"What were the team ORDERS?!?" 🤬 | REVIEWING the Italian Grand Prix with Mark Webber 🏎️🇮🇹
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Who is McLaren’s number 1 driver? Is this the end of Red Bull and Verstappen’s dominance? Why are Ferrari so inconsistent?
DC, EJ and Mark Webber break down last weekend’s extraordinary Grand Prix in Monza, where Ferrari claimed their first home win since 2019…. thanks to Charles Leclerc’s one-stop gamble.
Plus, Webber, who is now managing Oscar Piastri, reveals what it’s like mentoring Australia’s next superstar and is backing him to get better and better as we head down the final stretch this season.
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“You’ll be very popular in prison.” 😂 casually drops a hilarious joke.
Pretty quick with that quip too.
😂
You just stole my comment
Still sharp as a tack 😄😄😄
I spit up my drink when he said it 😂😂😂
These guys are what Sky Sports F1 are missing. Genuine F1 wheel knowledge, with major history in the sport, not just smiley faces and an ability to recite every Drive to Survive episode.
Would rather hear Naomi Schiff talk about her karting experience and how it compares to a F1 driver going for a world championship. (Im being sarcastic)
Totally agree but SKY is 95% for English Audience.
It's the Official F1 commentators who need to go.
All about English drivers.
You must be unaware that Martin Brundle (an institution of F1, I should say), Jenson Button, Nico Rosberg, Karun Chandhok and Anthony Davidson all have real knowledge and racing background. Ted Kravitz isn't a racer but nearly 30 years of F1 journalism at the track brings you a lot.
But, of course, the other commentators/pundits don't have that and the rosters vary a lot from week to week, certainly the "average real knowledge" is lower than just having EJ/DC, obviously.
I'd say your problem with Sky F1 is that the type of communication is just different, more rounded, more politically correct (except for Rosberg maybe), it's much more directed to a broader audience, i.e., the overall Sky costumer and not for fierce F1 fans that would listen to this amazing podcast!
And No British Bias...F1 broadcasters behave as they are mainly filming for drive to survive
@@pedropt10 so really Rosberg is the only non Brit. Choudary sucks up and doesn't count.
It's the carry on when it comes to English drivers, although Hamilton must upset them because it's all about Norris, Russell and Ambon (he is English come on)
It's a wonder they don't wipe those 3's behinds fir them
This is better banter, better info and more entertaining than ANY of the pre/post race shows on the major F1 channels! Cheers guys.
And less bias too
10000% this is so TRUE and the is no bullshit in it
That’s because it’s between people who have actually raced in F1, not a bunch of wine mums and diversity hires.
But this is a youtube podcast in a top gear style not a TV show. What's wrong with the Brundles, Rosberg, Davidson, Chandhok etc?
@@exert2020 Nothing wrong with it but I often find (E.G.) the Sky show too straight and formulaic. Even Brundle - much as I love him - seems to have parked his sense of humour after moving to Sky (Brundle commentating with Coulthard pre-Sky was a better era of broadcasting IMO)
Mark heaping praise on Leclerc for an incredible drive without 1 lock up & the only one to make the 1 stopper look like the right call was perfect. Best thing for Oscar is having a sensible voice guiding you - & giving respect where deserved to your opponents provides great opportunities for learnings as well.
Lando is collecting too many moments of regret, while Piastri is ensuring he has no regrets.
All that and still hasn't won without his teammates help
@@neetsk12How so? Oscar won his race on merit alone, Mclaren fumbled by undercutting him with Lando.
@neetsk12 you lot say this but also want oscar to help lando out in the championship by team orders lol how hypocritical
Oscar Piastri is an Alpha and is sabotaging Lando's WDC and Max loves it. 😂😂
@@damonmcdonald6794 he is also collecting more points…and that’s all that counts.
DC, you need to get Mark on your podcast a lot more often. Not only does he know F1 but he also tells it how it is like how he praised Charles' drive at Monza.
I didn't cheer for McLaren until Oscar came around. Oscar having Mark as his manager and in his corner is the best thing that could have happened for Oscar
That. along w wicked driving skills.. 😁
Oscar is poisonous and not a team player just ask Alpine .
@@user-vy4hh4ot2hyou know nothing about F1 lol that was Alpine’s own fault 💀
@@nicolekovala for you information I’ve been going to F1 races for 40 years and can see from your comments your probably very young and know nothing.
@@user-vy4hh4ot2hI’m not young, but I can see from you that you still know nothing about what happened with the whole Alpine situation. They never gave him a contract to sign. That doesn’t make him a snake.
