Do All Pro Cyclists Have Bike Fits? | GCN Asks The Pros
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2019
- On the ground at the UAE Tour, Jon asked many of the top pros and team managers about bike fits and whether all the riders have them. Find out what Rohan Dennis, Adam Hansen, Simon Clarke and Rolf Aldag have to say around the subject...
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It's fair to say that bike fits are becoming increasingly scientific nowadays with lots of motion and pressure sensors available that are able to provide immediate feedback from positional changes. Find out what the top riders and team managers think about bike fits and whether all riders take part in them.
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Adam Hansen is the most experienced and intelligent rider of the Pro peloton. He would be a benefit for every cycling Team, just of his knowledge and professionalism.
He's an idiot, just look at his position lol its' terrible
Hands down this was the strongest Ask the Pros in the GCN Tech line-up. Hearing the discussion was informative and insightful.
Completly agree 👍🏼
Cav wanted to photobomb this interview so badly 😂
Ian Lang Rides s making the most before his career finishes this year 😁
When you're not winning races, the Cav's gotta get on camera somehow....
Cav had the best answer to longest ride question: "Milan-San Remo" And I am cheering for him to get some wins this year.
He was like “I do what I want don‘t listen to him“
@@MrAndypree this didn't age well
I have seen plenty of pros have bike fits. They smash the bike on the pavement, or throw it off into the gutter.
haha, took a second to get it.
😂😂😂
Underrated comment
Hahahahah
Amazing 😂
You need to hire Adam Hansen when he retires!
Completely agree
Jonathan Zappala Adam Hansen is the biz
Adam Hansen...what a legend!
Can't afford them. Already does logistics software :)
I've had two high end $$$ bike fits. I average about 20 road races each year in the USA. Both fits were done with lasers and sensors. The first person the first year had a very "do what racers do philosophy" and had this well respected pro resume. He seemed really intent on a high forward saddle and low bar set up with a reach I could do. In addition, he felt a flexible ankle during the pedal stroke was optimal where my toe was straight down at 3-6 o clock and then to up through the up stroke. However, it felt awkward and didn't make a lot of sense me to have a flimsy foot whilst pedaling. I tried it for a bit, kept dealing with injury and went to the next fitter. He had a very different concept and was not nearly as renowned for his pro reputation. Nevertheless I liked him way better. He switched me from LOOK cleats to Speedplay, lowered my saddle for a much better feeling of control, brought the saddle back a bit, and modified my reach so I could stay 100% comfortable in a racing drops position. Plus, he suggested a stiff rigid ankle in the pedal stroke allowing more power transfer and was confused as to why the previous fitter put a 5mm shim on the R side of my foot. My FTP by the second persons fit alone the very next week increased by 5%.
I reckon you have to do at least 2 ways for finding the real personal benefits and your ideal bike position. I think It's more like a doctor-patient approach than a strictly specific way of bike fitting. Do you agree after your experience?
@@GKel77 Yes I would agree. It does seem to be more like the doctor second opinion perspective
I think I learn more from just listening to Jon and Adam talk cycling than from any other on line source. The two have great chemistry and are obviously very experienced. Both are excellent communicators. I would love a weekly or bi-weekly conversation.
6:30 Cav’s cameo
super interesting video idea... was actually disappointed that it ended! would love to hear more pros weigh in!
Awesome & very informative video, guys! Kudos!
Brilliant video, Adam Hansen seriously needs to do more with GCN at races.
So Adam is the GURU of cycling
Hansen should be a GCN presenter once he hangs up his wheels
He's previously said he's fading into the blue and doesn't want to be in the spotlight.
@@cup_and_cone That would be really sad, so much knowledge he's learned over the years, I can't even imagine how beneficial it would be for us. He's into technology and tinkering as well, which I'm sure people would appreciate too
Excellent topic to ask the pros
Super interesting video Jon Thanks
Simon Clarke was wonderfully informed and was a treat to listen to
So was Adam Hansen
@@Mine96craft I expect it from Adam though
Did anyone catch the name of german company Adam talked about?
