The Orville New Horizons "Future Unknown" Finale Review
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- The Orville finale is here with the beautiful Future Unknown.
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Finn yelling at Lamar and Isaac accidentally inviting his whole species to the wedding were hilarious.
She came 4 him🤣🤣🤣
And him putting his head down and getting back to work was the only logical action.
@Bionick Toa I read that in Isaac's voice.
I’m gonna miss this show… especially if we have to wait two years for a season 4. But this episode was wonderful and I’m glad we got to see Alara again. PLEASE RENEW IT, DISNEY!
Might be a bit longer, I think Seth wants to do Broadway and other projects. Then I imagine hen writes a full season before filming. Then post. It may be more like three. :-( But, I am willing to wait if the quality of the writing a production stays where it is at.
I feel the same way...best episode for me...true to Orville humour style
we waited years for season 3... hopefully Hulu (and now also Disney+) sees the value of the franchise. or at the very least we get some rules for fan fic, that isnt as assinine as what CBS offered. a little more flexibility. (especially considering Seth's own TOS FAN FILM from the high school days ua-cam.com/video/sn_Sgcxg5PQ/v-deo.html)
This episode is like every scene in TNG where the crew are just hanging out. No huge heist, no intergalactic war to prevent, no mysterious alien planet to explore. All the conflict comes naturally from the characters interacting with each other and developing. I could watch scenes of the girls having a pajama party and bortis doing standup comedy all day. If you're like me and wanted the opening scene of Nemesis with Rikers wedding to be the whole movie, you'll love this episode.
If this was Discovery then the future of the entire UNIVERSE would be under threat by this wedding and only Burnham could save us!!
My favorite part of TNG are the quiet intimate moments on the ship. I adore that this show centers entire episodes around that.
Yeah, sorry bro. But this is nothing Star Trek the next generation
@@michaelquaid4679 You're right, in many ways this season actually surpassed the next generation and built on the genre in ways tng never could have dreamed.
@@GatesOfAvalon1 well we can agree to disagree.
TNG did not preach at us and beat us over the head with their own political leanings and propaganda.
They would infer things and show us stories on different planets and how their structure worked and let us make our own decisions on how life should be.
Not to mention good old "ESCAPISM"
That's the reason a majority of people even watch these kinds of shows.
That's why so many of them get canceled and don't go far.
People don't want to be beat over the head with real-world propaganda when they're watching a fantasy show
Seth did it. He did what Trek did not and explained how a society that doesn’t look for material wealth works without some vague throw away line.
The leftist rhetoric is strong with Seth
I just finished this episode! I thought It was a lovely send off for the season and a wonderful ending for Issac and Claire's romance arc. If the series ended now I think I'd be happy with what we've gotten. I've grown to love the Orville and it's crew so much and I sincerely hope we get more from this show.
That's a good point...
It basically goes "THIS was the theme of the season."
Not the bombastic tryhard space war, not the political schemings, not the telegraphed with a huge neon sign self sacrifice arc. Just this seemingly innocuous arc of two individuals finding a new kind of love, bridging two completely alien cultures through their personal relationship.
No huge diplomacy. No war. Just a lady and her fuckbot (seriously, dude has some moves and add-ons I never saw coming).
While also going "and it doesn't always work that way without mutual sincerity" with the inclusion of Mercer 's ex (though with a hopefull "ya never know" thanks to the kid).
It might be the most sincerely Trek moment it had.
Bortus’s roasting of the wedding couple was actually hilarious.
You should see Seth MacFarlane roasting celebrities on Comedy Central
it feels almost like a sendoff for norm mcdonald
I just couldn't stop lauhging
It was!😆
They left all the humor for last. Seth knows that he has created a gem of a show. He didn't rely on an otherwise "customary" cliffhanger to keep the audiences invested and the studio execs pressured. We bow to the writers. I hope it gets RENEWED.
I was expecting a nice quiet non-pew pew episode, and this was right on the money. See, you don't need world ending OMG to finish a season.
Some great prime directive commentary.
I smiled pretty much the entire way through this episode!
Amazing to see Issac and Claire get to this point in their relationship.
From the return of Alara, to the return of Lysella, Bortus’ hilarious moments, and even getting to watch the Kaylon mingling peacefully with the crew… this episode was just so satisfying, and a great way to end the season!
It raises the question, can an Android marry a biological? TNG never addressed that issue.
@@lesliedavid1244 I kept thinking of the TNG episode In Theory in which Data tried to date a human. I didn't think that story was done particularly well and this was done better. And the wedding was beautiful. 👰😭
What a lovely episode & a beautiful way to end the season. Bortus as Elvis was so funny. I loved how it was a rather gentle ending rather than the bombastic endings most series have. I truly hope this is not the very last episode of The Orville but if it is this was a lovely way to finish.