Since you’ve been going to races for 40 years, you’d know that all F1 drivers have to be selfish and ruthless if they want to succeed. Oscar and his management knew Alpine were lacking and made a smart move to leave. Obviously it was the correct choice so how is that being poisonous? I’d love to know.
The fact mark is on this episode is crazy timing.
Webber doing everything to make piastri look good coz old McLaren fans are going crazy coz finally after years they are winning but the team is doing a shit job, and piastri is getting a lot of backlash for his recent statements on not returning favours, etc.
@@neetsk12 Everyone has nothing but praises to share about Piastri. McLaren and Lando are the one getting the backlash.
@@winston_best_tank2277 well on the Instagram mclaren and zack Brown's posts there are a lot of angry people is what I've seen. Apparently now even Stella and zack have made a few statements which hasn't gone down well with fans. But the public engagement with mclaren is more on Instagram compared to X and YT and that's where I've seen a lot of hate.
Mark webber is a top bloke Oscar couldn’t have a better person to help guide him along his career
It pisses me off that people are now saying they should have team orders. Back when Ferrari did it with MSC, everyone complained
Yeeeeesssss it’s amazing how fast the night changes. Team orders were a shame for a while and now it’s some kind of a common sense
Michael was gifted team orders & wins with the championships decided. Lando & Piastri racing is literally losing the team points in their first championship fight in a decade. False equivalence
@@Sticktothemodels there's nothing "false" about it. If scummi or finger (to name the few) were able to not lose points and become champions is because of team orders.
My friend, whatever they do people will criticize. It’s best for the team to make decisions that benefits them the most. Personally, I think they should’ve prioritize Lando after 12th GP not because he’s better than Oscar, but merely because he had clearly the better chance to win WDC which should be the main goal of any top team.
Team orders destroys the sport. Whats best for the sport should be prio always
Mark is gonna help Oscar become the driver Mark wanted to be.
Mark was seriously mistreat in the Red Bull. Seeing team's collapse for him is poetic justice
I view it as a mirrored statement. Mark is gunna help Oscar not have to deal with the things Mark Weber dealt with.
@@blakebarone1809 YES THIS!!! He lived thru some pretty shitty treatment at RedBull during the Vettel years. He just wants Oscar to know how ugly and disgusting the politics behind F1 can be and boy is it working! Piastri WDC soon!!
@@blakebarone1809 I was gonna say “knew he could be” and I feel like that’s more fair
He will be another Mark Webber, he doesn't have the raw speed compared to Lando.
Well done DC get Mark on more often. He's an absolute legend!
Jawline game on point today. Great to see Webber, and very excited about Piastri!
Yes they're having a jaw-off.
I felt privileged to watch these three absolute legends talk about this sport I love so much. What a highlight of my day, week, month. Thank you.
mark webber legend 😭
Webber's wisdom is on another level. He should have won 2010 title
How come this channel isn't more popular? It's amazing listening to people who has this level of experience in F1 talk about it, so glad I stumbled upon this!
same and its hilarious too! perfect
@@Tintinh6785 I wasn't ready for how much sh** they give each other when I started listening, it's hilarious
@@santi3991 way more refreshing than how the commentators have to be on tv
I think most F1 fans now are 14 year olds who like Lando and no one else. F1 has a really strange fanbase these days. And most of them aren't knowledgeable, bright, or have a good enough sense of humor to enjoy this podcast. It would upset and offend 80% of them.
McLaren's come a long way from the days when Martin Brundle said they "didn't have the power to pull the skin off a rice pudding". Good on them - I'm loving the competition!
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Funny enough, I think in early 2023 Mika Hakkinen said that soon McLaren will challenge Red Bull, back when Danny Ric fans were making memes on how DR was paid NOT to drive that car. Every single armchair critic was like 'lol Mika mad'.
A little flexing on the wings is a good start..
Mark is killing it right now and I’m here for it. He’s a been a great driver forever and now with Oscar - it’s awesome! Cheers and best of luck to those cats!
At last. An actual discussion that isn't blatantly saturated with English bias.
An Irishman, a Scotsman & an Aussie, all famous for their love of the English 😉
@@Deadlydonkey-z3fbut more than love to the english bias , you can clearly see the the love to f1.
One keeps close ties with RBR, the other managing young star and the last of them managing genius of aerodynamics.
They've worked with so many successful people of the sport from the drivers to engineers and team principals.
This is not your average cast.😂
@@fireinthenight9028 Agreed, if anything, these 3 especially Coultard and Webber know everything to do with F1 and all the top teams, managing and all. Amazing experience here.
The "multi 21" incident is a perfect example of why nice guys don't win.
Webber - "I'll honor the agreement." Zero world titles.
Vettel - "Fuck that, me me me." 4 world titles.
