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Why Veils? The Symbolism of Head Covering
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2016
- A controversial discipline in the Church today. Where does this teaching come from & why? Is it important for today? For more please visit www.traditional... & remember to say 3 Hail Marys for the priest
I LOVE my veil. It is not only a way to be modest before the Lord, the peripheral is blocked allowing me a sense of more privacy with God.
My brother is the worldliest of the worldly. Please pray for his conversion
Offering him up to St Joseph
It was a calling for me. I remember distinctly when it happened. I could not approach the altar one day and suddenly took my scarf to cover my head in order to receive. I'll never forget it. It's been 6 years now. I can't even enter into the sanctuary if I don't cover my head.
As a non Cathoiic, this brought tears to my eyes. What a beautiful message.
Praying for you
Come to the one true Faith. Come
The Holy Spirit led me to that discipline about a year ago and I’m not ashamed to wear my veil during holy mass🙏🙇🏻♀️📿✝️
My thoughts exactly I’m 58 and a cradle Catholic that never veiled. Just an abrupt calling. The Holy Spirit indeed
Holy Ghost
Just think what outrage it would be if men would wear head to the Eucharist?
when I go to church I cover my hair and ppl look at me like I'm crazy. but they wear provocative clothes. we are losing respect for God and religion. I also noticed we stand when we pray now no more kneeling. I'm very sad that ppl don't understand how important it is to fully submit themselves to the Lord and show the respect for the Eucharist. Sikhs show more respect in their Gurdwara than some Catholics do in the church.
Issy Is just stop
Valeria, you are on point. I go to a church where, at Sunday Mass, Women of all ages come to mass looking as though they were poured into their jeans etc. People come in shorts and flip flops etc. Anyone, not necessarily religious at all, should see that as wrong.
Find a Traditional Latin Mass and everyone wears the veil.
Carol Stefan the men don't
If the men did, or wore a ball cap for example they would be disrespecting God, his head must be UNcovered.
Beautiful. Bring the veils back please God!
I'm bringing this back!!!
I'm considering on veiling
@@MagicalGirlRose319try it. A woman is the living icon of the Church, the Bride of Christ. You will set a good example for other ladies in church.
I'm wanting to veil as well.
I get that. I started veiling when I was 19 - 20 years old and never regretted it. I used to get weird looks from parishioners when I veil in church. But I don't care about their opinion. Veiling has helped me a lot with my depression and anxiety. It has helped me to become stronger than before. There was a time when I went for confession, a priest was very rude and asked me to remove my veil. I felt so uncomfortable.Churches that offer TLM are very rare in my country. Even if there is one, it's far away from my hometown. If there is any church that offers TLM nearby, I would definitely go there.
I wish I had an EF Mass. I would go every day!!! (Btw, I go to a NO Mass most of the time and still veil.) It's my way of showing my love and reverence for my God
The Eucharist is present at every mass. The message of our lady is to stay loyal to our holy church, not to fight each other. Pray for the Holy Church and each other in these dark times.
@@lj5033 until they remove the words of consecration
Me too.
I’m going back to the veil! I bought lots of lace and I’m making some for me and my Mom! I finally woke up to the irreverence of people in the church.
Wearing the veil isn't something you are made to do. It's because you've come to understand the Catholic faith better and YOU WANT to wear the veil. You are lovingly showing great reverence for our Lord in your modesty.
I'm not Catholic ( in RCIA), i currently attend Mass wearing a hat, but feel drawn to veil. However i noticed today that i was about the only woman who did cover my head
@@taraelizabethdensley9475I wear a veil in spring, summer and early fall. Late fall I wear a hat unless it's really windy. Then I'll wear a veil because I can tie it under my chin.
I head cover. The Lord asked me to do it when I come before him. I am not married. NO man is making me do this. The Bible also says Because of the angels. If they would teach the truth of fallen angels people would understand why we head cover.
Hmm. Can u explain?
I agree with the comments below, in the state of the world we need to bring back more humility, we need to bring back reverence and respect for holy places. Head covering is in many faiths. Wearing the veil you do feel different, more reverent. It is a beautiful practice and needs to come back. Brings a type of beautiful and elegance and a specialness to your prayer and practice.
