Monster Hunter: Gore Magala The Not-So-Elder Dragon
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- In a recent post by Capcom on their Monster Hunter Twitter page, they posted that Gore Magala was finally acknowledged as an Elder Dragon... Then they back pedaled on it cuz lore. Today we look into why Gore Magala is in a unique Limbo of the Not So Elder Dragon "???" Category!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:47 Gore Magala an Elder?
01:38 The "???" Category
02:10 How Chaotic Gore is formed
02:57 Xeno/Safi Comparison
03:57 Conclusion
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I usually just call it an Elder-in-Training
Lol, an elder intern
Elder-Apprentice 😂
Elder-Alalay
“Are you an Elder Dragon?”
*Yes, but actually no*
Yeah basically 😂
Fun fact about chaotic gore, Like when rajang is yellow and red fisted. When chaotic gore magala has it's purple horn frenzy mode it becomes immune to all traps similarly to an elder dragon.
Incidentally, of the three notable species of elder dragon that undergo metamorphosis (the Magalas, the Jiivas, and Oltura), Oltura is the only one who is referred by the same name as both a juvenile and an adult.
It's easy enough to call Gore an elder dragon. It's Shagaru's biological progeny. Unlike Xeno/Oltura, it doesn't have sheer size or decades worth of bioenergy reserves to supplement its inexperience. It's a case of appreciable nuance to Monster Hunter, a dragon who doesn't know to avoid traps, in an inversion to certain non-elders, like Ahtal-Ka, who can't be trapped.
Size wouldn't really affect trapping a monster. Trapping Elders whilst not in the traditional sense of using a Pitfall or Shock trap can still be done with the use of other game elements like the Binders and environmental traps in the case of Safi'jiiva. It's good to see though that Capcom did go for Ahtal-Ka being immune to pretty much any kind of trapping device despite being a Neopteron.
Biologically it's an elder dragon. There's quite literally no way for it not to be in the Phylogenetic Order of Elder Dragon.
In-game it's just that you can capture it. You can't capture something ingame that is an Elder Dragon. So it's a ??? In-game instead. An exception like a capturable elder would confuse new players.
They also can't make a new category since well, you can't say a lynx isn't a cat just because it has a short tail.
To be fair, the fact you can't "capture" elders is a little silly anyway. They just walk over the traps like their not there. They could make them still capable of falling to traps, but anable to be sleep bombed. It would make so much more sense.
@@AristasTheMonsterHunter Trapping a monster is simply stopping them from moving which is something we can do with Elder Dragons. Using a Binder Ballista in MHW for example stops their movement entirely and works exactly like a trap. The difference is that you can't use conventional traps for them.
@@AristasTheMonsterHunter Think of Elder Dragons as Old and wise that they are able to see and avoid the traps unlike Gore Magala which is a youngling version of it's Elder dragon one, it can be caught by a trap.
Ballista binders works on them, think of it as a Spear gun, you cannot avoid that is something aimed at you and propelled at high speeds unless you have winds protecting you just like Amatsu, but Amatsu also has a timeframe that you're be able to use the binder, one when he's charging an attack.
In conclusion, I just believe that the Elder Dragons are able to avoid the conventional traps since they're old and wise.
He's not an elder dragon, he's a younger dragon.
Youth Dragon
the term ELDER dragon does not refer to its age but its power level and it not being able to be explained ecologically
Maybe something like larvae stage that changes more radically as compared a juvenile that molds to get bigger like safi/xeno.
The tier of elder dragon also comes into play indeed when comparing the 2.
As for a more easier explanation, Safi'Jiva is just a real big boi, our traps are too small for it. Plus he kinda fell off a cliff canonically so there wasn't much to catch anyway.
In a very very VERY technical sense, you could actually trap Elder Dragons using Binder ballistas and in the case of Safi, it's can be trapped by the loose molted skin on the Secluded Valley. The difference is that you can't capture them. Capturing and trapping are very different because a captured monster can be taken back for research and also ends the quest instantly whereas trapping a monster is merely immobilizing them. So that's where the major differences occur from both a lore and gameplay standpoint
One must also consider that Xeno'jiva is also a baby dangerous first class monster. Which puts it in an odd weirdness.