History supports having a #1 and #2 driver... only Mercedes could get away with it the one year because there was literally no other competition. Mclaren have let them fight, now it's time to focus on actually winning. Helping your team lose a WDC is a good way to get relegated to mid-field teams.
Red Bull had turned Mark’s engine down so it’s more of a case of arseholes are winners.
@@adam346uhm, did we miss McLaren in the 80s in history class?
@@JC-lu4se Complete bullshit Mark missed his chance in 2010 and after that was never as quick as Vettel
@@Jacobk66 oh, sorry, in modern times. Happy?
McLaren didn’t lose Monza when Oscar passed Lando. They lost when the strategy team failed to judge the winning approach. Hamilton summed it up effectively saying that McLaren could have gone 1-2 if they pushed less and drove conservative, boring lead drives - like Verstappen with a big lead but not pushing.
Exactly. They were 1-2 after the first round of pit stops but then cooked their tyres setting fastest laps for the next 20 laps. If they looked after their tyres they would have won.
@@mintoxace5571 I guess it was down to another factor. Not many people realize how much of a mega drive Leclerc pulled off at Monza, and how Ferrari has become a very tire-friendly machine.
@@NERGYStudios it was definitely unexpected that Ferrari pulled off a 1 stopper but that was only possible because Mclaren fried their tires. If they conserved the tires and kept in the front, Ferrari tires would've degraded faster
@@pramitpratimdas8198 clear air, yes. I missed that. Clear air definitely helped Leclerc. It could have been an even more interesting race in that case.
@@pramitpratimdas8198 if they conserved their tyres, Leclerc would have pitted and got third. Ferrari read the race brilliantly
If the drivers positions were swapped, and Lando was the one making that move on Oscar, everyone would be saying what a great move it was and suggesting Oscar just needs to get good. People are upset just because they assumed that Oscar should help Lando, which is dumb, because McLaren repeatedly said their drivers were free to race their teammate, and Oscar did race his teammate.
Any other driver in Oscars position would have tried that overtake, but to be fair, most drivers wouldn't have let Oscar past in Hungry either.
No way. Have you seen the hate he's getting? He'd be ripped apart. Everyone is praising oscar expect the Brits obviously. I mean people hate Lando even though he gave up the win in Hungary. Hating Lando is the trend now. He gets self critical and people hate him but lewis does the same and every body praises him. Oscar talks shit about stroll and everyone loves it, Lando does it and he's called a rich, arrogant, bratty kid. 😂
Oscar Piastri is #4 in WDC points. Lando is #2. This argument is pointless. Ferrari's drivers will continue to split those two Papaya drivers because they are Not working as a team. Piastri's attitude will eventually lead to handing Ferrari the Constructor's championship 🏆 at the end. 😂😂😂😂
Oscar was only able to do this cuz hes in a midgrid team like McLaren and Lando is such a doormat. Do you really think the likes of Vettel, Verstappen, Hamilton, Schumacher would allow shit like this to fly when a wdc is on the line? They would throw a shitstorm.
Well, if Oscar had held back and didn't pass Norris, but backed up Charles n the Mercs and let Lando pull a gap to help him win the race, can you imagine the hate Oscar would of got from the Ferrari n Mercedes fans..? He's just a "wingman" n all the rest. Catch 22 for the poor guy. F1 is meant to be about racing and the fastest guy winning.
@@gordonmaynard810 is this your first time watching f1? Cuz backing up drivers of other teams is pretty much part of standard f1 strategy
>F1 is about the fastest guy winning
Oh yea you are definitely noob. Leclerc won despite being slower than the McLarens. Funny how that can happen right?
I think, Oscar Piastri is exactly what the sport needs
An "anti-Max" in a way
Oscar will be the next Max, and that is great for the sport. As a RB fan, I would like him at at RB and Max to go.
“Oscar was magic” from the master EJ… enough said! Let’s all move on now to the next race…
David and Co, I love that move but how would it have turned out if it had been Schumacher, or Vettel? Oscar is a bright lad and I believe took into account Lando‘s temperament. Lando needs to change that temperament so that liberties and brilliant moves like this don’t happen because the other driver knows the outcome. Just my very humble opinion.
I think he will. We see it against Max in Austria. Now he needs to realize he can do it to his teammate, too.
True. Oscar is you yield or we crash. Lando now needs to drive elbows out with his teammate as well. He sticks to the papaya rules a lot unlike oscar. Even last year oscar almost took out Lando and it was a huge issue at McLaren.
@@neetsk12Lando can’t drive with his elbows out as long as he’s trying to chase down max’s points, Oscar is smart to utilize that to his advantage. When you hold a temper it makes things worse, that’s when Lando starts to crack down at Monza (pit entry, etc.)