Thank you, Father, for standing for the truth and God. We need more Priests with courage. I started wearing my veil for devotion and love to our God. Also after reading 1 Corinthians 11:5 "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head-it is the same as having her head shaved".
thats not true, if you read the Whole chapter verse 1 to 16 you can perfectly see how in verses 1-10 Saint Paul is explaing how the veil was used as a submision to men as the Head of the women, verses 1- 10 and thats why he said in verse 4-5 as you quote "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head" because he was explaining the tradition that was use before Jesus coming but then in verse 11 he explais that after jesus we are equal in front of God, and our veil is our hair, and just as it is dishonorable for a man to pray with his head covered, it is the same for a woman, since God gave us the hair. 1CORINTHIANS 11: 11 -16:
"Nevertheless, IN THE LORD woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.13 JUDGE FOR YOURSELVES: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 BUT THAT IF A WOMAN HAS LONG HAIR, IT IS HER GLORY? FOR LONG HAIR IS GIVEN TO HER AS A COVERING. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice-nor do the churches of God.
arent we rejecting the equally gift that Jesus give us acording to Galatians 3: 26 -28?
26"So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Bring it back !!!
I'm considering of wearing a chapel veil. I started with wearing only dresses and skirts with blouses that reach my forearms to Church.
thank you on your talk on the veil. know it's in Bible but afraid to put a veil. I be by myself. I'm going to putting a veil on or scarf. thank you
Don't be afraid to honor God! Ask Him for courage
I hâve worn a scarve three times now, first time someone new saw me and immediately wore hers. Second time a lady wore a bright red one and made a point, though I never saw her wear one before, encouraged, I feel it just needs one to make 'em think.
I am the only one veiling at NO in my parish, after 2-3 times you stop being self concious.
That's true, thanks for encouragement. I have ordered a beautiful but subtle veil. Will wear on Monday as a scarf, and see.
I am not a catholic and I've been to both forms of the mass.I don't care for the novus ordo.What I mean is I don't like how things are being conducted .Lay people distributing the wafer like people are at a picnic .The tridentine mass like the one my mother use to tell me about has more respect.
Why are you not Catholic? Your mother would be happy if you are at the Tridentine mass every week..
John P well that's a good question.I am not too sure about pope Francis.I'm not sure I want to be underneath his leadership.He seems to be too liberal.
Don't worry or even think about Bergoglio. Church men are not the Church and a blasphemer like Bergoglio could never wash me out of the one true faith nor any freemason in the Vatican. They'll be dust and God's Church will remain.
John P I guess I see ypur point because their have been bad popes in the past but the catholic church survived them.
The traditional Latin mass has been in it's current form since even before the Council of Trent which is why the devils attacked it so hard and tried to eliminate it, then they infiltrated the Church with a bunch of freemasons and kid fiddlers, these were such a small percentage of clergy and yet they spoil the name of the reputation of the Church. No matter, these devils have been in and around the Church since day one when Judas sold out our Lord for 30 pieces of silver. They'll never sink the Church, it will be here when Gabriel blows his horn.
I go to a FSSP mass and you will never, and I mean never find anyone chit chatting in that chapel. Sometimes I will go to a close by Church for confession only, this Church has no Latin Mass. Anyway, after my confession Ii'm saying some prayers and the older folk come in and start talking out loud to their friends. WHO told them it was okay to chit chat inside the Church? I'm completely confused that they never learned this.
i proudly wear it
I come from a family that moved to the states in the 80s. My Nana to this day still covers her hair everyday no matter where she goes because that is what our women do. Western Christian society has lost ALL of its outward grace and the women are compulsively nude. This is not something my eastern derived family is at all comfortable with unless reaching complete apostacy or abandonment of family traditions. My Nana quietly asked me one day a few years ago to cover my hair. I took that as a command from my elder and now cover my hair everyday. I am always prepared for mass since I am wearing modest dress while covering and it has enhanced my life in many ways. Veiled women hesitate to succumb to sin, veiled women are most beautiful and most virginal, veiled women is our 2000 year matrimony in ALL cultures worldwide. Muslim women and far eastern Christian women are the only ones still veiled in our society ,except for the deceiving and heretical protestant splinter groups. The relation to Christ, Our Lord and King, veiled in pane angelis is far too theological and nonpractical for women veiling but shows the desperate attempt that Mother Church is making to explain modesty to our modern pagan catholics and their wayward private religion.
