Pianoteq 8 - Is this the Future? (yes I think so)
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Hey Mike I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to thank you for all you have done for me. I was sick for 2 years at
home and watched all my friends go to university all I had was working on my music. I was super inspired by Kygo and Avicii but didnt have a music background.
Now a couple years later I still feel behind in life but your classes on skillshare are amazing. I haven’t been feeling that great recently but your classes help me relax and forget about the stresses in life. I have 2 really bad learning disabilities so it was hard for me to follow other people but your classes were so easy to understand. I loved the vibe you created by telling us we are going on an adventure and mastering a skill by the end.
I know you are done with educational content now but I love the channel. Im so glad I looked you up on UA-cam. I binged a couple of videos tonight and the vlogs you posted being in nature were so good. No matter what you do im a fan for life. You have had just as much of an impact on my music journey as Kygo and Avicii.
Best wishes from Ontario 🇨🇦. I hope to visit Sweden someday. I got obsessed with Norway and Sweden after discovering Kygo. Scandinavia looks beautiful.
Thank you for your kind words. I hope you will feel better soon, and I can highly recommend learning to play various music instruments too. I have found it to be incredibly rewarding on so many levels =)
I use Pianoteq 7 and absolutely love it. But I must upgrade to version 8 now. I also have GB-size piano samples, but I keep returning to Pianoteq for the realism of sound and expressiveness. They also always keep the software updated and getting better and better. Compared to the sampled ones who rarely update their products, that's a huge plus when you're a Pianoteq owner/user.🎹
I don't think there is any improvement to be had from uograding apart from extra instruments.
It should be free if you bought PTQ7 from November 1, 2021.
@@officialvisaural Mine is no longer free, but €29 is still pretty cheap for an upgrade. I have Pianoteq 7 Pro version.
@@jismo7I have Pianoteq 8 and i definetly heard an improvement when i upgraded to it from 7, it sounds more realistic now and less metallic, the only thing is that to me it still does sound slightly mechanical but if you use it in a song with other instruments then it isn’t noticeable it just lacks warmth, however it definetly sounds a lot clearer than other VST Pianos and that’s because a real piano haven’t been recorded and the microphone quality definetly differs on those
Pianoteq sounds better than my real Piano (Yamaha CP60M). If I need the CP60M sound, I use the free model in Pianoteq and guess what? It sounds much better than the real thing. To get my piano tuned/maintained would cost 10x what Pianoteq does.
Exactly what I was looking for without looking for it haha :D Great content, I can feel how passionate you are
Awesome! Thank you! =)
Just got the entry level pianotech stage version after watching Venus Theory´s walkthrough and his whole-heartedly recommendation. Im in love. Two simple clicks (drag curve to reduce the velocity cand then increase the dynamics and for my application, the result is always optimal after this 2 second modification. Super awesome! From now and on it will be impossible to avoid a smooth nice modern piano in my "supposed to sound plain 8 bit digital early 80s tunes"... Best Regards, random Swedish producer, previously with ambitions to keep my 80s sound profile relatively pure and free from modern hifi sound influences. Now I suppose this ambition is history...Thx for this comprehensive walk-trough in terms of instruments!
Nice! Yes it's so incredibly easy to customise the tone of the piano with this plugin. And since piano is my main instrument, I simply love the feeling when playing this plugin on my 88-key piano weighted MIDI keyboard. =)
Hi Mikael! Thank you for another great video! I hope all is well with you!
Thank you, struggling a bit to be honest, but soon I will make new types of videos to hopefully gain more traction on my youtube channel as a musician and artist. =)
it plays magical and, in a certain way, "clinical". Probably my ears are more sample-oriented (along with their inner "faults") but i admit this one sounds definitely "authentic"!!! Thanks a lot Mikael for another great review!
Got a roland fp30x , i bought the stage version with steinway model D and the Upright U4, good combo i think :)
the most plugin piano i used until today is pianoteq. they give me all i need, specialy recording tools.
5:06 - When placing mics further away from the piano, you can move the little navigation square in the centre window, to help quickly navigate around the recording space.
Thanks for pointing that out! =)
And I love to also experiment with balancing different microphone types and mix levels. So much potential, sometimes I get a bit sucked into the experimental/creative side of this haha.