142 matches, with Ireland winning 71 times, Scotland winning 66 times and five matches drawn.
Without look at the stats, I doubt it's that even over the last 20 years.
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@JesusH.Tap-Dancingchrist7328 it's the all time record
@@tonystewart7287smoke?
Funny EJ DEMANDING David "C'mon, ask him about team orders! Get off the fence. JUST ASK IT" while EJ himself always refused to answer what everyone wanted to know "where the hell is Adrian Newey going to?" 😂
(spoilers: Aston Martin)
What a nice guest!!! This was a good show with his input. Hope he comes back more often!
Two of the mightiest jawlines to have ever graced the grid.
Oscars contract is IRONCLAD with no number 2 or helping teammates EVER! Hence no team orders to give p2 to Lando in Monza… so exciting to watch
Yep.. and McLaren chose to employ Oscar because they wanted to have to two Number 1 drivers. If they wanted to have a safe number 2 driver they would have chosen someone else. e.g. Bottas, Perez
I love that they've done this. I should be a Lando fan, as he's from Bristol and so am I, but Oscar seems so laid back and very fast, that he's becoming my favourite driver.
Then Lando has to go them. He stuck with a crap mclaren car with the promise they back him and help deliver him a world championship in the future. If they're taking part of their backing and sharing it equally with his team mate then this just harms his world championship chances. Having 2 number 1 drivers ONLY works if your team is totally dominant with no other team on your heals. This is not how it currently is, so back Lando now while you have the chance. They could be 3rd or 4th best team next year. If so Landos gone I'm afraid.
Um weren’t there team orders in Hungary?
It doesn’t work that way. You can insist on equal status, but in Formula One, you have to help your teammates at times for the sake of the team. No team is going to sign a contract like that, and Webber isn’t dumb enough to ask.
@@mikehinford they wanted the best drivers they could get, simple as.
"Let them race" apply until one of them has more clear chances to fight for the championship.
"Number One Driver" applies until he starts consistently throwing away wins/points and choking every pole position.
Does he deserve the championship if he constantly needs to be let by by his faster teammate?
I mean if you are a World champion level driver freaking prove it and win the championship.
Then why did Lando have to give back the spot to Oscar I now wish he hadn’t.
It's simple:
1. If you have competition from any other team, you back your leading driver.
2. If you are dominant above all other teams and nobody can touch you then let the teammates race.
The reality is we are in a number 1 situation currently.
Does this not make sense to anybody. It just seems so obvious.
The way mclaren are acting now may sound all fair and moral but to me this is simply actively working against your own chances to win a drivers title. Its madness. Utter madness you have an f1 team almost annoyed one of their drivers may win a championship. Like keeping harmony between driver managers is more important. Bizarre. There was once a time an f1 team would do ANYTHING for a championship.
@@chequeredflag16who's let who by? As far as I can recall only Lando has slowed down to a snails pace to let Oscar past. Have you not seen the data from Oscars ONLY win? The telemetry shows Lando was by far the fastest driver over the entire race, all stints. Yes he pitted first so a few seconds advantage, but he pulled away from Oscar on track by more than that anyway...far more...miles ahead! Lando should not have let him by. Using your logic if Oscar is a world championship driver he should have caught up with him team mate and passed on track. The most dodgy win...pathetic. Lando was on pole, fastest driver, on track to be world championship winner, but the team and Oscar threw points away simply because of a poor Pitstop call from Oscars side, which has nothing to do with Lando.
This is all utter madness.
(If you were saying the opposite of what I thought I apologise. Your response wasn't that clear)
I absolutely LIVE for the banter between DC & EJ. Throw in some fellow Aussie laid back charm .. and that’s an FFS, ffs!
If you do that on first lap you better win, the gloves are off lol
Ferrari took a gamble with one pit stop Charles could have easily blown a tire on the last lap they didn’t and won if they had two pit stops Oscar would have won.
I think Ferrari new up grades is about protecting the tires so we could see more of the one pit stop by them. .
When two teammates crash it will be totally different story, especially if your trailing in points. Really looking forward to watching it all
Maybe if Lando chokes again and crashes. That was such a clean move by Piastri. A classic!
One thing few people are discussing is that Lando has a snap of oversteer after the first chicane that weakened him to Oscar. If he had driven better he wouldn't have been vulnerable in turn 4.
I'd forgotten Oscar had to take 15 months off before driving for McLaren.
Which makes how well he did last year, once he had a decent car, that much more impressive.
"Remember you gonna need Oscar and the team in the future Lando" 😂🎉
Mark is a dead set legend !
lol no
@@justinsmith4562go back to your shit life justin
@@justinsmith4562Do you even know who he is?
