I've tried to make tavern-style pizza before, but it didn't turn out that great. But you pointed out some differences in the way you make it, so I'm going to try again next week. But first, I'm going to visit Kim's Uncle in Westmont and try their pizza, after watching your most recent video.
Been using CFP's recipe for the last year. Moved to Franklin, TN last year from Chi to meh food and horrible pizza. Resorted to making my own. The pizza steel was the game changer!! Had to "import" Tony's (in Edison Park) Hot Giardinera and cases of Old Style. #squarelife
Dude! Tavern style pizza is my jam. I miss it most along with Chicago style dogs and Italian beef. Moved to rural central WI 22 years ago and there's only a couple places that come close to a passable tavern pizza. Both of those places were started by former Chicagoans.
Rolling is ABSOLUTELY fine and good. Proof is in the fact that many other doughs are rolled and are light, flaky, airy, etc. A few include: pita, biscuits, croissants, and pie dough.
Maybe use the Stone next time instead of the steel. The bottom looked to blackish. Looks Delicious though. I will try the Cured method next time. I usually make Neapolitan pizzas often. I like my Cornichone.
You took thin crust Pizza to a Whole new level. New Haven? Where's New Haven? David Portnoy would be proud of this tavern classic crunch. Give that man a beer! Thanks for the vid.
I keep trying to make a thin crunchy crust as it's my husband's idea of a perfect pizza crust. Can I substitute semolina flour for cornmeal? Are the two interchangeable? Thanks!
I can't answer the question outside the realm of theory, but I'm one to recommend experimentation. Try it! However, I will say, cornmeal is a pretty important piece of the puzzle. Cornmeal part of the signature taste and feel of Tavern style.
Dude, that bottom was burnt beyond recognition but hey, kudos for trying. Pizza steels tend to hammer the underside hard so lighten up the sausage size and to melt the cheese you can fire the top burner (broiler) for 30 seconds to get the top done to your liking without turning the underside to carbon. Instead of coarse Semolina, use the 2X ground (RImacinata) Semola. Most people don't care for the sand on the underside... Cheers!
Come on cornmeal in the crust? If you do your research you'll see it's mixture of corn oil, butter and olive oil and AP flour only time cornmeal should touch the dough is on the pizza peel! But i still love you check on the Ricobene's breaded steak sandwich? It has the same red sauce like italian beef from my youth..
Is there a specific reason as to why you don't just add the yeast, salt and sugar to the water first, then the dry ingredients and just pulse it all together? I don't work with food processors so it's a pretty new concept to me, I've only ever worked on doughs by hand.
I have never once in my entire life ordered a chicago thin crust pizza and it be completely charred. Slight hints of char maybe here or there but not full char.
The can of tomatoes that you said was San Marzano is actually San Merica. And they put a chemical in the tomato to firm it up and make it last longer in the can. Huge effect on the quality of the flavor. Make sure you read the label before you promote something. Just saying. Great video.
OMG this recipe is EPIC! I grew up in the NW Chicago burbs, and this is definitely spot on for super thin crust tavern style pizza! I mostly grew up on Lou Malnati’s, but I also love me some crispy thin crust too. This recipe DEFINITELY hit the spot! Made 2 pies this evening (Friday) after setting up the dough and making the sauce on Monday afternoon, got 2 more dough balls left for dinner tomorrow. So much for my diet this month! 🤣
No offense to you, sir. And I liked how your pizza turned, but many of my customers would call that burned. However I will try this recipe with my friends and family to get honest feedback before releasing this to the public…appreciate you.
I think 550 was too high too. 425 is probably perfect for the crust, but I would have pre cooked the sausage first before putting it on pizza. Probably wouldn't have let that crust fridge over night. Yeast need time to rise, and this pizza is flat
@@kassenzprecooking the sausage is unnecessary and contrary to what they do in the pizza places. This way they remain insanely juicy and the flavourful fat is rendered out onto the pizza. Sausage pieces that small will cook to temp easily in 10 mins.