Wow version 8 looks dope af
Great vid, brother ❤ great stuff without fukn samples. what would u recommend for best modeled orchestra instruments (especially strings) and drum kits?? Big thanks
Pianoteq has been my goto piano for both practice and production since version 3 (I only went up from state to standard with v7). In general I love physical modelling synths, and have AAS and Arché amongst others. Sampling just seems to suck the life out of an instrument. I was impressed with Arturia's Piano V when it appeared in Arturia's V-Collection, thinking that Modartt finally have competition, then perused the binary with a hex editor and saw that it is a rebadged Pianoteq-lite.
Oh that is nice John, and yes sampling (as in literally recording static "pictures" of sounds) is a dead end in my opinion. That is, I honestly believe AI, physical modeling and algorithms etc. are the future. Perhaps using samples as the data set to then extrapolate from, but still based on mathematics and algorithms. And don't get me started on "key switches", I literally hate that approach. I want to be able to perform and play the software instruments like I do my acoustic instruments, and feel that I am in control over the articulations and expression in real time. Granted the hardware needs to be improved here as well (MIDI input and expressive automation controls), but I am optimistic about the future of music technology. =)
I think pianoteq became useable only from version 6
@@rickyanthony I find it's pretty much the same as earlier versions, the stage version at least. Just the models getting tweaked each version. I found the biggest step in quality was between 6 and 7.
You miss out on a lot of the realism by leaving the condition slider at MINT. Before declaring it sounds fake, try the demo and be sure to change that slider. There is a sweet spot around roughly 85% mint.
It comes up in the video around 6:40 if anyone wants to hear what it does
I have pianoteq 6.7 is it like much better than older?
For anyone NOT liking the reversed 'sustain' pedal functionality, I found this in the Modartt discussion forum:
"As for your issue [reversed sustain pedal polarity], you can invert the sustain pedal in MIDI options in Pianoteq... just set min to max and max to min and off you go."
Hello my friend,good to see you again
Hello Leonard, thank you =)
Why did it change to the morph panel when you choose layer, and change to the layer panel when you choose morph...? Rather confusing... Other than that, it looks just simply incredible! Thanks for the vid!
Thank you for this review, I have just the Stage version which is enough for me. Upgrade is just 29 euro, so pretty cheap. I like pianoteq a lot, never had big sample piano's, too expensive for me and too bulky.
Thank you for your kind words Albert. I do enjoy the versatility and flexibility the most with Pianoteq, there's simply endless tonal possibilities here. =)
What I like is you can use it stand alone (no daw) and it auto saves everything you play. I have it on my dock for quick reach
Ah I did not know that. Usually when I want to go away from my DAW I simply go to my piano in my living room. Nice get away from the computer now and then. =)
@@mikaelbaggstrom You can use this feature for noodling and experimenting. And if you think afterwards that a section you played last night was really magical you can search it in the midi file list (by date/time), import it in your DAW, truncate and modify it and use it for your next chart success. Not possible with your real piano in the living room I guess. 😉
yamaha ydp 145 pianoteq keyscape does it work?
Hi Mikael. Congrats for your Video. I use korg krome ex88 with piano colossus. Do you recomend to me Change to Pianoteq? Stage versión with stenway D and grotian or stenway B better? I play the most or my songs with acoustic pianos. Thanks a lot
is the upgrade worth it from v7 to v8? thanks
I have Pianoteq but I’ve forgotten how to correctly set it up when I play my piano there is no sound I have the Yamaha CP88 and an IMac Hope you can help.
Today my dad told me he was going to sell ou genuine Yamaha CP-70 and it made quite sad as I've grown attached to the piano over the years. Then, he shown me Pianotech 8. I sat down and immediately wrote a new melody in the first 1-10 minutes. I was blown away to tears! I said, my God - he's right!! The CP-70 was a cutting edge instrument, but not anymore. This is just a whole other level. I am less sad now knowing he gave me a license of this :D
Yo what a cool Dad!
The CP70 is a beast on its own. Id never sell mine! Dont sell it!
Vamp the thing!
I will try to use this with one of those foldable keyboards from Amazon. It has midi, so it should work. Connect it to a nice speaker and actually make it sound good.
Thank you! Could you recommend a good speaker for this?
About the sustain? A long the sound stay until the sound fades
Of the few different models you played, all sounded impossibly miked, as though a mic per key. I’m sure that is an option but I couldn’t really fall for any of them ‘as miked.’ Real pianos, even the best, have some variability that says “hey it’s real!” It would be confidence-inspiring to hear that by default.