I really liked the way they acknowledged Isaac HAS emotions, just they work in a different way, although they are exactly the same.
IF there isn't a renewal, I'm going to miss Claire's boys growing up. One of the big things with DS9 for me was seeing Nog and Jake grow up.
...actually, I'm going to add this because I thought of it this morning: Isaac comes across as a rather sweet ingenou, whereas Lt Cmdr Data is, in fact, a bit of a dick about not having emotions.
The Kaylon really are like children and the last few episodes kind of showed that. They're built to learn and adapt and they also don't understand emotions all that well. Kaylon Primary didn't understand that we think of them as people when they thought of themselves more as appliances.
They are which is why I find Isaac’s relationship with Claire deeply uncomfortable.
why wouldnt they think themselves like that though, considering their origin, as service bots, or a more advanced roomba. they didnt exactly have much experience with any organic life after the genocide. maybe we will even find a small colony of Kaylon builders, who managed to escape their planet, roaming the galaxy, not too unlike the episode "if the stars should appear" and having to convince the Kaylon to let the few survivors, actually live. to let them learn, as the kaylon themselves did, after Charlie Birk's sacrifice.
Eyyyyy Alaya gets to be in all three seasons!
As a possible series finale, I think this works well enough. There’s still plenty of room for more stories, especially since the political alliances with the Union have gone flipped turned upside down since the season began, but they definitely chose a nice note to end on, made more meaningful by where Isaac was at the start of the season.
Although…did they mention Charlie at all this episode? Because she’s kinda the reason this wedding was able to happen, in more ways than one. Hrm.
Anyway, fingers crossed for a fourth season!
Trying to top last week would have been crazy. This was exactly what the show needed, harking back to the show's earlier tone, but not turning its back on how it's developed since. WE GOT TO LAUGH, repeatedly, and it felt GOOD. I expected Bortus to... "deliver" at the end, and yep, he did.
And then, there's the other side: Isaac's answer to that common question: "You'll outlive me... what then?" - absolute perfection, and a beautiful moment. Lysella's storyline would have been the backbone of its own episode, but it wasn't short-changed by being part of this episode - and that second visit to the simulator was pretty damn powerful.
Overall, I felt this was the perfect season-ender after all the chaos and high-stakes adventure of much of the rest of the season. If this is all she wrote, it's a good ending... but let's be back next year for another season!
It made the point that the technology alone will not "fix" humanity. This is implied in Trek, and it's self-interrogated here. We have to truly get our s--t together FIRST, before things get better, even with post-scarcity technology.
We cannot just passively wait for the tech to work it's magic on a ----ed up society. In fact, she shows the young lady a society where the worst possible outcome took place. Technology was and will remain a tool. We must do the hard work of becoming better. It really made me think. Because I was of the view that once scarcity is gone via technology, we are saved from ourselves. And that may not be the case. We have much work left to do. And machines can't do that for us.
That's true and like kelly said they would probably use the technology in a way to profit just the rich and powerful while forcing scarcity on everyone else like we mostly do with what technology we have today.
I really honestly like Lysella and was happy to see her remain on the Orville at the end. There were several episodes of Next Generation where someone sought Asylum in the Federation and I think one time an alien lady was like basically implied to work on the Enterprise but of course was never seen from again like ohh so many love interests of Zack Morris. I really hope this if a season 4 happens that her character, and the actress, come back cuz maybe im alone but I always thought a modern day or older crew member of a future starship was a fun idea. I know voyager thought about bringing Sarah Silverman from the 90s to the Voyager crew and honestly that would have been pretty rad. Heck Id of loved a few more episodes of that texas businessman that picard just hated lol. For the record i would ABSOLUTELY abandon this world if a bunch of aliens and technologically advanced spaceships gave me the chance. Like byyyyyye guys good luck with *gestures vaguely* all of this
Everyone deserves a hype man like Klyden in this episode.
Also from what I have heard, Alara was written off mostly because her arc was finished instead of any animosity on set
I agree about Klyden, I think in the coming seasons (fingers crossed) they will want/need to address some of that... I buy that Bortus would want to just forgive him and move on for the benefit of Topa, but Klyden's past digressions will certainly affect that family going forward.
Well, if Topa has forgiven him, her friends and the crew should do their best to accept this too.