Your Nana was a very wise lady.
The Bible says to cover. 1 Corinthians chapter 11.
The Bible never changes
@Gilbert the veil isn't a salvation thing.... the veil is respect for God and the people around you
Receive the Eucharist only from the hands of a priest and on one's tongue. Women, cover your heads.
Philip Accaria AMEN!
I've always done this since my First Holy Communion when I was 10 the parish community I grew up in Puerto Rico believed I was ready to receive at the age of 10 years old
I think people miss the biggest change in 1 Corinthians 11 is that men were asked to uncover their heads when praying. Traditionally Jewish men prayed with their heads covered. If men are being asked to be as Christ then women are being as His Bride or as the church.
I spent much of my evangelicalism trying to make heads or tails of 1 Cor. 11. I read many views and commentaries. I even covered nearly full time for 3 months like a mennonite. There was always a verse that tripped me up: because of the angels. What do angels have to do with my being a woman, roles in marriage and society, and whether or not I put something on my head? Then, I came across the traditional Catholic explanation of this passage and everything fell into place. It all finally, and simply made sense. Because protestant services are not the Mass as Heaven on earth, it removes the angels from the equation and just relies on human patriarchy and female sexuality to explain coverings. Needless to say this has exploded across Protestantism in additional protest and now, largely an ignored passage with a brush-off of "it was the culture of the day."
What is the significance of the Angels in the traditional thing you read? I have been trying to figure it out
Thank you Father for the enlightened homily..I started to have this strong desire to wear thee veil while visiting the middle east in 2000...I also had a dress made after giving my pretty dresses away...I was also blessed to be present in an appreciation of Our Blessed Mother..Just before the devestation started..Our Blessed Mother was appearing to a young poor girl 15 yrs old....Asking for prayer & penance...People often ask me why do you dress like that? And I ask why do you dress like you do?? One priest I met exclaimed to me: A penetental garb, great! I wish. more were. doing this...
I do not wear a veil but I always wear a sweater if I have on sleeveless top. Thanks for this.
I wish I was able to go to a parish where I would feel comfortable wearing a veil, and kneel without being the only one. I did it once, and people gave me some very mixed looks.
The one I go to is bare bones, with very little reverence for the Eucharist. It has been insinuated that women who veil are “backwards”, and “wanting attention”. I haven’t worn one yet, and that sort of opinion does not encourage me. It is flabbergasting that veiling is treated as vanity.
People in your i church need just one person to have conviction. They need a leader. It's very brave you did it once. I think once you've done it once it gets easier and encourages others. Would you not love someone else to lead? You can be the one to start.
Be bold like the saints!🙂
I started 2 weeks a go and I am the only one. I am there for the Lord and for no 1 else. My Lord has lay it in my hart to veil so I answer him.
Search out a Traditional Latin Mass in your area. The women will be wearing veils, all will be kneeling throughout the service, and the Eucharist is respected. It is a very different Mass, but it is worth going to it.
I told my mom that I was considering veiling and she told me how it used to be customary when she was a little girl
Sin eclipses the intellect. We’re experiencing mass insanity
mama told us girls she could remember you never go to mass or go into catholic Parish without covering your head. what happened something with persons thought it wasn't cool to cover your head in church, will I disagree for some reason, the old way to me showing respect God's house why not.
Head covering and Chapel Vail should be mandatory at True Mass. But you find indult Mass does not lay down rules on this.
The world is In turmoil. God gave us Ten Commandments...We need to obey them.
How beautiful! Thank you!! 🙏🙏🙏
I love to see women wearing veils. Honestly I think it is beautiful & in today's world it is nice to see beauty because our present culture is so lacking in beauty & tries to pretend there is no difference between men & women. IGNORING the truth that there is indeed a difference. I've got pink ones, blue ones, purple ones, gold ones, black ones & even one with little sparkles in it.
For a reason I cannot explain, the most beautiful and mysterious women you've ever seen are at the Latin Mass. Everything this Priest said about her: she is closer to God, she has unique qualities, that she is special......it all becomes visible in an instant there. Its not just the veil per se, but it does something that words fail to describe.
