced even though the standard super stroke grip 17 inches is 92g. He found a 50 g plug weight and he wrapped two or three strips of lead tape around it so it fit snug into the butt end.
Guys, nice content! I am interested in what you oppinion about putter shafts like BGT Stability shaft or LA putter shafts. Can you make content about different putter shafts? Try to check the data. Thanks guys and let me know. Peter
could you change the weights on the bottom of the putter to try and dial out some of the toe hang whihc may be leading to the open face with the scotty ?
Would love to see how counterbalancing the shaft (weight in the grip) affects the putt. I like a large heavy grip, it works for me, but I don’t know why.
Carpet movement was an issue. Would like to hear more about why the jailbird was so bad, because it seemed to have so many pluses. Show us that push pull data for the jailbird as well.
Do like this tech stuff thnx a lot. Like to try things myself, switched lately from flatcat (with 40 grams weight in the handle) to heavier P2 Reflex Tour grip putting grip now....feels with the pencil grip very well and giving me more face angle control somehow imo. I'm playing a Ping Sigma Tyne 4 green dot. What do you think about grips like the P2 grip or Evenroll if I'm right where the shaft is angled in different ?
Are you guys also a believer in playing a putter that suits your eye even if there is another option that performs better? I personally think if you have a club you like then you will be more patient with it and more willing to practice to make it work.
Half of golf Especially putting is confidence. If you don’t have a putter you like looking at and rolling you’re not going to roll the rock well. Same if you were to have a sports car with great performance but didn’t like the look/feel of it. You wouldn’t want to drive it.
It’s hard to question the greatness that is the man, but Scotty needs to come around on alternate shaft options. Stability and especially LA are substantially better options than steel.
Hey Guys!! Loving the feedback on our testing in the putter studio. Leave a like 👍🏼 on this video and let me know what topics you want us to cover next.
Putter-wise, I wouldn't mind seeing the effect on stroke with the heavy and lighter steel shafts, and the new array of graphite putter shafts. How the balance point feels with shaft compared with head weights and counter weights.
Hey Ian! Do you believe Stability putter shafts are the best in the market and your favourit? Very tempted to invest in one and eliminate the stepless steel shaft in my Scotty Newport 2.5
Too bad there’s no where close to me that could fit me into a putter like you guys could. I’m a +6 handicap, but getting clubs that truly fit me would take me to that next level
@@socalgolf9978 huh! The shaft is what connects your hand to the club head. So you’re saying that a shaft could be made of any material, and it wouldn’t matter? You’d make just as good of a stroke no matter shaft weight, and no matter the flex point, and no matter the size- diameter or length? Really???
100% love this channel and consider Ian to be as good as it gets when it comes to fittings. But shaft deflection on a putter. Nah, sorry, dont think it matter much. I doubt Ben Crenshaw wouldve holed more putts if he had had a stiffer shaft for 400 dollars in his little ben putter!
The wake up call for me when it came to putter shaft deflection was when talking to Dr Paul Hurrion he said he couldn’t even get his test robot to deliver the putter the same way twice with the soft steel shafts. The facts are the facts, the shaft really matters.
@@ianfrasergolf ok, maybe Im just an idiot, it happened before 😆. Btw: since youre always so helpful. What would be a good ball for a 95mph driver swing. Into out club path, not the highest launcher?
got fitted for a ping anser after being a mallet user for 10 years and i have now purchased a mallet again thats not been fitted putting is all about what suits your eye and less about numbers
I’d love to see how Ian would like the Link 1 putter. Being a blade but balanced in a different way.
I’ve tested a lot of putters in the store and have owned 5 putters. Including the one I was fitted for. Being fitted is a good thing so you can see your tendencies. However I also learned at the end of the day, you could put the ball in the hole almost every time at your fitting. But things change once it touches grass. If you can’t read slope change on greens, get the green speed down, have greens that are in really good condition…you won’t just be making putts all of a sudden just because you got fitted. So overall, go get fitted sure,but you don’t NEED to. All you really need is to find a putter you like the look/ feel that makes you confident.