As a possible (but hopefully not) series finale it was very traditionally fitting. As Lord Byron said "All tragedies are finished by a death. All comedies are ended by a marriage" and The Orville, even when toned down a lot from its early start, is still more a comedy than a tragedy, so ending with a wedding makes a lot of sense.
I enjoyed the episode, although I don't think it was as strong as many of the really good middle of the season episodes, but thought it was a natural denouement of the season (/series). I appreciated the conversation about the post-capitalism world and how if you provide everyone with what they need for their material needs (aka universal basic income) you free people up to follow their passions and people still do produce value (more value even by being free to pursue what they desire). That is really useful to see in fiction like Star Trek (most of the time, ignoring gold pressed latinum) and The Orville since modelling this sort of future is often beyond our imagination ("It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism"). If there are future seasons I'd especially love getting to cover the history of that conversion point that Kelly mentioned of what Earth was like when the matter replicator was invented/introduced to model the actual transition from capitalism to post-capitalism. That would be a fun time in our future/show past to explore.
I appreciated the brief mention from the Kaylon that marriage is like slavery (especially given some of the historic marriage cultural practices) but think there could have been a little bit more fun at expanding that misunderstanding into a diplomatic incident possibly bringing the admirals in to play or some similar miscommunication. I also thought in Claire's anger display at Isaac some nod to possible future non-monogamy - but only if/when they've both talked about it and agreed - might have been good but I did appreciate that Claire included Bortus as one of the three example no side relationships for Isaac (for reasons of both pansexual as well as practical given Isaac's understandings - and note he did start with first trying to ask LaMarr out once LaMarr suggested getting more experience). Finally on this plot line, while I also understand that it is easier on the actor, and nice to have the actor appear as himself if this is indeed the series finale, however I think Isaac should have been his more natural Kaylon self for the wedding rather than the human simulator skin. I don't know, maybe there's an argument that if he's choosing the simulator skin he's realizing his own self image the way he wants (but I think it is more for Claire, which maybe has some value, but I don't like as much as it really being Isaac), but I think it downplays the true infinite diversity and infinite combinations and the full power of Claire actually loving Isaac as Isaac the Kaylon in all his difference from humans.
On the prime directive plot I think it was good that there was the conversation; however, I am unconvinced by the reasoning of the union. At least based on what was shared in this episode. It failing once, even as tragic as the 9 billion dead or whatever, is not proof to me that it will always fail, or that there couldn't be other ways to try/approach things (maybe try to guide some worlds from the shadows, maybe try to introduce some technology to worlds in different orders and different ways, maybe try to "abduct" a sample of individual from a world to a simulator and try different approaches, or many other possibilities beyond giving up). And if there are dozens or hundreds of worlds that are suffering that could be helped, I think the divide of we don't interfere and stay hidden is morally questionable. It draws a we/they divide where "they" are left suffering as the folks on Sargus 4 were, and that could well spell the premature deaths of many 10s or 100s of billions across all these worlds. I also think a potentially interesting place to have left Lysella post her attempted technology transfer would have been if Lysella was going to stay in the Union to specifically research more about possible first contact/uplifting planets and lobby on behalf of changing that policy for Sargus 4 as well as other similar worlds, as that is the one thing she's shown she's passionate about and would be a more nuanced agree-to-disagree sort of place that could leave that point unresolved (maybe her studying more would in the future have her come around to thinking the union is right, but if that is the case I think it would take more time). But overall I appreciated this plot discussion, and though I doubt it will continue if/when there is a season 4 having a Lysella character on the Orville might be fun for different perspectives and more fun exposition of certain practices (I.e., explain to her as the audience stand in - hopefully in ways that have a bit of humor to go with the infodump).
So I agree that if this is the end of The Orville it was a satisfactory end to what has turned into a fantastic show; however, I really hope there is a 4th season (at least, if not more).
It was cool seeing Alara meeting Talla for the first time on-screen. They've known each other obviously lol.
I can't believe they did it, but they did. They remembered the egg salad sandwich that was sent into the future from episode 6 of this season. The one that I didn't think they would remember. The one they could easily have not mentioned again.
The opening sequence with Bortus and Klyden renewing their mating bond was interesting, though strangely not in sync with how I'd perceived their relationship to this point. The whole episode in fact depicted Klyden as the weaker of the two, for lack of a better word, and that didn't fit with how I believed the character was presented to us in the rest of the series. In past episodes, the roles of Klyden and Bortus have been those of stern father figure and loving motherly figure respectively. With Klyden's past behavior being that of the typical fatherly male figure that couldn't accept their queer child while Bortus' behavior has been more of the accepting mother at the expense of their own marriage to their partner. As you said, everything we've seen previous has been them in situation A and here were see them in situation C without much time spent exploring situation B as they did at the end of episode 8. I guess my main issue with it is that it's kind of jarring because we haven't seen Klyden earn that kind of redemption after his previous behavior. We've only seen the beginning of his redemption at the end of episode 8. It's one of the main faults of the shorter ten episode structure used in modern streaming television that there isn't enough time to properly depict the growth of a character.