Yes the veil should come back in the Catholic Faith. Too much freedom and carelessness.
The traditional Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is considered extra-ordinary...and the Novus Order was the ordinary? The traditional Latin Mass is around 1800 years old but now it's extra-ordinary. Don't make sense to me.
Thomas Redman, Pope Benedict XVI referred to the novus ordo as a "banal fabrication." In that sense, the novus ordo is ordinary. Depends how you look at it, I suppose.
Thomas Redman I think the the two forms of the mass have something to do with Vatican 2.
That is exactly what I say to people
Ordinary = of no exceptional quality.
TLM is best imho.
Thomas Redman but they want extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist! Hypocrisy
Calling the real mass extraordinary and forbidding it but calling us to accept the extraordinary ministers who should be forbidden the unordained touching the Holy Eucharist
The chronological snobbery, that we are enlightened while our ancestors were in complete darkness [with regard to why we should be veiled], is the mindset of secular man. :/
Otherwise known as "progressivism", man's "peak-evolution", "new age" enlightenment and other heretical axioms. ps
I stopped watching at 8:20. The veil is a scriptural discipline and its reasoning is even partially disclosed therein.
This is what happens when you have a priestly society, FSSP, willed and allowed by the modernist Rome for the sole purpose of containing Sacred Tradition and countering the work of the FSSPX.
Padre pio was known to deal with women who didn't cover her head. I think the scripture means what it says cor ch 12. Even the traditionalist have modernized.
Did he feel that veiling should be extended outside the church?
Personally I think that will be very convenient in modern life given the fact that one can easily branch for evening mass or just a visit to the Blessed Sacrament
Beautiful
Topic starts at 7:59
I know this sermon has been posted seven years ago and I have watched it numerous times before. This latest time that I have watched this though is more meaningful. Why? Because I came across another video here in YT of a woman, who seeking an answer to her question of "How come women are not covering their heads today anymore?", sought the opinion of a "professor." It wasn't clear to me if the "professor" was a pastor or someone who studied and teached Theology. But the man's answer surprised the woman because he basically chastised the woman for questioning him and then proceeded to tell her that she isn't allowed to ask questions about the faith. I was saddened though, because the woman (a white woman) is a Muslim. My guess is she was a member of a Protestant church before converting to Islam.
Does it sound like a nice idea to continue veiling outside the church
I love the Latin mass❤️
Idealizing or requiring women to veil in Church is similar to the extremist Islamist requirement for women to wear hijab in public. To reason out it's for modesty, why are only women required to be modest? If so, men should also be modest and wear the veil in Church.
The survey in respect of the Eucharist was to technical. Most Catholics couldn't differentiate between the idea Jesus is in the bread and wine and the church teachings that after consecration there is no bread and wine even though it looks and tastes the same
For more insights on womanhood, this is a great book by Dr. Alice vonHildebrand : 'The privilege of Being a Woman'.
Paul seems pretty clear about this in 1 Corinthians 11, not sure why there is even a debate on the topic.
our natures are no different now than the 1960's or even earlier, we need the discipline of the Church it influences society to be more moral.
The Ancient Church had an Apostolic Custom or Tradition such that women veiled their head and men kept their head open during public worship (1Cor 11:16). This was based on the protocol of covering symbols of human glory while uncovering symbols of divine glory during corporate worship because of the angels. Culturally, we know that Jews and Romans worshipped with head covering for both men and women, while Greeks worshipped without head covering for both men and women. So, this was neither Jewish nor Roman, nor even Greek culture. Rather it was peculiar apostolic custom in the Church (1Cor 11:2,16) meant to conceal human glory and exhibit Divine Glory for authority and dignity before the Angels during Church’s messianic worship gatherings. It has nothing to do with submission to husbands or submission to slave masters or distinction between adults and minors or any other conjectures that are not found in the text and do not fit the context of this passage of Scripture.
God has set signs and symbols for this messianic Church order and apostolic Church LITURGICAL custom in view of presence of angelic host during corporate worship:
The man and the woman are the IMAGE of God (Gen. 1:27),
But the Man’s head symbolizes God’s GLORY (i.e. Christ 1Cor 11:3, 7),
Whereas the Woman’s head symbolizes Man’s GLORY (1Cor 11:3, 7),
The Woman’s long hair symbolizes Woman’s GLORY (1Cor 11:15).