Well, you would be wrong to think that. You can easily move microphones around the piano and they do sound really mic'ed - well done so. And BTW, it is 100% possible to make pianos sound like this if you have the talent, room and microphones for it. Not an issue. People greatly underestimate what you can do with real stereo sound. And as someone said, you can use the "mint" slider to make sound a bit more realistic. You can even the damn keys sliding!
Totally agree. It's a great keyboard sound, but not a great piano sound. No doubt it's perfect for some pop or jazz, but for a classical style recording or a piano ballad it wouldn't be at all appropriate. For that I'll still take the Garritan CFX any day, still the best piano library on the market by a long shot, and for less than half the cost of Pianoteq.
@@JoshWiniberg look up Phil Best, the classical pianist, and you’ll hear it sound beautiful for all classical.
Hello Mike, i know that find differences between this and the previous version might be very difficult, but from your perspective, did you notice something? Even subtle differences i mean... Thanks a lot in advance and keep up you GREAT work!
Hello Davide, the entire guitar section is new (like I mentioned in the video), even though it is not my favorite (I play real guitar so I am biased). There is however improved sound reproduction for all pianos and keyboard too, which to be honest what I mainly use Pianoteq for anyway. Overall they seem to keep improving their modeling algorithms. =)
I also personally felt that the harps improved a lot. In terms of the interface itself I see no big updates, but apparently there are some minor tweaks for readability.
@@mikaelbaggstrom the improvements you are on about are in your imagination
Here's the official changelog
8.0.0
New instrument model: the Classical Guitar.
All contemporary acoustic pianos, the Vintage Reeds electric piano and the Concert Harp have been revoiced.
Interface with updated graphics.
New 'Note Effects' panel, with Tremolo and Vibrato.
The LV2 / VST3 / AudioUnit plugins can receive an optional audio input, which is used to excite the string resonances (STD/PRO versions).
Added a loop button for the MIDI sequences (standalone), and also ability to select a part of a MIDI file.
New option for using stereo effects when the selected instrument output is mono.
New midimappings option for using one MIDI channel per guitar string or harpsichord keyboard.
New 'stretch points' note-edit panel (PRO version).
Improved presets menu, with favorites.
Bypass switch when right-clicking on the output-level bar.
And many bug fixes..
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Very playable and I definitely think it’s the future of piano playing, I’m positive they’ll eventually get to a point where it will sound as good as an actual grand piano but to me pianoteq only sounds decent at lower velocities where it really shines, once you play more notes together and at higher velocities it turns overly harsh and just turns into a complete mess, but it really does play better than any VST on the market. For recording purposes why would anyone use this over garritan or ivory 2 for example, they sound almost perfect and don’t have the unnatural sounding elements to them.
Does t happen with me. You need a more powerful iPad or desktop. The faster you play the greater the demand on the processor
Very cool! What keyboard are you using?
Studiologic VMK 188 plus. It's old, but has a great Fatar keybed + a programmable fader bank for CC expression =)
What DAW are you using to play your VTS pianoteq?
One big tip I got from a piano tuner who reviewed Pianoteq 7 was to reduce the 'mix' setting in the reverb functions. He said that Pianoteq has too much 'wet' in the setting. It really does bring the sound of the piano out. Also you can take the lid completely off by double clicking the top edge of the lid, also works on the upright too. It makes for a more expansive sound.
Mikael, do you know of any guitar amp VSTs and/or drum kit VSTs that are modeled this way?
I assumed most guitar amp VSTs are modeled after hardware? There is MODO drums, but it's not my favorite in terms of sound. I mostly use Addictive Drums 2 for acoustic drums, and Superior Drummer 3.
The biggest problem I have with soft-pianos is that I yet haven't found any VST wich actually sounds like a real recorded piano(its the curse of having to good monitors in the studio). And I have tried a lot of them: Keyscape, Ivory, UA Ravel. And more... One of the problems I've found is that VST pianos are incredible sensitive to velosities, and there seems to be a small sweet spot were the pianos actually sounds OK. Play just a tiny bit to hard, and the piano suddenly peaks out with a hard and metallic character(maybe due to the fact that VST normally has only 4-6 velocity layers/samples while a real grand has infinite). When recording a real grand with my Schoeps microphones you get this sense of real size of the instrument and a sense of real space and distance between the listener and the instrument. The sense of distance (not really reverb) you get with a real microphone is extremely hard to replicate with using reverb in post... Sorry, but I still don't think VST beats a real (not sampled) recording of a Fazioli or a Steinway anytime soon.
