She tackled this subject pretty well. If your reasoning for wanting to work with a company like cover is solely because you’re a fan then it won’t really bode well unless you also have passion for the work itself. And she mentioned, one could really love Ramen but probably wouldn’t want to work at a Ramen shop themselves lol *On at lighter note* Meanwhile Calli: Barely knows what Hololive was -> Applies just because -> Gets accept -> ??? -> Profit
She did know Hololive a little bit before joining, her thing was she applied with a friend that was a bigger fan, not thinking she would be choose, then stuff happens and we are here
Oh yeah, that's sound reasoning. Like you can love playing video games but most people would probably think twice before jumping straight into developing a video game, even then ones they "would like to play". Edit: Apparently I've been ninja'd by Meongya
@@SuperBoat-su7xc Nothing I said was wrong though buddy. I just didn’t go into the finer details and kept it very minimal. My Calli statement doesn’t even contradict what Kraig just said either. 🙃
This is such a perfect answer. I'm working in the game industry and it's the same. Playing games and making games are different, but if you hate games, what the heck are you doing there?
i mean hey, i don't like drawing... it just so happened i got some inkling of a talent for it... now i'm in charge of a whole team in an animation company.
Meanwhile at Subaru interview - Do you play videogames? - No. - Do you have interest in otaku culture? - Not really - Do you have skills on idol activities? - Nope - You are hired.
It's like how Choco enrolled in culinary courses in vocational school after high school, and ended up being the only one left of the people who joined because she didn't like cooking, and thus had zero expectations for how the work is.
And of course she's being serious. Employment and doing a good job is a serious matter. If fans want to apply, the question must be asked, "if you're not capable of the job, do you want to be the one responsible for causing the people you admire problems?" I certainly hope not.
Wow it is such a mature answer. Yeah we need to separate between liking the end product and liking the process. Like her example, it is different between like to eat ramen and like to make ramen.
People like Subaru really are a once in a lifetime sort of thing and we're all the better for it. It's almost impossible to imagine her getting into Hololive today, especially since (as she said) it was mostly thanks to Yagoo liking her spirit during the auditions that she managed to get in. She grew into what she is today over time, but Cover likely gets so many applications these days from people who are already at that point.
That is one professional level of answer. I was thinking along the lines of "if you're having fun with your work then you wouldn't be working anymore". it's a tough task to blur the gap between hard challenging work and fun leisure and I did met a few people who have done it. I envy these kind of people but it's a goal everyone of us should strive to achieve. A-chan is definitely among those people.
Its the same idea behind enjoying sausage, but only until you know what other less familiar bits are processed into sausage to create the thing you enjoy. End of the day, if you're the type to want to know the inner workings and will enjoy being part of the cog assembly(or just the grease that keeps things from grinding to a halt), then sure, working for Cover as a staff member could be a dream gig. If you're the type to want recognition from your oshi and would feel slighted if they didn't become your friend because you're helping them out, you're probably not the right kind of person to be privy to the inner workings of the company to begin with. End of the day, you need to know where you stand and why you think working there would be desirable. It's also their job though to identify those who're looking to leverage the access to their talents for their own reasons and make sure no one too unsavoury is allowed to compromise their system/product.
I wasn't a fan of food & beverage industry before. Few years ago I was working in bakery department I actually find it enjoying the process. The working atmosphere was fun too. Friends and surround situations do help in some cases.
Have you ever work with induction cooktop? Normally you imagine working back at the stove is damp sweaty hot all day, induction make it way way way better air quality wise. While it's still tiring standing around all day at least you don't feel like you are the one who is being cooked while working.
I, on the other hand, enjoy cooking and baking very much and back in the day thought it would be a dream to open a bakery. Just as I start to optimize the recipe for cost though, all the fun is gone. And when I start to think about running cost and everything else? That dream got shelfed now. My dream now is to doing my best with current job so that I can retire to be an old man who bakes for fun and gives the product to neighbor instead, lol.
It's a great point that applies to any interest. You may like idols, games, sports, etc. But do you have the same interest when it comes to doing the work and production side? It may not be for you, you may lose your passion as a fan, it may not suit your personal skillset, etc. On the reverse as well as you may come to enjoy it by surprise. Do what suits you best (of course life isn't so easy)!
@@Piccolololmao if you're great at your hobby its worse, you're depended on more to help around the company and unless you're guaranteed to move up in the company that can mean working 12-16 hours a day because you happen to be the best. happened to me with chemistry, i probably won't go back into that field ever again.