@@gomumiyashita I think he said gebioMized
Yes Gebiomized, and just hearing how Simon was talking about the seat and sole pressure mapping, I am 99% sure he used some fitter using their system. If not them personally.
Yep! I got fitted last year for the first time with lasers, filming my movements and the whole 9! It was good to see that I was pretty close on all fronts but my cleats. Also with the pressure sensors he was able to tell me a few things about how I ride and changes that I should consider making in the way that I ride. Totally great experience that has paid dividends.
Great info. Enjoyed the really thorough answers 👍🏼👌🏼
Nice one Mike!
Great video Jon, some interesting comments like you say. Had my first bike fit this year, Boy what a difference it makes to comfort. Always set my bikes up previously from feel and formulas for saddle height. Bike fit recommended 1.5cms up on saddle height from the recommended from the usual formulas. But by using video and checking the angles for the legs the new saddle height works perfectly. I previously suffered from a pain between the shoulders, now gone with minor adjustments to reach and saddle setback. Cannot recommend a bike fit enough. I resisted for years, wish i'd done it earlier. Andy Bishop from Worksop did mine, as a serious cyclist, still races for a semi pro team, and ex triathlete he really knows his stuff.
I think a bike fit needs to account for everything. For example, on one bike I have Ultegra disc hoods, the first generation. They are about twice as long as the Campag hoods on my other bike and the Campag hoods feel even shorter as they have been ergonomically designed specifically around the need to have a pistol grip for the button/lever combo. Whereas the Ultegra's are just huge blocks (basically badly designed), something I know they have changed for the new version which is shorter and designed for comfort, (so well designed). So if you put different hoods that 10mm reach change can be completely negated depending on your group set preferences, not just by the manufacturer but by the generation of groupset. Same goes for saddle's the Fizik Arione and Selle San Marco Aspide I have which are utterly different in shape and make you sit on the bike in different ways.
Cavendish photobombing. CLASSIC!
I ended up doing my own and it's great. I used charts but after getting a proper saddle for my sit bones i went back to the old plumb line over the pedal spindle and put my cleats right back.
Team Dimension Data always seem to go that extra mile for GCN, really love it!
I had a bike fit a few years back with sensors etc. Because I used to have knee pain. It helped me a lot. Expensive but well worth the money
Such great knowledgeable advice by Mr. Adam Hansen ✌🏻👌🏻
I hope Adam Hansen is getting a salary from GCN
Adam would be the best GCN Tech presenter after he retires. Sorry Jon 😆😎
I love how he is in the back of the frame in the first 30 seconds, casually filling his baggy of energy gels
Perhaps he is getting one from LEOMO? (cf. his cap)
@@weeki_wachee he's a brand ambassador for them. Probably has shares tbh
@@nickhutchinson9068 Oh, I didn't know. Thank you.
Engaging video, thank you!
LOL for Cav photobombing! And, of course, Adam Hansen is basically bike-fitting his team. Gotta love (and admire!) that man!
Great listening to these pros. Plus the suport staff. Too bad I sit here not able to afford all this knowledge but very nice to dream and gain as much from all the science. Thanks.
Have just had a bike fit for my first road bike - bought a new MTB a few years ago which I could never really get to fit and gave me a bad back, so this time round bought a 2nd hand road bike, spending the rest of the money on bike fit & bars, cranks etc to fit me - with a much happier outcome so far.
adam's knowledge is impressive
I’ve had a bike fit done by a great friend and experienced rider. We did the fit on his home trainer - in the garden on a sunny day with a beer 😊 - and is was definitely worth it... now I sit more relaxed on the bike and can put more power in the pedals or more km on the road...
Excuse my bias as an Australian, but many of the Aussie pro riders seem really engaged with the media like GCN.