Would love a video on center shafted putters vs. other hosel designs
Ian just puked in his mouth
Centre shafted putters are a monstrosity
I played a center shafted putter for a while (Cleveland Huntington Beach Soft 10.5C) and had some success. I eventually just found it didn’t suit my eye (found myself wanting to hit it out of the toe) and changed to a single bend mallet (Odyssey Versa Twelve) and haven’t looked back.
Nothing wrong with a center shaft putter if it works for ya. But they are ugly 😁
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Ian is a strokes gained guy - can tell he cringed at the “drive for show putt for dough” line but now wasn’t the time for that rabbit hole! Nice video gents
Maybe you guys could do a video on different sight-lines and how that affects alignment. Seems like a lot of people use flange lines which probably doesn't fit most people's eye.
The new ping putters have the different colour shades and sight lines which would be great to compare against a standard newport to see how much difference they make.
I watched a few of David Edels videos on this - really surprising how much he says front and rear lines affect aim .
Would love to see the LAB putters: DF, Mezz, Mezz Max, Link
I've recently been testing new putters and believe you really can't tell how well it performs until you get it outside on the grass.
100% accurate imo
It’s 100 % Indian. Not arrow. Brad faxon can putt well with anything he touches. Soft shaft hard shaft blade mallet doesn’t matter. He won’t be making any more putts bc of this that’s a fact.
@@jwild5360 that’s idiotic. Everyone performs better based on their specs. That’s why you get fit.
@@rmiller1041 general specs make it easier sure. But when u start talking about launch conditions in this small of a category you may as well forget it. I’ve spent hours and hours with the best players and coaches in the world Phil Kenyan Butch harmon Claude harmon brooks koepka Dustin Johnson Gary woodland Steve Elkington and the list goes on and on. I’m telling you now it’s 99.9 percent Indian. Cam smith will out putt you 100 times out of 100 while using a putter 4 inches too short with 3 degrees too much loft and a lie angle 6 degrees off. And so would every other great putter. Why do u think putting stats Havnt changed since 1950s? Less than 1 stroke had changed on the pga tour in that time frame and the green conditions have been GREATLY improved. There’s a reason strokes gained is the same today as it was then when they had no idea how much loft was good lie angles were everywhere shafts were wooden swing weight was non existent. Thinking what he just did is going to change his putts per round long term is the only idiotic thing in this thread.
I’m a fan of using it not saying that I think it’s great to understand your patterns and tendencies etc. but it’s not getting the ball in the hole.
Would u change Steve strickers putter specs since the heel of off the ground and it’s far from ideal and would have red numbers on quintic? Lots of GREAT putters on tour have terrible numbers.
@@jwild5360I understand the sentiment but you're describing extreme outliers. Tiger can play the most unforgiving irons on the market. That doesn't mean game improvement clubs don't help the average golfer.
OF COURSE the best of the best can use anything. They'd quickly adjust to make an ill-fitting club work, but that doesn't mean optimization can't improve a normal player's results.
That being said, I'm deeply pro-change minimization with putters unless you have a TON of practice time. So I agree with you in the sense that you may have compensated over years to your eyes being too inside because of a lie angle too flat (just to take one example). Getting a "perfect fit" could make you worse unless you're patient enough to train away bad habits, which most people aren't.
This is great. I would love to see more putter videos in the future. For how small and simple the putting stroke seems there seems to be infinite variations of putters, more than any other club. The conversation about loft is interesting as i found increasing loft for me helped me make more putts and hit my lines soo much better. Adding loft also helped my alignment as the face didnt always look open. Keep putter videos coming!
The Jailbird in this video in Ian’s hands is the perfect putter for Bermuda greens. On grainy greens, you need the ball to get up on top of the grass quickly then roll. Too low launch on grainy greens will grab the grass more and may cause it to bounce or wiggle in the first 12-18”. On less grainy/tighter grass greens such as bent or poa, you want a lower launch to reduce skid and produce the optimum roll.
Great video as always! I’d like to see your thoughts and opinions on L.A.B. putters!
Definitely agree with this!
I got a champs choice 2.5+ and it is my fave of all time!!!