Malloy singing at the end was nice, but I think having him sit down and start singing Blue Skies would have been hilarious. They could have had Bortus groan and complain about Irving Berlin.
It was nice too to see Alara return for the reception. If this does serve as a series finale, though many potential stories remain to be told in the Orville universe, it was a fitting scene to see everyone come full circle.
Actually there was no eay that it would not show up because this shiw damn near pays off everything they set up with 1 exception being Ed's daughter cause that was not really payed off.
I see what Seth’s doing. He’s doing a Downton Abbey. They give you drama, and then the season finale’s always a lovely little trifle, wrapped in a bow.
I loved that we didn't end on a typical action thriller! Thought it was a great warm fuzzy ending and plenty of comedy :) "hoooooraayyyy!"
Honestly, I chose to interpreted his watching over her children and her future descendants as a form of seeing her in her children and her descendants in a way. Like finding the tiny fragments of a person that they pass on to their children across the vast lineage in order to see something of a picture of the person you once knew. That's just the way that I interpreted it.
They should have had issac appear at his wedding in his natural form. They had a whole scene where the doc realized she needs to love someone for who they are. Then just to have him appear as a human seems to contradict that.
I managed not to cry. . . until Isaac put his hand on Ty's shoulder at the end. Then I lost it.
What a great finale. I love what they did with Issac/Claire and that they emotion ‘surgery’ failed as it kinda made Claire really see she could love him as he was and appreciate his love language even if it isn’t the traditional form of what she seen in himans. What I really appreciate about Issac is he doesn’t feel he needs to be fixed. His experiences are shaping how he emotes/shows emotion even if he doesn’t even see it for what it is. The fact he saw a mating ceremony and then proposed shows there’s something developing in that artificial intelligence brain beyond simple function and logic. I like that Claire came to see he does love, he just loves differently with different language.
In general this fun slice of life episode is a fab way to end the season. I hope it is not the ‘end’ of it all, but if it is. I am glad they gave themself the ability to close on a highnote with good feels instead of a cliffhanger. Even tho there are still storylines that are left to be explored. A strong season overall.
The Orville season finale was awesome pulling on the heart strings with the big stuff like the return of Alara and also not forgetting the little things with the return of the sandwich.
This series is the best, this is what Star Trek could have and indeed should have been.
All kidding aside, The Orville has shown how it should be done, let us hope the New Horizons franchise continues this going forward.
This isn't the end.
This episode felt more of an epilogue than a season finale. I do hope for a season 4.
Lysela is a great idea for a character that sees the 24th century from "our" 21st century perspective. It's a good mechanism for a way Sci-Fi writers can explore, explain and give reason to the Societal and technological advancements of such a future.
As an increasingly growing anti-Capitalist I appreciated the explanation of their "money" free society and how value and "currency" is measured by a peoples' passions, interests etc over things like money.
It was a lighthearted hopeful episode. It was a good send off. If we never see The Orville return this is a great way to go.
Another great episode from you and the Orville crew. The only issue I've had with this season has been returning characters. I felt I was constantly going "Who? Who's that, were they in a previous episode?" Eventually we get enough information to remember who some of these characters are, but the show seems to expect us to remember right away who Lycella is and what happened to Lamarr on her planet, or who Gordon's wife was from a show in a previous season. And considering the length of time between seasons, that can be a pretty long way back to recall. As much as I love The Orville, I think I've only seen every episode once, unlike TNG or DS9 which I've seen most episodes multiple time, thanks to syndication (back in the day).
I thought it was great they brought along that girl from the reddit planet. It's a way the audience can imagine themselves on the Orville b/c the Orville would take us along too. It's a thoughtful invitation if there is no season 4 (but there'll be a season 4).
Favorite quote of the series was here. It’s when Kelly is explaining the quantum core to Lyssa.
“You don’t become better people by getting this. You get this, but being better people.”
Perfection summation of all Star Trek.
I was really surprised how deeply Lisa’s story and character hit me in this episode. Somehow the Orville managed to capture my feelings of being a guilty immigrant who fled instead of fighting, leaving behind family and friends.