@@iiiCorrosiveiii that's an extreme scenario. Logic is if you're great do it for money. You can have 1-10+ other hobbies. You can be great and enjoy your job, you might hate it sometimes but the root of it is enjoymeny that makes it bareable than any other option as a job.
I used to say to my friends : "You think you like your profession? Try doing it for 3-5 years and come back to me." Most of them do still work in their professions, but what they like changes. For example, my friends who supervises programmmers used to hate talking to people, now they liked it. Others find pleasure in the rewards or friends they made in their work. Some do fell out and work other things. So, you like something? If you like it to the point of testing yourself for it, you're brave - but be prepared for a shift in your perspective. My personal experience.
Very good job seeking advice in general, really. Enjoy the actual work that will be involved first, and the brand/product second. I always get concerned whenever see comments saying "I'm going to be a vtuber and join Hololive!" from people who are very clearly still in school. How much are they looking at the end product (streams and viewership) and not the actual effort put in to make that possible, is something I always ask myself. A-chans statements also reminds me of when my parents used to ask me why I don't become a game developer since I love video games and have some coding background. I like playing them, but I don't want to know or experience how the sausage is made. I feel that would sour me on video games forever.
This advice is similar to what I give to high schoolers and freshmen who want to get into programming. If you're only interested in creating the next big thing in tech, you're gonna be useless when we need you to do something that isn't that. If you're liking the pay range and want to get in for that, you're gonna have a tough time when you realize that pay is to apologize for all the calls you get at 2AM because someone didn't tell a container to automatically restart itself. But yeah, if you join a company like Cover, just realize you're not going to be doing just the things that you as a fan get to see on stream. There's a lot to do that isn't that, after all...
Honestly would be better to get people who enjoy working where they are if possible. Especially in Japan you don't have that option and passionate people do seem like a dual sided blade
@@jordanholloman5907 Be nice, could be any number of things: a regional variant of the phrase, a non-native speaker trying to use phrases he heard once or twice before, or even someone who didn't know the phrase existed in English and tried translating the phrase from their own language. Japanese has the exact same phrase as 諸刃の剣 "moroha no tsurugi" and 諸刃の刃 "moroha no yaiba" for instance, so it wouldn't surprise me if other languages have it too.
Listening to A-chan answering the question seriously made me wanna think of my future seriously too. Sasuga. Reminds me when Ui-mama sang Gunjou. It's a really great song.
I like to think that while it is important that you pursue a job because you enjoy it from an external perspective, your passions should never be the sole deciding factor. The internal workings of whatever it is you enjoy so much have the potential to completely negate and even outweigh all the positives you had previously believed characterized the job. Additionally, the entertainment industry is very much an industry where the end result intentionally tries to hide all the difficulties and challenges which went into the production.
Excellent answer from A-chan. A lot of people who like the final product are not up for dealing with how the proverbial sausage is made. Or ramen, for that matter. And a lot of people who are qualified to do the work are not interested due to the company's relatively niche audience compared to the rest of the entertainment industry, although that's definitely changing over time.
"I like games, I want to make games" is the same to me, what I really want is playing games not making them, well I still ended up being a programmer though just not for games.
don't just love the end product but the process too if You want to work at Hololive. If your expectation to work at Hololive is just to meet their talents then stay as fan.
If you want to be a vtuber and like Hololive, you need to think about NOT joining Cover. If that burns a hole in your heart, only then should you consider auditioning. Learning what is behind what you love to consume can be painful.. but for some people that will lead to opportunity.
As a viewer, I much prefer seeing less experienced talents start out in Hololive and then watching them grow and mature as they gain more experience. I think it's more organic way of growing a fanbase since both the streamer and the viewers grow together. As opposed to hiring on someone who is already super experienced in content creation. The scuff is what makes it relatable and fun. Without that, it gets boring really quickly. Obviously I'm not saying people with no experience should be considered. But I think there is like a goldilocks zone between being unskilled and being super skilled where they are skilled enough and show potential but still have a lot of room for growth. Like Myth is a good example. They all had obvious talent in content creation but the new environment was obviously a new frontier for them and you could see it. Watching as they grew to adapt is something that cemented in a loyal fanbase. If they were as talented then as they are now, I don't think they would have been nearly as successful.
