great engineering, I have a question, I bought a Elite Force H8R (Gen. 2), it's HDR only for 6mm, and I have a Tornade, HDR in 4.5mm, would this valve work for this guns too? I have a Arminius cal. 6mm flobert, joule 20-25, but if i could use this valve in the 6mm or in the 4.5mm, then i had a "deadly" gun! I bought RSW4mmZ20, they have 4.5mm, not 4mm, I could chance the barrel from the Torrnado and turn a steel mag to fit this cartridge! but your valve don't fit in the Elite Force H8R, the 6mm version, I would pay for it, and in Swiss the valve is legal, you can even buy the HDR50 with tuning valve installed, but you lose warranty
@@Ezekiel903that is not something i would be able to answer without taking one apart myself. There is a good chance they are interchangeable in my opinion but they also might be identical, only the barrel and drum may be different.
@@lesslethalfordummies I was thinking the same with the adapter and plug and it would increase the air chamber way more than the ZRAM . Or just a an adapter and on/off with it closed? I can’t find anything to use as a plug lol
even in wood , especially harder woods , i have seen a drill bit catch and almost snap the wrist of people not paying a 100% attention lmao lol !!! the trick ? , just like you an experienced driller executes , slow !!! , go very slow !!! lol because there is a hole to begin with , especially with temperamental plastics , i would use rotary rasp or deburring bits , i love these , makes for some really smooth and precise holes . they come in all shapes in sizes , i particular prefer the ones shaped like step drills , and the carbide ones usually used for metal as the cutting surfaces are more like rasps or files , the ones for wood are more pronounced !!! but sadly , we have all experienced times where we just cant find the right tool for the job lol , so like you and i being bonafide masters of improvise , lol , we carefully use whatever we need to get the job done . i personally in the mastery of less lethal modding have yet to use or install the zram valve extension tube because i strictly try to keep the launchers easy to carry and use only 12 gram co2 , so power is limited as also volume of contents ! . many years ago i made extensions for various air powered weapons but were maybe half that length of the zrams . i really think the length used are really great when paired with HPA !!! but again , i would keep this for a home defense carbine or bullpup or rifle , for open carry , maybe get out your ol tap and dye ,get you some aluminum or steel pipe in the proper size and hand make you a 1/4 to maybe 1/2 inch extension ? i must confess , the umarex hdr.50 was never one of my most favorite umarex LTL launchers , i prefer modding the HDP>50 and the HDR>68 , these two can be run full open with no co2 restriction ! ... i still today after over 2 years have never really devote myself to see why the hdr.50 farts out all co2 after the first shot !!! did you ever figure it out ????? LOL i figured out decades ago there is just so much power you can develop from co2 or air powered weapons , i think the secret lies in special ammo and exhaust restrictions and forced and shaped concentrations !!! i have a ton of drawings and designs and notes on LTL modifications still hidden from the greedy self centered public , looks like so many of my ideas came to light from me commenting on different people's youtube channels things like special ammo using sabots to take up space using smaller caliber projectiles, cododo ? and few others , extended mag cylinders ,mercury rise ? , extended valve tubes ,zram ? , how about the going from 8 gram co2 to using 12 gram co2 by just adding a special hollowed out bolt or "compensator " sound familiar, byrna ? LOL i feel i have contributed to the LTL world enough only to have other greedy people and companies profit over my creative ideas , its time i get a little credit and money ALSO !!! I often imagined some employee of a company that works for particular companies that searches all the less lethal channels and groups for ideas and innovations only to bring to their superiors and create and manufacture new ideas and start profiting over them guaranteeing the employee a raise and possibly a promotion LOL lmao !!! what the companies really need is some people like us that solve problems and make new parts that enhance and work better , yata,yata,yata, not the spineless retards who reads other peoples post in hopes to steal new concepts and ideas from just reading thousands of other peoples comments !!! them days are gone from me , i no longer give them the opportunity to do this !!! hey companies , why dont you hire people like us ,a few of us , instead of relying on people that search comments for ideas , in the long run , it will be a hell of a lot better , money well spent !!!! i do have a lot of improvements , ammo ideas , power modifications in thoughts and notes ,but seeing whats going on the last few years , its only a matter of time that our government steps in to change all that , you know USA is about the only country left that didnt impose all these stupid restriction like all the other countries have done , isnt the limit for Canada 12 foot pounds ? LESS LETHAL should be kept more to less lethal , anything over 50 joules is too much i feel , when we turn our air powered weapons into producing real firearm pressures , in reality they become firearms themselves right ? food for thought , can you imagine , you , i , jeff , dan , dk , rune and possibly a few more in our own lab and warehouse , the things we could do would revolutionize this industry !!! GREAT SHOW MY BROTHER , YOU TRULY NEVER DISAPPOINT !!!