The one part of my game that is excellent is putting. Years ago I went to Orlando for an all day lesson at Mike Bender's academy including a 9 hole playing session and SAM lab. Was putting "lights out" that day, when we did the SAM evaluation it became clear as to why. I had almost zero cut/hook spin... Feel that I am pretty in tune with my putting and can tell that days when I am missing it it's usually because I am not giving it enough loft and putting spin on the ball. That little "skid" is going to equal to missing it right or left depending on my face delivery AND the grain in the green and or slope. It's not that much of a difference but "not that much" can be the difference between making a putt and lipping it out or being short. I have found that I can be off a little bit with the left or right alignment (talking 1/2 a degree) but combine being off 1/2 a degree plus the ball skidding in the wrong direction and you will miss putts.
I prefer putting with a Ping PLD answer or a Scotty T22 Fastback 1.5. When I am a little off and getting a little skid in the ball I tend to switch out to a Callaway #7 forged/milled with a micro hinge insert. That insert takes off some (not all) of the skid and bad reaction on those days. The problem that I have with that putter is for me its too much "forward spin" for days where I am putting great and delivering the putter to the ball what I consider "neutral" for my optimal strike.
Glad you guys put out this video because it's 100% spot on to what I have experienced. Again and like you said... the differences are small but that small difference can be the difference between making 10 footers and just missing them.
It’s amazing they made putts 50 years ago before all this data. If it makes so much difference why have average putts per round not changed it 100 years?
Great stuff gentlemen. Would like to see some differences between stock data in a blade putter and stability shaft in same head
Love the video! I have found that an old Sam Snead "pay-off" putter works best for me. That's right...an ugly metal version of the rubber two-way putters you use at mini putt golf courses. 😂
That was great. Felt like you only scratched the surface. I’ve been toying with the tri-hot a little as well. I have a blade and a mallet. Makes me want to go grab one and have an honest go.
I got fitted at a CC using this tech. Wonderful and truly eye opening. And when you get the right one it’s magic. In my case it was the LAB or the Evnroll Zero. I went with the zero due to feel off the face and more consistent speed than the LAB. Both types are lie angle balanced.
I’ve got the odyssey white hot 7 bird with the stroke labs shaft and have been loving it. Feel like the white hot insert has been the smoothest especially with speed control
Just switched from a toe hang blade (played 15 yrs) to the face balanced versa #7 and immediately noticed an improvement.
Great video Ian and Mike! I’d love for you guys to cover the different face options. I just finished my full bag fitting at my local Club Champion (fantastic experience btw!) and selected a Scotty Cameron Phantom X 11.5. I’ve been putting with Ping Anser putters for the last 30 years - started with a traditional cast, then moved to an isopur 2, and then to a Dale Anser vault 2.0 with a milled face. After trying several of the putters that have the polymer inserts, I concluded, they were just too soft for me and I couldn’t feel the face… not a surprise, since I’ve been putting with a milled putter for a few years. What did surprise me were all of the milled patterns/methods being used across brands and how the patterns dictated firmness, acoustics, etc… lots of factors went into the putter I chose, but evaluating the different face materials and milling patterns was something I really enjoyed.
I learned so much about putting from this review. Would like to see you out on the course to see how much transfers to your playing or just go to your local golf course and do the reviews from different locations on there practice greens
Hey Ian & Mike!
Well done on this vid! Rolling the dots of it Fras!
Fantastic insight into your putting fitting process!
I would love to see a videos comparing the launch conditions of putters with different CG locations and the importance of electing the correct grip size depending on the style of putter head!
Thanks in advance 🤝
I have a big align problem, since Odyssey never offer Jailbird for leftys, I put an extension in my versa seven dB extending it from 35" to 38" along with a 15" winn grip 124g. First round playing 9 holes I had 12 putts, im a 14hcp. Im more upright, my eyes comes further back and I see my line and aim more clearly. Lefty with left eye dominance, this helped me. Still want a jailbird though..
No wonder I missed those short ones last round. It was the awful shaft deflection. 😂
I love the data and all the fancy machines, but it can definitely lead to paralysis by analysis. So much of putting is feel and reading greens. It’s great to check your numbers for any flaws from time to time, but if you get lost in the numbers you limit you won’t develop the feel you need to putt your best.