A-chan has the right of it. Managing people is a very specific job that requires a certain specific set of skills, with a certain temperament on top of that, that allows them to make sure their workers are performing at their best at any given time. It's not something that anyone can do; I think most, if not all, of us have known at least one person who had a management position but not the temperament, and it resulted in a group of miserable workers. At the same time, knowing your product and being a fan will also reduce stress for not only you but also the workers who report to you.
in short, if you have the skill, you can join hololive management. if you dont have the skill, you cant join it. they will not accept you just because you are a fan. they will look into your abilities. being a fan is a plus because you can communicate well with co worker.
Basically, consuming something is different from producing it. Using the same example she gave, just because you like eating ramen it doesn't necessarily means you will enjoy making ramen
in summary, it's not that you shouldn't join cover, but rather that liking a product shouldn't factor into your reasoning to join a company that much compared to other factors that will influence how much you enjoy the work. it's not so much a negative statement as a statement of non-relatedness
remember Hololive/Cover accepted fans from the translators community to translate stuff like the official website and the main Hololive channel. (IAmVisco, lyger, BecauseOfReasons etc.)
@@burukani Nope. From what I heard, Lyger actually accepted as a full-time employee by Cover as a translator and he's already living in Japan even before that. I may be wrong tho.
for me, this lesson came from great teacher onizuka.. he inspired me to try harder in school to be a teacher that takes care of each student.. something my teachers didnt do and i ended up in a very dark place because of it. but the truth is, even if teachers wants to do things, they cant because the politics of school and school curriculum still being outdated and the same since industrial age
Reminds me of a family friend, who before joining the army had worked at a cherry factory as a taste tester. Before he worked there he would eat dozens of cherries and cherry flavored product each week. So he thought he'd love working as a taste tester.. He now hates cherries, and even the smell of cherries will make him nauseous and he cannot even stand foods that have a tiny bit of cherry.. Literally turned his favorite food into his most hated food.
Iono man, I was once a bartender, and I still love wine and cocktails, so... But for real, Work is work. Sure you can enjoy working where you work, but before that, your job is a big part of your life. Be careful. Be professional. Stay classy.
The same reason why otakus don't become directors of anime or producers for idols, but instead critics. It's easier to enjoy something while ignoring the effort it took to make.
Just be a workaholic mindset. It's just a bonus if you enjoy the job or not. I've been in both but I lasts for 7 years in the job that I unexpectedly enjoy despite having a low salary compared to the high paying job that I dream working on but has a very uncooperative fellow workers and a toxic boss, which I lasts for 5 months. I wonder what would I be if got the good in both worlds, lol. Must be good.
My game dev teacher once said : "making fun games is serious business." Aspiring people should be under no illusion that the happy, fun things they see means the work done in the background is also whimsical and stress free. This is also why I look up to the idols, they must put some serious effort behind the scenes that they never show to the public. The iceberg analogy can be applied here. We only see a fraction of the effort being put to the end product.
If I may make a suggestion for future translated clips: "Live" with a capital L is a pretty reasonable take on the word ライブ, but the thing is, that word literally just means "concert." Maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine, but I always wince a little when I see ライブ (as a noun, anyway) translated as "live," be it big-L or small, as it's kind of the first step toward Anycolor's constant use of "Liver" as an English translation of ライバー in official press releases about Nijisanji talents -- and I REALLY wince when I see that, since the first thought that crosses my mind every single time is, "So the Nijisanji talents are bodily organs that process toxins, then?" ;) Bottom line: I recommend using "concert" as a translation for ライブ in future clips, though that may just be me! Heheh.
Live is the proper word though. It's less of a concert and more of a live performance. Even in official English announcements they call them "lives." Like, you wouldn't call a stage play a "concert." It's the same concept.
@@R3_dacted0 The thing is, in Japanese, they ARE calling them concerts. That's literally what the word ライブ ("live") means in Japanese -- like so many other English borrow-words, it may be based on an English word, but it's universally misused, much as パンツ ("pants") only ever refers to underwear, or サンド ("sand") only ever refers to sandwiches. And... I think you WOULD call them concerts, honestly. Though there are skits between musical performances, there has never been a "live" from a Hololive vtuber that hasn't been centered around the music. And I've been to any number of concerts that have been structured identically to this, with little skits and things between each of the songs in the performers' set -- They Might Be Giants is a great example, as they ALWAYS do random crap between songs, wheeling out a confetti cannon and shooting it into the audience, or holding a whole faux-educational skit before performing Why Does the Sun Shine, etc. I guess it's a matter of perspective, but just for me, as a translator by profession, I find the 1:1 translation of ライブ as "live" to be a bit off the mark -- though I do at least appreciate that it was capped here. Hopefully we can both agree that "Liver" is just terrible, however, and Anycolor should be ashamed of themselves for using that word in English press releases. ;)
Is it just me, or is she sounds kinda different at this instance? I used to be unable to tell the difference between her voice and Lui-nee's, but now A-chan's voice seems to sound one or two pitches higher. Or perhaps all this time my mind has been playing tricks on me...
