Can confirm, sniping with Ash-12 is weird and interesting. One of the things to watch for: get the range EXACTLY right, the scope zero drifts pretty hard between increments.
6:49 - that is actually realistic and like IRL. Basically, the reason why ASH and VSSK use enormous and very heavy 12.7x55 ammo is that they are subsonic, and the only way to carry damage on subsonic ammo is weight. On supersonic weapons the most of damage comes from speed, but high speed = high drag and that means that bullet damage drops off quick quickly, whereas on heavy subsonic bullet, there is not much speed to speak off, so there is little drag affecting it and they are very capable up-to 300m. Now whereas for supersonic it is drag that limits the range, for heavy subsonic it is gravity which limits the range. They would still hurt further away, but they start to have quite big arc due to gravity... and the bullet acts more like artillery shell rather than bullet.
Very nice explanation. I like to add a few points tho my friend. Damage comes from the kinetic energy which pretty much is the result of velocity and mass. Therefore a "slow" bullet with more mass can have the same kinetic energy as a "fast" bullet with less mass. Pretty much what u said. High speed doesn't always mean high drag either. There are alot of factors that play into drag, especially supersonic speed or the Reynolds number and a non laminar flow. So a supersonic bullet could essentially have less "specific" drag compared to a subsonic bullet. The limiting factor for range is always gravity. In theory the drag is going to reach near 0 with a minimal speed. I'm sorry for my bad English but greetings from a fluid dynamics engineer :D
@@RobinsonHuso94 Yes I am sure you correct. The drag really depends on the shape of the bullet than anything else and therefore both supersonic and subsonic bullets can have same drag coefficient. What I meant to say is that at high speed the resulting drag is what is causing most slow down and less speed = less energy. This is less of an issue for subsonic bullets as they are slow to begin with and most of penetration is achieved by mass anyway, so they are less affected by drag.
Gotta love the absolutely bonkers dmg and pen values in this game. Can we just take a moment to notice that the 5.7 sb193 (62 grain bullet) does more dmg and pen than 5.56 m855 (also a 62 gran bullet) except the m855 is going 3 times faster. Lol if your not a gun person bullet weights are measured in grains. So unless sb193 has some kind of tandem shape charge with a HE backer these numbers are insane.
while you're not wrong about tarkovs jank bullet stats, looking at you 9x39 and 300 black out. in the case of sb193 more damage does make some sense as it is a JHP vs FMJ more pen though, yeah no idea.
Damage IRL is dependant on many factors so smaller round could cause more damage. And Penetration IRL is heavily correlated with speed and weight- the materials play a huge deal as well. I dont think Sb193 is an AP round but if constructed so-it could have similar damage and penetration to m855- the speed and weight arent the only factors
Its been said many times, but, you genuinley make the best Informative Tarkov videos on UA-cam. Anytime Im curious about something I do a search and you've always got a video on it.
glad to see the ASh-12 getting more recognition for how nutty it is, though it makes me more worried it'll get a nerf, or make PS12B even harder to get. It was my gun of choice last wipe, and with high ergo and good reaction time, it is probably one of the best close-mid range guns in the game. I just treat it like a DMR with a panic switch when I'm outside. When I'm inside, it's just total chad time because you can push virtually anything and win. PS12B is great because it does so much damage that even if you are fighting out in the open and you don't get those thorax shots, you're immediately blacking any limb you hit and likely to cause a heavy bleed. The damage spill over from a limb hit is enough to get people into panic mode. Twice this wipe I've been on the receiving end of PS12B where it penetrated through my arm and into my thorax and it leaves you absolutely devastated. It's hard to even fight back when you get hit with the ASh. Phenomenal gun, great fun, I run it loud with the Hera Arms CQB foregrip and make sure to put on a couple iron sights for ergo, and then just slap on a holo sight. I rarely bother to suppress it because it's still going to shatter eardrums when suppressed - main reason I suppress it is for the muzzle flash, but most of the time I'm going loud and proud.
honestly if they nerf the Ash-12 in any way it just shows how fucking brainless BSG truly are lmao. anyone who uses the Ash and has success with it deserves that success tenfold.