@@justinsmith4562 100% he is !
1:29
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whaaaaat did DC just say!?!?!
I crap myself 😂😂😂
Norris: Secures pole position
Piastri: Not bad for a #2 driver...
😂😂😂
Oscar Piastri is still #4 in WDC points. Ferrari will continue to split those two because they are Not working as a team. Ferrari might take the Constructor's Championships.
Piastri is 2-14 in quali lol
@lamesamelame are you crazy? McLaren had a "bad" weekend and STILL extended the leade over ferrari...
who gaf about quali??
I think Lando knows that Oscar is a genuine threat to him. Oscar has improved more in 2 years than Lando has in 5. And the speed at which both are evolving as drivers, come 2026 or even 2025, I think Oscar will beat Lando. And Lando's mentality of regrets is only gonna let him down. Meanwhile Oscar is just pure and utter stoicism.
It is true Lando had some growing up and maturing to do but be fair. It was only last season the Mclaren came alive, prior to that it was a heap of junk. Oscar has come in at the right time to an ever-improving car. He is a great driver and deserves it , but he has been lucky to have a seat in a good car that has now evolved into a great car, so soon in his F1 career.
My god you lot are frustrating. Do they not teach critical analysis any more?
The car wasn't good for all those year Lando was with them. Lando stuck with an under performing team because they promised him a good car and a world championship with them in the future. Oscar arrived at the team only a few months before they delivered a good car capable of podiums.
Oscar is great, but you have to compare apple with apples.
Think.
the car has done 5yrs of development in the last 5 months. its no wonder oscar looks good compared to some of the boats lando drove before
@@exert2020 seems like you haven't used critical analysis much yourself. The reason I made my comment is that Lando has had opportunities throughout the years where he could've gotten a win. But he didn't. Simply because of the mistakes HE made. Not because of the car or the strategy. Oscar is far more level headed than Lando and by next year he will either be on par or surpass Lando in terms of racecraft too. But imo, he already has.
@@flamingburritto But Lando has raced many more races, in a car which hasn't ever been dominant until mid way through last season. So of course he's made mistakes in 5 or so years in the sport. I must add, hardly any, if any massive or embarrassing mistakes. He's had a slight poor start here, a little rear slide there. Mostly it has actually been strategy that's cost him good results or a car which doesn't perform. They had issues with extreme tyre wear for a while so he had things like that to battle with.
Can't remember the channel but someone did a video in last few days analysing all races since Miami to see what opportunities were truly lost by Lando vs the Team. It found most were caused by the team or the car simply wasn't as dominant as people imagined.
You have to be honest, it was only in the last race where we saw Oscar genuinely drive on par in terms of overall pace as Lando. That's great. I'm not hating on Oscar at all. I think he's doing great. But you lot always treat these things like console wars or MC vs DC. 'You have to pick only one!!'. Fact is they're both doing well in a fairly fast, easy to drive car. That's it. You act like Oscar is some super hero for keeping up with Lando and that Landos totally failing unless he's able to push the car far beyond what it can do. End of the day both drivers are doing great. They're not in an absolutely dominant car yet so 1-2s can't be taken for granted.
As for Oscar being better than Lando in the future...maybe? Who knows. You seem to be basing this on flimsy stuff. Like Oscar didn't have a bad start 2 races ago. Forgetting he had horrible tyre management until recently. He made mistakes all over the place, dipping into the gravel a few times. Then got handed a win when the telemetry tells us Lando was by far the fastest car over the entire race...absolutely dominated him...and he wasnt that far ahead simply from pitting first btw.
I can analyse fine. You seem to want to be a fortune teller for some reason. Notice I don't do that.
Im begining to be more and more Oscar fan, and props to McLaren let them race!
Mark definitely has a no 2nd driver clause for Oscar's contract hahaha
As he should tbh
F1 have been incredibly blessed by some of the finest Aussies sportsmen we have ever seen. I would do anything to watch Dani RIc in a proper Redbull dueling with Oscar next season. And Doohan giving Stroll that Aussie middle finger. 😂😂😂
Daniel has had his chance in a red bull and gave that up.
As a Aussie.. id be surprised to see him in F1 next year TBH..I'd love to be wrong😊
@@bdothitman4346Yeah. Time for him to get moved aside. Too many mediocre drivers at the moment.
@@bdothitman4346 a Aussie? Holly F, are you a eagle too?
18:24 Mark’s face here is pretty telling. Oscar’s not there to finish second.
Sorry guys, you would be telling a different story if Mark wasn't there.
Exactly. DC was singing a very different tune Sunday on comms.