They're ace!
What are the chances of meet the presenter for Jon...
Come on GCN the subscribers have spoken..
John, you're the best!
Yes, I had a bike fit done using body measurements. No lasers or new technology (it was several years ago), still feel great and transferred the measurements to my new bike and feels just as good. Only modification I have made over the years is to lower my stem/bars.
Good job getting Adam Hansen..he was a SME top say the least and added a lot of value to this video.
Super interesting, Jon, thanks--fit may ultimately be a personal thing, but those pressure sensors sound like they get the shoe/pedal position perfect. Please tell us more. And to date, I've always found my favorite position on a bike through the usual trial and error--adjust here and there until you get it right. Or seemingly right. But no matter the bike, you should constantly shape shift the upper body to the conditions, I think, sometimes standing, sometimes tucking, sometimes just rocking and rolling. And sometimes, I guess, sitting on the top tube, yikes. And please do a sit-down with Rolf Aldag--I enjoyed your conversation with him and, whoa, what used to happen when a pro would express a preference. That was fascinating, seems like a no-win power struggle and we can only wonder how many racers were hindered by such incidents and threats.
There are many nuggets of info in this piece.
Glad to be of service!
I've done a lot of stuff with Gebiomized. Multiple Bike fits and also joined on some research projects and stuff. Really pleased with their work. They transfered a road bike from PoS to Amazing for me by finding the little piece that messed it up for me (it was the stem). Great people there!
i had a bike fit done. it was "old fashioned" because i chose not to pay extra to use computers and lasers and what not. the fit made such a huge difference that i would never go without one again and i can't believe i waited as long as i did to get one. i have more power overall and on long rides, much less knee pain and other discomfort such as finger and toe tingling after gravel rides. the changes included: a longer stem, cleat fit, pedal spacers and several other details that are perfect for me.
Very interesting Jon. Don't race but still interesting to learn how your body position changes so much when your moving about on the seat .
I definetly had some bikefits and although I do agree there is a certain mental aspect involved, the importance should not be underestimated. As suffered a lot of finding a quite comfortable though racy position, without having severe saddle pain and irritation in the perineum I was happy to finally have found a bike fitter who helped me "on track". After 3 fits , with 3 different filters, I got to the position I'm still riding in, although I recently changed the saddle by testing myself, respecting the figures as they came out the bikefit. Surprisingly, as I participated last weekend at a tedt-event where I tested 10 different bikes for just at about 8km at a closed racetrack, I was surprised to notice by just adjusting the saddle height to the the one I 'm now used to,some bikes even felt as good or even better as my own?? I do think the frame you ride on is also very important and a do think the more classic frames , such as Ridley Helium, Merida scultura and other just offers a more balanced feel and mix in stiffness, compliance and response.... Aero frames are more about looks and much more one goal designed, not that all round as most of us are or should be looking for... best regards, Kevin
Suggestion: Add voting buttons for these yes/no questions.
Haven’t had a fit...YET...but I’m pretty studious about these things and love fiddling around with fit. As I get more serious and start to race and do more large events, I’m inching (millimetering) closer to getting one...
I’ve had a bike fit done (by eyesight with plumb bob etc) and well worth it. Quite expensive but considering the gains that can be made well worth it especially when you factor in the price of a bike. I think the recommendation I can give is to use a bike fitter that is open minded.
i don't need bike fit, i only need to watch gcn bike fit tips ..lol !!
super interesting! I've had an eyed + plumpbob fitting when I first got my bike, and later made wee adjusts when I started doing more climbing. that was 7 years ago, I'd be curious what the technology says about my bike fit as I always feel quite comfortable despite a racy-agression position (ie flat back), of course to maintain everything yoga is a must as i get older
Adam too,he is passionate about cycling,great.
What I had really hoped you'd ask Aldag was whether/how the team dealt with a new bike (BMC) in terms of whether the bikes were just set up as previously with Cervelo, or whether they went with wholesale bike fits on the BMC for everyone. Surely frame geometry would affect bike fit?