This is awesome you put this out today because this is my first full wipe and this morning was my first day running the ash. I like it because I can one tap scavs with one shot so that’s what I have liked about it on my few raids with it
it had to happen at some point, the ash has been my main gun for 2 wipes now, people sleep on it like crazy when its round is in some ways similar to .338 fmj (if it was subsonic, but still), fired semi auto from a snappy 50-60k gun,
i've bought circa 300 rnd of ps12b this wipe all of which at 4'500 rub lol, great vid also, I use the weird space donut grip and remove the handguard because I like the way it looks with that combo
I run my Ash-12 with a suppressor and a magnified holographic. It's a very capable DMR that can be used as an assault rifle in close quarters, and the subsonic ammo makes it surprisingly quiet for such a large round.
i really enjoy the ash as single tap weapon, or with the rsh i have with my .357 and .50 two likely Sidearms for my loadout (i take an sidearm to every raid next to my main gun, mainly to engage scavs or hitten Enemys. Or in emergency situation)
This gun has actually performed one of the best this whipe. It obviously has a weird recoil pattern for leading shots, but if your enemy is in fro t of you a full auto mode of it has an odd recoil pattern in that if you shoot center mass the next shot usually head shots. The only issue I've seen is the massive weight of it if you are actually carrying a respectable amount of 20 round mags, repack and a heavy level 5 armor. Not regen becomes an issue real quick
One thing I'll add on the sniping part, that bullet speed *really* hurts when it comes to a moving target. Since your bullet is so slow shooting at ~290-300 meters the bullet will take an entire second (where as a 900m/s would take a third of that) meaning you need to REALLY lead your shots by a much larger margin which is very difficult at times.
When I'm not really looking for 12b, I find it at ammo spawn locations on maps like Woods and Customs where ammo boxes usually spawn. That's if you don't want to buy it on the flea
When I get down in Tarkov - pissed off... I go right.... *I GET THE WARHAMMER 40,000 BOLTER OUT* Grab the ASH-12 and go around blasting people in DORMS - until I'm dead or no-one is left.
Hey Gigabeef, love your videos as always. This thing about armor always reducing damage, regardless of penetration has made me curious about something. Can M995 with 42 damage one-tap a head with helmet regardless of penetration? What about SSA AP with 38 damage?
At certain ranges no it can't! SS AP even worse. The higher the pen, the less reduction there is so vs a Ulach for example you wouldn't expect much reduction. It's a bit tricky but at around 200m you'll deal sub 35 damage and won't get the kill
i ran a ash12 after buying a few bullets at a time for a week to run with a good amount and magazines were hard to get as well. Not a high level with traders so yea. But it was dog water, i was hitting skavs chest with no armor and with armor and they would soak up 4 and 5 shots at times. Drove me crazy, i blew through all the rounds i brought so quickly having to put so many rounds into skavs. It was one of those raids they just wouldnt stop coming, i think i had 14 killed by the time i died to a pmc when i had to start using a skav weapon
I don't know how you guys, but the cut off top of the screen really bothers me. Author can't properly regulate the screen capture size by default? Or there any other reason behind that?
I have been slumming it with ps12 bc I'm slacking on punisher, I love the mcb barter, 60k rubles and you get the suppressor too, I hope that barter doesn't blow up after this video lol. Fyi irl the ps12a round is supersonic and actually pretty fast. It would be cool if they implemented that to give the round a cool niche as like the long range leg meta round
Considering the gun is so cheap, and the only aviable low tier ammo is the one that has no pen. I wonder if in this level 3 armor world we now live in, it might actually be usefull now. Idk 165 dmg per shot feels like a lot, if you just generously apply that over someone's body that would probably cause some issues.
Biggest downside for me that wasn't mentioned is the weight. The gun and bullets are heavy as shit, basically impossible to not go into a raid overweight with it
2 wipes back I would chill near radar on reserve and pick people off at knights with the ash12. Was it effective? No. Fun and manly giggle inducing? yes.
wait, wait, WAIT. Can we talk about toe tickling with PS12A and a 70% fragmentation chance? That's a 2 shot to the legs half the time, and a guaranteed 3 shot.
Take the Monstrum and set it to 100m - the top of the circle reticule is 50m and the bottom ~140m. Then you just have to remember one set of holds 📐🎯 At night you're shooting way inside 200m anyway.
SR-25 and M1A video next here! ua-cam.com/video/Zn0JrYeukDM/v-deo.html
Video posted 3 minutes ago comment 17 hours ago, are you a wizard too?
@@jake9703 it was on private or unlisted
Sr-25 would be slick
Can confirm, sniping with Ash-12 is weird and interesting. One of the things to watch for: get the range EXACTLY right, the scope zero drifts pretty hard between increments.
dont zero in bro just get good. thats what i heard atleast
I did SBIH with the ASH a couple wipes ago. It was great. That gun sings the siren song of the Chad's and brings ALL the PMCs to the yard.
