Creators and stars of Disney's biggest animated movie speak about the Broadway adaptation in which the women, and not Prince Charming, break the spell.
Marte Paulsen also aren’t a ton of Disney films like Mulan and Brave about strong willed, capable women? I mean most of the films are about girls who are rebellious and want to live their own lives. I mean Mulan literally defeats an army single handily. In Brave she’s the best archer and is incredibly, well, Brave. How much more empowered can you portray them as? I guess you could give them ice powers. I’m all for female empowerment, I just don’t know why they act like Frozen is more empowering for women then movies like Brave or Mulan.
I don't think this is for girls (like me) who grow up with Mulan is just a new genearation of princess, that little girls like, just like Mulan used to be for the little girls who grow up with her.
I'm getting a vibe that they are shitting on the earlier princesses and it's pissing me off. Mulan saved China. Belle saved a Beast. Ariel didn't wait for a Prince, she went for him. Cinderella and Snow White are abuse survivors. Tiana started a successful restaurant during Jim Crow law years, Aurora gave up her happiness to full her "royal duty ", all of them are strong women. Can they shut up ? A woman wearing pants doesn't make her a strong girl. It's her attitude, bravery and courage that does. And loving a man DOES NOT make you weak. Frozen is overrated anyways.
Okay, the additions to the stage show look great--Elsa's song "Monster" in particular sounds REALLY interesting--but am I the only one who's sick of people acting like "Frozen" is the first Disney film to show a leading lady breaking the "traditional" roles expected of women? It's like they completely forgot about Mulan and Esmeralda.
+Alyssa Workman You're welcome. It's seriously bugging me. Everyone's like, "Anna and Elsa are such good role models! They show any girl can do anything!" . . . Except they were born into royalty and have all the privilege and power that entails. Not every girl does and being born or marrying into nobility shouldn't be so heavily associated with having the power to change yourself or the world around you. Mulan and Esmeralda weren't royal in any sense and yet they did far more in their films than Anna and Elsa ever did. They didn't need aristocratic titles to be compassionate and strong and viewed as such by both audiences and within the worlds of their stories.
+disgusting Sparkle Yeah, I know what you mean. I loved those movies as a kid, but I was the weird girl in school. While all the other little girls were playing house at recess and daydreaming about finding their princes, I was on the jungle gym, pretending it was Notre Dame and that I was having awesome adventures with Quasimodo. :) It sucks that Disney seems to pander to such made-up gender norms, the idea that all girls will like "traditional" Disney princesses who do "traditional" feminine things. And yet when they break those conventions that no one's forcing them to keep (except maybe the almighty dollar), everyone sings their praises--"Disney is being SO brave by creating such modern female icons!" Please. Yes, more diverse female characters are needed in today's storytelling, but the bar shouldn't be set so low that a female character wearing pants or simply not marrying or finding a romantic interest by the end of the tale should be regarded as revolutionary in 2018 (or lead to the assumption that "Well, she's a single woman who's focusing on herself and her role as queen, so clearly she's a lesbian!", but that's a whole other conversation).
i found Tiana an even better rolemodel than Anna and Elsa, she wasnt born into privilege and wealth, she didnt have a magic spell or fairy godmother, she worked really hard to make her dreams come true!
AND_PEGGY neither Arab nor Chinese cultures encouraged or even permitted women to wear pants.🙁 Jasmine's outfit was the most shocking of all princesses. Plus she broke cultural norms and married for love instead of the norm of whoever her father chose. One of the main struggles in Mulan was that woman should stay in there place and she was breaking that mold. Both of these princesses are far more shocking and break more cultural norms than Elsa wearing pants. I get that our stereotypical princess does not where pants but there are far better representations of women empowerment. It's not the clothes that makes their stories powerful. ☺ it's their ideas and way of thinking.😊
“They don’t need us but, we need them.” That’s not feminism...that’s...not what feminism is trying to be...it means...equality?????? Not...women overpowering men???????????
I was going to comment this as well. It’s not feminism. The two main roles are princesses- holding more power and supremacy over all the men. Not equal if you ask me.
Finally, someone understands that feminism isn't being superiority but equality, which I feel that people forget constantly and have completely ruined the word feminism
I like that Elsa wears pants but I think they are making a way bigger deal about this than is needed. Also, I think the pants costume is designed a little funny. Maybe it's because the only difference from the dress is the lack of skirt.
+Sydney Orton I agree. While I like the idea of Elsa in pants (c'mon, snowy mountain terrain is no place for form-fitting slit dresses, and kitten heels), I think what *doesn't* work for me, is it looks like she's wearing the same cape as her ice dress cape...which bugs me. I admit, I'm not a fan of her ice cape (it's way too long, and where it is attached to hey body, is very impractical -- just check out any Elsa cosplayer -- that cape is a nightmare), so, I really wish they would've made this new cape shorter, when they added pants, instead of a skirt. :-/
there are lots of musicals centered around male relationships & Frozen is a gorgeous musical celebrating sisterhood. I don’t see how that’s superior treatment?
I've seen a few people complaining about how Elsa wearing pants is historically inaccurate as this story takes place in the 1800s. Disney has never been historically accurate, nor have their costumes. In the original, Elsa did not wear bloomers or a petticoat, and I'm sure that sheer sleeves and a slit up to the knee would've been pretty uncool back then, too. These costumes aren't more inaccurate, they're just differently innacurate.
Hannah B Its a friggin fairytale with magical icy powers and trolls and people unironically point out that its historically inaccurate? lmfao its not even set in the real world 1800s
I'll give you the slit up to the knee- however sheer sleeves and a REALLY low bustline was normal going back to the 1500's in most of Europe- in fact people made bets on what woman would pop out of the top of her dress at parties. Also women wetted their undergarments to make them cling more and often wore VERY sheer clothing in the 1700's.
I absolutely hate the whole "Society was wrong, training us to want prince charming! We don't need men!!" is the definition of feminism, because it's completely insulting and degrading to women who actually want true love from a man in their life.
@@steph6955 That sounds incredibly bitter lmao in reality it's just Disney using their Princesses to market their half baked feminism because they want an award. It is literally not deeper than that.
This is a nitpick, but is anyone else bothered by the way the top of Elsa's hair is styled? It's got gaps or something in it and it looks unflattering.
Yes but from where the audience is sitting it looks fine. Sometimes they do hair and makeup “over done” to where it looks weird up close but it looks great from the audience.
Probably for the transition when an actor who has one try to get this right and it’d take forever to redo the wig just for that one moment, it’s easier to make a hairstyle that they can do into the signature braid with the least amount of hitches.
5:05 Women don't need men, but men need them! Excuse me that's bullshit, feminism is not making men look useless and women as independent and powerful, both sexes are equal and both can be independent what the fuck!!! The idea really amazed me of having a frozen broadway musical, but I don't know now. I really hope that this turn out wells, because it has/had the potential to become a great musical
Dark Shadow Storm I think it's not healthy to promote loneliness as something cool. Men and women need each other. People actually want love and family. It is normal and healthy. You don't have to have one if you don't want to but most people do want someone special in their life. And saying that women don't need men - sorry, but it's just not true, no matter how much feminists want it to be.
Yes! Men and women are both equals and needs to respect one another, we are codependent human beings. Those words like one don’t need another just sounds too arrogant, ignorant and unrealistic to me, how could that be called as feminism? Also as a example of avoid confrontation and escape from responsibility, also being rescued by others, I never really view Elsa or Frozen as one of the models of feminism.
While I absolutely agree that men and women are equal and equally independent, I don’t think that’s what the actor was trying to get at here. When he says they don’t need men but men need them, I didn’t interpret it as women as a whole but rather Elsa and Ana as individuals. He was alluding to how this story is unique in that the women protagonists aren’t drawn into an unnecessary romance for the sake of it (in particular Elsa). However I can see why the phrase is controversial and he definitely could have worded it a little better
They don't promote "loneliness" as something cool, or that men are useless pricks. He said women don't Need men, and that's a fact. He isn't saying we should never see or contact each other?? Or that we can't be partners or live together? He's right, don't mix his words.
Honestly that Kristoff is putting me off. I couldn't care less about his skin color but he has a very "cool" demeanor, more like a tradicional Disney prince and Kristoff is supposed to be goofy and sarcastic.
Women don’t need men, but men need women? Excuse me? I’m a female okay. So I may be expected to agree. But I disagree. Both men and women need eachother. This isn’t equality, it’s about power. Both men and women are good and bad at different things. This is a known fact of life. Some may say it’s a stereotype but 1. Stereotypes are based in truth 2. This is a biological fact. Men and Women work like a function to a system. Men are needed for one thing, whereas women are needed for the other.
Erika Nance I'm pretty sure he meant in the context of this story. Hanz needs Anna to gain power and Kristoff needs Anna to be less lonely I guess. That's how I interpreted what he said anyway. Also sexual division of labor, aside from the actual act of making of a baby and breastfeeding, isn't necessary anymore since we aren't living in a hunter gatherer society so..... Get yourself a cushion for your butthurt ok?
personally i think having a contest for who is the most feminist is weird. but frozen was always feminist. feminism is clear and SIMPLE. women are just as capable as men in EVERYTHING. female empowerment doesn’t get much more specific than that. people have GOT to stop complaining that feminism is turning bad. it’s not. if anything is unfair, it’s no longer feminism. plus, men and women coming together doesn’t sully feminism at all. men and women working together as equals actually sounds very feminist. i love frozen because i love women saving themselves not cus men saving anything is bad but because saving yourself is the BEST WAY to empower yourself and find ur independence. that’s something EVERYONE WANTS. ok??? u can be independent or single or independent and taken, it doesn’t matter. love is love
>women are just as capable as men in EVERYTHING Bullshit. Biology disagrees with you. And you know what - there is nothing wrong with it. I don't really mind being physically weaker than a man, I can give birth - a man can't. We are NOT the same, but it does not make one sex better than the other. We both have our strengths and weaknesses.