did this code for anyone that wants to join hololive need to think twice? it's like they trying build up their quality and need someone that really have god skill for entertaining people and able grow up the channel ,, they don't want someone that just believe they can but able considered bad and good that will happen,, i think there are someone that just keep stream cuz money but not happy with it, we can found too like that on office who work just for money
Same with Japan. You like Japan products (anime, vtuber, culture), but you not neccesserily able to survive Japan. For me, come to Japan as tourist and living in Japan is 2 different opposite experience
In my case, I start having less fun with my hobby when I start getting paid for it. Even as I watch others' work, many times I end up trying to learn their techniques instead of just enjoying it for fun.
When it's a company, always go for "I need a job, they are prestigious and pay well." Instead of "They were influential to my coming of age/dreams so my dedication will be top notch."
most of Vtuber fans are not content creators, and most of content creators are not Vtuber fans, and those content crators who are fans don't think they would enjoy working under an agency, squeeze that even further, you'll be surprised of how low barrier to entry to Hololive ...even people who don't know anything or straight dislike Vtuber and the culture are accepted...as long as they willing to keep streaming under Cover corp.
Hololive is very restrictive. If you think you can collab with anyone you wish, forget it. Even them collabing with Holostars boys is a pain. Nijisanji is better. No restrictions on whomever the wanna collab with and they are free to crash in. I still remember Debiru and Roa just crashing in Belmond Banderas's stream while he was playing Minecraft and just wrecked havoc. Even Pomu accidentally crashed into his stream at one time. Then there's the ID livers who would come into the EN livers stream anytime
"Even them collabing with Holostars boys is a pain" it's up to the talent themselves, the company clearly don't forbid them "Nijisanji is better. No restrictions on whomever the wanna collab with" you say this when they banned kson, seriously ? just go back to whatever hole you were from lol
Makes sense. being a fan means you like what is produced, rather than you wanting to make that production. Even if you want to support them, if you literally don't know HOW to, then you're really not fit for the job, and if you somehow get in, it's gonna be hell cause you're just struggling to figure everything out.
![A-chan Mispronounces Suisei's Name (Hololive) [Eng Subs]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vX-J1ViibcA/mqdefault.jpg)
![Subaru "Extrovert-Side" is crying when she can't join to the conversation [Both POVs]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Tf7Sbn_IfQ0/mqdefault.jpg)
She tackled this subject pretty well. If your reasoning for wanting to work with a company like cover is solely because you’re a fan then it won’t really bode well unless you also have passion for the work itself. And she mentioned, one could really love Ramen but probably wouldn’t want to work at a Ramen shop themselves lol
*On at lighter note*
Meanwhile Calli: Barely knows what Hololive was -> Applies just because -> Gets accept -> ??? -> Profit
She did know Hololive a little bit before joining, her thing was she applied with a friend that was a bigger fan, not thinking she would be choose, then stuff happens and we are here
Indeed. The same reason why one could love playing games and wouldn't like to make games since the two are totally different things.
@@DeviusKrieg Ignore that guy, he sometimes comment partly wrong stuff and never bother changing when people corrects him
Oh yeah, that's sound reasoning. Like you can love playing video games but most people would probably think twice before jumping straight into developing a video game, even then ones they "would like to play".
Edit: Apparently I've been ninja'd by Meongya
@@SuperBoat-su7xc Nothing I said was wrong though buddy. I just didn’t go into the finer details and kept it very minimal. My Calli statement doesn’t even contradict what Kraig just said either. 🙃
This is such a perfect answer. I'm working in the game industry and it's the same. Playing games and making games are different, but if you hate games, what the heck are you doing there?
"if you hate games, what the heck are you doing there?"
EA, Blizzard: "I like money"
i mean hey, i don't like drawing... it just so happened i got some inkling of a talent for it... now i'm in charge of a whole team in an animation company.
@@indiomie do you like working that position then? I’d imagine it’s hard to really like your job if you don’t like the actual work you’re doing.
Meanwhile at Subaru interview
- Do you play videogames?
- No.
- Do you have interest in otaku culture?
- Not really
- Do you have skills on idol activities?
