I Think E Bikes Are A Problem (Comment Reaction)
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- Опубліковано 22 бер 2024
- Here is a reaction to some of the comments from my 'I Think E-Bikes Are A Problem' Video. Thanks to the 3600+ people who watched and the 200+ people who commented. Not too bad for a small channel. I think I cover many of the points from the comment section. Be sure to watch until the end because the final comment reaction might be a splash in the face for some of you.
All the best!
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Bicycle manufacturers have the same problem car manufacturers have had of late. They cannot sell what they have made because they all thought $100,000 pick up trucks were the new normal. Car shows are as dismal as bike shows because brands have taken their customers for granted. They have stockpiles of irrelevant vehicles priced for dentists. Manufacturers cannot even afford to promote these dead-ducks it would seem, since they do not show up at popular events. In my opinion, obnoxious ebikers do not last long. I only ever see them once on my daily commute. Ebiking for the right reasons is really great.
my story is i cannot walk very well or very far since i hit 70 and my car was a liability for me so i made a transition to biking. After a year I've survived the learning curve. I now have 4 bikes. I find joy riding each of them and each has it's own style. Being respectful of others safety and enjoyment is contagious I think, so i brake or even stop a lot and around pedestrians i cruise 10 -15 kph. The one i ride most is a pedelec that assists up to 30 kph which is fast enough for me. I like to do 30-40 k a day. Keep the shiny side up.
Bikes are transportation and ebikes are increasing the amount of people choosing bikes over cars. I think the biggest problem with cycling in north America is the idea that it is just exercise equipment. Now we live in a hellscape dominated by cars. I welcome ebikes to the scene so we have more people choosing bikes over cars. The cycling industry crisis is only focusing on racing.
The cycling industry crisis is only focusing on racing. Agreed.
I live in Calgary and despite millions spent on bike paths and infrastructure, the number of people cycling to work isn't growing by leaps and bounds. It's hard to convince people to ride when it's nice out, try getting them to do it when the mercury drops below 0C. Try getting them to do it when it's -36C, like we had for a week stretch this winter. I ride in the winter, but I don't even like it when it gets real cold. People will say, but they do it in the Netherlands, hundreds of thousands ride bikes to get around. To that I say... so what! If someone offered to give them a nice warm ride, would they still ride a bike?
@@CyclingOnAShoestring what are you even arguing for? Less cycling infrastructure? Nothing you say makes any sense.
Sounds like an E Bike show, my little community has 2 bike shops and an E Bike shop and happy to report I'm still riding at the age of 63. I think without my bikes my legs and knees would seize up, one for shopping with bags and basket and one light weight for touring around....happy biking everyone.
I do hope your channel returns to its mission statement of Cycling on a Shoestring Budget. That is what drew me to subscribe. I haven't made my way through all the videos yet but I hope to see gear reviews again and ride reports of areas I may travel to. Cycling is fun no matter what kind of riding anyone chooses to do.
too many views spewing garbage. part 3 is sure to come.
My big problems with e-bikes are the following:
- Proprietary components that will become obsolete relatively quickly. An example is a frame designed for a particular mid drive motor
- Batteries built into the frame that are difficult to replace
- Overpowered and too heavy - anything more than 350 watts is unnecessary except for cargo e-bikes - if the bike is so heavy it needs 1000 watts it’s uses are limited, particularly for younger and older people and definitively when the battery dies 10km from home. I find 250 watts way too much as you don’t need to put any power in pot the pedals and set my bike to its lowest power setting which I think is about 50-80 watts
Batteries need replacement after 1-2 years of regular use - very expensive
Easy solution, DIY.
My ebike is 3 years old, used it every day for my commute and the battery is doing just fine. Batteries do wear out, but not nearly as fast as that, and they can be refurbished for a very reasonable price. It's all just 18650 cells (or 21700 cells sometimes) inside.
@@Sakkura1 Ive had mixed experiences. One battery just lasted a year but I wasn’t practicing proper battery care.
Ive ridden my whole life and I ride both. Im 68 and its mountain country here. In my city you can get by without a car and Ebikes are perfect for a commuter . On the fitness point, I would say I build more muscle on the heavy Ebike and when I go on my road bike I feel it in my cardio. Of course on the Ebike I pedal alot compared to some that wanna just sit. Ebike is like pedaling an exercise bike if you treat it that way.