What?@@seggy7722
@@seggy7722 What did he say then?
He saye'd opposite, what he say here.
@@kallehanhela782 did he say that it was not a good move by Piastri, or just that they should prioritize Norris for WDC this year?
Lando and Oscar are like two salesmen in a company undercutting each other to try and secure a sale. The company needs to sort out what’s best for the company and then execute that plan.
Great episode ….a lot of respect shown to Mark W re his relationship with Oscar ….too easy to put him in the spot and make him feel uncomfortable
I vote for more DC, EJ and MW… ripper episode 👍🏻
This trio is cool as fuck
Would love to have Mark on every episode. Love the gang up on EJ. Well done chaps.
If Lando was within striking distance of- an handful of points - then it would make sense to impose team orders.
But he’s 62 points behind with 8 races left.
Anyone “winning” a WDC that way is not worthy of the WDC, and Lando knows this.
McLaren may not have a shot at the champuonship next xear
Oscar is not there to appease the British fans by pandering to Lando.
He is there to race.
Lando needs to get a bit of Mongrel about him. Or hes going to get smashed by Oscar.
Ayrton Senna once said "that once a driver stops going for a gap, he ceases to be a racing driver".
Piastri is a hard nosed racer and I doubt he would get bullied on track by Verstappen, like Lando has been.
Let them Race and let the best man come out on top.
SMH , Lando gave a place by to Oscar 2-3 races ago???? Wish he hadn’t now. With that said agree let them race but they called Lando down to let Oscar pass
@@brianchase8968 Norris got into the lead After they gave Him the prefferred strategy when he was behind Oscar, allowing the undercut to protect Lando from the cars behind. Unless theres a contract designating number 1 and 2 drivers.The preffered strategy should always go to the team car leading at the time.
So whoever it is, let that be the case and if the second driver wants to fight for the lead without risking both cars so be it.
Absolutely let them race, as long as they dont take each other off.
Would love to have Mark’s take on Danny, Jack and his Boy Oscar being on the grid next year. If another team does not pick up Danny they will be nuts.
DC & EJ interviewing Mr Aussie Grit, reminds of the good old days 2010-2012
My 2 pence worth. Zak's a Racer Oscar's a Racer. Lando's a lovely guy who's quick
I know what you mean. . .but I think Lando is a racer too. . .in the moments he's a racer anyway. But mentally it seems like he has a really difficult time off the track. And that can affect a guy ON the track if it gets bad enough. In the end I do think his marketability is more important than his overall racing results. . .
I was in pit lane when Webber took flight at LM, that was a eerily quiet few moments
For the start-I'm not McLaren fan and not Landos fan, but it is still painful to watch them flushing down the toilet WDC for Lando. Because just like they lost to Ferrari, fighting each other, same way they will lose to Verstapen.
Every Racer who became World Champion is very selfish - Senna and Max both said that they don't come her to be second but to be first. Can Lando be like that? I doubt it. Oscar doesn't have that problem.
True. Nice guys come last. Needs to drive elbows out, needs to drive in a way people fear you. Like max drives when he goes mad Max. And Lando can do it, he actually gave a good agressive fight with Max in Austria, now he needs to do it with oscar as well.
Possible exception is Button.
That year it was Brawn’s selfishness that made up for Buttons niceness!
"You gonna need Oscar in the championship fight", Hungary 2024. Worst lie ever.
Oscar is taking points off Max by getting better positions in each race so Lando closes gap...
Loved seeing Mark Webber there. He really added positively to your show, Great stuff! Have him as a regular guest!
It is a great pleasure to discover that EJ is even crazier than I expected!!!
Mark Webber: Piastri 's father
Fernando Alonso: Piastri's uncle.
mark webber and DC together make an awesome pairing. two guys who've come through the hard old school way. shit loads better than sky f1.
An Irishman, a Scotsman and an Australian walk onto a podcast…
David and Eddie... this was such an easy podcast to listen to. You guys are very good knowledge, good fun jokes and wonderful story telling with ease not trying to be try hard. Thank you !!!
Good to see you back commentating.
Tbh though I am tired of all the Lando Norris hate atm - I still think he is an awesome driver with tonnes of potential and a really decent guy too.
Also wish Mark talked about what he feels about Fernando
The main difference between Norris and Piastri is that Piastri knows what it takes to win championships. Formula Renault, F3 and F2.
Lando won F3, Eurocup Formula Renault 2.0, Formula Renault 2.0 NEC, the Toyota racing series and British F4 all in his rookie seasons
Lets face it, Zak brown was left completely stoned faced at monza, by the media 'an avalanche of confusion' He needs buckle up now.. til the end of the season.