How do bobby grace putters do on the forward spin here? I didn't think you could have too much immediate forward spin, but it makes perfect sense that this wouldn't be great on bermuda or slower greens.
With the excessive launch, I would love to see you putt with a lab putter with the preset shaft lean
Great video!
Makes me want to bring my putters along for a fitting
would love to see more Putter videos. Great Video. Putters are life.
Love the putting videos! Glad y’all are posting one of these again
I recently switched to no line on the ball set up AND no practice strokes. As a result I’ve also found this style of play works best with a blade. It’s totally intuitive and I don’t worry about making a perfect stroke.
I used the iPing app with a mount I designed and found on average my putting is stats are considered a 5 hdcp as a current 17 hdcp overall. I went from using a odyssey two ball blade to using a ping blade.
Would swapping out the face on the Jailbird fix the problem? Just an idea for Odyssey, maybe time for them to make a putter with a changeable insert 👀
Very interesting guys. I would love to have a Quintic putting session to get those extra fund margins
Again another Home Run Boys..... Thanks for this putting and putter input... Coincidentally I have been going through the same dilema as Ian this season, my blade has wandered a bit this year and 2 weeks ago went to the Odyssey OG Whitehot #7 Bird.. Pleasantly surprised by it and like the smaller head profile, putts that were not falling are going in again, it is walking the walk. I would recommend this putter to anyone looking for a great putter... soooo far... Search for the "Holy Grail' goes on....
Would love to see you guys reveiw the KBS GPS putter shaft, seem to be a popular compeditior towards LA and Stability.
Would be great to see the data on strokes saved by advances in putter tech over the last 20 years vs. strokes saved by tech advances in wedge iron, woods, or drivers. I suspect a top performing putter from 20 yers ago is about as good as the best from today.
Can you release the video on the new shaft option fitting in the Champion’s Choice? I have the CC Newport 2+ and also feel the shaft is too soft. My alternate gamer is a Odyssey Double Wide Stroke Lab which is stiffer and counterweighted. I think you alluded to doing the same recipe for the CC. Thanks!!
I want to see a video with some of the top end putter shafts compared to a stock putter on quintek. Stability shaft La golf. Accura. Would be good to see if these are worth the cost
another great video! would love to see a video explaining the different face inserts/milling and if they had any difference in roll or if it's really just personal feel!
Absolutely LOVE the subject, but surely it should be Blade versus Mallet, rather than Newport? If you're using model names, then it has to Anser, IMO. Do we think we'd ever get a Newport without an Anser?
Great video guys! Would love your view on the FXP ACCRA SHAFTS. Specifically FX P400 as a "budget friendly" stability option.
Love this video . Massive information that helps. Would love for you to do same test outside for a longer distance where you need a longer swing to see distance control on miss hits
Great work boys love to do a putter fit with you . Bit hard if you live in Australia.
Wouldn't mind a video that shows more about speed / distance control. I had great numbers with a mallet putters in terms of face control but somehow lose it in turns to distance control on the greens.
Mikey layin the verbal smackdown on Ian’s putting game 😂
Interesting video. I’ve been gaming the 5k and it’s been good the past couple of months.
Does Ian’s love of the champions choice have anything to do with the colour scheme? 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I played the triple track Ten 2 ball and loved it for alignment but noticed that I would almost get jumpers with that micro hinge face. My pace control wasn’t great.
I moved into the Mizuno OMOI blade with the plumbers neck (I forget the number they call it) and my putting has never been better!
My pace control is unbelievable. My misses are very small and in 12-18” radius of the hole. I don’t think I’ll switch out of it for a long time. Maybe for the LA Golf Bel Air but, the sound of that putter is awful. Very clicky
I’m super happy with the Mizzy.
So is the future of putters gravitating towards adding more and less weight in the heel or toe to better suit a players stroke, meaning different weights or no weights at all to accommodate a players stroke?
thoughts on double wide blades?
This is a great question
Absolutely love my ER2
I have the triple wide and love it. They say it has the same moi as a mallet
Maybe a smaller grip on the CC? No mention of lie angle. Would be curious to know what the CC is at.