- Nope
- You are hired.
lol
It's like how Choco enrolled in culinary courses in vocational school after high school, and ended up being the only one left of the people who joined because she didn't like cooking, and thus had zero expectations for how the work is.
And of course she's being serious. Employment and doing a good job is a serious matter. If fans want to apply, the question must be asked, "if you're not capable of the job, do you want to be the one responsible for causing the people you admire problems?" I certainly hope not.
Wow it is such a mature answer. Yeah we need to separate between liking the end product and liking the process. Like her example, it is different between like to eat ramen and like to make ramen.
A-chan is spitting the facts. Liking the content doesn't mean you're good at working on it.
Agreed. It's similar to liking the process of making baby doesn't mean liking the end product.
@@Meonium Pfffft
@@Meonium LOL
@@Meonium Lmao
Choco-sen once talked about this too, if you start a job because you dreamed about it, the dream will shatter because of the harsh reality
Guess not everyone can be a golden goose(duck) like Subaru who didn't know anything about cover yet is still going strong
She became an anime girl who rarely watch anime and barely play any game before lol
@@negation1029 she also has tragic backstory syndrome too.
The Sun is build different
People like Subaru really are a once in a lifetime sort of thing and we're all the better for it. It's almost impossible to imagine her getting into Hololive today, especially since (as she said) it was mostly thanks to Yagoo liking her spirit during the auditions that she managed to get in. She grew into what she is today over time, but Cover likely gets so many applications these days from people who are already at that point.
Subaru had also one chance and she reached a point in life that she couldn't do as trying Hololive.
That is one professional level of answer. I was thinking along the lines of "if you're having fun with your work then you wouldn't be working anymore". it's a tough task to blur the gap between hard challenging work and fun leisure and I did met a few people who have done it. I envy these kind of people but it's a goal everyone of us should strive to achieve. A-chan is definitely among those people.
Its the same idea behind enjoying sausage, but only until you know what other less familiar bits are processed into sausage to create the thing you enjoy. End of the day, if you're the type to want to know the inner workings and will enjoy being part of the cog assembly(or just the grease that keeps things from grinding to a halt), then sure, working for Cover as a staff member could be a dream gig.
If you're the type to want recognition from your oshi and would feel slighted if they didn't become your friend because you're helping them out, you're probably not the right kind of person to be privy to the inner workings of the company to begin with. End of the day, you need to know where you stand and why you think working there would be desirable. It's also their job though to identify those who're looking to leverage the access to their talents for their own reasons and make sure no one too unsavoury is allowed to compromise their system/product.
I wasn't a fan of food & beverage industry before. Few years ago I was working in bakery department I actually find it enjoying the process. The working atmosphere was fun too. Friends and surround situations do help in some cases.
Have you ever work with induction cooktop? Normally you imagine working back at the stove is damp sweaty hot all day, induction make it way way way better air quality wise. While it's still tiring standing around all day at least you don't feel like you are the one who is being cooked while working.
I, on the other hand, enjoy cooking and baking very much and back in the day thought it would be a dream to open a bakery. Just as I start to optimize the recipe for cost though, all the fun is gone. And when I start to think about running cost and everything else? That dream got shelfed now. My dream now is to doing my best with current job so that I can retire to be an old man who bakes for fun and gives the product to neighbor instead, lol.
It's a great point that applies to any interest. You may like idols, games, sports, etc. But do you have the same interest when it comes to doing the work and production side? It may not be for you, you may lose your passion as a fan, it may not suit your personal skillset, etc. On the reverse as well as you may come to enjoy it by surprise. Do what suits you best (of course life isn't so easy)!
Basically "don't make your hobby become your job". Worst case, you might end up losing your hobby.
One of the great sayings that I still follow to this day.
Depends if you're crap or great st your hobby
@@Piccolololmao if you're great at your hobby its worse, you're depended on more to help around the company and unless you're guaranteed to move up in the company that can mean working 12-16 hours a day because you happen to be the best. happened to me with chemistry, i probably won't go back into that field ever again.
@@iiiCorrosiveiii that's an extreme scenario. Logic is if you're great do it for money. You can have 1-10+ other hobbies.
You can be great and enjoy your job, you might hate it sometimes but the root of it is enjoymeny that makes it bareable than any other option as a job.
True
Play to your strengths, and if your interests happen to align with those strengths, you're golden. Solid advice.
I used to say to my friends : "You think you like your profession? Try doing it for 3-5 years and come back to me."