??????? walking is better for health, do not fool yourself
Last year I added an Ebike to my 7 bicycle stable. Been a serious cyclist for 56 years, raced professionally. I bought one for cargo around town, a conventional cargo bicycle costs $5000.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't pay for stupidity. I was using a bicycle for cargo duty, but there isn't a single rack on the market heavy duty enough for cargo, the racks were breaking and the bike could not support the weight either with massive frame flex, impossible to climb out of saddle. So here comes the Lectric Bike Company making an Ebike with a built-in rack with a 150 pound capacity for just $1000. I bought it. The other problem is hauling heavy cargo in town and not being able to warm up my knees; at 66 years old, I need a minimum of a 30 minute warm up today, so I was afraid for my health. This Ebike was the perfect solution. And after over a year with it, it is doing the job. (I don't own a car, ...so ride, hike or paddle to all my destinations).
Now Ebikes are on my bicycle trails, how a motorcycle is allowed I have no idea. 95% of Ebike riders are beginners to cycling, no experience, no skills, no common sense, no wisdom. I see them passing little children on the bike trail going 30K and leaving the child only 24 inches of room. These Ebikers, motorcyclists, will murder a child soon, children can't take that heavy hit and survive. After that there will be insurance, special license, training, proof of training, license plates, and hopefully banned from bike trails. Motorcycles don't belong on the trails, these Ebikers will illegally change their systems to 50K speeds, and then begin murdering adults. I was passed while quietly bicycling down the trail one day at 50K by a total beginner riding an illegal Ebike, I could not hear her coming up from behind, she gave no warning, and pass just inches away on our narrow trails. Ebikes are motorcycles, the Ebike can weight over 120 pounds and the fat rider on them 300 pounds, going faster than they have skills for, passing inches from others.
I was watching a UA-cam Ebike channel and the channel owner did just that, on his video, passed an old man walking on a trail (sidewalk) at 35K giving him no warning and only 20 inches of room. If this man simply stopped and turned around, the space for him to do this would have collided with the Ebike. I was horrified and wrote to this UA-camr of his crime. Told him I would use his own video to convict him. I was horrified and angry for now we have the same moron motorheads I contend with on the road, now on my bike trails!!!! No sanctuary anymore. The mountain bike trails are full of unleashed vicious dogs, and so are the hiking trails, I am not allowed any form of protection in California. The stupid and careless are everywhere now.
The perfect solution for couples are tandem bicycles. You need to agree on a cadence, but you get crazy aero gains.
Thought I'd point out with regards to legislation that it's already happening here. I was out XC skiing at Mt. Shark in Kananaskis last week, and noticed a sign saying No E-bikes allowed on the trails, but a second sign next to it saying Class 1, pedal assisted 20mph e-bikes are permitted. This is the way it ought to be on all paths and trails IMO. Anything with a throttle belongs on the road.
I live in a big city with decent but not great bike infrastructure. I’m forced to ride with cars, meaning if I’m going as fast as I possibly can on a manual bike I’m still tailed by aggressive drivers. E-biking helps me go the speed of traffic safely and saves me from becoming sweaty after a relatively short commute. As a result I no longer own a car and don’t miss it-you’re telling me that’s not a more energy efficient way to go? Anything that gets people out of cars and riding is great in my view. Don’t shame the younger people on e-bikes for being lazy or not getting exercise-they aren’t in cars which are infinitely lazier and more deadly!
I'm becoming a huge fan of e-bikes. Chatting to e-bike riders, it's more and more people using them instead of a car. An e-bike is vastly superior to any other form of transportation in terms of carbon emissions (even standard bikes!) and every kilometer that e-bikes replace car use is amazing for all of us. My wife and I are going to replace one of our cars with an e-bike cargo bike. I ride my non-e-bike over 10,000km a year, so I'm not a "casual" cyclist by any means.
I ride both and my city has great bike infrastructure. Quickest way to get around is Ebike because of the traffic.
Wake up, the times are a changing. E-bikes are here to stay...
Yes, there are idiots on e-bikes, but there are plenty of idiots on traditional bikes. At this time bike shops are struggling. Bike shops need what ever source of income to stay in business. E-bikes generate sales and service. E-bikes may be the savior to help to keep your local bike shop in business.
Thanks for the comment. The bike manufacturers have let the bike shops down. E-bikes won't save them. The bike manufacturers might not survive. All the best.
If you owned a bike store, would you offer the sale and service of e-bikes?@@CyclingOnAShoestring
I might add, cheap Chinese e-bikes are everywhere and sitting like a ticking time bomb plugged into a charger at someone's front door.
Everything we buy now is literally from China. Ebikes are also good for elderly that might not go biking otherwise. I like to go on a long rides and sometimes I go too far and the ride back can be dangerous for some older people. The ebike can assist you back to your original starting point.