I was always pretty decent at putting, or so I thought, had a putter fitting a few years ago on the Quintec system. Came away with a Ping Tyne 4, always used blade putters before. My putting stats for this year are, 1.81 per hole, 32.67 per round. If i could only get more G.I.R's, it's total rubbish at only 30%, I'm sure I could get my handicap down, it's 15 at the moment.
Nice I was thinking more weight in the heal would close that face in the Newport ❤
Does the ball of choice play any part of the fitting for putters?
Question to be answered, there’s a club champion a few hours away from me in Washington, I need driver shaft fitting for my TSR3 are they the same as you guys fitting wise ?
You should try adding weight on the grip butt. That can help moving the handle mover linear affecting the attack angle
do you think that a putter that feels more stable and produces more confidence but has a worse delivery would be better than a putter with a near perfect delivery of the head that led to confidence issues putting
Is there a difference between putters who “bounce” the ball off the putter face rather than try to stroke through the ball?
One thing I noticed that Ian didn't really say anything about - going to the stability Tour also seems to help his shaft angle at impact, probably aiding launch, and his face at impact seems to move less. Do stock putter shafts really "kick" that much?
I spoke about that when I talked about how soft the shafts were in the Champions Choice. I talked about wanting to minimize deflection.
@ianfrasergolf and you felt it helped with not just face deflection but also in helping with shaft lean? Those were sold numbers with the 5k.
Love this content. I pre-ordered the jailbird 380 at 38 inches with the micro hinge insert, website is saying to be shipped 2nd week of September. I’ve been on Quintec at 2ndSwing with my SCOTTY phantom X9.5 and I was launching it too high and had the loft lowered to 2 degrees with a slight forward press it was rolling great.
Hopefully I’ll be able to get the launch under 2.0 degrees with the Jailbird with a good forward roll. will need to get down to 2ndswing again and try it out
I was gonna cut mine down to 38 ,I'm 6'1 ....do you arm lock it 😊
@@bigdrews366 no. I’m 5 foot 5 1/2 and I pre-ordered mine at 38 inches. It was hitting me in the gut. when I went to 2ndSwing in Delaware I had them cut it down 2 inches to 36 inches and it’s perfect.
I told him I wanted to add a weighted plug in the grip end. The key was to add extra weight so it remains counterbalanced even though the standard super stroke grip 17 inches is 92g. He found a 50 g plug weight and he wrapped two or three strips of lead tape around it so it fit snug into the butt end.
Guys, nice content! I am interested in what you oppinion about putter shafts like BGT Stability shaft or LA putter shafts. Can you make content about different putter shafts? Try to check the data. Thanks guys and let me know. Peter
could you change the weights on the bottom of the putter to try and dial out some of the toe hang whihc may be leading to the open face with the scotty ?
What does it mean to have an open face in deliver and a closed face in the strike? Isn’t delivered face angle the strike?
When I putt best, I address the ball from the heal of my Truss TB1 putter
Best putting drill that absolutely dials me in:
10 6' putts to warm up
10 putts left hand only
10 putts right hand only
Back to both hands
Would love to see how counterbalancing the shaft (weight in the grip) affects the putt. I like a large heavy grip, it works for me, but I don’t know why.
You should do a video comparing the jailbird 380 with microhinge vs white hot
Hosels and aim lines on putters as it relates to face angle and perceived aim next.
@4:52 @10:37 eyes are a bit behind the ball, rather than over them, which can impact alignment
I put a superstroke and a 50gram counter weight in my Newport plus and couldn't believe how well I started rolling it.
Last I checked with Scotty they didn’t offer different brand grips or shaft options.
Carpet movement was an issue. Would like to hear more about why the jailbird was so bad, because it seemed to have so many pluses. Show us that push pull data for the jailbird as well.
Do like this tech stuff thnx a lot. Like to try things myself, switched lately from flatcat (with 40 grams weight in the handle) to heavier P2 Reflex Tour grip putting grip now....feels with the pencil grip very well and giving me more face angle control somehow imo. I'm playing a Ping Sigma Tyne 4 green dot. What do you think about grips like the P2 grip or Evenroll if I'm right where the shaft is angled in different ?
very interesting way to go about it.. however... nobody has a straight back and through stoke....