I left the country I was born in 10 years ago and since then it descended into a fascist dictatorship without anybody standing up against the regime. I don’t ever want want to go back, I know realistically I wouldn’t be able to help, and yet there’s always this guilt that I didn’t even try.
Oh and, yeah I think people coming from countries like mine already had this realisation, that communities need to evolve into democracy, or a star treck-y future etc. you can’t force it upon a society. That is the truth. And the worst part is sometimes they have to sink the lowest to learn their lesson, and it’s very hard to watch.
The same thing happened in the U.S. The thing is, I thought we'd be further along, but tRumphumpers literally scewed this country and made it a worse place. They literally set back this country 50 years. To me, the biggest thing about an optimistic future is not matter synthesis, a 3D printer is a simulation of matter synthesis, not unlimited energy, solar power is close to unlimited energy, but the greed and primitive need for power. The billionaires and the dictators want us to be slaves to them, and not have the free will.
I loved the episode, and you covered it well. I did find it odd that they had separate bachelor/bachelorette parties... it may be common today, but even now that's not always the way it's done any more.
The way the "prime directive" was discussed was interesting. Would love to see an episode of Trek and /or Orville that shows a socially advanced planet that already has a non-capitalist society. A society that would share tech advances with everyone but doesn't yet have the tech to save themselves from some disaster that the Enterprise/ Orville already has. Would love to explore this from multiple Trek like angles.
This wasn’t my favorite episode but I still enjoyed it a lot. I hope we haven’t seen the last of The Orville, there is so much story still to tell. I really like that on your review you mentioned Gene Roddenberry, I feel that his vision for the future is alive and well in The Orville and Strange New Worlds, I didn’t get that from Discovery or Picard. Since the seasons for Strange New Worlds and The Orville are over I’ll have to start watching some other show that you review so I can continue watching your channel 😝
Anyone else get a good laugh out of Isaac inviting the entire Kaylon species to the wedding and then the Kaylon Armada actually arriving?
Yeah, that was pretty epic how they were so matter of fact. Yes of course we will all come, except a small defense contingent of course
This was my favourite episode of the season, I always love character stuff more than huge space battles, and both plots were really interesting and a really nice palette cleanser after a lot of heavy and dark storylines.
I think there's a deeper layer to the Bortus situation at the wedding, it might be touching on the topic of mental handicaps like Aspersers or high functioning disorders that come out in social situations.
Had anyone else spoke like that , they woudlve probably got a verbal beating but the fact the whole crew gave him a pass means they've accepted Bortus , including his flaws.
Just food for thought.
If The Orville gets renewed for a Season 4, what they should do is have Yaphit (using existing dialogue of Norm MacDonald) announce he's retiring in the 1st episode & have his son be his replacement on the crew as a proper send off to the character, & his son could be voiced by Seth Green.
Always good to hear Scott Grimes singing.
To stay spoiler (-ish) free, I very nearly fell out of my chair when the "invited guests" arrived. That whole through line was too much!
I just finished watching the finale, I already miss it now.
The sandwich scene just caught me off guard! :) The comedy in this episode was just perfect!
I was smiling ear to ear, what a fantastic episode and lovely finale to Season 3. I have watched tons of tv shows with variety of Seasons and no TV show has given such an amazing Season of entertainment like Season 3 of The Orville. I am emotionally spent with joy and filled with anticipation for hopefully a Season 4.
I was half expecting Claire to throw John out an airlock
So the reason why I'm so late is because at Ep8, I stopped to binge the ENTIRE Orville because of FOMO! I caught up and cried all through S3 ep5, and finally saw the season finale. This is all thanks to you and your review of S3. Now I'm mad if there is no S4, but thanks to you for making me go through this show in its entirely, because I didn't trust my partner who was watching in 2019. Thank you again!
Can't wait for Lower Decks and everything else you do!🤩
Having just watched the finale here in Australia...I absolutely loved it ❤️
"Couple that says they are on break, but keep seeing each other says they get back together"
I've be saying all season that I felt like the show needed to get back to the comedy of the previous seasons and this episode really proves it to me. It was poignant, it was heartfelt, but it was also hilarious. Mercer's awkwardness about picking wedding dresses, the stag and hen parties, Malloy and him not being best man (even though he was pretty damn racist towards Bortus at one point) it worked. And the pacing was spot on.
This show cannot end! It kept getting better and better. Great show!!!
I actually almost cried... a beautiful ending to a FANTASTIC season of the Orville! There better be another season, I want to see more of Claire and Isaac together, they are so sweet 🥰 also I actually SCREAMED when Alara showed up, I wasn't expecting to see her again but it was awesome she came to the wedding (even if, a little late) and can we talk about how Kelly held Ed's hand?! I mean dzhffcrxg- sorry, gotta compose myself. Long story short, I loved it and #RenewTheOrville. We need more!