IrinNovy Yep, you got that point right. There are things women can't do that men can, and things men can't do that women can. That statement is completely Bullshit.
Its just that some women are taking this great concept and turning it into a misandry movement. Trying to become superior to men instead of being equal. Thats why so many men are getting fed up with feminism, because theyre constantly critisised. Anything they suggest or say are brushed off as "mansplaining".
I was going to add a comment but you took everything I meant to say. People will try to spur some sort of negativity by saying "Oh biologically its B.S" or "we're not a communist country", crap like that which is simply being a troll. Not only can it literally happen if women choose to work their bodies to that point, but more generally, and the point in making, is that they know EXACTLY what you mean but choose to be ignorant!
I really liked the anthem, "Let it Go". Until I heard a three year old in Barnes and Noble, encouraged by a wanna-be stage mommy, sing it over and Over, and OVer, and OVEr, and OVER for a good 20 minutes. Mama thought she was the cutest little trick in shoeleather. The rest of the store wasn't of the same opinion--especially those who were trying to read in peace and QUIET.
Spoiler alert: the feminist twist is that Elsa and Anna wear pants in some scenes. Shocker. While it is new and different from the movie and Disney movies especially for the princesses to be wearing pants, it's silly to act like this is still the time of suffrage and women aren't allowed to wear pants. With that said, long skirts are particularly heinous for travel. I wouldn't call the characters wearing pants "feminist" as much as I would call it more practical. 😁
That was great indeed. What I don't get though, why isn't he instead of the Hans-actor from the Southern Isles? They could have made Kristoff Inuït, as that would make more sense than either being black or blond.
I'm grinning at the fact that Elsa (Caissie Levy) played Elphaba before, and Anna (Patti Murin) played Glinda. On separate productions, but still. It's perfect.
Jonathan Groff could have done Kristoff!!! But then wouldn't they have had to offer the other cast the opportunity to play their respective movie roles too? I am sure some of the cast could get away with it like Jonathan, Kristen and Santino but Idina Menzel, despite her amazing voice and talent, does not look twenty one years old anymore.....sadly
The reason she couldn't really be Elpheba in the Wicked movie (if they ever do make it) now unfortunately. She is an amazing singer so she would of been amazing in this.
Probably because he was doing films at the time. He did Beauty and the Beast then straight onto Murder on the Orient Express, I feel he would of had trouble finding time for rehersal (a shmae really). Maybe not but it is a possibility.
I find it sad that she had to lean down to shake Olaf's hand. Olaf and I are the same height. Edit: Dang! I didn't know I would get this many likes, so thanks, everyone!
I listened to Monster a few weeks back when it was released. A very good song but a lot darker then what was in the film (at least that is what I picked up). Not sure if it just me but I read it as Elsa thinking she should kill herself but maybe not.
Oh my god people are so ANNOYING, guess what? The founding fathers were all white but almost the entire cast of Hamilton wasn’t, and I don’t see anyone complaining about that. The guy who plays Kristoff was chosen because he is a good actor, get over it. Also, Frozen is not even set in a specific historical time (plus it’s a fantasy), and even if it was Elsa’s original dress wouldn’t be historically accurate at all, so the fact that she wears pants shouldn’t be that big of a deal. Also, the “women don’t need men but men need them” was something the ACTOR said, not the play producers or whatever, this is just a story with two independent girl protagonists who love each other, it doesn’t make it automatically “sexist towards men”. This is coming from a person who really doesn’t like the movie, but I can still understand what they are going for here.
I went to a private Christian school for my high school years and had to wear a skirt every day. The only time I didn't was in PE and when I was playing volleyball except we couldn't wear normal shorts either; we had to wear culotts (i botched the spelling). I honestly hated having to wear a skirt all the time, especially since most of my classes were on the second floor. I don't like the pants costume though because it just looks...off. I'm not a fashion designer by any means
Posted too early. Blah. But like, I don't have a problem with Elsa wearing pants (I'd have more of a problem if they had the Hamilton women wear pants because of the setting) I just don't like how the costume looks. Not sure how to explain it.
Ebilkitty Rainstar I get you, and I understand why you think it doesn’t look good. It just annoys me that people are so bothered by the fact that the pants aren’t “accurate” which is bullshit. I personally don’t have a strong opinion about the look, as I said before I don’t really care for frozen.
I don't know about this...Their making such a big deal about Elsa wearing pants...Elsa isn't even the most inspirational princess. What about Mulan? Most of the movie was her wearing pants. But she saved all of CHINA! So why is Elsa getting all the love if she just FROZE her town and then put it back together. I mean come on! Elsa was the reason that everyone was in trouble. Mulan went off because her father was sick and she didn't want him in war. Mulan took his place, and she could have got killed for it. Jasmine also wore pants for all of the movie and was beautiful with doing it. She disobeyed her father and married some one else,even tho he wasn't a prince. Frozen is over rated. It happened in 2014. Why can't they do one of the originals from the 1990's like Hercules? Megera didn't need Hercules to begin with. She sold her soul to save her boyfriend. After her boyfriend ran off with another girl she became independent. And was always independent during the whole movie. Tiana was born into a poor family. Yet she made her dreams come true! So why is Elsa in power all of the sudden? And why make a Disney movie feminist? Ugh. It just makes me upset that us girls think we over power men. We are ALL EQUAL! Yes I'm all up for women getting payed the same amount etc. But I don't spend my whole day worrying about it?! In fact, I just brush it off and go on with my day. This is just upsetting.
Ugh, I loved the songs in this and all, the effects and visuals of this show are also amazing, I liked the cast, but we really didn't need this "Feminist, women don't need men, men need women" thing, it's annoying. I say this as a female myself. It's not necessary, my goodness.
Sea Pearl Well, its annoying when people are like "WHEN are getting married" or "oh, you dont have a boyfriend? Thats sad. Your life must be uncomplete." Yeah , THATS annoying.
Sea Pearl well, you say its annoying when women say they dont need men. And i respond that its annoying when people thinks women need a man in their life. Im pretty sure it relates to what you just said.
Amélie Sirois oh, alright. Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still annoying when people keep saying that women don't need men they're independent and men need them. Also, what I meant by that is, if some women think they don't need men that's fine, but when everyone makes it an unnecessarily big deal it's annoying
I didn't know that a Nordic guy named Kristoff is now a black guy. If a White guy played black panther it would be called cultural appropriation but when a POC play a role intended for a white guy, it's called diversity.
Modern society's logic: Person complaining about a black person acting a white character --> "You are so ignorant! Racist!" Person complaining about a white person acting a black character --> "OMG! How dare they! This is wrong! Let's sabotage the show!" Seriously, something is wrong with our double standard society.
But, what’s the twist? Is it really that they’re wearing pants?! Cause I think you’re a few decades too late. Now if their pants have functioning pockets...
Pants? Really? Slapping pants on Elsa doesn't make this story more "female empowering". It just looks silly, as if she ran out of the house half-dressed and in bloomers. I love the message of true love through family ties that the original movie portrayals and will, without a doubt, still see this Broadway one day when the hype (and price) calms down, but I feel like they are taking it a bit too far. I get what they are trying to do and appreciate it as a woman, but if anything, removing Elsa from the dress is saying that a female can't be independent and empowering if she is wearing a corset and tight dress. Clothing does not determine anything.
Y’all complaining about this musical and I’m just sitting here admiring the Elsa dress. It’s gorgeous. Like I need it. I really was looking forward to this musical. Never really watched the movie, but heard the songs. Oh but the new song monster is amazing for frozen. It’s interesting and different for Disney. But I still wanna see Hamilton or Aladdin first.
It's not being racist- it simply doesn't tie in with the historical setting of the movie. Back then, most blacks worked for American and British settlers in the colonies. I haven't heard of a black settlement in 17-18 century Norway.
Aeric Lee This is fictional. There isn’t anything historical about this show. And European Egyptian Pharaohs don’t tie into the historical setting! But how many movies have you seen like this. The difference between the two is that one is that Pharaohs actually existed!
Pablitim2005 from the audience, you can't really see the age that well. Keep in mind they had a bunch of 30 year olds playing 19 year olds in The Book of Mormon.
"We're writing this for a more adult crowd. We've added some raciness" I'm sorry, but what was wrong with the highest grossing animated movie for kids you're basing this on? Disney films to plays do well when they keep the fun, playful, and family tone. Stop being insecure about being a kids movie
Rachael Muncie it’s not about insecurity, it’s because adults care more about broadway than children, and to give them a little something extra to enjoy.
Writing for adults is foolish in this case because we're all kinda sick of Frozen. Like, Let it Go was a great song, don't get me wrong, but it got super overplayed and now folks are all set to stab each other if they hear it one more time. It'd be smarter to make it for kids. They don't know what the word "overplayed" means. Plus, y'know, do we really have to take everything we make for kids and then turn it into something for adults? Just let them have some things.
Y'all are complaining about a black guy playing Kristoff because it's not "historically accurate" NEWSFLASH Arendelle is a fictional place. Is a talking snowman historically accurate? Are a bunch of rock troll things historically accurate?
Jean MacKey Adam Jacobs, who plays Aladdin, is half white (Russian, Dutch, Polish) and half Filipino. So yeah, it's not "historically accurate". If you're making a fuss about black Kristoff but didn't care about a half-white Aladdin, maybe you should reevaluate what you REALLY have a problem with. The historical accuracy, or his race? Not to mention, 90% of the voice cast for the original Aladdin was white.