Something Milwaukee and Chicago have in common! A love for cracker crust 'za! I hear St. Louis likes it, too, but they put Provel on theirs??? Eww! What do ya expect from Cardinal fans? Anyways...next time you drive up nort', eh, to see the Brewers crush da Cubbies, stop at Balistreri's or Zaffiro's for a Milwaukee CSMO (pronounced "chizmo"). I'm not even sure if they put any leavening in their crust at all...great stuff, tho!
Except Wisconsin versions are not close........wells bros... Soggy mess................. I have tried over 20 places in and around Milwaukee when I worked there and your best was like rosatis which is mediocre at best in Illinois
You americans are crazy :D leoparding is okay, but this is burned actually. The Steel was too hot. Ofc its super crispy and probably tasty, but this is a health risk lol. The fish sauce in tomato sauce sounds super interesting though... gonna try that next time
San Marzonos tomatoes are always whole plum tomatoes in a can. Also your under was a little to black. And usually the sausage is cooked ahead of time to make sure it's completely done. The recipe is good though and will try for the pizza crust.
I don't like that we're calling it "tavern" pizza. It should just be called Chicago pizza since this is what we mostly eat. ======== Tip: use pizza sauce to keep the bulk sausage from sticking to your fingers. ======== Your girlfriend is correct. Those sausage wads are way too big.
I'm born and raised on the south side of the city by the lake. I'm deeply proud of where I'm from. Chicago tavern style/thin style is ultimately an incredibly poor substitute for a true NY style pizza. Our best pizza (because it's unique) is in fact the deep dish (although let's be honest, it's more of a casserole) I love how much juice is being put into trying to make our thin crust legit. Truly, I do. That said, NY style is in fact the win. It's not close. Keep on keepin on my brother!
Tavern Style and NY Stayle are vastly different to me, and I love both. NY Style crust relies on a good gluten formation and is much closer to a neopolitan type of crust. The outer crust should be present in a NY pizza and have a good chew to go with it, along with a thin and crispy base for the toppings. This style should simply be more like a cracker (rather than crispy) throughout and really shouldn't even have an outer crust.
My Italian Grandmother made her pizza almost the same. Not quite as crispy and thin crusted but far and away real pizza instead of the foldable crap they call Pizza in New York,
11:02 here is where you messed up. You should have had 2 or 3 different takes when you take the pizza out. The one take you have shows the crust is burnt. Just from the top view of the crust. then there is the half second glimpse of the totally burnt bottom. Nice try dude. Make another video and do better
wow.........one of the most overly complicated recipes for something that is supposed to be simple I've ever encountered.......and on top of it the end result was a charcoal briquette.
I've never tried it with olive oil, and the fat is a very important component to this crust. I do mine by cutting in butter to the flour like biscuits, and the results are incredible. Anyone who has tried both, let me know your thoughts...or, I'll just try the olive oil method next time.
Yoyo. If you made this pizza and have pics come post them in the Discord! I want to see... - discord.gg/aFQ4h4BXg4
Lived my entire life in Chi burbs, moved to SoCal about 6 months ago. Found your channel recently and your videos are the only time I miss home.
Happy to virtually deliver a little piece of Chi to Cal. Thanks for watching man.
This is the most legendary collaboration of all time. 2 Chicago legends.
I consider myself more a folktale, but ty.
You a real one for this one Adam, true chicago content my bro
Love from the West Loop ✊🤟
Thanks for sharing some of the secrets! Can’t wait to get started on the recipe testing
Thanks!
My pleasure duder. Thank YOU for supporting my work.
i just drooled on my keyboard. that pizza looks incredible........
thank you for making the best version of my childhood fave pizza. tavern style for life.
I'm honored that you feel that way mate! Yw.