I am satisfied if this is the series finale. It was a lovely ride.
"Oh my god we've been tricked!!!"
"Sir, those are my wedding guests."
"Did you invite THE WHOLE PLANET???!!!"
"Affirmative."
Klyden's Hooray for Bortus -- I had a very similar reaction to my best friend (first puppy-love crush) seeing him dance. I didn't really know what it was at the time. We were kids. So hooray for Klyden and Bortus. I laughed hard at Bortus doing the Elvis impression.
I really liked the subplot with Lycella and the prime directive debate. I did not expect we would get to see anything more there. But oh, is it still relevant.
Loved Claire and Isaac throughout. Claire telling off Lamarr was well done. Lamarrr's reaction to the return of the egg salad sandwich was perfect. :) So much good stuff in this episode.
I really hope we get a renewal for season 4 and 5 of the Orville. I'm disappointed that we haven't had any word yet, but hopefully because it's moved to Disney+. They did so much great storytelling this season. We need more.
Another great episode and the perfect season finale. They really did their best to tie up loose ends; even the time travelling sandwich! The lighter and more humerous tone of this episode was a welcome change after the emotional rollercoaster of the past couple of weeks.
Also, kudos to the make-up team for those full body Moclan suits. They were very uh... convincing.
Orville is the modern star trek, not that we deserve, but the one that we needed
My husband and I have never laughed harder with The Orville than with this episode. The writers were just firing on all cylinders, using everything that's been built up with these characters and the universe to make these moments and punch lines hit so perfectly. The same for the emotional payoff with Claire and Isaac's relationship through everything, it was so beautiful and feels like the perfect culmination of what's been building for the show's entire run. And I adored them taking the time to explore the whole idea behind the "damned if you do" part of the Union's prime directive. I think we've all probably questioned it similarly before, as to why the more advanced scifi societies can't try to help lift up other cultures that are struggling, and it's great that The Orville established some real lore behind that kind of decision to make it against the law.
Really just a wonderful episode all around, and while I of course adore The Orville and want season 4, if this is truly the end it's a wonderfully bittersweet way to have it finish.
I was thinking about the nature of the chaser/runner relationship in the renewal ceremony, and I don't think it implies any kind of gender binary parallel (though the egg from season 1 kinda does). My theory is that the roles are decided based on who left the relationship to start with; Klyden was the one to leave Bortus and he was the one running and I feel it makes sense as a metaphor. I do think it's a little odd that they have a ritual for this purpose at all, given that their tradition for divorce is to murder their spouse.
May Claire and Isaac have many happy years together. And may he never just up and leave her to go live in a wormhole with the Prophets.
I think that rock throw was a reference to Worf saying Klingon women throw rocks while their men read poetry and duck
I think Jessie said it was also a callback to Arena in TOS with the Gorn.
I love The Orville, and I truly hope for (and will let Disney+/Hulu/Anyone else hear me advocate for) a fourth season at least. That said, I am glad that, facing the chance that this was the end of the series, they chose to forego the usual cliffhanger ending.
Many shows I've loved in the past, hoping that ending the season with a beloved character being shot or a terrible bomb explosion [that might have killed YOUR favorite character!] will stir up fan clamor for a new season only to not get it and the whole series being unwatchable on reruns because you know that investing only ends in a big WTF moment that will never be resolved.
IF this is the end, I will be sad, but I won't be dissatisfied. I can watch and rewatch knowing that there will be a 'Happily Ever After' of sorts.
Those Union white dress uniforms are on point.
I feel like the title “future unknown” is a jab at the fact that the future of the Orville is unknown.
I really enjoyed that this was a much more silly/light episode than the rest of the season. The season has been fantastic but this episode was just like taking in a cool breeze after the rest of the season.
I liked that the Claire and Isaac union goes a long way to solidify the robot and bio species being able to work together rather that killing one another.
In Kelly's place i would have shown her the destroyed planet way earlier.
The comedy was stronger in this episode and i loved it. That prolonged scene of Bortus and Kleyden touching foreheads.😅😅😅
So I have to admit this finale isn't what I was expecting at all. It caught me totally by surprise. But I have to admit.. I freaking liked it.
Summed up perfectly by a comment I read elsewhere (Thanks @Rachel Allcock ): "Would you really want the Orville to end with a funeral?"
Me: "Oh I should really start watching After Dark content!" *listens... gets horribly confused* "Galaxy Quest?"