Jean MacKey Yeah Adam Jacobs, a half-white actor, plays Aladdin in Broadway. I wasn't directing the race question directly at you - obviously I don't know you. I'm just making a broader point about how there was outrage when a black man was cast in a typically white role, but none when a white man was cast in a typically middle eastern role. That's a racial double standard that the public holds.
Okay here's my opinion on this. I understand this movie was alright but looking at the trailers and clips it honestly doesn't look that good. Well the good things I want to point out are the set, lighting and some of the costumes. I love the lighting it works really well along with the music. However I think the whole reason why this musical was made was purely for money. I've listened to some of the songs and they are not that spectacular. I don't find monster to be very catchy and it personally doesn't feel right that this is on Broadway. Its just a way to make easy money. This is my personal opinion
I think it should be pretty good. I have not seen it yet, but the version they did at my sister's theatre program was amazing, and that did not have as much as a budget as this. I'd like to think the broadway version is better than that one.
So how's it gonna work for Fixer Upper? Are they changing the lyrics or giving the Guy a wig? BC I mean "are you holding back your fondness due to his unmanly blondness" just Lost its meaning
Jordan Schaeffer what I just asked a question, no need for sarcasm here + why would I bother repeating what's been said a hundred Times already in other comments when I Can just like those comments or reply to them? I'd rather ask à legit question instead, it's not like it's offending anyone... Not trying to sound rude or mean but I just don't get your reaction
I think what's so iconic about Frozen is the sisterly love and that platonic love is shown to be equally important. Yes, woman are competent and even single in other Disney movies, but Frozen gives a new outlook on love for Disney films. I honestly don't think it's overrated. Not all of the people who love it are saying it's the first Disney film to do it. A lot of us just love it, so it's kind of annoying hearing people constantly going on about how overrated it is. If you want to say some Disney films are underrated I'll agree in a heartbeat, but I don't think Frozen is overrated.
All of those princess love is not true love. But the same goes for Elsa and Anna. Elsa and Anna are sisters by blood. The fact that they are related make their love seems more like an obligation rather than true love. Like, "I love her because she is my sister"or something like that. I'll say Kai and Gerda's love from the original story is even more unique and rarer and probably stronger than Elsa and Anna. Kai and Gerda are not related but they love each other just as much (platonically). And Gerda dares to go on a dangerous journey to save her friends Kai even though they are not real brother and sister. But then again that just an opinion Now, a lot of people think it is an overrated movie because some fangirl/fanboys keep saying how it is the best-animated movie ever made and that set the expectation of people who haven't watch it very high. But when they watch it, obviously it didn't fulfill their very high expectation and the flaws of the movie become more visible to them. So if you don't want your favorite movie to be called overrated, think about that! Overexposure can ruin the movie.
I'm going to have to disagree completely. Being related by blood is not an obligation to love. At all. I choose who my family is. If my blood related family does something horrible then I will not hesitate to drop them. Elsa loves Anna because they went through so much together, and Anna loves Elsa because even without the memories, the love remained. What makes Frozen different is that the true love that saves the day isn't romantic.
It is though, especially for kids. They have been told, "You have to love your family, brother, sister, mother, father, etc, etc. Because they are your family, brother, sister, mother, etc etc." They don't have a choice because they live together in the same house. They have to love them so they love them back so they can stay in the house comfortably without screaming at each other every hour. People either just refused to acknowledge it or didn't realize about it because society all over the world being raised to love their family no matter what. The same goes for parent and children (especially this). Imagine if your mom suddenly said "I don't love you. Get out of my house." while you are still a kid and cannot fend for herself. Just wait for "Children Protective Service" come and have you being put to jail. "Elsa loves Anna because they went through so much together," Went through so much?? Elsa shut herself from the rest of the world and didn't even talk to her. "GO AWAY ANNA x100". Instead of talking it through with Anna to make her understand, her stupid parents erase her memories. And Elsa didn't even make an effort to communicate with her. Like, try in secret maybe... "What makes Frozen different is that the true love that saves the day isn't romantic." I could say the same about The Little Mermaid. It was Triton's love of letting Ariel find her happiness that brings her to a happy ending. If he didn't transform Ariel back to human, she has to part with Eric. Yet people overlooked that... But then again "True Love" didn't exist. Not in family, friend, or couple.
Anyone else think the woman playing Elsa doesn't actually look like her? Honestly, she seems too old. Ana doesn't quite look right, either. I just can't put my finger on it.
Im not attempting to offend anyone, but if you look at most Scandinavian native people, they do not seem darkly skinned; making the casting of Kristoff incorrect. I don't mind the innacurate dresses or the fact that Elsa suddenly has trousers; but I do mind that they are detracting from the original character designs. Elsa looks like Elsa, Anna looks like Anna, so why doesn't Kristoff look like Kristoff? 😒
Bruh, women are not superior to men, men are not superior to women. We all need each other. I don’t like how they’re forcing feminism into Frozen. Stop y’all.
Also oh wow, no wonder Elsa was an outcast. A woman wearing pants in the 1800's? Not to mention the queen! Wow, that's one way to loose respect. I'm not shitting on Disney (okay I am) because of how inaccurate it's movies are, but this is ridiculous. They should make a historically accurate movie for once.. it'll be more interesting.
I don't get why people make such a big deal out of women being the heroes. Women have been kicking ass in fairytales for AGES, including the Snow Queen. It's nothing new!
OK Frozen has always been female empowering and about the love between sisters n shit and I'm totally for that, but... come on. Feminism is about equal treatment.
i absolutely love the song writers, they totally deserve the oscar even the outtake songs from the movie were amazing so these new songs must be so great ahhh
equality for women is still important, yes, but people don't need to make such a point of it. feminism doesn't need to be a prominent political movement anymore, full equality has already been mostly achieved. i'm fine with frozen empowering women as a main message, but these promotional videos don't need to keep pointing it out, you know? its annoying and preachy.
that might be the thing with some people, but honestly in my experience few people are like that. i've seen far more people complain about those kinds of things than people actually doing it
Why are they wearing pants! This movie is set in the 1800 i think. Why can't they just go with the original set of time. That's like saying Jesus wore a suit. When in reality that wasnt invented yet.
egricci1 This movie is fantasy partially inspired by Scandinavian culture. Nobody actually believes it's an accurate representation of history, my friend. You draw the line at the pants but if you think Anna's ballgown was the stuff they wore in the 1800s I'd suggest you read up more on period fashion.
Most likely because it's convenient for the actress. She needs to do a lot more running and moving around and it would be very difficult to do in a dress with a long skirt. The pants make it easier for her to move without having to worry about stepping on the costume or tripping.
Even if women didn't, men wore various types of pants in most periods, and women often wore men's outfit for horse riding, so nothing is wrong with a woman who has to escape, run, travel and has let it go that chooses to wear men's pants instead of a dress
It sounds very weird to me how let it go is about embracing your differences through a metaphor of a queen embracing the fact she almost killed her sister
I guarantee they made a bigger deal out of it than it actually is in the show. Disney isn't stupid - they're not going to alienate half their audience. EDIT: And, hey, turns out I WAS RIGHT!
Same! I was so exited when I saw the title but it’s just about pants? I mean okay pants are great, but it’s not even feminism it’s about overpowering men and that is not what true feminism is... I’m exited about the musical but at the same time not really?
“A feminist twist,” they say, as if the movie is not about how true love is really just family and nobody needs a man. “A feminist twist,” they say, as if women have never worn pants before, Disney princess or not. “A feminist twist,” they say, as if feminism isn’t about equality, and that implying how women don’t need men but men need women is fine.
This a horrible message: "Letting go of expectations, being perfect all the time, doing stuff for everybody else, and embracing the mess of life and feeling free" Basically it boils down to the acceptance movement. A better way of thinking about it would be for women to rise above expectations, giving 110%, helping others and not accepting your failings but working on fixing them. If the original message is feminist then feminism has low expectations of women.
I don’t like that Kristoff. At all. He’s talented and all... but he’s NOT the character. And yes, I watched the show already (which was a huge production, obviously, but was kinda lame and slow for me), and I don’t like the guy as Kristoff. Never will. Caissie is amazing though. Even with those new songs (that feel out of that universe somehow).
Tabris Fru Lar, I'm all with ya! Except what you said about your grandfather, I'm sure it's true and all about you not being racist, but that isn't the best argument. I have a neighbor that's white yet he's always talking complete trash about white people, and he thinks it's ok just because he's married to a black woman. And I'm like uhhh...you do realize you're white right? Haha! So just because someone is that race doesn't mean they can't be racist towards that race. Anyway, I agree with you but I wouldn't use that argument in the future ;)
I think people sometimes have trouble distinguishing "racial" vs "racist." One is having to do or pertaining to race, the latter being biased towards a race or person of a specific race for being superior or inferior based solely on their race. In this case we don't know that the original poster doesn't like this Kristoff because of his race based off of the original post. That being said, I'm a bit taken aback and don't know that the casting makes sense to me, because this was originally supposed to be adapted from a Hans Christian Anderson fairytale and he's supposed to be NORDIC, and, I'm not sure how many black people were around the area at that time, so it feels a bit... shoehorned in maybe. He may be awesome, but it's just... like having a play for Mulan and her mom being Scottish or something. Or Brave having a musical where her mother's Chinese. It's just... a bit weird. I like it when stories have diversity and show it. But it feels like they're kind of inventing it only because of that, and that makes you mentally step back from it and remember, "Oh, this is a play I'm watching. But, I just saw Wicked last weekend and I was not happy that they didn't make one of the main character's have blue diamond tattoos that were one of the only distinguishing characteristics of him in the book, which displayed his culture. A lot of people, who know that change was made, don't care. I do. Some people don't love it when source material (be it book or movie or whatever) is changed for no apparent reason. If they're changing his backstory as well, it may make more sense, but in this case, it feels random. I may love the guy and his skills, but it's incongruous.