I made this tonight. It was absolutely delicious. I definitely need to get a baking steel to make it even better
11:34 thats just burnt, who are we kidding
For real
I love this pizza with cubed pepperoni vs slices. Im also more used to a tomato paste heavy sauce.
Always makes me happy to see you rubbing elbows with the Sasto
Very informative! Thank you. Cheers
Great job! Thank you very much for sharing!
I've tried to make tavern-style pizza before, but it didn't turn out that great. But you pointed out some differences in the way you make it, so I'm going to try again next week. But first, I'm going to visit Kim's Uncle in Westmont and try their pizza, after watching your most recent video.
That sound when you slice it… agghhh so hungry now
Been using CFP's recipe for the last year. Moved to Franklin, TN last year from Chi to meh food and horrible pizza. Resorted to making my own. The pizza steel was the game changer!! Had to "import" Tony's (in Edison Park) Hot Giardinera and cases of Old Style.
#squarelife
Square Life baby. You're a real one. Love the dedication. The pizza steel was an amazing upgrade on my end, too.
in the same boat...in wilco too, pizza game is weak
No wonder the pizza was crispy the bottom was like a peace of coal 😅
Some black spots are ok but this looks completely burned
Dude! Tavern style pizza is my jam. I miss it most along with Chicago style dogs and Italian beef. Moved to rural central WI 22 years ago and there's only a couple places that come close to a passable tavern pizza. Both of those places were started by former Chicagoans.
Bravo Adam!!!
Rolling is ABSOLUTELY fine and good. Proof is in the fact that many other doughs are rolled and are light, flaky, airy, etc. A few include: pita, biscuits, croissants, and pie dough.
Maybe use the Stone next time instead of the steel. The bottom looked to blackish. Looks Delicious though. I will try the Cured method next time. I usually make Neapolitan pizzas often. I like my Cornichone.
So true.
Was that Top Chef final three season 15 contestant Joe Sasto getting a pizza?
Lol, yezzir.
I can't imagine Vitos and Nicks jumping through all these hoops to make dough.
You took thin crust Pizza to a Whole new level. New Haven? Where's New Haven? David Portnoy would be proud of this tavern classic crunch. Give that man a beer! Thanks for the vid.
I am so excited to taste this dough! Have a batch on the counter waiting to dock and cure! 😝🤓🤤
I keep trying to make a thin crunchy crust as it's my husband's idea of a perfect pizza crust. Can I substitute semolina flour for cornmeal? Are the two interchangeable? Thanks!
I can't answer the question outside the realm of theory, but I'm one to recommend experimentation. Try it! However, I will say, cornmeal is a pretty important piece of the puzzle. Cornmeal part of the signature taste and feel of Tavern style.
@@AdamWitt Thank you so much! I really enjoy your channel.
Yes, you can. I'm taking a Baking Fundamentals class at COD and we use semolina to transfer our bread doughs into the ovens.
been in chicago my whole live, never seen cracker crust pizza till recent years
How long in advance of baking should your dough come out of the fridge for the recipe?
Yeah, that lil very dark, shall,I say burnt...., I know spotting is good, but, no spotting is just plain burnt.....
dude! delicious!!
Thanks mate! You should make it.
Dude, that bottom was burnt beyond recognition but hey, kudos for trying. Pizza steels tend to hammer the underside hard so lighten up the sausage size and to melt the cheese you can fire the top burner (broiler) for 30 seconds to get the top done to your liking without turning the underside to carbon. Instead of coarse Semolina, use the 2X ground (RImacinata) Semola. Most people don't care for the sand on the underside... Cheers!
Reminds me of the black chunks I use for grilling! What do you call it again? Oh yes! Coal briquettes! Didn't even know you could eat them! 😂
Oh ya you over cooked it!
Good shit as always Adam!
Thanks Bill!
Big fan chef. ❣️
Gracias!
This style of pizza is popular elsewhere in Illinois. sausage has to be in big chunks like that.
Wooooow Fella thats burnt..!