6:49 - that is actually realistic and like IRL. Basically, the reason why ASH and VSSK use enormous and very heavy 12.7x55 ammo is that they are subsonic, and the only way to carry damage on subsonic ammo is weight. On supersonic weapons the most of damage comes from speed, but high speed = high drag and that means that bullet damage drops off quick quickly, whereas on heavy subsonic bullet, there is not much speed to speak off, so there is little drag affecting it and they are very capable up-to 300m. Now whereas for supersonic it is drag that limits the range, for heavy subsonic it is gravity which limits the range. They would still hurt further away, but they start to have quite big arc due to gravity... and the bullet acts more like artillery shell rather than bullet.
Very nice explanation. I like to add a few points tho my friend. Damage comes from the kinetic energy which pretty much is the result of velocity and mass. Therefore a "slow" bullet with more mass can have the same kinetic energy as a "fast" bullet with less mass. Pretty much what u said.
High speed doesn't always mean high drag either. There are alot of factors that play into drag, especially supersonic speed or the Reynolds number and a non laminar flow. So a supersonic bullet could essentially have less "specific" drag compared to a subsonic bullet.
The limiting factor for range is always gravity. In theory the drag is going to reach near 0 with a minimal speed.
I'm sorry for my bad English but greetings from a fluid dynamics engineer :D
@@RobinsonHuso94 Yes I am sure you correct. The drag really depends on the shape of the bullet than anything else and therefore both supersonic and subsonic bullets can have same drag coefficient.
What I meant to say is that at high speed the resulting drag is what is causing most slow down and less speed = less energy. This is less of an issue for subsonic bullets as they are slow to begin with and most of penetration is achieved by mass anyway, so they are less affected by drag.
Doubling the speed quadruples the drag
Gotta love the absolutely bonkers dmg and pen values in this game. Can we just take a moment to notice that the 5.7 sb193 (62 grain bullet) does more dmg and pen than 5.56 m855 (also a 62 gran bullet) except the m855 is going 3 times faster. Lol if your not a gun person bullet weights are measured in grains. So unless sb193 has some kind of tandem shape charge with a HE backer these numbers are insane.
Ahh yes mhm mhm yeah .
Its a game, so its about balance as well
while you're not wrong about tarkovs jank bullet stats, looking at you 9x39 and 300 black out. in the case of sb193 more damage does make some sense as it is a JHP vs FMJ more pen though, yeah no idea.
@@agentmongoose yeah 300blk pisses me off cause not one of them is subsonic
Damage IRL is dependant on many factors so smaller round could cause more damage.
And Penetration IRL is heavily correlated with speed and weight- the materials play a huge deal as well.
I dont think Sb193 is an AP round but if constructed so-it could have similar damage and penetration to m855- the speed and weight arent the only factors
The ash 12 is my favorite gun because its literally a .50 cal and the sounds it makes when the shells hit the floor is sooooooo good
Its been said many times, but, you genuinley make the best Informative Tarkov videos on UA-cam. Anytime Im curious about something I do a search and you've always got a video on it.
Ha cheers :)
glad to see the ASh-12 getting more recognition for how nutty it is, though it makes me more worried it'll get a nerf, or make PS12B even harder to get. It was my gun of choice last wipe, and with high ergo and good reaction time, it is probably one of the best close-mid range guns in the game. I just treat it like a DMR with a panic switch when I'm outside. When I'm inside, it's just total chad time because you can push virtually anything and win.
PS12B is great because it does so much damage that even if you are fighting out in the open and you don't get those thorax shots, you're immediately blacking any limb you hit and likely to cause a heavy bleed. The damage spill over from a limb hit is enough to get people into panic mode. Twice this wipe I've been on the receiving end of PS12B where it penetrated through my arm and into my thorax and it leaves you absolutely devastated. It's hard to even fight back when you get hit with the ASh. Phenomenal gun, great fun, I run it loud with the Hera Arms CQB foregrip and make sure to put on a couple iron sights for ergo, and then just slap on a holo sight. I rarely bother to suppress it because it's still going to shatter eardrums when suppressed - main reason I suppress it is for the muzzle flash, but most of the time I'm going loud and proud.
honestly if they nerf the Ash-12 in any way it just shows how fucking brainless BSG truly are lmao. anyone who uses the Ash and has success with it deserves that success tenfold.