Andrea Stella Waa getting as popular as Seiner and Brown's ego had to get him back on TV😊
They had a great chance to have a frank talk with mark and ask specific questions
With McLaren allowing their drivers to race and battle each other, my mind goes straight back to the 2007 Driver's World Championship.
The driver who stands to gain the most from McLaren letting their drivers fight each other is Max Verstappen!
Piastri's overtake into the 2nd chicane was greatly added by Norris slamming on his brakes, rather than slamming into the side of Piastri's car - And because Norris had to slam his brakes on, he also lost out to eventual race winner Charles Leclerc.
Would David Coulthard be raving about Piastri's overtake on Norris if the two teammates had collided and damaged their car? - Of course not, he'd be declaring it to be a stupid overtake that cost the team dearly.
Piastri's overtake on his teammate possibly played a big part in McLaren losing the race!
Had he not overtaken Norris, allowing Leclerc to pass Norris as well, but instead, sat behind Norris holding up the pack on lap 1, giving Norris a chance to pull away, chances are McLaren would have won the Italian Grand Prix (and possibly got a 1~2 for the team)
As I said at the start of this post, for McLaren it's 2007 all over again.
Max Verstappen must be looking forward to winning the WDC again this year - Just as Kimi Raikkonen enjoyed it in 2007! 😄
Spot on
So many triggered LN fans in the comments that can't handle wheel-to-wheel racing, like you would think Piastri punted him off back to Zandvoort or something.
Triggered?... not really. The problem with McClaren asking Lando to concede his lead position due to team orders is that it requires consistency; that breeds indecision later on in the season, when he's looking for his teammate to reciprocate the courtesy... if it doesn't come, then you are developing a relationship similar to the Senna / Prost situation at McClaren.
they asked him to concede position because they wrongly undercut oscar 😭 lando could’ve conceded the position early and overtook him if he had the pace, but he didn’t do that. it was oscar’s race from the beginning and mclaren knew that
Well they will lose the championship..
so stupid decision McLaren to pull him in for a second pit stop, with 5 sec gap??? was a bad decision for sure. Mr Weber Mark please manage OSCAR to be less shy and if he feels like it to dictate the tire strategy , thank you
Have you seen the Monza tyre deg chart?
His tyres were gone, if he settled for a one stop he would have still been vulnerable to Charles who has better tyre management!
He cooked his tyres trying to stay ahead of his teammate. No way he could do a one stop.
@@KatyFernandez-ee8cz Lando's deg was soo low, dirty was the only problem (just like Oscar suffered in Zandvoort behind Charles) I have feeling if he was leading and in clean air he could have pulled a one stop and given McLaren a shot at winning the race!
He said it wasn’t possible due to graining during the race.
34:00 Eddie Jordan is ranting about RBR's drop in performance and finishing 5th, 4th and 6th is killing Max, alluding to Adrian Newey's departure as the reason, only for DC to counter saying that the fact Newey departing RBR was because of Eddie himself, and Webber to gang up saying "you cost him billions EJ" was hilarious af.
Majic overtake that put lando in 3 rd place and cost them both the race
Lando has, after six years, hit his talent ceiling. Yes, he’s fast, but Oscar is where the future of McLaren is. He is clearly improving all the time and his tyre management in the last couple of races wasn’t an issue and arguably better than Lando (despite what the British fans and commentators say). McLaren need to do what Red Bull did with DannyRic - who was beating Max when they were together - but they banked on the future WDC in the team. It may sound unfair, but if they had brains that’s what they’d do. To be arguably barely ahead of a driver with 1.5 years of experience says it all.
Oscar’s overtake was the second best this season - only topped but Albon’s double.
"the last couple of racers" includes the race where Lando gave 30 seconds to Oscar while the latter couldn't overtake a slower ferrari?
In what kind of hallucinations are you all on?
Now 44 points is "barely ahead". Almost two full grand prix wins.
This can't be real, you must be a troll
Mark Webber is just a top bloke. Completely humble and straight down the line…
Excited to see you in Minneapolis soon, DC
All three were beating around the bush. The question about team orders is really about what's written in Piastri's contract, 100%. That they didn't even ask that question is just mind boggling.
Let’s not kid ourselves! Webber put that into Oscar’s contract! No second driver!
Thank you. Proper f1. God it's gotten soft now. Great chat guys.
First time tuning in, this is a quality pod, instant subscribe. Cheers boys
Oscar’s overtake was great but was made ‘easy’ because Lando didn’t expect it from a teammate. He typically should have rolled the car a bit more under braking as he saw Oscar’s car nose passing to the right. I’m pretty sure he would have done that had the car behind him been from any other team.