Wearing pants isn’t feminist. If anything it suggests that wearing classically female clothing is insufficient for a powerful character. If Anna wore pants it would make logical sense, because she’s out hiking in the snow. For Elsa it makes no sense and looks ridiculous.
This girl that goes to my school, let's call her Hawk (because why not?) is the definition of a b*. I am friends with many male beings, because they are easier to become friends with. One of my closest friends, lets call him Owl, (Once again idk why) is a male being. I am told all the time I have a crush on him because I talk to him a lot. Well, one day Hawk took Owl's phone and began texting me some shit that really pissed me off. So, like, she said "Back of hater he DOES NOT like you wannabe." This really pissed me off, and I finally let my anger out from all these people telling me I like him. I wrote 6 long paragraphs explaining why it's no big deal if girls are friends with guys. The next day, Owl kept making fun of me (As a friendly joke) saying i was a feminist, (which I do not understand what the hell is wrong with feminists?) So I got completely pissed off, raged at him, he apologized, but I wanted to ask you all. Do you think it is feminist if I made those paragraphs explaining *Why girls can be friends with guys* ?
DebsTheDino If you're trying to argue in terms of gender roles, then I suppose it is feminist, because you're right - there is nothing wrong with girls and guys being friends platonically and there doesn't need to be any romantic involvement unless of course you want there to be. But I still don't see the issue here. Are you mad that your friend was calling you a feminist when he didn't mean it (ie. he was mocking you) or that he was calling you a feminist because of your paragraphs (ie. you don't think your paragraphs are feminist and you didn't want them to be)?
Y'all talking about how Frozen had Disney's very first feminist roles when you're forgetting Mulan... 😒 and you want to make the case that feminism= princesses wear pants, Mulan literally had to CROSSDRESS the entire movie since woman weren't allowed to fight. She proved that you can be both masculine and strong and badass AND still be a feminine figure and I feel like Mulan isn't given enough credit, especially since Frozen has been pulling this bullshit.
AGH! Okay, to all the people complaining about pants, there is a REASON. Same with the shorter cape. They cut down on flexibility and Elsa needs to be able to move. I love this show. It's great. Go watch it. Watch "Let it Go" on The View. It's on UA-cam. Just do that and then come back and hate on this show. But I totally agree; Frozen is NOT about feminism or female empowerment, it's about sisterly love.
We need each other. What the heck? I’m still gonna see this musical, I’m a little disappointed in the casting for Kristoff, Jelani is hot but he’s not Kristoff. I understand that we have social issues to talk about, but can we please leave that out of a musical? When I’m wanting to be entertained I don’t want to be reminded of the social issues going on.
they act like a woman has never worn pants before
Ikr.
And yet they do it all the time
shut up honestly theyre trying
@@jan-nn9ix well maybe they should try harder.
Lol Champion Lol, a woman wearing PANTS something so typical is trying. Right.
With a “feminist twist” as if the movie didn’t have that moment where the “true love” breaking the spell ends up being a sister’s sacrifice
A Disney Princess wearing pants?!?! That has never happend before! *Cough Mulan and Jasmine cought cought*
100Fleur100 I think they’re making a big deal out of it because Mulan and Aladdin aren’t as popular anymore. Kids care more about Frozen than anything
Mulan is not a princess ! 😂
cece_ lqr she kinda is not in the movie but kinda but when counting the princesses you count mulan
Jasmins outfit was actuley like a traditional "dress"
Lauren the llama crafts and slimes ..... if you referring to the animated Aladdin jasmine wore harem pants....
She did not wear a “dress.”
don't scroll down even more people are arguing about pants and feminism
is just interesting to read
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Thanks for this 😉
Lol
shadecho thanks for the warning
Disney:Get this guys....its FEMINIST...if...
THEY'RE IN PANTS
Disney:*our work here is done.*
greyandanasteele In my opinion Frozen isnt a very feminist movie
Thy also pretended that there has never been a Disney princess in pants before, like Jasmine and Mulan does actually exist believe it or not
Marte Paulsen also aren’t a ton of Disney films like Mulan and Brave about strong willed, capable women? I mean most of the films are about girls who are rebellious and want to live their own lives. I mean Mulan literally defeats an army single handily. In Brave she’s the best archer and is incredibly, well, Brave. How much more empowered can you portray them as? I guess you could give them ice powers. I’m all for female empowerment, I just don’t know why they act like Frozen is more empowering for women then movies like Brave or Mulan.
Alyssa I completely agree
I don't think this is for girls (like me) who grow up with Mulan is just a new genearation of princess, that little girls like, just like Mulan used to be for the little girls who grow up with her.
I'm getting a vibe that they are shitting on the earlier princesses and it's pissing me off. Mulan saved China. Belle saved a Beast. Ariel didn't wait for a Prince, she went for him. Cinderella and Snow White are abuse survivors. Tiana started a successful restaurant during Jim Crow law years, Aurora gave up her happiness to full her "royal duty ", all of them are strong women. Can they shut up ? A woman wearing pants doesn't make her a strong girl. It's her attitude, bravery and courage that does. And loving a man DOES NOT make you weak. Frozen is overrated anyways.
Miss Valentine Exactly!
Someone nitpicking on Disney's earlier princesses does not make it look strong. It makes them look ignorant.
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And don't forget Meredith she didn't need no man and she is probably one of the most bad ass Disney princess that I know 😍
Word!
Okay, the additions to the stage show look great--Elsa's song "Monster" in particular sounds REALLY interesting--but am I the only one who's sick of people acting like "Frozen" is the first Disney film to show a leading lady breaking the "traditional" roles expected of women? It's like they completely forgot about Mulan and Esmeralda.
TheaterRaven THANK YOU
+Alyssa Workman You're welcome.
It's seriously bugging me. Everyone's like, "Anna and Elsa are such good role models! They show any girl can do anything!" . . . Except they were born into royalty and have all the privilege and power that entails. Not every girl does and being born or marrying into nobility shouldn't be so heavily associated with having the power to change yourself or the world around you. Mulan and Esmeralda weren't royal in any sense and yet they did far more in their films than Anna and Elsa ever did. They didn't need aristocratic titles to be compassionate and strong and viewed as such by both audiences and within the worlds of their stories.
+disgusting Sparkle Yeah, I know what you mean. I loved those movies as a kid, but I was the weird girl in school. While all the other little girls were playing house at recess and daydreaming about finding their princes, I was on the jungle gym, pretending it was Notre Dame and that I was having awesome adventures with Quasimodo. :)
It sucks that Disney seems to pander to such made-up gender norms, the idea that all girls will like "traditional" Disney princesses who do "traditional" feminine things. And yet when they break those conventions that no one's forcing them to keep (except maybe the almighty dollar), everyone sings their praises--"Disney is being SO brave by creating such modern female icons!" Please.
Yes, more diverse female characters are needed in today's storytelling, but the bar shouldn't be set so low that a female character wearing pants or simply not marrying or finding a romantic interest by the end of the tale should be regarded as revolutionary in 2018 (or lead to the assumption that "Well, she's a single woman who's focusing on herself and her role as queen, so clearly she's a lesbian!", but that's a whole other conversation).
i found Tiana an even better rolemodel than Anna and Elsa, she wasnt born into privilege and wealth, she didnt have a magic spell or fairy godmother, she worked really hard to make her dreams come true!
TheaterRaven Don’t forget Merida!
Um, excuse me but Elsa and Anna are not the first Disney Princesses to wear pants
moomoo_girl15 It’s like every feminist overlooked Mulan
Even tho Brave wore a dress she was a women that didn’t want to marry. She wanted to be independent
Dark Shadow Storm Yeah, but Esmeralda isn't a Disney Princess(SHE SHOULD BE THOUGH!)
TurTle TurTle Mulan is actually not a princess 🙄
Hannah Dahlgren actually she is, not by blood but by marriage
Jasmine wears pants and n the whole movie
Ciara Monroe and don't forget Mulan....90% pants in that movie.
Beth Boyd if it 90% it only counts a small bit🤣
AND_PEGGY neither Arab nor Chinese cultures encouraged or even permitted women to wear pants.🙁 Jasmine's outfit was the most shocking of all princesses. Plus she broke cultural norms and married for love instead of the norm of whoever her father chose. One of the main struggles in Mulan was that woman should stay in there place and she was breaking that mold. Both of these princesses are far more shocking and break more cultural norms than Elsa wearing pants. I get that our stereotypical princess does not where pants but there are far better representations of women empowerment. It's not the clothes that makes their stories powerful. ☺ it's their ideas and way of thinking.😊
AND_PEGGY I agree. I don't quite see why they are making a huge deal about it.
Ciara Monroe I mean Pocahontas wore pants in her second movie lolz
“They don’t need us but, we need them.”
That’s not feminism...that’s...not what feminism is trying to be...it means...equality?????? Not...women overpowering men???????????
Completely agree with you! so many people confuse feminism with putting down men...
Hey look it’s the Schuyler sisters
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I was going to comment this as well. It’s not feminism. The two main roles are princesses- holding more power and supremacy over all the men. Not equal if you ask me.
Finally, someone understands that feminism isn't being superiority but equality, which I feel that people forget constantly and have completely ruined the word feminism
I like that Elsa wears pants but I think they are making a way bigger deal about this than is needed. Also, I think the pants costume is designed a little funny. Maybe it's because the only difference from the dress is the lack of skirt.
to be honest, the design of the pant kinda make Elsa look like wearing a pajamas or something.