@Adam Witt dude... this better be good if I'm about to go through all this trouble
Come on cornmeal in the crust? If you do your research you'll see it's mixture of corn oil, butter and olive oil and AP flour only time cornmeal should touch the dough is on the pizza peel! But i still love you check on the Ricobene's breaded steak sandwich? It has the same red sauce like italian beef from my youth..
Actually I'm changing my message it's corn oil only for the cracker crust i had lou Malnati's crust in my head 😅
I dream of this
Im baked off za watching you make za 🤣🤣 im going to order Italian fiesta now🤣
Did not expect to see Joe Sasto lol sick
He's a good bloke.
He was great on top chef!!
How to mix by hand?
Killing it.
Thanks mate.
I would send that pizza back it is. Burnt 😅
The accent is throwing me for a loop! Chicago meets Australian? or Bostonian
did you burn it
You want a large heat sink. Large mass of metal is what you want and cast iron is better than cookie sheets as cheaper alternative.
Is there a specific reason as to why you don't just add the yeast, salt and sugar to the water first, then the dry ingredients and just pulse it all together? I don't work with food processors so it's a pretty new concept to me, I've only ever worked on doughs by hand.
Sure thing. It's Instant Yeast as opposed to Active Dry meaning that it can be worked into the dough without being "bloomed" in warm water.
I have never once in my entire life ordered a chicago thin crust pizza and it be completely charred. Slight hints of char maybe here or there but not full char.
anyone know where I can get the copycat recipe for Pizza Hut crust?
cool! this is a flammekueche!
Not sure what that means but I'll take it!
@@AdamWitt it's very similar to alsatian pizza, the flammekueche!
I need a docker 🥲
Can this dough be frozen after is rolled out?
No flop all the way 😍
Your pizza looks better than most thin crust I’ve tried..
The can of tomatoes that you said was San Marzano is actually San Merica. And they put a chemical in the tomato to firm it up and make it last longer in the can. Huge effect on the quality of the flavor. Make sure you read the label before you promote something. Just saying. Great video.
Friends: we know you can’t cook so don’t recommend it
Me: have you tried my pizza tho?
OMG this recipe is EPIC! I grew up in the NW Chicago burbs, and this is definitely spot on for super thin crust tavern style pizza! I mostly grew up on Lou Malnati’s, but I also love me some crispy thin crust too. This recipe DEFINITELY hit the spot! Made 2 pies this evening (Friday) after setting up the dough and making the sauce on Monday afternoon, got 2 more dough balls left for dinner tomorrow. So much for my diet this month! 🤣
burnt. looks like pizza i make when i pass out drunk
The bottom of that pozza may have been crispy but it was also burned not browned....you burned it
No offense to you, sir. And I liked how your pizza turned, but many of my customers would call that burned. However I will try this recipe with my friends and family to get honest feedback before releasing this to the public…appreciate you.
I think 550 was too high too. 425 is probably perfect for the crust, but I would have pre cooked the sausage first before putting it on pizza.
Probably wouldn't have let that crust fridge over night. Yeast need time to rise, and this pizza is flat
Yep burnt
@@kassenz The whole point of this pizza is to be ultra thin (flat). It was definitely burnt though.
@@kassenzprecooking the sausage is unnecessary and contrary to what they do in the pizza places. This way they remain insanely juicy and the flavourful fat is rendered out onto the pizza. Sausage pieces that small will cook to temp easily in 10 mins.
Tavern style? Whats that mean?
Something Milwaukee and Chicago have in common! A love for cracker crust 'za! I hear St. Louis likes it, too, but they put Provel on theirs??? Eww! What do ya expect from Cardinal fans? Anyways...next time you drive up nort', eh, to see the Brewers crush da Cubbies, stop at Balistreri's or Zaffiro's for a Milwaukee CSMO (pronounced "chizmo"). I'm not even sure if they put any leavening in their crust at all...great stuff, tho!