I wish these three could do live f1 shows we could watch in the uk. I HATE having to watch skyf1
This is such a chill gang.. would be so much fun to share a drink while they have a chat. Cheers gents
So so funny 😅
Particularly with Mark Webber 😅
Great to see support for Oscar, he certainly deserves it and all the best to team Mclaren for more success
Can you get Eddie Irvine on the show?
The whole "team" orders debate. 1. Can it be more "fun" to watch without team orders? Yes. 2. This is also a "TEAM" sport, with the constructors championship at risk with peoples real financial investments AND all of the other team members on the teams. People tend to forget about the "team" and only focus on the drivers. But, this is a team sport. And, if the drivers throw a race because they wreck their teammate, then the TEAM loses. This team get bonuses and make greater earnings when the team wins. I get it, when you are watching you don't care about anything except the drivers fighting for the spectacle and competitive fight by teammates. I have usually been on this side of the debate, let them race. Lastly, when teammates crash, it's a VERY expensive cost that really damages the TEAMS financials. This impacts all the individuals on the team. Sometimes, basically taking money right out of their pockets whether directly or indirectly. CONCLUSION. You still have to consider all the risks and what's at stake for the whole team. You have to remember, sometimes when team orders aren't given or are ignored, the team will lose. Use your critical thinking skills here and just make sure you consider all the risks and impacts before coming to your conclusion. Personally, I think there is a bit of middle ground based on impact risk for the team.
Mark would've tore Zack limb from limb if there were team orders 😂
Have you seen Zak's build compared to Mark, fat chance that'd happen, no pun intended.
He couldn't do shit in RBR could he?
@@UnseenLive1Mark is taller, in better shape, and is younger. Mark would man handle Zak
I don't think it's complicated. It should be Lando 1 Oscar 2. Until they have won the constructors & possibly the drivers championship. It makes it worse for us viewers but surely better for Mclaren. Next year let them race Until one of the drivers is in a strong position to take drivers championship, then you bring in the team orders.
If it was better for Mclaren, they would do it. They really care about the constructors - they care about the drivers but not at the expense of letting their drivers race. You do not hire someone like Piastri and tell him he has to play wingman to his teammate - maybe at the last one or two races, you could have a conversation with him, but not where we are now.
@mutleyeng if they take each other out fighting for the same piece of tarmac, they won't take either championship.
@@simonamos5426and if Norris ups the testsosterone, this could be on the cards. Bring it on. Oscar clearly wants it. It’s great for entertainment.
@gaycha6589 Agree, but do mclaren want to provide entertainment or win the championships? Mclaren haven't won a championship in quite a while. Red bull are still ahead & ferrari are not to far behind.
@@simonamos5426 yup that’s the big unknown. What does the team actually require. Papaya rules are clear as mud and really point to poor direction and management.
34.20 loved how those 2 guys came at Eddie to bite his head off 😂
The other teams are delighted that the two McLarens aren't acting as a team. Open field for everyone!
what tosh
Ferrari might actually have a chance to catch them in the Constructor's if they don't race like a team in the remaining rounds!
Ferrari in Monza -37 points
McLaren in Monza - 34 points
Oscar lost (+7) points to Charles in the championship now the gap is 20 points from 13 points
Imagine if Mercedes also joins the mix @@Vanns_F1
RedBull are very happy!
Piastri’s move is probably the only reason they are still leading the constructors champions!
Mark is my top 3 favorite driver and that means a lot coming from a Finnish F1 fan. Please bring back On the marbles podcast! That was absolute diamond content!
Yeah, Abu Dhabi 2010 finished his career
how funny would it be that Lando gets mad, is tired of being "out-foxed" and just goes full cut-throat on Pieastri? He eventually gets to a point where he just decides "you are not passing or we are crashing out" they both crash out and RB win the drivers and Ferrari the constructors. That is like... the funniest outcome to this whole thing.
Agreed. This should happen.
You're both idiots. 😅 You can't just intentionally crash into someone if you can't hold position and you're getting passed. What the hell is wrong with you.😅🎉
i can see oscar faster developing a "you are not passing or we are crashing out" mentality than lando
In Monza, Lando should have put Oscar out at the risk of having the two cars out. Be mean, pay the price for it!
21:00 it’s not a matter of ‘this year is your turn next year is his turn’ - they should be free to race _but_ It’s it comes point in the year where they have to prioritize one driver or neither driver will win the title (like happened in 2007), they need to prioritize their leading driver. This year that’s Lando. And Oscar has got to have the confidence to be comfortable with that precedent being set, knowing that he’ll be the one benefitting from it in the future.
Honesty is not hard boys, cheers mate I will not miss a podcast.👍
Awesome. I am so glad I found this channel. Instant subscriber