+Sydney Orton
I agree. While I like the idea of Elsa in pants (c'mon, snowy mountain terrain is no place for form-fitting slit dresses, and kitten heels), I think what *doesn't* work for me, is it looks like she's wearing the same cape as her ice dress cape...which bugs me. I admit, I'm not a fan of her ice cape (it's way too long, and where it is attached to hey body, is very impractical -- just check out any Elsa cosplayer -- that cape is a nightmare), so, I really wish they would've made this new cape shorter, when they added pants, instead of a skirt. :-/
Also they’re ugly lmao. They basically just stole the Hamilton backing performer’s outfit and put snowflakes on it
I think the pants should have been a different color. That would have changed the look completely - for the better.
Agreed. People are making too big a deal about it.
pAnTs??! WOaH sUch FemINisM!!
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Mistery kriiss Can yall stop hating you dumbass... ✋🙄
kkh369 I’m not gonna start something with you. Your a waste of time. 🙄
kkh369 performing with pants is more efficient than performing in a dress but too bad this video didn’t message it :/
kkh369 ALERT ALERT spelling police! 🙄
As a women i dont expect superior treatment. Only need equality
If my comment is wrong pls send a reply
there are lots of musicals centered around male relationships & Frozen is a gorgeous musical celebrating sisterhood. I don’t see how that’s superior treatment?
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I've seen a few people complaining about how Elsa wearing pants is historically inaccurate as this story takes place in the 1800s. Disney has never been historically accurate, nor have their costumes. In the original, Elsa did not wear bloomers or a petticoat, and I'm sure that sheer sleeves and a slit up to the knee would've been pretty uncool back then, too. These costumes aren't more inaccurate, they're just differently innacurate.
Hannah B Its a friggin fairytale with magical icy powers and trolls and people unironically point out that its historically inaccurate? lmfao its not even set in the real world 1800s
I don't really care about historical inaccuracies... to me it just looks bad, that's all...
Not to mention the fact that it’s Broadway.
I'll give you the slit up to the knee- however sheer sleeves and a REALLY low bustline was normal going back to the 1500's in most of Europe- in fact people made bets on what woman would pop out of the top of her dress at parties. Also women wetted their undergarments to make them cling more and often wore VERY sheer clothing in the 1700's.
Ya know what else is inaccurate? THEY FREAKING SING I DONT THINK THEY BROKE OUT INTO SONG IN THE 1800s!!!!
I absolutely hate the whole "Society was wrong, training us to want prince charming! We don't need men!!" is the definition of feminism, because it's completely insulting and degrading to women who actually want true love from a man in their life.
i agree but what is the definition of feminism?
@@lenoralol9962 depends on who you ask
It does not say "WANT" it says "NEED" almost everyone WANTS someone's true love but nobody NEEDS it
@@steph6955 That sounds incredibly bitter lmao in reality it's just Disney using their Princesses to market their half baked feminism because they want an award. It is literally not deeper than that.
This is a nitpick, but is anyone else bothered by the way the top of Elsa's hair is styled? It's got gaps or something in it and it looks unflattering.
Its just trying to be like the movie
Yes!!
Yes but from where the audience is sitting it looks fine. Sometimes they do hair and makeup “over done” to where it looks weird up close but it looks great from the audience.
But from the audience you can’t tell
Probably for the transition when an actor who has one try to get this right and it’d take forever to redo the wig just for that one moment, it’s easier to make a hairstyle that they can do into the signature braid with the least amount of hitches.
"They don't need us but we need them" is actually really sad, cause in real life of course we mutually need each other and I hope he knows that.
“a feminist twist”
normally I don’t say I’m cringing but my body is actually contorted in disgust right now
XD SAME!!
5:05 Women don't need men, but men need them! Excuse me that's bullshit, feminism is not making men look useless and women as independent and powerful, both sexes are equal and both can be independent what the fuck!!! The idea really amazed me of having a frozen broadway musical, but I don't know now. I really hope that this turn out wells, because it has/had the potential to become a great musical
Dark Shadow Storm
I think it's not healthy to promote loneliness as something cool. Men and women need each other. People actually want love and family. It is normal and healthy. You don't have to have one if you don't want to but most people do want someone special in their life. And saying that women don't need men - sorry, but it's just not true, no matter how much feminists want it to be.
Yes! Men and women are both equals and needs to respect one another, we are codependent human beings. Those words like one don’t need another just sounds too arrogant, ignorant and unrealistic to me, how could that be called as feminism? Also as a example of avoid confrontation and escape from responsibility, also being rescued by others, I never really view Elsa or Frozen as one of the models of feminism.
While I absolutely agree that men and women are equal and equally independent, I don’t think that’s what the actor was trying to get at here. When he says they don’t need men but men need them, I didn’t interpret it as women as a whole but rather Elsa and Ana as individuals. He was alluding to how this story is unique in that the women protagonists aren’t drawn into an unnecessary romance for the sake of it (in particular Elsa). However I can see why the phrase is controversial and he definitely could have worded it a little better
Finally someone said it
They don't promote "loneliness" as something cool, or that men are useless pricks. He said women don't Need men, and that's a fact. He isn't saying we should never see or contact each other?? Or that we can't be partners or live together? He's right, don't mix his words.
Honestly that Kristoff is putting me off. I couldn't care less about his skin color but he has a very "cool" demeanor, more like a tradicional Disney prince and Kristoff is supposed to be goofy and sarcastic.
This is about sisterhood, not feminism at all...
"Both of you woo the girl, but none of you get her"
Excuse me, what?
httydgirl74 ok I'm happy. If they changed that for the musical, I would've been very sad
Why does everything have to be about politics these days. Is it impossible to do something just for fun.
Ikr
Tis the messed up world we live in.
Amen
It’s the American way
This honestly feels like an SNL sketch.
OH MY GOD YEAH XD
You right 😂❤️
Women don’t need men, but men need women? Excuse me? I’m a female okay. So I may be expected to agree. But I disagree. Both men and women need eachother. This isn’t equality, it’s about power. Both men and women are good and bad at different things. This is a known fact of life. Some may say it’s a stereotype but
1. Stereotypes are based in truth
2. This is a biological fact.
Men and Women work like a function to a system. Men are needed for one thing, whereas women are needed for the other.
Erika Nance I'm pretty sure he meant in the context of this story. Hanz needs Anna to gain power and Kristoff needs Anna to be less lonely I guess. That's how I interpreted what he said anyway. Also sexual division of labor, aside from the actual act of making of a baby and breastfeeding, isn't necessary anymore since we aren't living in a hunter gatherer society so..... Get yourself a cushion for your butthurt ok?
YOU'RE SO RIGHT!
Erika Nance yes exactly. If one gender didn't need the other everyone would be the same gender.
Dark Shadow Storm, no both are not capable of producing a baby
Do you mean with the help of science?
that costume with pants doesn't look good tho... bah.
And its so stupid to wear a cape while on the run
Agreed. It looks really bad
Ikr I loved the slit dress
Ikr it looks like she’s a mutant mermaid
It could've been pulled off, but yeah its not good.
personally i think having a contest for who is the most feminist is weird. but frozen was always feminist. feminism is clear and SIMPLE. women are just as capable as men in EVERYTHING. female empowerment doesn’t get much more specific than that. people have GOT to stop complaining that feminism is turning bad. it’s not. if anything is unfair, it’s no longer feminism.
plus, men and women coming together doesn’t sully feminism at all. men and women working together as equals actually sounds very feminist. i love frozen because i love women saving themselves not cus men saving anything is bad but because saving yourself is the BEST WAY to empower yourself and find ur independence. that’s something EVERYONE WANTS. ok??? u can be independent or single or independent and taken, it doesn’t matter. love is love
>women are just as capable as men in EVERYTHING
Bullshit. Biology disagrees with you. And you know what - there is nothing wrong with it. I don't really mind being physically weaker than a man, I can give birth - a man can't. We are NOT the same, but it does not make one sex better than the other. We both have our strengths and weaknesses.
IrinNovy Yep, you got that point right. There are things women can't do that men can, and things men can't do that women can. That statement is completely Bullshit.
Its just that some women are taking this great concept and turning it into a misandry movement. Trying to become superior to men instead of being equal. Thats why so many men are getting fed up with feminism, because theyre constantly critisised. Anything they suggest or say are brushed off as "mansplaining".
preach it🙌🏼
I was going to add a comment but you took everything I meant to say. People will try to spur some sort of negativity by saying "Oh biologically its B.S" or "we're not a communist country", crap like that which is simply being a troll. Not only can it literally happen if women choose to work their bodies to that point, but more generally, and the point in making, is that they know EXACTLY what you mean but choose to be ignorant!
I really liked the anthem, "Let it Go". Until I heard a three year old in Barnes and Noble, encouraged by a wanna-be stage mommy, sing it over and Over, and OVer, and OVEr, and OVER for a good 20 minutes. Mama thought she was the cutest little trick in shoeleather. The rest of the store wasn't of the same opinion--especially those who were trying to read in peace and QUIET.
“Feminist twist” yikes
Haha exactly! Just what we need, MORE women that want to hate men and be the victim even though we have all our rights!
Emily Gee it’s supposed to be about equality
*_-Lucy He-_* was* it was about equality when feminism started but now it’s about making women superior
Spoiler alert: the feminist twist is that Elsa and Anna wear pants in some scenes. Shocker.
While it is new and different from the movie and Disney movies especially for the princesses to be wearing pants, it's silly to act like this is still the time of suffrage and women aren't allowed to wear pants.