This is awesome you put this out today because this is my first full wipe and this morning was my first day running the ash. I like it because I can one tap scavs with one shot so that’s what I have liked about it on my few raids with it
Me, a first-wipe noob who would never financially recover from running the Ash-12: "Hmmm yes, very interesting"
it had to happen at some point, the ash has been my main gun for 2 wipes now, people sleep on it like crazy when its round is in some ways similar to .338 fmj (if it was subsonic, but still), fired semi auto from a snappy 50-60k gun,
Thank you for explaining this so well
i've bought circa 300 rnd of ps12b this wipe all of which at 4'500 rub lol, great vid
also, I use the weird space donut grip and remove the handguard because I like the way it looks with that combo
I run my Ash-12 with a suppressor and a magnified holographic. It's a very capable DMR that can be used as an assault rifle in close quarters, and the subsonic ammo makes it surprisingly quiet for such a large round.
Crazy, it always one shots me
As an Ash user myself, anyone who kills me with the Ash automatically gains my respect.
I am convinced this thing was meant to mow down an entire corridor full of ppl irl
Very good summary of the mysterious damage mitigation mechanics!
Ya, just figuring out how to calculate it exactly in a spreadsheet now...
Nice video mate keep it up!
I used this during the labs event, had a great time. Felt like using a 40k bolter in tarkov.
i really enjoy the ash as single tap weapon, or with the rsh i have with my .357 and .50 two likely Sidearms for my loadout
(i take an sidearm to every raid next to my main gun, mainly to engage scavs or hitten Enemys. Or in emergency situation)
How do you test the pen chance with the durability of the armor at 1:04?
Use Veritas' Battle Buddy app for android or iOS
This gun has actually performed one of the best this whipe. It obviously has a weird recoil pattern for leading shots, but if your enemy is in fro t of you a full auto mode of it has an odd recoil pattern in that if you shoot center mass the next shot usually head shots. The only issue I've seen is the massive weight of it if you are actually carrying a respectable amount of 20 round mags, repack and a heavy level 5 armor. Not regen becomes an issue real quick
One thing I'll add on the sniping part, that bullet speed *really* hurts when it comes to a moving target. Since your bullet is so slow shooting at ~290-300 meters the bullet will take an entire second (where as a 900m/s would take a third of that) meaning you need to REALLY lead your shots by a much larger margin which is very difficult at times.
Killed one PMC outside old gas station and the other 2 got terrified and hid xD
every one: Ash-12
me: Semi truck
recently got 12b unlocked and started stockpiling, great timing as always!
When I'm not really looking for 12b, I find it at ammo spawn locations on maps like Woods and Customs where ammo boxes usually spawn. That's if you don't want to buy it on the flea
@@rager1actual43 lol dude are you really gonna go around looking for this ammo?? Judy buy it
@@ayovenom9906 no I dont look for it, what im saying is I find it when im not looking for it
@@ayovenom9906 did you not read his comment lmao
he literally says that he doesn't look for iit he just finds it
Ash has been my favorite gun in tarkov for years!! Love it!
Making me feel good for actually keeping the ones I have found so far
Don't mind me going back into the archive to see what valuable information I can gather ;)
*in the Hulk's voice*
"Hulk SMASH-12!"
When I get down in Tarkov - pissed off... I go right....
*I GET THE WARHAMMER 40,000 BOLTER OUT*
Grab the ASH-12 and go around blasting people in DORMS - until I'm dead or no-one is left.
If the Ash 12 does not at least 1 shot a person and then ricochet to 1 tap his buddy, then it is either desync or hacks. Facts!!! ;)
Hey Gigabeef, love your videos as always.
This thing about armor always reducing damage, regardless of penetration has made me curious about something.
Can M995 with 42 damage one-tap a head with helmet regardless of penetration? What about SSA AP with 38 damage?
At certain ranges no it can't! SS AP even worse. The higher the pen, the less reduction there is so vs a Ulach for example you wouldn't expect much reduction. It's a bit tricky but at around 200m you'll deal sub 35 damage and won't get the kill
all I ran last wipe was ash 12 even the lower tier rounds are good just hip fire it up close the fire rate to damage is just godly
Imagine running Ash-12 instead of Rsh-12 and not having "Big iron" blasting on repeat.
i ran a ash12 after buying a few bullets at a time for a week to run with a good amount and magazines were hard to get as well. Not a high level with traders so yea. But it was dog water, i was hitting skavs chest with no armor and with armor and they would soak up 4 and 5 shots at times. Drove me crazy, i blew through all the rounds i brought so quickly having to put so many rounds into skavs. It was one of those raids they just wouldnt stop coming, i think i had 14 killed by the time i died to a pmc when i had to start using a skav weapon
I don't know how you guys, but the cut off top of the screen really bothers me. Author can't properly regulate the screen capture size by default? Or there any other reason behind that?