Brother ew, brother ew, whats that? Talk to text. 😂 i always enjoy reading your comments. Only so much co2 and how we manage it determines shot velocity and count. Consistency is just a by product we can only hope for.
@@lesslethalfordummies you know i have yet to use my microphone to talk to text . i must confess , i was never fast at typing . my long outdrawn comments usually take me a while to do , imagine how i am in person discussing things lol !
SEAN , my next tear down i presume will be on the mercury rise tr-50 . it was one of the things i wrote umarex to do with an extended cylinder a few years back , also ,i asked them to make a hdp in .68 cal , imagine that !!! ... my question , since internals look relatively the same , i wonder if the umarex hdr.50 power pins and tuning barrels would fit the mercury rise tr.50 ? this and the salt supply S2 are getting my interest up !!! ....
Nice,nice was that an 11joule to start with? I'm getting better results without that tuning barrel extension as well. I think certain projectiles drag a bit but I'm not sure exactly yet. Smooth Zram install My boi! 🤟😎👍💥
@@SebsWorld i have some updated parts in the mail so i am hoping to get the bullpup out in the backyard. It’s ultra quiet, neighbour friendly. Appreciate the support! 👍🏼
Hi Sean quick question I have a hdp 50 that shoots and doesn't fart with restrictor,but I had another one that no restrictor and didn't fart do you know why ??
Normally the farting with no restrictor is only attributed to the Hdr and not the Hdp. There are some rare instances and i cant speak for newer models but the Hdp50 shouldn’t fart double deleted even with co2.
@@lesslethalfordummies said not the LE but I'd still say the same.. it ain't got that CO2 knob still packs a punch.. I'm just curious how it is concealing.. I'm 6'2 but 200-210 so I'm still skinny as hell so hopefully it won't look like I'm excited
Note: Valve block also removed for testing.
Z-Ram Z-Extension does not include an indicator cap. You must reuse your own.
great engineering, I have a question, I bought a Elite Force H8R (Gen. 2), it's HDR only for 6mm, and I have a Tornade, HDR in 4.5mm, would this valve work for this guns too? I have a Arminius cal. 6mm flobert, joule 20-25, but if i could use this valve in the 6mm or in the 4.5mm, then i had a "deadly" gun! I bought RSW4mmZ20, they have 4.5mm, not 4mm, I could chance the barrel from the Torrnado and turn a steel mag to fit this cartridge! but your valve don't fit in the Elite Force H8R, the 6mm version, I would pay for it, and in Swiss the valve is legal, you can even buy the HDR50 with tuning valve installed, but you lose warranty
@@Ezekiel903that is not something i would be able to answer without taking one apart myself. There is a good chance they are interchangeable in my opinion but they also might be identical, only the barrel and drum may be different.
@@lesslethalfordummies yes saw now a video about Elite HBR see on Reapers Airsoft, it's in German.
Great test Sean. Finally you put on the Z-ram housing. Very nice numbers 😃💥👍
Right! I only had forever. Thanks Rune.
Wow thats great power 25j with a short barrel is 🔥. Interesting test Sean great video.
I was a little surprised too. Now for some more magic 😉
very cool video and perfectly explained. You did a better job of making the hole in the case than I did 👌
🤣 My crazy head would not let me do anything but a perfect hole.
@@lesslethalfordummies Only the crazy ones achieve perfect results 😅
I see some ppl put a couple of those extensions together into one piece. Nice test Sean !
It’s the only one i got but i could put a rear adapter into it with a plug for kicks.