...14 seconds. The Omega-13 could get me back to the start of this video.
Also, about the prime directive, I agree they do it much better here. First contact, for example, is allowed as long as the planet reaches out first. They don't give them tech of course, but they introduce themselves and show what the future can look like when ppl all work together and accept each other. :)
I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, and something horrible to happen, but it never did. It really was just a nice, sweet wedding episode.
I keep thinking about how they handled that whole "Lamar telling Issac to play the field" bit. A lesser show would have dragged it out and made it cringe AF, probably taking up half of the B plot. But they reign it in. He goes to Kelly first, they're able to get a few solid laughs in, but she's smart enough to figure out what's going on and cut it off before it gets out of hand. It's perfect. They take it just far enough. They're lite comedy at heart, but they're masters of moderation too. They know not to take it too far.
I have straight-up loved Kelly this season. As much as the character deserves her own command, truth be told, if she were the captain instead of the first officer, she wouldn't have been in the position she needed to be in to take a handle on a lot of these situations, with Topa, and with Issac, and such. She does deserve her own command, though, and I would totally watch an Adrianne Palicki led spin-off series. But first things first, let's get this series renewed first.
I actually like the description of life in the Union that Kelly gives. It even sounds more preferable than the Federation as described by Picard. I think it's because of the more informal tone of The Orville than TNG. Everyone in TNG seems to be so perfect and uptight. In the Orville people gossip, get hammered, swear... you know, act like people. I think it's why I also liked ds9 and Jake - a person who wanted to do something other than join Starfleet. I'm not in the STEM fields and Trek seems to forget that there's an entire universe of people who aren't scientists and engineers.
I rather enjoyed the pacing choice overall by putting a more lighthearted episode at the end instead of the epic spectacle episode. It was frefreshing from the usual formula where a show does its callbacks and lighthearted humor before the crazy, over-the-top finale.
I would have liked to hear a little more of the conversations the kaylon were having with the other guests, and peppering everyone with questions akin to Issac in previous seasons. It would have been a good contrast to show how far Issac had come.
Thr formal uniforms I actually thought were beautiful and I really need to comment makeup and wardrobe more. From the alien to the suburban to the space age, they did an amazing job of really making everyone distinct.
I was a little sad to see Yaphet take the backseat this season as our favorite green blob of snarky comments was mostly side comments each episode, but I understand with the growing cast other needed time to shine.
Back to the episode. It was very heartfelt and genuine. I felt myself saying "the Kaylon DO have emotions, but they aren't processed the same way as a biological. Even still, thier most prominent" feelongs" are curiosity and retrophobia.
I did feel that the season was not as funny as the previous ones, but it seems the best humor was saved for this and I was in stitches multiple times. I had to rewind many times because of how much I missed while I was laughing.
The audience connection to all the characters and even humanizing the villains and making the audience understand where they were coming from and giving them valid points was a thin line that the writers nailed on the head.
If this is the end, I will be sad, but it would be with a poignant smile of fondness, for this show has stolen my heart.
The series is coming to Disney+ on aug 10, and many people believe that how well it does there determines if we get another season. So please tell your D+ pals!
Do you think going forward (hoping there are more episodes🤞🏾) Isaac will keep the Kaylon form or present in the human form now that they are married? It seems when Finn and Isaac go on dates in the Environmental Simulator Isaac takes human form and for the wedding.
This episode implies dolphins are a member of the union… or at least have more intelligence than we give them credit for. I hope we get more clarification on this later
I was right about wedding, Bortus and Clyde, and even that time-traveling sandwich!
Can season 3 of Star Trek The Lower Decks out top season 3 of The Orville?🤔
I'm just so happy that they brought Gordon's sandwich back. I was a little worried about the Kaylon stripper as if one of the actual Kaylon walked into the wrong simulator then all hell would break out lol. One thing I would add to it is if Claire threw the bouquet and Kaylon Prime caught it and Dan started flirting 🤣🤣🤣
Also the people that "evolve" 700 years every 11 days, I think are more akin to Star Trek's Q than an existential threat like the Borg.
I was thinking the Kaylon was going to fit that mold, but perhaps the series will go a different and more complex direction for the Kaylon.
I loved that Claire and Issac got married. I know Issac loves her but can't feel it. I love the.whole storyline and it brought the whole of the season together .I hope there is a season 4 of this series.
It's an interesting comment about what LOVE actually is. LOVE is about willingness to make your actions/goals/ambitions about benefiting someone other than yourself. By that definition, Isaac loves Claire has he's willing to reorient his goals/objectives around her needs. If you note, Isaac (who is supposedly incapable of being offended) in witnessing the best man speech from Bortus observed how uncomfortable Claire was becoming and how awkward everyone else felt at the content of the speech, and quickly and rather politely brought Gordon into to save the day! That perceptiveness and willingness to take action for the comfort of another is love!