Thanks for presenting another vid with interesting and informative interactions. Jon, you need a higher SPF sunscreen. Just sayin'.
Im getting my 1st bike fit done by the great Steve Hogg in Canberra in September, (when i finally get my bike ) Cant wait to meet him, His knowledge is surpassed by none that im aware of.
I've had both, old fashioned and laser and-what-not. It basically comes down to the fitter, because having a feeling for what they are doing is much more important than what computers and lasers tell you. Maybe if you are a pro you can learn to deal with it (like Hansen said weighing pros and cons) but for most of us gaining a few more power efficient pedal strokes is way less important than having a good quality ride. There are many different needs so keep in mind "laser guided" racing fit is not for everyone. You wouldn't want to have you car set up for Nurburgring hotlap for your work commute either.
But anyways, everyone should get their bike fitted. If the fitter knows what he is doing, you'll think you have a completely new bike afterwards.
(that said, unfortunately most shops send their mechanics on a 2 week course, then think they know everyting and sell bike fits that are completely off. I've seen ppl ride their brand new bikes in bad positions right out of "shop fittings". cough *Specialized* cough)
Adam Hansen with his seatpost flipped around for some negative setback! Definitely chucking our the old knee in line with crank axle method there!
Adam Hansen is very interesting cyclist give so much information he is great for any team
Done fitting a couple of Times different fitters some static but mostly dynamic
I strongly believe that aware and taking care of right bike fitting is the very first thing to do after purchasing bike. Otherwise every motion of mechanisms of body movement go wrong and leading discomfort and injury. Like a practice in wrong way. And body changes time to time as developing muscle and strength so I do bike fitting periodically for better comfort and energy efficiency. Every person has different body shapes and strength, and each different riding styles.
Adam such a legend.
Cav in the background shaking his head and who is known foe noticing millimetre changes on his bikes!!
I'd be interested to know how many bike fits involve the bike fitter and cyclist going out for a ride before and after the adjustment. For me that would be a major part of the exercise as we all have different styles and strange ticks (like knees flicking out, preference to stand up or sit on a climb, etc). Any feedback @torqueback ?
maaan like... Adam Hansen is the maaaan. Could listen to what he says for hours!
Every 'professional' bikefitter does their own thing in the end. I've had 2 no 3 different RETUL fits by different fitters the settings are not the same. One wants me more forward and lower, another up and back, same RETUL gear. F knows whether I have the best setup or not. the LEOMO sounds like the emphatic 'on the bike' tool to tell the actual riding position the rider is adopting. I recall I have a right knee that floats in and out when just spinning on the Retul test rig, however when I put a lot of seated power down, the knee float is gone. So where do you test the setup, just spinning or under MAX load? I'd say MAX load as that is where everything has to be at its best.
Did anyone else notice all the riders interviewed were Aussie? As an Aussie myself, it's very interesting and heartwarming to see.
gotta love them aussies! Cheers, Jon
I had a bike fit a few months ago. I should have had it as soon as I bought my new bike last fall. The improvements were immediate and profound. I gained a great deal of speed. More importantly since the bike fit I have been far more comfortable on the bike. My fit was done with lasers and cameras. The fitter had me do a lot of flexibility exercises to determine just what my body was able to handle. I think the most interesting changes he made were to the location of my cleats on my shoes. A minor change made a big difference. Highly recommend a professional bike fit if you intend to spend time on your bike.
Nice feedback, in which city is your bike fitter?
Never had a fit. Been riding 42 years now so I know what works. When I bought my most recent bike (Jon, a Celeste Bianchi)... I gave the shop my expected measurements and they set up the bike accordingly, and checked me on it and didn't make a single change.
This is one thing I wish I would have done before buying my bike. I think the bike shop I bought my bike from just wanted to sell the model they had on the floor and I think it is a touch too small and definitely not a perfect fit for me.