@@lesslethalfordummies I was thinking the same with the adapter and plug and it would increase the air chamber way more than the ZRAM . Or just a an adapter and on/off with it closed? I can’t find anything to use as a plug lol
@@averydaylife3340an asa would make a perfect plug 👍🏼. I remote line adapter with a 1/8 npt plug makes a great plug as well.
Sweet. Going to give it a go . Thanks for the info!
even in wood , especially harder woods , i have seen a drill bit catch and almost snap the wrist of people not paying a 100% attention lmao lol !!!
the trick ? , just like you an experienced driller executes , slow !!! , go very slow !!! lol
because there is a hole to begin with , especially with temperamental plastics , i would use rotary rasp or deburring bits , i love these , makes for some really smooth and precise holes .
they come in all shapes in sizes , i particular prefer the ones shaped like step drills , and the carbide ones usually used for metal as the cutting surfaces are more like rasps or files , the ones for wood are more pronounced !!!
but sadly , we have all experienced times where we just cant find the right tool for the job lol , so like you and i being bonafide masters of improvise , lol , we carefully use whatever we need to get the job done .
i personally in the mastery of less lethal modding have yet to use or install the zram valve extension tube because i strictly try to keep the launchers easy to carry and use only 12 gram co2 , so power is limited as also volume of contents ! .
many years ago i made extensions for various air powered weapons but were maybe half that length of the zrams .
i really think the length used are really great when paired with HPA !!! but again , i would keep this for a home defense carbine or bullpup or rifle , for open carry , maybe get out your ol tap and dye ,get you some aluminum or steel pipe in the proper size and hand make you a 1/4 to maybe 1/2 inch extension ?
i must confess , the umarex hdr.50 was never one of my most favorite umarex LTL launchers , i prefer modding the HDP>50 and the HDR>68 , these two can be run full open with no co2 restriction ! ... i still today after over 2 years have never really devote myself to see why the hdr.50 farts out all co2 after the first shot !!!
did you ever figure it out ????? LOL
i figured out decades ago there is just so much power you can develop from co2 or air powered weapons , i think the secret lies in special ammo and exhaust restrictions and forced and shaped concentrations !!!
i have a ton of drawings and designs and notes on LTL modifications still hidden from the greedy self centered public , looks like so many of my ideas came to light from me commenting on different people's youtube channels things like special ammo using sabots to take up space using smaller caliber projectiles, cododo ? and few others , extended mag cylinders ,mercury rise ? , extended valve tubes ,zram ? , how about the going from 8 gram co2 to using 12 gram co2 by just adding a special hollowed out bolt or "compensator " sound familiar, byrna ? LOL
i feel i have contributed to the LTL world enough only to have other greedy people and companies profit over my creative ideas , its time i get a little credit and money ALSO !!!
I often imagined some employee of a company that works for particular companies that searches all the less lethal channels and groups for ideas and innovations only to bring to their superiors and create and manufacture new ideas and start profiting over them guaranteeing the employee a raise and possibly a promotion LOL lmao !!!
what the companies really need is some people like us that solve problems and make new parts that enhance and work better , yata,yata,yata, not the spineless retards who reads other peoples post in hopes to steal new concepts and ideas from just reading thousands of other peoples comments !!!
them days are gone from me , i no longer give them the opportunity to do this !!!
hey companies , why dont you hire people like us ,a few of us , instead of relying on people that search comments for ideas , in the long run , it will be a hell of a lot better , money well spent !!!!
i do have a lot of improvements , ammo ideas , power modifications in thoughts and notes ,but seeing whats going on the last few years , its only a matter of time that our government steps in to change all that , you know USA is about the only country left that didnt impose all these stupid restriction like all the other countries have done , isnt the limit for Canada 12 foot pounds ?
LESS LETHAL should be kept more to less lethal , anything over 50 joules is too much i feel , when we turn our air powered weapons into producing real firearm pressures , in reality they become firearms themselves right ?
food for thought , can you imagine , you , i , jeff , dan , dk , rune and possibly a few more in our own lab and warehouse , the things we could do would revolutionize this industry !!!
GREAT SHOW MY BROTHER , YOU TRULY NEVER DISAPPOINT !!!