Hahah, I just read that entire thing in a 'Sconie voice. That was amazing. Thanks for the recs.
@@AdamWitt Keep it up! I'm a new fan since I saw your collab with Stephen Cusato making Italian Beef. Great stuff.
@@Jackalope235 Amazing dude! Stephen is the man. Welcome.
Except Wisconsin versions are not close........wells bros... Soggy mess................. I have tried over 20 places in and around Milwaukee when I worked there and your best was like rosatis which is mediocre at best in Illinois
Little overdone on the crust. 7 min x 7 min is more my speed. Otherwise, fantastic looking pie. 10 outta 10, would eat.
That pizza stone looks like the bowl of a truck stop toilet.
Reminds me of the black chunks I use for grilling! What do you call it again? Oh yes! coal briquettes! Didn't even know you could eat them!🤣🤣
It is kind of incredible I didn't know a pizza could look this shitty.
You americans are crazy :D leoparding is okay, but this is burned actually. The Steel was too hot. Ofc its super crispy and probably tasty, but this is a health risk lol. The fish sauce in tomato sauce sounds super interesting though... gonna try that next time
San Marzonos tomatoes are always whole plum tomatoes in a can. Also your under was a little to black. And usually the sausage is cooked ahead of time to make sure it's completely done. The recipe is good though and will try for the pizza crust.
Shit!!......It burned!!
it was burnt bro but if it dont taste burnt you good
I don't like that we're calling it "tavern" pizza. It should just be called Chicago pizza since this is what we mostly eat.
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Tip: use pizza sauce to keep the bulk sausage from sticking to your fingers.
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Your girlfriend is correct. Those sausage wads are way too big.
@Adam Witt and I just burnt the shit out of my hand
If you really from Chgo, we don’t call anything tavern style 🤷🏼♂️
I'm born and raised on the south side of the city by the lake.
I'm deeply proud of where I'm from.
Chicago tavern style/thin style is ultimately an incredibly poor substitute for a true NY style pizza.
Our best pizza (because it's unique) is in fact the deep dish (although let's be honest, it's more of a casserole)
I love how much juice is being put into trying to make our thin crust legit. Truly, I do.
That said, NY style is in fact the win. It's not close.
Keep on keepin on my brother!
Tavern Style and NY Stayle are vastly different to me, and I love both. NY Style crust relies on a good gluten formation and is much closer to a neopolitan type of crust. The outer crust should be present in a NY pizza and have a good chew to go with it, along with a thin and crispy base for the toppings. This style should simply be more like a cracker (rather than crispy) throughout and really shouldn't even have an outer crust.
Have you tried Paulee gees in wicker park? Best ny slice in Chicago
If you can fold a pizza, its a sandwich not a pizza
Perfectly charred like we like it! Giardinara ftw!
That crust is burnt
My Italian Grandmother made her pizza almost the same. Not quite as crispy and thin crusted but far and away real pizza instead of the foldable crap they call Pizza in New York,
That boy burned
Burnt pizza
St. Louis Style Pizza.
Burnt pizza no thank u
who cares for u thin cut chicago is the best
@@Sammy-34079ok peanut head. And doesn’t matter what you consider “the best”. Burnt pizza is burnt pizza
11:02 here is where you messed up. You should have had 2 or 3 different takes when you take the pizza out. The one take you have shows the crust is burnt. Just from the top view of the crust. then there is the half second glimpse of the totally burnt bottom. Nice try dude. Make another video and do better
That's burnt as hell what are you on about lol
That looks like Shit!
sorry, but that's burnt
wow.........one of the most overly complicated recipes for something that is supposed to be simple I've ever encountered.......and on top of it the end result was a charcoal briquette.
You took them a bit too far. Burnt them a bit.
I've never tried it with olive oil, and the fat is a very important component to this crust. I do mine by cutting in butter to the flour like biscuits, and the results are incredible. Anyone who has tried both, let me know your thoughts...or, I'll just try the olive oil method next time.