WE need Adam to ride a book about bikes man
Had a bike fit. I stuck with it for quite some time but had some issues on longer rides. Made my own adjustments and am now pretty far from the original fit. Unfortunately still not in an ideal set-up so thinking of getting another fit, maybe Steve Hogg style as his philosophy is quite reputable I hear?
Great bike fitter in Geneva Switzerland ... VeloPerfection !
I will be getting my bike fit with my bike when it is fully built.
It would be interesting to do an ask video but asking mechanics, soigneurs or other team staff.
of course Adam Hansen jumps into a lecture about bike fits, is there anything this guy doesn't know? legend
What a hero!
This is a really good video which has helped to confirm in my mind that all this fit-up stuff is a bunch of expensive hooey. Thank goodness I'm smart enough to move the seat around until the pain in my knees goes away. Is this really rocket science?
Tried to emulate Sean Kelly/Vitus/position, which was fine for that era but now pressure sensors in saddle & pedals takes things to a completely different level. Why not use sensors in the bars as well?
I like that cav photobombs the video.
I will have my first ever bike fit by Long Beach Bike Fit, a little prop to them, on Sep 22, 2019. Will let you know how it goes. Otherwise, i set up my bike on feel.
It seems to me that saddle height and cleat position are critical. Get those wrong and it can cause you problems. And those never change during a ride. Pretty much everything else is personal preference. What just "feels" right for YOU is what you're going to stick with. It's likely why you see such varying positions in the pro peloton. I've read that Chris Froome fiddles with his position constantly.
Cav with the “photo bomb”
6:29 Top Bombing Cav!!
Adam Hansen should have his own channel.
Adam Hansen, the king of carbon fibre shoe bling
Interesting bike fit @ 4:17 mark
I’m amazed by how fashionable has cycling become in the Uk.
I wonder if Hanson is still running his 180mm cranks
a bit too much background music on this one, wish you had dialed it back a bit :)
Mirror, plumb bob, tape measure and stationary trainer that's my method.
I had a bike fit and now I get speed wobble and my knees hit the drops when I am out the saddle the fitter did change my stem from 100mm to 80mm I think this is the problem.
What music do they listen to?
Without watching I'd say of course they do. The question is how extensive a fit do they want / need.
I wish
You should do a video on Leomo. I've heard about it a few times and had a look at their site, but I still don't quite get how it helps you in cycling exactly. As Adam said, it can obviously help you with bikefits, but it seems capable of more. Is it really beneficial or just another gadget to unnecessarily complicate things?
We have! Check it out here: gcn.eu/Leomo
Simon Clarke is so correct about using someone you trust or believe in.
Adam Hansen...what can the man not do?
What is going on with Adam's bike, negative layback on his seatpost???
Nice photobomb by Cavendish
Aldag, smart man and knows what is talking about.
Steve Hogg for the win! 🤙🏻
Have a bike fit recently in an official Specialized bike store and bike fitting center?!? After roughly 5 hours of old fashion measurements and flexibility tests and some minutes of riding my bike on a trainer, the bike-fitter ended up proposing me buying a new Specialized stem and a new Specialized saddle. All in all a rough approach to this so interesting subject. Seemed more like a promotional thing than a bike-fit. Nevertheless I kept the new bike position, buy the Specialized products (which btw are sometimes considerable heavier and much more expensive from any other similar size parts). After some ks a follow up came up and we changed the cleats position once again. All in all not so happy about the way this process went. Was expecting more from an official bike fitter of Specialized bike brand.
What is this limo/leemo? device for measuring leg angles that Matt talks about?
gcn.eu/Leomo Here you go!
I'm gonna do bike fit after I finish upgrading my bike. It'll take some time and research to find a proper bike fitter though.
You should do it before, so you know what sized parts to buy.
Bike fits sure, hissy fits absolutely ;)