With that said, long skirts are particularly heinous for travel. I wouldn't call the characters wearing pants "feminist" as much as I would call it more practical. 😁
Yeah feminists we don't need your mansplaining and period rants! -_-
Am I the only one who's just grinning at how Kristoff is played by Alladin???
That was great indeed. What I don't get though, why isn't he instead of the Hans-actor from the Southern Isles? They could have made Kristoff Inuït, as that would make more sense than either being black or blond.
I'm grinning at the fact that Elsa (Caissie Levy) played Elphaba before, and Anna (Patti Murin) played Glinda. On separate productions, but still. It's perfect.
My cognitive dissonance is going crazy with this casting choice !
animelover6195 kkkkkkk i loved that
WHY ISNT MUSICAL OLAF VOICED BY MOVIE OLAF AKA BOOK OF MORMON CINNAMON ROLL, HE DID BROADWAY BEFORE
BB Trash Kristoff was Johnathon Groff and he’s been on broadway too!
Why everything in Musicals has to be cinnamon rolls?
Jonathan Groff could have done Kristoff!!! But then wouldn't they have had to offer the other cast the opportunity to play their respective movie roles too? I am sure some of the cast could get away with it like Jonathan, Kristen and Santino but Idina Menzel, despite her amazing voice and talent, does not look twenty one years old anymore.....sadly
The reason she couldn't really be Elpheba in the Wicked movie (if they ever do make it) now unfortunately. She is an amazing singer so she would of been amazing in this.
Probably because he was doing films at the time. He did Beauty and the Beast then straight onto Murder on the Orient Express, I feel he would of had trouble finding time for rehersal (a shmae really).
Maybe not but it is a possibility.
0:16 let all of Arendalle be agreed. I'm a monster through& through. Anna since I could not succeed in saving you.
JaKoB Martin ANAAA ANNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISSHHEED
thanks I've been looking for that for a while hahaha
Dude I’d be so down for dark Elsa
Lauren Leyva supposedly, sh was originally written to be the bad guy and then they changed their minds
That Olaf puppet is going to give me nightmares
I'm all for gender equality and stuff but can we tone down the whole feminist thing just for the sake of marketing...
I find it sad that she had to lean down to shake Olaf's hand.
Olaf and I are the same height.
Edit: Dang! I didn't know I would get this many likes, so thanks, everyone!
solange aniekwu and the fact that I’m even shorter than Olaf 😑
solange aniekwu a
I’m shorter than the snowman 😐😢😭
solange aniekwu same. Olaf is the same height as me too.
Im slightly taller than Olaf
Wow!! They have completely added so much more to the story and character development. Can’t wait; this looks incredible
Christian Trejo Iola,l,
I listened to Monster a few weeks back when it was released. A very good song but a lot darker then what was in the film (at least that is what I picked up).
Not sure if it just me but I read it as Elsa thinking she should kill herself but maybe not.
Yeah, it sounds like it since she considers it in the song, but won't know for sure until we watch it.
Oh my god people are so ANNOYING, guess what? The founding fathers were all white but almost the entire cast of Hamilton wasn’t, and I don’t see anyone complaining about that. The guy who plays Kristoff was chosen because he is a good actor, get over it. Also, Frozen is not even set in a specific historical time (plus it’s a fantasy), and even if it was Elsa’s original dress wouldn’t be historically accurate at all, so the fact that she wears pants shouldn’t be that big of a deal. Also, the “women don’t need men but men need them” was something the ACTOR said, not the play producers or whatever, this is just a story with two independent girl protagonists who love each other, it doesn’t make it automatically “sexist towards men”. This is coming from a person who really doesn’t like the movie, but I can still understand what they are going for here.
I went to a private Christian school for my high school years and had to wear a skirt every day. The only time I didn't was in PE and when I was playing volleyball except we couldn't wear normal shorts either; we had to wear culotts (i botched the spelling). I honestly hated having to wear a skirt all the time, especially since most of my classes were on the second floor. I don't like the pants costume though because it just looks...off. I'm not a fashion designer by any means
Posted too early. Blah. But like, I don't have a problem with Elsa wearing pants (I'd have more of a problem if they had the Hamilton women wear pants because of the setting) I just don't like how the costume looks. Not sure how to explain it.
Ebilkitty Rainstar I get you, and I understand why you think it doesn’t look good. It just annoys me that people are so bothered by the fact that the pants aren’t “accurate” which is bullshit. I personally don’t have a strong opinion about the look, as I said before I don’t really care for frozen.
Duda Binder They literally said "Kristoff is the *good Nordic* guy".
pink glitter that's his character, dumbass
Dear Disney, STOP LISTENING/PLEASING THE SJWS AND DO SOMETHING GOOD!
Yeah!
Elsa is wearing pants?? Why? Omg. Unnecessary. She just looks like she's undressed. In her bloomers.
I don't know about this...Their making such a big deal about Elsa wearing pants...Elsa isn't even the most inspirational princess. What about Mulan? Most of the movie was her wearing pants. But she saved all of CHINA! So why is Elsa getting all the love if she just FROZE her town and then put it back together. I mean come on! Elsa was the reason that everyone was in trouble. Mulan went off because her father was sick and she didn't want him in war. Mulan took his place, and she could have got killed for it. Jasmine also wore pants for all of the movie and was beautiful with doing it. She disobeyed her father and married some one else,even tho he wasn't a prince. Frozen is over rated. It happened in 2014. Why can't they do one of the originals from the 1990's like Hercules? Megera didn't need Hercules to begin with. She sold her soul to save her boyfriend. After her boyfriend ran off with another girl she became independent. And was always independent during the whole movie. Tiana was born into a poor family. Yet she made her dreams come true! So why is Elsa in power all of the sudden? And why make a Disney movie feminist? Ugh. It just makes me upset that us girls think we over power men. We are ALL EQUAL! Yes I'm all up for women getting payed the same amount etc. But I don't spend my whole day worrying about it?! In fact, I just brush it off and go on with my day. This is just upsetting.
Mulan was feminist before Frozen. Gtfo of here
Those pants look so bad 😂😂
Ginger Turquoise yeah!
Fr😭😂
They're like pj pants to me 😂
Ginger Turquoise WHY!?!
they look better IRL tbh...
The performers are much older than their characters, they should be younger.
EDIT: woah guys didn’t think I’d get 108 likes in one day, Thanks.
Through the Telescope! Heard of literally any show ever. In into the woods Jack is 15 and was played by a 22 year old
They spend so much money on these things they need preformers with enough experience to properly pull it off
Tbh Idina Menzel's voice doesn't sound anywhere near 21 in the movie, as well.
They need more mature and professional actors. Their age doesn't matter it's just a show
And much uglier 🤮
Ugh, I loved the songs in this and all, the effects and visuals of this show are also amazing, I liked the cast, but we really didn't need this "Feminist, women don't need men, men need women" thing, it's annoying. I say this as a female myself. It's not necessary, my goodness.
Sea Pearl Well, its annoying when people are like "WHEN are getting married" or "oh, you dont have a boyfriend? Thats sad. Your life must be uncomplete." Yeah , THATS annoying.
Amélie Sirois um... Not exactly sure how that relates to the video but ok
Sea Pearl well, you say its annoying when women say they dont need men. And i respond that its annoying when people thinks women need a man in their life. Im pretty sure it relates to what you just said.
Amélie Sirois oh, alright. Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still annoying when people keep saying that women don't need men they're independent and men need them. Also, what I meant by that is, if some women think they don't need men that's fine, but when everyone makes it an unnecessarily big deal it's annoying
@The Man vs PC dude I wrote that like two years ago. I don't even think like that anymore. loll. Get with the program.
I didn't know that a Nordic guy named Kristoff is now a black guy. If a White guy played black panther it would be called cultural appropriation but when a POC play a role intended for a white guy, it's called diversity.
scorpioninpink You are incredibly ignorant.
Eddie Spaghetti No he’s right
Modern society's logic:
Person complaining about a black person acting a white character --> "You are so ignorant! Racist!"
Person complaining about a white person acting a black character --> "OMG! How dare they! This is wrong! Let's sabotage the show!"
Seriously, something is wrong with our double standard society.
Does it fucking matter if he is black
He just playing a part
"Women don't need men, but men need women"
Oh wow.... I just can't.....
Son of a Brick I know he was so sweet to say that
I...didn't think I could hate Frozen anymore than I already did...
Thanks for proving me wrong, Disney.
But, what’s the twist? Is it really that they’re wearing pants?! Cause I think you’re a few decades too late. Now if their pants have functioning pockets...
Pants? Really? Slapping pants on Elsa doesn't make this story more "female empowering". It just looks silly, as if she ran out of the house half-dressed and in bloomers. I love the message of true love through family ties that the original movie portrayals and will, without a doubt, still see this Broadway one day when the hype (and price) calms down, but I feel like they are taking it a bit too far. I get what they are trying to do and appreciate it as a woman, but if anything, removing Elsa from the dress is saying that a female can't be independent and empowering if she is wearing a corset and tight dress. Clothing does not determine anything.
Y’all complaining about this musical and I’m just sitting here admiring the Elsa dress. It’s gorgeous. Like I need it. I really was looking forward to this musical. Never really watched the movie, but heard the songs. Oh but the new song monster is amazing for frozen. It’s interesting and different for Disney. But I still wanna see Hamilton or Aladdin first.
I can't say the dress is bad, it is really pretty
Absolutely, that dress is gorgeous, and the new music is great.
Darn, I thought this had died in 2014.
Andrew King it’s begging for death but their gonna milk it like a sore teat
Cash cows don't die very easily.