Oh I 100% agree, in fact, this is why I started a personal journey a few years ago to become a multi-instrumentalist. The beauty of real recordings is still far beyond VSTs. =)
Anyone who doubts this vst should download the demo version. You will be hooked. So real it’s incredible and so flexible …..you cannot do near as much with just samples.
I agree 100%, and as I mentioned in the beginning of this video, I truly believe the physical modeling is the future, it goes beyond "sample playback". I have several other modeled VSTs like SWAM, Sample Modeling Brass, MODO Bass etc. =)
Is it better than keyscape? I thought that was the best i had heard....wow
@@bjslugzbeatz2103 Keyscape and Pianoteq are my top 2 favorites atm. I have like 25-30 Piano VSTs haha =)
Keyscape is great in a different way. The Rhodes on Keyscape is like playing a real Rhodes. Pianoteq is just so much more adaptive……tunings, unisons, string lengths, a ton of parameters that can be tweaked to your preferences.
@@ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis Totally agree! Keyscape has a nicer warmer sound but the playability is outstanding with Pianoteq. If you are not a piano player that is not important but Keyscape does not support half-pedaling that is when you put down the sustain pedal half you get a half-damped sound. If you have a cheap sustain pedal with only on or off that is not continuous you will not notice that. Pianoteq has 127 levels of damping with the sustain pedal and 127 velocity layers while Keyscape has 32 velocity layers for playing. For playing Pianoteq is outstanding but for recording, it is not as nice sounding as the sampled pianos. It is closing in with every new version and the "metallic" sound is getting replaced with more "wood" with every update.
it is free plugin?
That's interesting. I also own the same bundle, although I have more instrument packs installed than you currently have. It appears you are missing a few of the additional free packs that you can download from within your account product page.
_Acoustic Pianos:_
Erard (1922)
Pleyel (1926)
CP-80
_Chromatic Percussion:_
Church Bells
Tubular Bells
_Piano Predecessors:_
Cimbalom
Neuport Clavicord
F.E. Blanchet Harpischord (1733)
C. Grimaldi Harpsichord (1697)
_Historical Pianos:_
J. Schantz (1790)
J.E. Schmidt (1790)
A. Walter (1790)
D. Schoffstoss (1812)
C. Graf (1826)
Oh wow, thank you, I thought the Pro bundle already included everything. I will go and download those extras straight away! =)
@@mikaelbaggstrom Yeah, no problem. I think they're available from within the 'Downloads' tab of your account 'User Area' The bells are pretty cool sounding. 🙂
@@mikaelbaggstrom That's also available in the cheaper versions - e. g. "Stage".
I'm still not convinced about the attack profile of a single note without pedal, still doesn't sound natural to me, it's more like a sine wave. Less dramatic than in 6 or even 7, but still not quite there. Also might need more than 8 overtones to be convincing (playing classical music).
and this all comes in ridiculous 50Mb, great job
haha yeah kind of crazy when you think about it! They sure did a great job on this =)
Yes, about 1/1000th the size of the best sample-based pianos. Truly amazing.
The pro version only includes 4 instruments - you need to buy the Studio Bundle, which will set you back an additional €500 !!
(and AFAIK, you have to buy it at once, there's no upgrade path from any other version)
If you need many, many different piano's, maybe that makes sense, otherwise better spend it on something like the Arturia Collection, some good sample libraries,etc.
I think the Pro is a good value proposition : the amount of included instruments is OK (I might eventually buy 1 additional set), and the possibility to randomise parameters transforms it into an interesting Sound Design tool. And of course : the sound stays great, and it's very expressive !
If the Studio would included lifelong updates & every new sound set released in the future, it would be a much better offer, at the moment I think it's not very appealing ...
Hello Mike. You really look like an extraordinary, eccentric person. I hope I can meet you personally one day. By the way, I would like to know what keyboard you use as your midi controller, the one you use in this video.
All the bests, dude. 🖖
Thank you for your kind words Serkan, I am using a Studiologic VMK 188 plus. =)
@@mikaelbaggstrom You're very much welcome🎉. I thank you for your answer. Nowadays I'm in a search for a midi controller with nice keys. Mine is not that satisfying and I'm interested in Arturia Keylab 88 actually. 🙂
which keyboard are you playing with?