It’s basically an elder in all but name
If it's a Elder Dragon how the hell are we managed to capture it then-
its a baby and hasn't built immunity to it and hasn't had the time to train its body
unlike other monster classifications, elder dragons are not grouped together due to being evolutionary related, but because they share certain traits: they are powerful enough to cause drastic changes in an enviroment, they can't fit in any other classification, and some aspect of their biology is not currently understood. gore only trully fits within the middle one, unlike shagaru that fits all three, so gore isn't considered one even though it's adult form is
I guess to give an example, is as if you tried to classify tadpoles as terrestrial creatures just because frogs are. tadpoles don't have the traits of a terrestrial creature yet, and gore doesn't have the traits of an elder dragon yet
They are actually grouped together. The Elder Dragon tree I showed in this video is actually just one big tree for all Elder Dragons and they're all directly grouped under a common "Elder Dragon" Ancestor.
Yeah, it's strange they claim its an elder dragon then say its not, kind of like when they say deviljho eats his own tail, yet there's no game evidence to back that up. Maybe they should have called the category the six lim wyverian class since there's a couple of wyverian and elder dragons with six lims like gogmazios and Gaismagorm.
The most they could do is make it a suborder of Elder Dragons. Like the Origin Dragons and Mountain Dragons (Fatalis/Miralis and Zorah/Lao respectively)
The reason they cannot put it in any Wyvern category is because it's taxonomy (so its the ancestor it originated from) is not in the same category as the Wyverns. All Wyvern type monsters (including Fanged Wyverns) are in the Saurischia evolution tree whereas Elder Dragons have their own tree which Gore Magala belongs in.
As for having six limbs it wouldn't really make sense since generic Elders like Teostra and Kushala will still count towards having six limbs as wings are limbs as well. I understood where you were going at but it wouldn't really make sense from an evolution tree standpoint
@@ChronoPinoyX oh okay, I get it. What I meant like they used their wings as hands were other elder dragons use their wings only for flying. I guess that is what I meant.
It's like saying that a caterpillar is not a butterfly.
Well, it's a juvenile, so you could say it's a non-Elder Elder Dragon, or just a Dragon. Wich should make it at least a Wyvern, since it seems like Elder Dragons are still Wyverns taxonomically speaking. Just a bizzare group with 6 limbs that becomes way more overpowered with age.
They actually aren't surprisingly enough. Elders have a completely separate Taxonomy to the Wyverns in the series. All Wyvern category creatures are classed within the Saurischia tree descending from some unknown Origin Wyvern (believed to be the Wyvern Rex hence why Tigrex is said to look prehistoric). Elder Dragons on the other hand descend from an Ancestral Dragon. The Origin Dragon which Fatalis and Dire Miralis hail from are said to be the closest known descendant to resemble the Ancestral Elder Dragon hence why Fatalis has one of the more generic design within the series
They wouldn't be a Wyvern in the case of the Monster Hunter series. As CervantesMaxi said, Wyverns are completely separated in their evolution tree to Elder Dragons. The tree diagram I showed on this video is purely for Elder Dragons and nothing else
If they really wanted to make a proper identifier, they could've easily given it a new in-game label as a *Juvenile Elder Dragon* or *Young Elder Dragon* instead. As it currently stands, their labeling is just plain stupid and confusing, as it doesn't give good and accurate info to players about why Gore Magala isn't an Elder Dragon even though it's clearly a species of one.
It's like saying that the caterpillar of a monarch butterfly isn't a butterfly. Sure, it's obviously very biologically different from its imago stage, but it's still a goddamn butterfly species and doesn't stop being a butterfly just because it's in a younger biological life stage of what we traditionally associate as butterflies.
It's like saying that bullfrog tadpole isn't a frog just because it has yet to reach the biological adult stage of its life. It's still a goddamn bullfrog, just a young one.
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Hey, what's the end card music?
he's an elder all right, if you had blonde hair when you are born and it changes to brown, you are a brunette, if your adult form is an Elder Dragon then so are you. he can get caught in traps BECAUSE he a bebe and he isn't experienced enough
So ??? signifies monsters that possess the key characteristics of elder dragons except they are capturable?
To some extent yes depending on which monsters we look at. The two known monsters in the series that are "???" category are Gore/Chaotic Gore in mainline and Estrellian in Online. Estrellian is said to be a relative of an unknown Elder Dragon and similar to Gore, it can be captured.
Is a baby amatsu, teostra, kushala, or the like an elder?
In a sense yes, but if they're about as strong as Gore and Estrellian, then their closest categorization would be the "???" category
Then... What of Chaotic Gore Magala?
Stuck in limbo dragon
It's a elder level monster that evolves into a true elder. Boom done, it's that easy.
So if an Elder Level evolves its an Elder Dragon? That must mean Furious Rajang is an Elder Dragon, so is Scorned Magnamalo, Silver Rathalos, Gold Rathian,Flaming Espinas, Violet Mizutsune etc.
If it was that easy, all Elder Level monsters that have evolved should be Elder Dragons by now...