Adam Slater this poor cow needs to be put down before it’s milk turns to blood
Oh no no... It was just placed in deep freeze, so that it could be used again and again and again....
And then the second one comes out *breathing intensifies*
So unfortunate that racist people are upset about a black Kristoff . This is a fantastic show!
It's not being racist- it simply doesn't tie in with the historical setting of the movie. Back then, most blacks worked for American and British settlers in the colonies. I haven't heard of a black settlement in 17-18 century Norway.
Aeric Lee This is fictional. There isn’t anything historical about this show. And European Egyptian Pharaohs don’t tie into the historical setting! But how many movies have you seen like this. The difference between the two is that one is that Pharaohs actually existed!
Aeric Lee Why was Tarzan swinging around in African jungles? No one has a problem with “historical relevance” until a black person is seen favorably.
Fool! Tarzan ended up stranded in the jungle, he wasn't born there! He was adopted by the great apes and raised by them.
Huh? I didn't get the last sentence.
the two actresses look too old on stage for the characters...
Pablitim2005 I wonder if they're going to use actual kids to play young Anna and Elsa
Pablitim2005 from the audience, you can't really see the age that well. Keep in mind they had a bunch of 30 year olds playing 19 year olds in The Book of Mormon.
Because it's for adult
"We're writing this for a more adult crowd. We've added some raciness" I'm sorry, but what was wrong with the highest grossing animated movie for kids you're basing this on? Disney films to plays do well when they keep the fun, playful, and family tone. Stop being insecure about being a kids movie
Rachael Muncie it’s not about insecurity, it’s because adults care more about broadway than children, and to give them a little something extra to enjoy.
Writing for adults is foolish in this case because we're all kinda sick of Frozen. Like, Let it Go was a great song, don't get me wrong, but it got super overplayed and now folks are all set to stab each other if they hear it one more time. It'd be smarter to make it for kids. They don't know what the word "overplayed" means. Plus, y'know, do we really have to take everything we make for kids and then turn it into something for adults? Just let them have some things.
Fuck ikr?? like still to this day its being so overly played. from 2013 to 2018.
Y'all are complaining about a black guy playing Kristoff because it's not "historically accurate" NEWSFLASH Arendelle is a fictional place. Is a talking snowman historically accurate? Are a bunch of rock troll things historically accurate?
They literally reffered to him as the good Nordic ice sheppard....
Jean MacKey Adam Jacobs, who plays Aladdin, is half white (Russian, Dutch, Polish) and half Filipino. So yeah, it's not "historically accurate". If you're making a fuss about black Kristoff but didn't care about a half-white Aladdin, maybe you should reevaluate what you REALLY have a problem with. The historical accuracy, or his race? Not to mention, 90% of the voice cast for the original Aladdin was white.
Jean MacKey Yeah Adam Jacobs, a half-white actor, plays Aladdin in Broadway. I wasn't directing the race question directly at you - obviously I don't know you. I'm just making a broader point about how there was outrage when a black man was cast in a typically white role, but none when a white man was cast in a typically middle eastern role. That's a racial double standard that the public holds.
But its in the movie you cant change whats in the movie
Um... pants?... what makes pants feminist? I’m confused
Women wear pants today so basically it’s moving away from the time period that Frozen is set in. Makes no sense honestly
Production looks good. Casting is pretty bad. Anna is supposed to be a teenager. Her actress is probably around 40 or something
Okay here's my opinion on this. I understand this movie was alright but looking at the trailers and clips it honestly doesn't look that good. Well the good things I want to point out are the set, lighting and some of the costumes. I love the lighting it works really well along with the music. However I think the whole reason why this musical was made was purely for money. I've listened to some of the songs and they are not that spectacular. I don't find monster to be very catchy and it personally doesn't feel right that this is on Broadway. Its just a way to make easy money. This is my personal opinion
Disney just can't "let it go"...
We got a black kristoff !!!!!!
BFord Blezzing wow
BFord Blezzing but why though?
I Don't Know What I'm Doing because he plays Kristoff well
I Don't Know What I'm Doing cause he's a good actor!
BFord Blezzing I love that kristoff is black in the theatrical production!
As a broadway fan and frozen movie fan, this looks horrendous.
Grant Holmes California adventures version is soooo much better than this
I saw it and it was amazing-
And this is coming from a broadway fan.
I think it should be pretty good. I have not seen it yet, but the version they did at my sister's theatre program was amazing, and that did not have as much as a budget as this. I'd like to think the broadway version is better than that one.
Y'all... need to stop being so negative!
So how's it gonna work for Fixer Upper? Are they changing the lyrics or giving the Guy a wig? BC I mean "are you holding back your fondness due to his unmanly blondness" just Lost its meaning
The-Super Nikko this is the kind of in depth analysis that I want to see in the comments! Thank you!
Jordan Schaeffer what I just asked a question, no need for sarcasm here + why would I bother repeating what's been said a hundred Times already in other comments when I Can just like those comments or reply to them? I'd rather ask à legit question instead, it's not like it's offending anyone... Not trying to sound rude or mean but I just don't get your reaction
Its will be blackness
They changed the lyrics.
Ellie Mehaffy do you know what they said instead please?
Neither guy ends up with Anna in the play? Guess they needed some way to make it “fresh” smh.
I think what's so iconic about Frozen is the sisterly love and that platonic love is shown to be equally important. Yes, woman are competent and even single in other Disney movies, but Frozen gives a new outlook on love for Disney films. I honestly don't think it's overrated. Not all of the people who love it are saying it's the first Disney film to do it. A lot of us just love it, so it's kind of annoying hearing people constantly going on about how overrated it is. If you want to say some Disney films are underrated I'll agree in a heartbeat, but I don't think Frozen is overrated.
All of those princess love is not true love. But the same goes for Elsa and Anna. Elsa and Anna are sisters by blood. The fact that they are related make their love seems more like an obligation rather than true love. Like, "I love her because she is my sister"or something like that. I'll say Kai and Gerda's love from the original story is even more unique and rarer and probably stronger than Elsa and Anna. Kai and Gerda are not related but they love each other just as much (platonically). And Gerda dares to go on a dangerous journey to save her friends Kai even though they are not real brother and sister. But then again that just an opinion
Now, a lot of people think it is an overrated movie because some fangirl/fanboys keep saying how it is the best-animated movie ever made and that set the expectation of people who haven't watch it very high. But when they watch it, obviously it didn't fulfill their very high expectation and the flaws of the movie become more visible to them. So if you don't want your favorite movie to be called overrated, think about that! Overexposure can ruin the movie.
I'm going to have to disagree completely. Being related by blood is not an obligation to love. At all. I choose who my family is. If my blood related family does something horrible then I will not hesitate to drop them.
Elsa loves Anna because they went through so much together, and Anna loves Elsa because even without the memories, the love remained.
What makes Frozen different is that the true love that saves the day isn't romantic.
It is though, especially for kids. They have been told, "You have to love your family, brother, sister, mother, father, etc, etc. Because they are your family, brother, sister, mother, etc etc." They don't have a choice because they live together in the same house. They have to love them so they love them back so they can stay in the house comfortably without screaming at each other every hour. People either just refused to acknowledge it or didn't realize about it because society all over the world being raised to love their family no matter what. The same goes for parent and children (especially this). Imagine if your mom suddenly said "I don't love you. Get out of my house." while you are still a kid and cannot fend for herself. Just wait for "Children Protective Service" come and have you being put to jail.
"Elsa loves Anna because they went through so much together,"
Went through so much?? Elsa shut herself from the rest of the world and didn't even talk to her. "GO AWAY ANNA x100". Instead of talking it through with Anna to make her understand, her stupid parents erase her memories. And Elsa didn't even make an effort to communicate with her. Like, try in secret maybe...
"What makes Frozen different is that the true love that saves the day isn't romantic."
I could say the same about The Little Mermaid. It was Triton's love of letting Ariel find her happiness that brings her to a happy ending. If he didn't transform Ariel back to human, she has to part with Eric. Yet people overlooked that...
But then again "True Love" didn't exist. Not in family, friend, or couple.
They just described the moral of the movie in a nutshell.
There is really nothing empowering about the two female lead characters wearing pants I wear pants all the time I don't see it as empowering at all.
Anyone else think the woman playing Elsa doesn't actually look like her? Honestly, she seems too old. Ana doesn't quite look right, either. I just can't put my finger on it.
xoxardnekoxo right? When they're not in costume they look perfectly fine, in costume - super uncomfortable.
Im not attempting to offend anyone, but if you look at most Scandinavian native people, they do not seem darkly skinned; making the casting of Kristoff incorrect. I don't mind the innacurate dresses or the fact that Elsa suddenly has trousers; but I do mind that they are detracting from the original character designs. Elsa looks like Elsa, Anna looks like Anna, so why doesn't Kristoff look like Kristoff? 😒
Bruh, women are not superior to men, men are not superior to women. We all need each other. I don’t like how they’re forcing feminism into Frozen. Stop y’all.
I am not letting my little sister hear about this...
I love musicals...
I hate Frozen.
No.
Also oh wow, no wonder Elsa was an outcast. A woman wearing pants in the 1800's? Not to mention the queen! Wow, that's one way to loose respect. I'm not shitting on Disney (okay I am) because of how inaccurate it's movies are, but this is ridiculous. They should make a historically accurate movie for once.. it'll be more interesting.
Why do I see you everywhere? Also, this is the only serious post I've ever seen from you, you're Evolving.
When Anna is marching in the front and they are in a triangle formation, it reminds me of Les Miserables XD
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This isn’t feminism. This is like the video said, an act of being superior.