Don't think it is available anymore, it's Studiologic VMK 188 plus, with a Fatar Grand Touch keybed (piano weighted keys).
Do all those presets at 1:47 come with it or are they add ons?
Hello Scott, how many instruments you get in depends on which bundle you get. As I said in the video I got the full Pro bundle, which includes everything. =)
@@mikaelbaggstrom Nice. I’m thinking of getting the full bundle, but it’s $674. For $299 you get the pro bundle with 4 packs. Would I then only have those 4 instruments or are there some selections from the remainder? Would be hard to pick only 4 things given there are also the ep’s, harps, mallets, guitar, harpsichord, etc.
@@skythemusic I don't know to be honest, perhaps check with them? If it helps, my favorites and by far most used instruments and presets in the complete bundle are: the pianos, electric keys, chromatic percussion.
pianoteq is a sampled piano killer ... just the way modern ir tech killed convolution reverbs
I have Pianoteq 7 and I love the steinway D. I thought about buying the electric pack, but the Rhodes+ Wurli sound to me very cold. What you you think?
Nothing beats Keyscape for the electric keys imho.
Small hint: If you bought Pianoteq 7 less than one year ago the update to 8 is *free*. 👍 Afterwards you'll have both versions available as standalone and as plugins in your DAW. Downside: At least In the latter case it seems that you can't use your v7 user presets in v8.
Cool hint thanks !!
Though once you've upgraded to 8, you can no longer activate 7 or 6. This can be slightly annoying since they do sound slightly different, and if you do a reinstall or upgrade of your system, then there are issues with projects that used older version of Pianoteq. Reproducibility of old projects is important to some. I think Modartt should have it so that, if you have an activation on your system for e.g. Standard 8, then you can use any earlier Standard version 8 or earlier. (At least a few versions back -- this would require a simple modification of the earlier versions to check for an activation for a newer version.)
@@Chalisque Not sure what you're talking about. I now have v7 and v8 (both stage edition) and can use both in standalone mode and as DAW plugins. My older DAW sessions with v7 are unchanged and still use the v7 pianos. Working with MB Pro M1 and MacOS Monterey.
v8 is not a real "upgrade" of v7 - it is a whole new version. And if you fear problems with activating older versions after a reinstall of your system you may just do a drive backup now with an activated v7 and copy it back after the reinstallation process. I guess that should work.
@@Chalisque I just upgraded to 8 and installed it. Now I can import both version 7 and version 8 into Logic Pro. Of course, you cannot reinstall version 7 after uninstalling it.
you have dt770 80ohm? i have korg krome piano and when I plug them, it sounds terrible in them. cheap koss30kpi headphones much better sound. dt770 dont play bass notes as it should sound. worst overhyped headphones ever. plus my eardrum hurt each time I used / tested them
I don't know, there is something surgical and lifeless about the sound, crystal clear, flexible, clean but something is missing. take Galaxy Steinway or Vienna grand for example, they drag you in, they mesmerize you with the tone you don't want to stop listnening to. I don't have the same experience with Pianoteq, but I tried.
I can see the appeal for those too, and in fact I have something like 25-30 piano plugins in total, and use whatever I need for each track. Right now my favorites are Keyscape, Pianoteq and sometimes Addictive Keys. I guess I do tend to prefer very dry recorded pianos so I can add room tone, staging/panning etc. myself instead of having that room and spatial information "burned" into the samples. But there's no right or wrong, we all use what we get the best feeling from. =)
@@mikaelbaggstrom Exactly, Mikael!!! For me, I have so many plugins... I can dirty-up just about any signal in the proper way. Pianoteq is really clean, but it's so tweakable (Pro version) ... it is hardly limited. 🙂
@almur88: You should always drag the slider a bit away from "mint condition" to the "worn" direction. Not too much though but that worked well in v7 and even better now in v8.
P. S.: I still like the electric pianos from Keyscape more than those in Pianoteq v8 although they are a bit improved now.
@@Fastvoice yep same here... keyscape electrics are lush
u are on udemy man
if you have this one you could create any anime theme ahaha xD
I like pianoteq , but there are a few false myths about it .