Apostolic corporate worship protocol, because of Angels in attendance, is to cover symbols of human glory but uncover symbols of divine glory.
Correction only Adam was created in God's Image.
And St. Paul verifies that truth.
"7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head veiled, forasmuch as **he is the image** and glory of God:
but the **woman is the glory** of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man: 9 for neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man:
1 Cor 11:6-9 (ASV)
Eve was only finally created when a suitable animal could not be found as a helper for Adam.
Read and study Genesis 2.
This lack of respect starts with school children. What are they being taught? I went to a first communion last year and the kids ran all over the church and alter. They were screaming and carrying on. It starts with the family but the school has an obligation to set examples for our Catholic Children.
A nice bit of revisionism there. St. Paul also said in Corinthians that women shouldn't teach. The idea that men had to wear head coverings in ancient Judaic ceremonies but Catholics don't now because the Messiah has been revealed is also confusing as to why women still have to wear veils, the male role of fatherhood notwithstanding, he was revealed to women as well. I'm still confused about this issue but have started to wear a veil in obedience as 1. I need some obedience, I didn't really have good role models in childhood, and 2. there are things about transcendence that I will never get and will just have to trust that it's not really because women are second class humans, maybe it's just the punishment that Eve incurred on women while men have to toil to take care of us and children, something that they fail at as much as women fail at what they are supposed to do.
Who is speaking?
if you read the Whole chapter of 1 CORINTHIAN 11:1-16 you can perfectly see how in verses 1-10 Saint Paul is explaing how the veil was used as a submision to men as the Head of the women, verses 1- 10 and thats why he said in verse 4-5 "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head" because he was explaining the tradition that was use before Jesus coming but then in verse 11 he explais that after jesus we are equal in front of God, and our veil is our hair, and just as it is dishonorable for a man to pray with his head covered, it is the same for a woman, since God gave us the hair. 1CORINTHIANS 11: 11 -16:
"Nevertheless, IN THE LORD woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.13 JUDGE FOR YOURSELVES: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 BUT THAT IF A WOMAN HAS LONG HAIR, IT IS HER GLORY? FOR LONG HAIR IS GIVEN TO HER AS A COVERING. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice-nor do the churches of God.
arent we rejecting the equally gift that Jesus give us acording to Galatians 3: 26 -28?
26"So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Thanks
Very enlightening, very very good sermon, I wish every priest could do the same. What is the name of this God send preacher, how can I talk to him. Million thanks father.
Head should be Covered during Holy Mass . I hope it is not the picnic place. Right dress up at the Right place.
When we are going to God 's
Temple.
ST. PAUL: “Women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church.” 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
“If a woman will not wear a veil, she ought to cut off her hair. A man, on the other hand, ought not to cover his head, because he is the image of God and the reflection of God’s glory.” 1 Cor 11:6-8
“A woman must learn in silence and be completely submissive. I do not permit a woman to act as teacher, or in any way to have authority over a man; she must be quiet.” 1st Tim 2:11-12
OPINION :
ALL SAY :
WOMEN'S VEILS SHOW THE TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC FAITH; IT SHOWS RESPECT OF BEING IN THE CHURCH; BEFORE THE BLESSED SACRAMENT; PRESENT OVER THE RITES; AND BEFORE THE BLESSED VIRGIN ; IN PRAYING; BEFORE THE SAINTS; AND DEVOTION TO THE FAITH .
BEING CATHOLIC.
***** **** ******
14:30 Our culture believes I as a woman must be like a man in order to be as good as him.
What if my wife and daughters just keep their tuques on? I'm in Canada and winters are long. Is this still ok?
Yes, as long as head is covered (for women). I come from Bavaria, very cold in the winter; we always wore knit caps. togues or warm kerchieves tied. On Sundays and Feastdays when the weather was warmer again we wore/wear hats instead, especially the traditional ones. As long as the head is covered. We never wear veils because it is not in our tradition, that is more Mediterranean, not Germanic. I always wear longer skirts, cover my arms and my head.
@@weissblau thank you
Veils starts at 5:45.
butterflybeatles Thank you!