A fitting finale to a wonderful show. I kind of want it to end there but I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it's potential return either.
A good episode to end a great season, please we need more Orville.
I really liked this episode. I would LOVE to have more - but I really don't see it in the cards, unfortunately. But - its been a good and fun ride. :-)
"The Prime directive is more what you call a guideline than an actual rule." :P
I felt it lacked a bit of kick _for a season finale_ or even _show finale_ . That doesn't mean I think it was bad. But it does align with the weird pacing the whole season had.
All jokes asi--
It was a nice introspective episode, we got to see most of Isaac's whole family at the wedding. All j-- oh no I already burned that joke
Lysella storyline was a bit telegraphed, but it was ok. I wonder if she'll stick around if the show's renewed (it better be! We still have a cr×pton of loose ends!)
The most "show closing" thing was that _handholding_ at the very end between Kelly and Ed. Which I am not sure how to feel about. I'm kinda happy for them and they both grew a lot since the beginning of the show, but at the same time they do work so well as friends and their past history will always be there, so yeah, I'm divided on this.
Long story short, They Better Give Us Season 4 Because This Can't Be The Ending Of The Show.
Edit: ok, I loved Ed's order to hail Union Central so they don't think the Kaylon are preparing a full scale invasion🤣😂
Just as you said, absolutely stellar season and an amazing way to end it. (Hopefully not the series tho)
However, I have one Giant gripe about this episode that no one is talking about and it bugs me...
This entire episode was about Claire marrying Isaac...a human marrying a Kaylon.
Not ONE empowering line about how these two species were former enemies and how their relationship is beautiful? Or how this marrige will strengthen the alliance between Federation and Kaylon? Or how it contiunes Charly's domino last episode? Nothing at all?
I get it's just a small bit of missed potential but still this should be at least Mildly important to the general galaxy...star system...universe place. Jeez
But other than that 10 on 10 :)
I loved this episode, but felt it was slightly bittersweet. Like all Orville episodes, it carried some subtle and less-than-subtle messages apart from the ribbing and sci-fi elements: information about relationships, about misunderstandings, about intent not necessarily reflecting the right answers. I hope #RenewTheOrville pans out, as there are clearly more stories to be told in this universe. But if not, this was a smile-worthy closure to the series.
Loved this season, thought episode nine was better than Strange New Worlds and THAT'S my new favorite show!
I was half expecting Sisko to show up to the wedding and punch Isaac in the face.
This season blew away my expectations. So good, I really hope for S4.
I prayed and hoped that this show will be renewed for a fourth season, I really hate to see The Orville ended in just three seasons just like the Star Trek TOS.
I loved almost everything about this episode. It loved that it was quiet and touching, and not a big, action-packed finale. Honestly, the only thing I didn't like was Bortus catching Klyden. I really, really want Klyden to just go away and never come back. I have come to loathe him (nothing against his actor, just the character grates on me in all the wrong ways). Bortus and Klyden have such a toxic relationship and I wish Bortus would just kick him out, permanently. Bortus deserves better. (Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest).
Really got into the song Secret O' Life that Scott Grimes sings, i thought at first it sounded very James Taylor like and then find out it is a song done by Taylor
A great season finale, and if it comes to it, series finale.
I really enjoy the finale episodes being lower stakes and having the big action episodes as the penultimate episodes, gives us time to breathe.
Some dangling threads for a potential season 4, fingers toes and everything crossed for this.
Also: Shoutout to the reputation based economy in Trekonomics...
I do wonder how good of a representation of marriage that was for the visiting Kaylon. Clare called Isaac an idiot on the con for essentially inviting his family because they couldn’t all fit. There was nothing in the vows about helping each other or it being a partnership. Both toasts (but especially Bortus’) were not helpful (so mean the only thing missing was a ball & chain joke). And as gorgeous as that ending song was it did say “welcome to the human life” or whatever. Of course that was a last minute thing by Gordon so it’s forgivable. And I get from a production standpoint that Isaac was in his human form so we could have an actual kiss but from a Kaylon point of view how would that look? He can’t be himself?
But I guess if we’re lucky enough to have the Orville renewed it’s something that can be talked about.
Loved this season as a whole. Think some of it could have been tightened up just a bit (I love gorgeous movie like shots but did we need to see Isaac take literally every step around the ship in the beginning of this episode?). But overall 10/10