( 1) infinite velocity . This is a total marketing myth . Pianoteq uses midi protocol , therefore there are only 128 different values . But the myth is even worse than that . Best pianists on the planet can only achieve up to 10 different levels of velocity . An average pianist will do half ~5
(2) reality of modelled vs sampled . This is equally a myth . If you play one individual note at a given velocity , the recorded one on a top notch grand piano will always sound more real than a calculated one . The fact that is is calculated in real time doesn’t affect the final tone .
Microphones are simulated in pianoteq , whereby there are the real thing in best sample VST’s .
Now when it comes to what happens between 2 notes , what happens with sympathetic resonance , this is modelled in all softwares including samples , so it is a false debate .
On the reverb front , you get the real samples as captured in the studio with best VST . Abbey road reverb is to die for with Garritan CFX and it is the real thing . You get something 100% artificial with pianoteq .
Bottom line , even though I like pianoteq and I have used it since early version , there is a lot of false facts about its playability and how expressive it could be. Cheers
Thanks for sharing your points Joao! =)
I guess in the end it's mainly about what I mentioned in the video: the sound and tone you hear, and the feeling when you play. Which both are subjective. But those 2 things are what I judge all software instruments on myself. In any case, I do use many other pianos, as I have like 25-30 plugins or something. Having played piano my whole life, I simply can not get enough of them haha =)
@@mikaelbaggstrom same here ! 👍
Pianists being able to reliably produce 10 velocity steps doesn't mean they're producing the *same* 10 distinct levels every time. Pianoteq can simulate the hammer hitting the string at any of the 128 possible velocities you might land on, whereas a sample library has to pick the closest sample it has and scale the volume.
You're also not accounting for the fact that Pianoteq can assign the 128 input velocities to different ranges of hammer velocity. If you want a more limited dynamic range for any reason, Pianoteq can still produce 128 unique levels while your sample library might only have 2-3 samples in the same window.
Similarly, a sampled might sound more "real", but that will quickly go out of the window as soons as you want to adjust things about the recording setup, room, properties of the piano itself etc. Even the string resonance modelling in sample based engines is a bit of a hack, albeit a good sounding one.
Maybe it's me, but although a TON of features it sounds less good than Native Instruments NOIRE.
While the Piano modelling seems to work quite well, the Rhodes models are just fails.
I don’t think it’s better than NOIRE of native instrument
Sounds good, looking good, but IMHO it can't compare with the VSL Pianos which are basically unbeatable.
I haven't tried those, even though I have something like 30 piano VST plugins and sample libraries. =)
I still have no use for it, because of (imo) a very important missing element: emotion.
When I play my vsl sampled piano's, I feel the emotion of the music. When I play pianoteq, most of that is just missing. It feels very empty to me.
I'm not here to diss pianoteq. That's just my opinion. I guess there's that something special about a piano that' still very hard to model
I hope they can somehow get this right in the future. Maybe some artificial intelligence could do the trick?
Physical modeling only makes sense for instruments that are played analogously with keys. The sound of a guitar, for example, can never be reproduced by pressing a key only.
well, thats what pedals, sliders/faders, and knobs are for! Not to mention head/wind controllers. Guitar is only so many parameters, I think we will see keybaordists doing good versions of other instrumentalists in the coming future because of modeling and interfaces
@@jonathanosborn4800plenty of Room for advancing midi controllers to make them more expressive like a guitar is. Gotta keep experimenting to keep up w the vst tech !
A piano hits strings on a guitar. A harpsichord plucks strings on a guitar. The only real difference is that your fretboard fingers can fudge a little (although thats what the frets are designed for - to stop fudging). So you can argue that this particular implementation cant replicate whatever guitar you have, but ultimately you have a string length and a plucking velocity/strength. If it can model a Steinway, it can model a guitar. Where it may have a problem is woodwinds, brass or timpani. But keyboards are just mechanical stringboxes.
Supporters windows computers?
This... from the Modartt FAQ page:
"Does Pianoteq support high resolution MIDI files?
Yes. Thanks to the physical model that Pianoteq is built on, it has the unique capacity of reproducing all the 16,384 velocities by the Hi-Res CC#88 format, and all the 1,023 velocities by the MIDI XP format."
The CATCH is that one's MIDI controllers and/or DAW must be able to make use of this higher resolution. (Despite only having 127 steps of velocity for most players, I'm certain that Pianoteq won't produce the dreaded "machine gun" effect.) 😀
Hmm, do you know if newer 88-key MIDI keyboards have this greater velocity range?