Only a man would say that the veil is a symbol. Wearing a veil affords you protection - just like wearing clothes. It is not merely a symbol.
Hi, Reading many of these comments it's interesting to see how we can develop beliefs that don't have much to do with our doctrine. Covering a woman's head in the bible = head covering. It does not specify veil. At least during the 1920s thru 1950s, women wore hats or kerchiefs to Mass. If passing by a church and wanting to enter, a woman would use a handkerchief (or even a tissue) kept in place by a bobby pin. Wearing a veil began to be popular sometime during the 1960s and has become a fad. There are very nice business for making veils. Hats are still okay! Kerchiefs are also okay! But, both aren't in style. Just saying that we need to be careful that we don't make a fetish over some current issue and forget what our faith really means.
Following our faith is no fetish. The head must be covered. Hair hidden…
I disagree that these are the cause of the falling away from core truth of the faith. People struggled w/ this teaching from the get-go, when Jesus spoke this truth, directly. We have a powerful early Eucharistic miracle due to a Priesr struggling w/ the true presence.
Don't forget that women's hair is extremely attractive and beautiful. That's one of the reasons women wear veils in the church. To cover their incredible attractiveness out of respect and love for the clergy who are human and have to struggle with the virtue of being chaste. Seeing attractive women can lead the mind to lustful places.
Father, God bless you but i would have to say you dropped the ball on this one.
One of the main reasons our society is spiraling into hell is that the roles of men and women are being blurred. Yet every time our priest speak on this subject, they focus on the short comings in regard to men in this area and too often try to explain away what it means for a women to be submissive to her husband.
I am sorry Father but it is sinful for women to work. Not only are they switching the roles of the genders, they are also committing scandal. Also many of them are taking positions that are giving them dominion over men. Also because of the fact that women have gone into the workforce, it has caused the cost of living to at least double. So a standard of living now is pretty much requiring both parents to work. This is also wrong because it puts those who chose to live traditionally with the father working and the mother rearing the family at a disability. Women who work are abandoning their vocation to rear there family and often leaving daycares, schools, on anyone else that is not the parent of the child with the responsibility to raise their kids.
I am sorry Father but you really could have address what a woman's true place is. Yes, it is a sin for a woman to work. Yes, it is a sin for a woman to dress as men. So that means no T-shirt and jeans. Until we begin to reinforce roles instituted by God, thing will continue to get worst and our families will not have God's blessing.
I like the tone of your post, and although I want to be a stay at home wife and mother, if for some reason my husband can't work I wouldn't want it to be a sin for me to go to work to generate a proper income to support the family if need be.
Well said, and it is abominable to see women's hair shaven and cut short like men's. At that point the veil is an afterthought, might as well not even wear it.
Pants are even worse. If a woman wears a miniskirt it may be poisonous to look at but it doesn't attack and disfigure the intellect as it is still at least feminine if nothing else.
Work is not the penance of woman, a woman is not for work, not the way men see and enter work in the world - to subdue the land. A woman's penance is submission, obedience, lowliness and suffering of the heart, denying her the desires for honours, recognition, deeds, power, praise, travels, "fun", denying her tongue and her vanities.
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Your ideas are too extreme
Luke 23:34
Father, forgive them. They know not what they do.
This is me forgiving you with love, not violence. ❤️
“The pope has given us permss to use the extraordinary for…(mumble mumble) to continue with these disciplines” … moving on… nothing to see here….🙄 lots of subtle contradictions in this sermon.
At 3:40 these women are not veiled or have any head-covering which is disgraceful before Almighty God.
For they have no respect for Man which is their head, before God.
"The head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoreth his head.
5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven.
6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled.
7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head veiled, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man."
1 Cor 11:3-7 (ASV)
Even worse a woman is speaking [and usurping the authority of men forbidden in 1 Timothy 2:11] in the church assembly which is forbidden by the Lord's commandment.
1 Corinthians 14:33-38.
STOP touching the Eucharist with your hands. STOP! BE REVERENT! Thank you!