Most of them do still work in their professions, but what they like changes.
For example, my friends who supervises programmmers used to hate talking to people, now they liked it. Others find pleasure in the rewards or friends they made in their work.
Some do fell out and work other things.
So, you like something? If you like it to the point of testing yourself for it, you're brave - but be prepared for a shift in your perspective.
My personal experience.
Very good job seeking advice in general, really. Enjoy the actual work that will be involved first, and the brand/product second. I always get concerned whenever see comments saying "I'm going to be a vtuber and join Hololive!" from people who are very clearly still in school. How much are they looking at the end product (streams and viewership) and not the actual effort put in to make that possible, is something I always ask myself.
A-chans statements also reminds me of when my parents used to ask me why I don't become a game developer since I love video games and have some coding background. I like playing them, but I don't want to know or experience how the sausage is made. I feel that would sour me on video games forever.
This advice is similar to what I give to high schoolers and freshmen who want to get into programming. If you're only interested in creating the next big thing in tech, you're gonna be useless when we need you to do something that isn't that. If you're liking the pay range and want to get in for that, you're gonna have a tough time when you realize that pay is to apologize for all the calls you get at 2AM because someone didn't tell a container to automatically restart itself.
But yeah, if you join a company like Cover, just realize you're not going to be doing just the things that you as a fan get to see on stream. There's a lot to do that isn't that, after all...
I wish I would've read this exact comment like 4 years ago lmao
Fantastic advice
What the heck. That was incredibly articulate! Came in expecting memes, but came out rather enlightened. As expected of A-chan!
It is just common sense but many people do not have it so it is very nice of A-chan to address this
"Conflict of interest" as simple as that
Honestly would be better to get people who enjoy working where they are if possible. Especially in Japan you don't have that option and passionate people do seem like a dual sided blade
The phrase is "double edged sword/blade"
@@r3ll282 How did he not know that term?
@@jordanholloman5907 Be nice, could be any number of things: a regional variant of the phrase, a non-native speaker trying to use phrases he heard once or twice before, or even someone who didn't know the phrase existed in English and tried translating the phrase from their own language. Japanese has the exact same phrase as 諸刃の剣 "moroha no tsurugi" and 諸刃の刃 "moroha no yaiba" for instance, so it wouldn't surprise me if other languages have it too.
@@RykenInverse I had no idea how to phrase the question better.
@@jordanholloman5907 "How did he not -even- know that term?"
Listening to A-chan answering the question seriously made me wanna think of my future seriously too. Sasuga. Reminds me when Ui-mama sang Gunjou. It's a really great song.
I like to think that while it is important that you pursue a job because you enjoy it from an external perspective, your passions should never be the sole deciding factor. The internal workings of whatever it is you enjoy so much have the potential to completely negate and even outweigh all the positives you had previously believed characterized the job. Additionally, the entertainment industry is very much an industry where the end result intentionally tries to hide all the difficulties and challenges which went into the production.
Excellent answer from A-chan. A lot of people who like the final product are not up for dealing with how the proverbial sausage is made. Or ramen, for that matter. And a lot of people who are qualified to do the work are not interested due to the company's relatively niche audience compared to the rest of the entertainment industry, although that's definitely changing over time.
she answer that question really well
A-chan : this answer is dangerous. can potentially sabotage my own company.
ps. great answer 10/10.
A-chan is wise beyond her years
she's been sora's wingman (wingwoman?) since before they even joined hololive, i'd imagine she would be wise
shes not wrong like u can like games but hate the process in creating a game. like theres people who loves to eat but hates to cook
"I like games, I want to make games" is the same to me, what I really want is playing games not making them, well I still ended up being a programmer though just not for games.
don't just love the end product but the process too if You want to work at Hololive. If your expectation to work at Hololive is just to meet their talents then stay as fan.
I believe A-chan is perfect on her job and so lucky that Cover has her. That ramen analogy is on point.
If you want to be a vtuber and like Hololive, you need to think about NOT joining Cover. If that burns a hole in your heart, only then should you consider auditioning.
Learning what is behind what you love to consume can be painful.. but for some people that will lead to opportunity.
As a viewer, I much prefer seeing less experienced talents start out in Hololive and then watching them grow and mature as they gain more experience. I think it's more organic way of growing a fanbase since both the streamer and the viewers grow together. As opposed to hiring on someone who is already super experienced in content creation.
The scuff is what makes it relatable and fun. Without that, it gets boring really quickly.