@@mikaelbaggstrom Mikael, I think I saw a controller that had the capability; can't remember which one. I wonder also, if any DAW has the ability to record such data.
@@Cefshah Should this not be in the new MIDI 2.0 protocol already?
I really wish we'd replace MIDI with a 32bit protocol that is like MIDI but with 32bit words , either float or int, according to context, instead of the 7/8-bit thing we have rooted in the early 80s. In-the-box uses, and basically anything that doesn't involving connecting to hardware via MIDI does not need to be constrained by the 7bit 80s design decisions of MIDI.
Internally, probably the first thing Pianoteq does is to convert that 7bit velocity to a 64bit or 32bit float. Doing the same for hi-res midi is basically a couple of extra machine instructions or so, and from then on the internal processing is identical.
it sounds too toy piano for me honesty. It has a long way to go, but would like to see this take off more.
I still can't understand why the basic "stage" version of this product is so cheap for what it offers. I hope they don't see this comment.
I have pianoteq since version 5.
the sound improves but does not reach the realism of the samples. the most credible sampled pianos are the vsl.
for those who know the physical sensation of playing a real concert piano, we find similar sensations, just incredible...
Sounds still not full enough with a plastic touch, well, it seems to be typical of physical modeling
Thank you for sharing your opinion Jamie. I love the sound personally, and I have something like 25-30 piano VSTs and libraries in total. Pianoteq and Keyscape are my go to's for Pianos. =)
You are deaf 😂
@@mikaelbaggstrom I'm with you on the sound and expressivity. This program is highly musical; not limited. But still, individual perceptions of listeners and musicians (all being 'human') can/will differ.
For me, even back in the days of Pianoteq V.5 ... I absolutely noticed the 'expressivity' of the program as compared to ANY keyboard or sampled piano I had back then. Today the differences are less ... but there is no doubt in my mind, that Pianoteq 7/8 can hold its own as a 'real' musical tool. 🙂
@@mikaelbaggstrom You should check out Chroma from Sonuscore. Amazing vst my personal favorite at the moment.
If you just play one note, in isolation, without the pedal down, then it sounds artificial compared to sample-based pianos. As soon as you have more notes, are using the pedal, and playing naturally, pianoteq just feels so much more like a real piano than sample based ones. One of these days I may try keyscape, but personally I don't need anything better than pianoteq for acoustic piano.
I don’t know what it is. I always find Pianoteq harsh. Always.
bro just buy an acoustic piano
Honestly doesnt compete with Keyscape.
Sounds does’nt looks great :-(
The midrange still fails: so digitalish (like every digital software piano reviewed on youtube). Highs are definitely the best of Pianoteq, while basses are in the middle.
You are so right! Why can't anyone get the midrange correct? No acoustic piano has that hollow sound in the middle octave.
Can't agree with you more.
Pianoteq should offer these upgrades for free....I have 6 and it doesn't sound any different to 8
I play classical piano, and I find Pianoteq 6 unacceptable because of sound artifacts. The attack is too "synth-like" compared to the real piano (at least for the Steinway D), and the medium and lower keys have an audibly reduced bandwidth in the treble spectrum, which makes it sound unnatural. Even my old Yamaha Clavinova CLP-230 feels more natural as sound. On Pianoteq 7 already this reduced bandwidth is no longer so obvious, but the limitation to 8 overtones can still be felt, and the attack is still a bit "electronic", but it begins to sound like a Steinway. Looks like the sound is a little better in Pianoteq 8, but I still hesitate to buy it. All the UA-cam reviews on virtual pianos are quite deceiving, because they never make comparison to the real acoustic pianos they emulate and they most often use speaker sound and non-professional microphones.
@@floring67 hahaha you must have the hearing of a dog
@@rottenheavenly6245 My hearing audiogram is 26-19000 Hz (used to be better when I was a kid) and I still have absolute pitch, just a little less good than in my youth, even if they say you lose it after 50.
@@floring67 26 hertz…most songs take out the bottom 40 hertz as humans can’t hear it…
@@rottenheavenly6245 the lowest key of a grand concert piano is A-4, at 27.5 Hz. A Bosendorfer 280 Imperial has 3 tones lower, so the last key is 19.44 Hz. In theory I should hear that too, except I don't have Bosendorfer Imperial 😁