Simple misogyny, old as the flood; you can hear it in his voice. Nobody says any roles have to be identical, it's that all roles must be identically *accessible*. Most of these points are made-up things used to control women's behavior and suppress their sexuality, period. As for gender identity... “Since the findings of reason and the supernatural knowledge of Faith go back to the same source, namely to God, there can never be a real contradiction between the certain discoveries of the profane sciences and the Word of God properly understood.” -Ludwig Ott. In this case, consider "certain discovery of the profane sciences" to be "gender dysphoria" which can be found in the DSM-V; feel free to also look at the recommended treatments. Time to evolve, folks.
It's immoral to do surgery to change your genitals regardless of what mental condition you have
You had me until the part where you brought up abortion and birth control. Feel how you want about abortion, it is a complex moral issue. But birth control pills? So many women, myself included, have incurable disorders, like PCOS or Endometriosis. These cause infertility if left untreated, but the treatment is a hormonal birth control pill that regulates the cycle. Men and women do have different roles, and one of women's most holy of them is to bear children. If a woman has the ability to spare herself and her spouse the heart ache of infertility, why on earth would that be a bad thing? It truly is disappointing that these things had to be brought up in a discussion that has nearly no connection but being about females.
Learn what the church actually teaches and you will understand
@@seabee1827 I do know what it teaches. That's why I said what I said.
Little known fact about birth control (because the medical field does not WANT us to know)… it can CAUSE infertility, especially in long term use.
Sad…
Why do single women or girls wear white veils but married women wear black veils?
YOU CAN WERE IT ANY COLOR AS LONG AS YOU WEAR IT.
Glenn Lego My Priest informed me that single women wear white head coverings., married women and widows wear black head coverings.
White is a symbol of virginity, purity.
White also is color for peace. Not just virginity or purity. My head covering color is cream lighter than brown or dirty white, Not 100% white.
Glenn Lego There are no rules regarding colors.That is someone’s fantasy.
Veils and head coverings are for the jewish faith
As things stand now heaven seems to be populated by Christian men and non-Christian women.
5 minute homily, 15 minutes of equivocation.
Kneeling and not in hands only on tongue are based upon philosophical nonsense if one actually takes a closer look at the clams made.
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Ugh, stop with the Orwellian "Extraordinary Form".
Jason, you paint the EF as as Orwellian or "communist, repressive, etc" but that's a terrible miss-characterization. Sad to say but I'm realizing more each day that the main stream Western Church is showing scary parallels with Huxley's Brave New World. Just the idea of "Sacrifice" alone was almost fully buried in the 70's. Most homilies today are sunshine and rainbows... comes as you area, no genuine call to repentance...Gather 'round the Table... Be your own judge, and look around, by and large the youth is gone after HS. The Youth that is left is hungry for Truth... They are finding it in the Tradition and I'm just one of many examples.
It's the terminology, "Extraordinary Form", I'm lamenting. I am in no way a fan of the Novus Ordo service...bad fruits.
Yes this Extraordinary Form SHOULD be the ordinary AND usual form!
Let’s join to the peaceful walk around your estate Capital every day at 1:00 PM until our votes get fairly counted
Veil is used in all pagan religions with no biblical support.
I suggest you read 1 Corinthians 11:1-17:
Whiplash27 My beloved, after the Apostle Paul gave them an earful, this was his closing argument.
1 Corinthians 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: *_for her hair is given her for a covering._* 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, *_we have no such custom, neither the churches of God._*
Do you know why he said that?
It was a heathen custom in the pagan temples, women used to wear those coverings, go and study please. This custom was picked up by Roman Catholicism, Islam, Amish, and now the so called "black hebrew".
You're completely misinterpreting and picking and choosing what you want to suggest. The whole passage talks about the fact that women must cover their head (and men not - as men covering was the pagan custom). At the end Paul is talking about people like you. That if people wish to argue in spite of all of the reasons that he had just talked about, then let them know that nowhere in the worldwide Christian Church is a woman praying with her head uncovered a custom. This is also confirmed in writings of the early Church. People (including the Corinthians to whom he was writing) for more than more than 1900 years interpreted Paul's words in this way and suddenly people think they know better.
Whiplash27 The text explains itself my friend. Take it or leave it.
Didn't you hear what St. Paul said?
We have a better understanding of the Trinity today. we understand the trinity better than the apostles and the church fathers men filled with the holy spirit. God have mercy on us