Basically I'm waiting for fibre & all my clips have the ping warning at the top. It's super off putting so I'd rather cut off the corner
@@Gigabeef I see
There may be a better way to do it - I'll give it a try :)
@@Gigabeef I think you can just put some sort of rectangle there or misplace it with a patch-video from other part of the screen.
I have been slumming it with ps12 bc I'm slacking on punisher, I love the mcb barter, 60k rubles and you get the suppressor too, I hope that barter doesn't blow up after this video lol. Fyi irl the ps12a round is supersonic and actually pretty fast. It would be cool if they implemented that to give the round a cool niche as like the long range leg meta round
Met a guy with Ash-12, 12b ammo only, Gzhel and Altyn, I had an MP-153 with Flechette. In the Factory offices.
He was mad.
I've been running an ash-12 while trying to get rashala.. its a lot of fun, I've killed about 40 PMC's and not seen rashala once 😂
Got him 👍
u running t6 rig with no helmet? is that worth?
Headshot I die anyway most of the time, I've started running Tac-kek & side or mando mask for the ricochet hah
using this shit on factory full auto is insane even if you have 10 rounders they normally get dropped in the first 3 bullets
why is your user name gigabeef? How did you come up with it?
Age old in joke from IRL friends back in school, just a silly name really :)
@@Gigabeef Solid lore right there
I full auto the ash 12 and you should too. Don’t be beech comrades
Bro is on that grindset
Funny blocky gun goes BOOM
Technically wouldn't a .366 vpo with AP do about the same close range but with less recoil and more capacity?
Kind of, but the pen against Class 5 isn't the same deal. 42 is much worse than 46 from a Class 5 specific perspective
These adds solgans are getting bad
"Irish spring smell like a nice smelling place"
Gigabeef streamer item when?
And I was just about to start running this gun lol
Considering the gun is so cheap, and the only aviable low tier ammo is the one that has no pen. I wonder if in this level 3 armor world we now live in, it might actually be usefull now. Idk 165 dmg per shot feels like a lot, if you just generously apply that over someone's body that would probably cause some issues.
Its kind of funny that a 7kg gun has better ergo than a 4.5kg gun with a drum mag
Biggest downside for me that wasn't mentioned is the weight. The gun and bullets are heavy as shit, basically impossible to not go into a raid overweight with it
I know its probably been tested already and I am just forgetting it but is zeroed out armour still negates damage?
Pretty sure no
Gssh with the ash12
My man tryna get hearing damage
2 wipes back I would chill near radar on reserve and pick people off at knights with the ash12. Was it effective? No. Fun and manly giggle inducing? yes.
PS12A - RSH-12 - Pistolings on Factory it is devastating
wait, wait, WAIT. Can we talk about toe tickling with PS12A and a 70% fragmentation chance? That's a 2 shot to the legs half the time, and a guaranteed 3 shot.
Shots under 20 pen don't fragment, never have unfortunately
As the time of recording nothing is really working in tarkov
It's a shame we can be pretty sure it will get nerfed in the next wipe.
Don't know if you know this but US literally means subsonic in Russian firearm and munitions engineering
I took a t6 heavy armor with ash and 3 x 20 mags and I was weighing 56 kilos :D wtf
Idk man. I understand your math and stuff, but I just got 1 shot by express rounds to my left leg today.
There's an event going on atm for double damage :)
Sleepy in shambles
Somewhat random note: even thought you can aim, you cant actually shoot when opening a door with a key.
Is that true haha? I never tried, just aimed but never needed to use it!
just use ppbs (igolnik) rounds. you will 4 shot a guy in level 6 armor
Ok
more thermal videos please.... show case the real game which is running from cheaters
yo first?
gaybeef?
Take the Monstrum and set it to 100m - the top of the circle reticule is 50m and the bottom ~140m. Then you just have to remember one set of holds 📐🎯
At night you're shooting way inside 200m anyway.
I have been one tapped in the chest wearing a tier 5 Osprey with PS12B