I don't get why people make such a big deal out of women being the heroes. Women have been kicking ass in fairytales for AGES, including the Snow Queen. It's nothing new!
Disney: guys she's gonna wear pants! It's a feminist!!! Yes!! Guys our work here is done.
I heard this wasn’t very good - too bad they couldn’t just leave it alone and stay true to the movie !
Lavenia Hewes changing it for theatrical reasons and changing things to push an agenda are different
The movie itself wasn't very good either!
Of course a feminist twist we live in 2019. Now I know why my school is doing this
OK Frozen has always been female empowering and about the love between sisters n shit and I'm totally for that, but... come on. Feminism is about equal treatment.
i absolutely love the song writers, they totally deserve the oscar even the outtake songs from the movie were amazing so these new songs must be so great ahhh
Ok, Frozen, calm down, you're not knocking down as many barriers as you're acting like you are
No offense, but this is too political for a kid's show, and lets be honest, its a children's show.
i'm still super excited for this, but all the feminist talk is getting insufferable...
i hate it when they say princess in pants?? i like the outfit elsa wore better when i saw previews few wks ago
Dark Shadow Storm yes, really. what?
equality for women is still important, yes, but people don't need to make such a point of it. feminism doesn't need to be a prominent political movement anymore, full equality has already been mostly achieved. i'm fine with frozen empowering women as a main message, but these promotional videos don't need to keep pointing it out, you know? its annoying and preachy.
i feel like the image of women is fine....
that might be the thing with some people, but honestly in my experience few people are like that. i've seen far more people complain about those kinds of things than people actually doing it
Why are they wearing pants! This movie is set in the 1800 i think. Why can't they just go with the original set of time. That's like saying Jesus wore a suit. When in reality that wasnt invented yet.
egricci1 To be fair, I don’t think there was talking snowmen either
SimplyGeeky 😂😂😂
egricci1 This movie is fantasy partially inspired by Scandinavian culture. Nobody actually believes it's an accurate representation of history, my friend. You draw the line at the pants but if you think Anna's ballgown was the stuff they wore in the 1800s I'd suggest you read up more on period fashion.
Most likely because it's convenient for the actress. She needs to do a lot more running and moving around and it would be very difficult to do in a dress with a long skirt. The pants make it easier for her to move without having to worry about stepping on the costume or tripping.
Even if women didn't, men wore various types of pants in most periods, and women often wore men's outfit for horse riding, so nothing is wrong with a woman who has to escape, run, travel and has let it go that chooses to wear men's pants instead of a dress
I get that they wanted to "represent minorities" by making Kristoff black, but Kristoff is Sami. That's an even smaller minority.
Does anyone know when the songs on the Broadway show will be released with the cast singing as their characters?
Keana Enriquez June 22, I believe.
Thanks! I can’t wait!!
Star Cherry They moved the release date to May 11. It's out already!
Do you mean the cast recording?
It sounds very weird to me how let it go is about embracing your differences through a metaphor of a queen embracing the fact she almost killed her sister
The title and description made me think: They've finally done it, a lesbian disney princess. ABC news doing clickbait? what has the world come to...
I guarantee they made a bigger deal out of it than it actually is in the show. Disney isn't stupid - they're not going to alienate half their audience.
EDIT: And, hey, turns out I WAS RIGHT!
Julia Wburn
#GiveElsaAGirlfriend
Same! I was so exited when I saw the title but it’s just about pants? I mean okay pants are great, but it’s not even feminism it’s about overpowering men and that is not what true feminism is... I’m exited about the musical but at the same time not really?
“A feminist twist,” they say, as if the movie is not about how true love is really just family and nobody needs a man. “A feminist twist,” they say, as if women have never worn pants before, Disney princess or not. “A feminist twist,” they say, as if feminism isn’t about equality, and that implying how women don’t need men but men need women is fine.
My name is Elsa, and I’m pretty over this Frozen hype, not going to lie.
This a horrible message: "Letting go of expectations, being perfect all the time, doing stuff for everybody else, and embracing the mess of life and feeling free" Basically it boils down to the acceptance movement. A better way of thinking about it would be for women to rise above expectations, giving 110%, helping others and not accepting your failings but working on fixing them. If the original message is feminist then feminism has low expectations of women.
I don’t like that Kristoff. At all. He’s talented and all... but he’s NOT the character.
And yes, I watched the show already (which was a huge production, obviously, but was kinda lame and slow for me), and I don’t like the guy as Kristoff. Never will.
Caissie is amazing though. Even with those new songs (that feel out of that universe somehow).
Tabris Fru Lar just say ur racist and go
ashar abdallah hah. You’re stupid. I’m not. My grandfather is a black, Cuban man. So... no.
Sorry to disappoint you.
"My grandfather is black" doesn't mean you're not racist .
Tabris Fru Lar, I'm all with ya! Except what you said about your grandfather, I'm sure it's true and all about you not being racist, but that isn't the best argument. I have a neighbor that's white yet he's always talking complete trash about white people, and he thinks it's ok just because he's married to a black woman. And I'm like uhhh...you do realize you're white right? Haha! So just because someone is that race doesn't mean they can't be racist towards that race. Anyway, I agree with you but I wouldn't use that argument in the future ;)
I think people sometimes have trouble distinguishing "racial" vs "racist." One is having to do or pertaining to race, the latter being biased towards a race or person of a specific race for being superior or inferior based solely on their race. In this case we don't know that the original poster doesn't like this Kristoff because of his race based off of the original post.
That being said, I'm a bit taken aback and don't know that the casting makes sense to me, because this was originally supposed to be adapted from a Hans Christian Anderson fairytale and he's supposed to be NORDIC, and, I'm not sure how many black people were around the area at that time, so it feels a bit... shoehorned in maybe. He may be awesome, but it's just... like having a play for Mulan and her mom being Scottish or something. Or Brave having a musical where her mother's Chinese. It's just... a bit weird. I like it when stories have diversity and show it. But it feels like they're kind of inventing it only because of that, and that makes you mentally step back from it and remember, "Oh, this is a play I'm watching. But, I just saw Wicked last weekend and I was not happy that they didn't make one of the main character's have blue diamond tattoos that were one of the only distinguishing characteristics of him in the book, which displayed his culture. A lot of people, who know that change was made, don't care. I do. Some people don't love it when source material (be it book or movie or whatever) is changed for no apparent reason. If they're changing his backstory as well, it may make more sense, but in this case, it feels random. I may love the guy and his skills, but it's incongruous.
Am I the only one who can already imagine Kara Lindsay playing Anna? 😍
Kara Lindsay wouldve been better as Anna instead of Patti Murin
THANK YOU IT’S NOT JUST ME
Wearing pants isn’t feminist. If anything it suggests that wearing classically female clothing is insufficient for a powerful character. If Anna wore pants it would make logical sense, because she’s out hiking in the snow. For Elsa it makes no sense and looks ridiculous.
"Equality may be a right, but no power on earth will ever make it a fact." --Horace de Balzac
Broadway can do better .
That was my thought. I just don’t see how this is the best Elsa they could find. The whole cast just feels off.
notmyselfusee ya
notmyselfusee I saw “first time in forever” and “let it go” on UA-cam, and yeah, Anna seems less off than Elsa, and I can’t speak for Kristoff or Hans
galaxydollies83 Studios like anything foes by coleporter
Hello...? Jasmin.... never wore a dress...?
This girl that goes to my school, let's call her Hawk (because why not?) is the definition of a b*. I am friends with many male beings, because they are easier to become friends with. One of my closest friends, lets call him Owl, (Once again idk why) is a male being. I am told all the time I have a crush on him because I talk to him a lot. Well, one day Hawk took Owl's phone and began texting me some shit that really pissed me off. So, like, she said "Back of hater he DOES NOT like you wannabe."
This really pissed me off, and I finally let my anger out from all these people telling me I like him.
I wrote 6 long paragraphs explaining why it's no big deal if girls are friends with guys.
The next day, Owl kept making fun of me (As a friendly joke) saying i was a feminist, (which I do not understand what the hell is wrong with feminists?) So I got completely pissed off, raged at him, he apologized, but I wanted to ask you all.
Do you think it is feminist if I made those paragraphs explaining *Why girls can be friends with guys* ?
DebsTheDino If you're trying to argue in terms of gender roles, then I suppose it is feminist, because you're right - there is nothing wrong with girls and guys being friends platonically and there doesn't need to be any romantic involvement unless of course you want there to be.
But I still don't see the issue here. Are you mad that your friend was calling you a feminist when he didn't mean it (ie. he was mocking you) or that he was calling you a feminist because of your paragraphs (ie. you don't think your paragraphs are feminist and you didn't want them to be)?
Y'all talking about how Frozen had Disney's very first feminist roles when you're forgetting Mulan... 😒 and you want to make the case that feminism= princesses wear pants, Mulan literally had to CROSSDRESS the entire movie since woman weren't allowed to fight. She proved that you can be both masculine and strong and badass AND still be a feminine figure and I feel like Mulan isn't given enough credit, especially since Frozen has been pulling this bullshit.
AGH! Okay, to all the people complaining about pants, there is a REASON. Same with the shorter cape. They cut down on flexibility and Elsa needs to be able to move. I love this show. It's great. Go watch it. Watch "Let it Go" on The View. It's on UA-cam. Just do that and then come back and hate on this show. But I totally agree; Frozen is NOT about feminism or female empowerment, it's about sisterly love.
We need each other. What the heck? I’m still gonna see this musical, I’m a little disappointed in the casting for Kristoff, Jelani is hot but he’s not Kristoff. I understand that we have social issues to talk about, but can we please leave that out of a musical? When I’m wanting to be entertained I don’t want to be reminded of the social issues going on.