Brother ew, brother ew, whats that? Talk to text. 😂 i always enjoy reading your comments. Only so much co2 and how we manage it determines shot velocity and count. Consistency is just a by product we can only hope for.
@@lesslethalfordummies you know i have yet to use my microphone to talk to text . i must confess , i was never fast at typing . my long outdrawn comments usually take me a while to do , imagine how i am in person discussing things lol !
SEAN , my next tear down i presume will be on the mercury rise tr-50 . it was one of the things i wrote umarex to do with an extended cylinder a few years back , also ,i asked them to make a hdp in .68 cal , imagine that !!! ... my question , since internals look relatively the same , i wonder if the umarex hdr.50 power pins and tuning barrels would fit the mercury rise tr.50 ?
this and the salt supply S2 are getting my interest up !!! ....
Mercury rise is one i have yet to try. There is always room for improvement. Trick is finding it.
Awesome handgun mod, awesome job
😂 too bad i didnt hit the record button for the first part.
Nice testing there, brother💥💥💥
Thanks Mr LLC.
Those were great results. Nice test!!!
Not too shabby 😃
@@lesslethalfordummies No! Not at all
Nice power 👍🏻🇨🇾
I just end up ordering Zram and a magazine already got tunning barrel so let's see if this mod works as well
Keep us posted!
Nice,nice was that an 11joule to start with? I'm getting better results without that tuning barrel extension as well. I think certain projectiles drag a bit but I'm not sure exactly yet. Smooth Zram install My boi! 🤟😎👍💥
It did start as an 11j valve. Extensions in the HDR seem to cause excessive blow back which is wasted energy.
If I was you I would move those drill batteries away from the window away from direct sunlight. Battery's and sunlight don't like eachother to mutch
Thanks most of them are dead and gone.
If you didn't drill out the ammo carryer, mag, how did you get 12.7mm to fit...
The drums after a several uses become easier and easier to use 12.7mm.
@@lesslethalfordummies interesting, after getting 12.7 I could not for the love of god get them to fit, 12,5 although fitted perfectly
@@lesslethalfordummies you earnt me subscription, I like the bullput launcher you displayed a while ago
@@SebsWorld i have some updated parts in the mail so i am hoping to get the bullpup out in the backyard. It’s ultra quiet, neighbour friendly.
Appreciate the support! 👍🏼
is that ZRam ZExtension give more velocity how much more fps additional from the original stock fps and where did you get it
A factory double deleted gets about 18j of energy.
Hi Sean quick question I have a hdp 50 that shoots and doesn't fart with restrictor,but I had another one that no restrictor and didn't fart do you know why ??
Normally the farting with no restrictor is only attributed to the Hdr and not the Hdp. There are some rare instances and i cant speak for newer models but the Hdp50 shouldn’t fart double deleted even with co2.
OK thanks Sean love your videos man 😊
Great vid. Would this fit with tr4e carbine kit installed?
The Z-Ram extension is quite compact so if it did not fit i am sure it could easily be remedied. Unfortunately i do not have a body kit to test with.
Nice Job , I'm being lazy same principle for the 68 ? Hey Bro is that beard getting Grayer LOL🤔
Yep same process for the 68. 😆 I am slowly turning into a wizard.
Whats your top 5 conceal edc pick... I got the byrna LE coming in and I can say it might get lonely and need someone to talk to
How about top 3 that i own. Byrna LE, Salt S2, Umarex Hdp50.
They multiply like rats 😆 It will have friends soon enough.
@@lesslethalfordummies ok out pick 1 and why that's not the byrna cause I have an LE coming in soon
@@choule90Well I guess it’s the LE because it rolls with me everyday. Pull to puncture is key for my particular situation.
@@lesslethalfordummies said not the LE but I'd still say the same.. it ain't got that CO2 knob still packs a punch.. I'm just curious how it is concealing.. I'm 6'2 but 200-210 so I'm still skinny as hell so hopefully it won't look like I'm excited
I am skinny too…..belly band holster when i must.
So the extension in the rear allows for more CO2 to be stored before pulling the trigger, and thus increasing projectile speed? Is that how it works?
That is correct. More gas volume.
@@lesslethalfordummies
Thank you👍👍