Obviously I'm not saying people with no experience should be considered. But I think there is like a goldilocks zone between being unskilled and being super skilled where they are skilled enough and show potential but still have a lot of room for growth. Like Myth is a good example. They all had obvious talent in content creation but the new environment was obviously a new frontier for them and you could see it. Watching as they grew to adapt is something that cemented in a loyal fanbase. If they were as talented then as they are now, I don't think they would have been nearly as successful.
Love for Yagoo will carry you through any difficulty should you decide to join cover. Daijoubu
It's the difference between being a fan and being an actual candidate who is also a fan.
A-chan has the right of it. Managing people is a very specific job that requires a certain specific set of skills, with a certain temperament on top of that, that allows them to make sure their workers are performing at their best at any given time. It's not something that anyone can do; I think most, if not all, of us have known at least one person who had a management position but not the temperament, and it resulted in a group of miserable workers.
At the same time, knowing your product and being a fan will also reduce stress for not only you but also the workers who report to you.
in short, if you have the skill, you can join hololive management. if you dont have the skill, you cant join it. they will not accept you just because you are a fan. they will look into your abilities. being a fan is a plus because you can communicate well with co worker.
Basically, consuming something is different from producing it. Using the same example she gave, just because you like eating ramen it doesn't necessarily means you will enjoy making ramen
in summary, it's not that you shouldn't join cover, but rather that liking a product shouldn't factor into your reasoning to join a company that much compared to other factors that will influence how much you enjoy the work. it's not so much a negative statement as a statement of non-relatedness
remember Hololive/Cover accepted fans from the translators community to translate stuff like the official website and the main Hololive channel. (IAmVisco, lyger, BecauseOfReasons etc.)
This is also because they knew about their skill and dedication aside from the fact that they liked Hololive
They are more like freelancer not real employee who need to go to office daily.
@@burukani Nope. From what I heard, Lyger actually accepted as a full-time employee by Cover as a translator and he's already living in Japan even before that. I may be wrong tho.
bcs they also good and like the process of making content.
And then there is Choco just being like "I hate cooking, I'm gonna go to cooking school and make it my job after"
for me, this lesson came from great teacher onizuka.. he inspired me to try harder in school to be a teacher that takes care of each student.. something my teachers didnt do and i ended up in a very dark place because of it. but the truth is, even if teachers wants to do things, they cant because the politics of school and school curriculum still being outdated and the same since industrial age
Reminds me of a family friend, who before joining the army had worked at a cherry factory as a taste tester. Before he worked there he would eat dozens of cherries and cherry flavored product each week. So he thought he'd love working as a taste tester..
He now hates cherries, and even the smell of cherries will make him nauseous and he cannot even stand foods that have a tiny bit of cherry..
Literally turned his favorite food into his most hated food.
Iono man, I was once a bartender, and I still love wine and cocktails, so...
But for real, Work is work. Sure you can enjoy working where you work, but before that, your job is a big part of your life. Be careful. Be professional. Stay classy.
A wise Asian comedian once said: you do the work you don't like for money and use the money for thing you like.
The same reason why otakus don't become directors of anime or producers for idols, but instead critics.
It's easier to enjoy something while ignoring the effort it took to make.
Just be a workaholic mindset. It's just a bonus if you enjoy the job or not. I've been in both but I lasts for 7 years in the job that I unexpectedly enjoy despite having a low salary compared to the high paying job that I dream working on but has a very uncooperative fellow workers and a toxic boss, which I lasts for 5 months.
I wonder what would I be if got the good in both worlds, lol. Must be good.
My game dev teacher once said : "making fun games is serious business."
Aspiring people should be under no illusion that the happy, fun things they see means the work done in the background is also whimsical and stress free.
This is also why I look up to the idols, they must put some serious effort behind the scenes that they never show to the public.
The iceberg analogy can be applied here. We only see a fraction of the effort being put to the end product.
interviewer (Ramen Restaurant): do you like ramen?
me : no
interviewer (Ramen Restaurant): ok, you are hired.
me : why?
If I may make a suggestion for future translated clips: "Live" with a capital L is a pretty reasonable take on the word ライブ, but the thing is, that word literally just means "concert." Maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine, but I always wince a little when I see ライブ (as a noun, anyway) translated as "live," be it big-L or small, as it's kind of the first step toward Anycolor's constant use of "Liver" as an English translation of ライバー in official press releases about Nijisanji talents -- and I REALLY wince when I see that, since the first thought that crosses my mind every single time is, "So the Nijisanji talents are bodily organs that process toxins, then?" ;)
Bottom line: I recommend using "concert" as a translation for ライブ in future clips, though that may just be me! Heheh.