You could take the Jailbird and have Wunder put a White Hot insert in it. Could be the answer.
Are you guys also a believer in playing a putter that suits your eye even if there is another option that performs better?
I personally think if you have a club you like then you will be more patient with it and more willing to practice to make it work.
Half of golf Especially putting is confidence. If you don’t have a putter you like looking at and rolling you’re not going to roll the rock well.
Same if you were to have a sports car with great performance but didn’t like the look/feel of it. You wouldn’t want to drive it.
Can you talk about length on the next putter vid?
Love your content!
Great video guys...⛳️
Would like to see you reshaft and weight the champions choice and see shat ghe new figures are
It’s hard to question the greatness that is the man, but Scotty needs to come around on alternate shaft options. Stability and especially LA are substantially better options than steel.
Wow didn't know too much forward spin was a bad thing 👍
Put a LA shaft in the Scotty. I’m debating about putting one in my 5.5 now that they offer one.
Hey Guys!! Loving the feedback on our testing in the putter studio. Leave a like 👍🏼 on this video and let me know what topics you want us to cover next.
Putter-wise, I wouldn't mind seeing the effect on stroke with the heavy and lighter steel shafts, and the new array of graphite putter shafts. How the balance point feels with shaft compared with head weights and counter weights.
Hey Ian!
Do you believe Stability putter shafts are the best in the market and your favourit? Very tempted to invest in one and eliminate the stepless steel shaft in my Scotty Newport 2.5
Great Video, would love to see you guys reveiw the KBS GPS putter shaft, seem to be a popular compeditior towards LA and Stability.
Imagine having a beautiful Scotty Cameron Champions Choice and considering ditching it because you don’t make putts.. Like it’s the putters fault 😂
We're back baby haha
Putter month? Surely now it's time for round grip vs flat putter grip
You need to try Honu Putters!
Looks like a Mitsubishi putter shaft going into the gamer. Firm medium and soft options
Need to do this - have 3 in rotation & all different toe hang ☘️☘️☘️😂😂😂
So you ended up in the same putter JW, Toulon and Quintic founder fit you into last year. Might make sense to trust your fitter 😂!!!
Be glad to take the Jailbird off your hands!!! what's your price?
That 5k has about as much chance making it in Ian’s bag as I do making the PGA tour.
Maybe a different insert in that jailbird
Need to see Lab Mezz 1 Max vs the rest.
Too bad there’s no where close to me that could fit me into a putter like you guys could. I’m a +6 handicap, but getting clubs that truly fit me would take me to that next level
The stroke lab shaft in most Odysseys could be the single greatest tech for putters in the history of putters.
Lol it’s a shaft it’s not doing anything
@@socalgolf9978 huh! The shaft is what connects your hand to the club head.
So you’re saying that a shaft could be made of any material, and it wouldn’t matter? You’d make just as good of a stroke no matter shaft weight, and no matter the flex point, and no matter the size- diameter or length? Really???
@@socalgolf9978your a knob wake up to yourself,a putter shaft makes a huge difference to how a putter performs
I just got the Scotty Cameron Newport 2+ Buttonback it’s so sexy
100% love this channel and consider Ian to be as good as it gets when it comes to fittings. But shaft deflection on a putter. Nah, sorry, dont think it matter much. I doubt Ben Crenshaw wouldve holed more putts if he had had a stiffer shaft for 400 dollars in his little ben putter!
The wake up call for me when it came to putter shaft deflection was when talking to Dr Paul Hurrion he said he couldn’t even get his test robot to deliver the putter the same way twice with the soft steel shafts. The facts are the facts, the shaft really matters.
@@ianfrasergolf ok, maybe Im just an idiot, it happened before 😆. Btw: since youre always so helpful. What would be a good ball for a 95mph driver swing. Into out club path, not the highest launcher?
got fitted for a ping anser after being a mallet user for 10 years and i have now purchased a mallet again thats not been fitted putting is all about what suits your eye and less about numbers
Ian missed that last one on purpose so we all don't feel too bad 😢