Live is the proper word though. It's less of a concert and more of a live performance. Even in official English announcements they call them "lives."
Like, you wouldn't call a stage play a "concert." It's the same concept.
@@R3_dacted0 The thing is, in Japanese, they ARE calling them concerts. That's literally what the word ライブ ("live") means in Japanese -- like so many other English borrow-words, it may be based on an English word, but it's universally misused, much as パンツ ("pants") only ever refers to underwear, or サンド ("sand") only ever refers to sandwiches.
And... I think you WOULD call them concerts, honestly. Though there are skits between musical performances, there has never been a "live" from a Hololive vtuber that hasn't been centered around the music. And I've been to any number of concerts that have been structured identically to this, with little skits and things between each of the songs in the performers' set -- They Might Be Giants is a great example, as they ALWAYS do random crap between songs, wheeling out a confetti cannon and shooting it into the audience, or holding a whole faux-educational skit before performing Why Does the Sun Shine, etc.
I guess it's a matter of perspective, but just for me, as a translator by profession, I find the 1:1 translation of ライブ as "live" to be a bit off the mark -- though I do at least appreciate that it was capped here.
Hopefully we can both agree that "Liver" is just terrible, however, and Anycolor should be ashamed of themselves for using that word in English press releases. ;)
tbh i preffer to not work in something you like, i ended hating something i loved bcs of work/boss etc
A-Chan spitting FACTS!
Is it just me, or is she sounds kinda different at this instance? I used to be unable to tell the difference between her voice and Lui-nee's, but now A-chan's voice seems to sound one or two pitches higher. Or perhaps all this time my mind has been playing tricks on me...
Not like that will stop them
For company they need to hire professional for jobs not fanboy or girl.
did this code for anyone that wants to join hololive need to think twice? it's like they trying build up their quality and need someone that really have god skill for entertaining people and able grow up the channel ,, they don't want someone that just believe they can but able considered bad and good that will happen,,
i think there are someone that just keep stream cuz money but not happy with it, we can found too like that on office who work just for money
Making your hobby becomes your work isn't good. Unless you have immensely high determination.
Interviewees: "Write that down, write that down!"
I love beautiful girl, doesn't mean that I want to be a girl xD.
At 2:50 you mistranslated that line. It should say "is not correct". You missed the double negative.
yeah its like you might be a sports fan but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll turn out to be a good player on the field..
I get what she's trying to say but the ramen example was not the best one
yeah once your hobby became your job there can only have 2 ending u love your job more or you will hate your hobby forever
I'm sure this is a "never meet your heroes" kind of situation
Same with Japan. You like Japan products (anime, vtuber, culture), but you not neccesserily able to survive Japan. For me, come to Japan as tourist and living in Japan is 2 different opposite experience
In my case, I start having less fun with my hobby when I start getting paid for it. Even as I watch others' work, many times I end up trying to learn their techniques instead of just enjoying it for fun.
When it's a company, always go for "I need a job, they are prestigious and pay well." Instead of "They were influential to my coming of age/dreams so my dedication will be top notch."
most of Vtuber fans are not content creators, and most of content creators are not Vtuber fans, and those content crators who are fans don't think they would enjoy working under an agency, squeeze that even further, you'll be surprised of how low barrier to entry to Hololive ...even people who don't know anything or straight dislike Vtuber and the culture are accepted...as long as they willing to keep streaming under Cover corp.
I wonder if they even hire men at all
Hololive is very restrictive. If you think you can collab with anyone you wish, forget it. Even them collabing with Holostars boys is a pain. Nijisanji is better. No restrictions on whomever the wanna collab with and they are free to crash in. I still remember Debiru and Roa just crashing in Belmond Banderas's stream while he was playing Minecraft and just wrecked havoc. Even Pomu accidentally crashed into his stream at one time. Then there's the ID livers who would come into the EN livers stream anytime
"Even them collabing with Holostars boys is a pain"
it's up to the talent themselves, the company clearly don't forbid them
"Nijisanji is better. No restrictions on whomever the wanna collab with"
you say this when they banned kson, seriously ? just go back to whatever hole you were from lol
Makes sense. being a fan means you like what is produced, rather than you wanting to make that production. Even if you want to support them, if you literally don't know HOW to, then you're really not fit for the job, and if you somehow get in, it's gonna be hell cause you're just struggling to figure everything out.