Buy a Bosch e-bike that is UL approved, therefore you'll own a e-bike that is not a fire hazard.
If you wish to point out time bombs, let's make a list;
-Let's get rid of alcohol because of the drunk drivers.
-Let's get rid of cars because they are dangerous.
-Let's get rid of X-mas trees that tend to start fires in living rooms.
-Let's band room heaters because of the possible fire hazards.
-Let's band smoking and junk foods, because they are a health hazard.
-Let's band social media because of the bullying that results in suicides.
-You're from Canada, I say make Canadians safer by getting rid of Hockey!!!@@CyclingOnAShoestring
I completely agree with your point of view. I've been quite shocked and saddened at how quickly mtb ebikes have been taken up by young riders. I was naive thinking they would just be a hit with ageing baby-boomers with dodgy knees still wanting to hit the trails. There is pressure from friends as well. My husband (a baby boomer) has an Enduro ebike because he needs one to ride with his friend who has one. They keep telling me I need one. I don't know how everyone affords the cost of upkeep either. New batteries and new motors. My husband and friend have both replaced motors in the past 6 months (and they are high end bikes) They are also heavy beasts to drag down a mountain trail when they break down. I've had to rescue my husband several times. I walked into a Giant dealer recently to look for a new bike and they immediately presumed I wanted an ebike. I told them I wasn't old enough.😄They didn't have the bike I wanted to look at - only ebikes. I ended up going online to buy a new Enduro 'acoustic' bike. I'm 66. I agree with you on the environmental aspects regarding producing batteries and power. Also with the limited lifespan on ebike motors and batteries its looking more cost effective to toss them and buy a new bike. Now that is not environmentally friendly! P.S. - Love the t-shirt!
I have an old steel road bike. I commute about 14 miles on it. It is good for me. I like it. What I don't like is grocery shopping. For those tasks I drive my Corolla. A cargo e-bike could displace my 2,600 lb. vehicle for those tasks, and is for me, inevitable. E-bikes are inevitable. I see elderly people out riding them. Where they displace massive cars and trucks they are 100% positive. I don't buy, for one second, the argument that e-bikes are dragging down fitness levels.
I agree! My dad is 76 and has been an avid cyclist his whole life. 10,000k annually for decades on a traditional bike. Then, knee replacement, can't do hills, go as far etc. Four years ago I suggested try a pedal assist e bike. Both my parents went for a test ride and guess what? Now my dad rides 14,000km+ annually. Still riding traditional bike in winter to save the e bike. They motivate me at 51 to keep going! No excuses!
@@MorganWalbyYour dad's a Badass!
Why can't you shop on a regular bicycle, why the need for a car or a cargo bike...?
@@PRH123Whether you agree with it or not, I am confident that you don't need this explained to you.
@@theephemeralglade1935 but I do... I shop on my city bike, no problem... so I have trouble understanding the need for a car....
Regarding energy efficiency, there have been plenty of studies showing that the energy use of an e-bike is tiny compared to other forms of transport. There are even some suggestions that e-bikes are more efficient than normal bikes. In addition, using an e-bike often means NOT using a car, producing a fitter, healthier rider and less pollution. In addition, there is considerable evidence that e-bikes get used significantly more than normal bikes. However, whilst I fully agree that lithium mining is a problem, new recycling technologies are helping, and alternative, less polluting battery technologies are being developed.
I currently only own a standard bike, but am considering getting my wife an e-bike for the reasons you discuss, and can see that in a few years I may need one myself to get out and about.
Incidentally, I have been arguing (in the UK) that the 20kph max. speed/250W motor/no throttle regulations are pretty much spot-on - maybe with some exemptions for people with disabilities.
I ask the anyone reading this, If you owned a bike store, would you offer the sale and service of e-bikes? Or would you sell and service only traditional bicycles.
Why would you turn away work? Stupid question
You most likely did not see the series of threads that led to my question...
My point is that e-bikes whether or not you like them or if you have any interest in owning one, that e-bikes helps bicycle shops to earn money, possibly enough to stay in business.
On the contrary, CyclingOnAShoestring suggest that e-bikes are bad. He suggest that money earned from the sale and service of e-bikes won't help bike stores to stay in business.
...Perhaps now you can understand the logic behind my question.
@@supertouring22
I was at Toronto Bike Show a few weeks ago, it was a very similar story… the vendors were dominated by e-bike companies (I’m not against e-bikes, I have an e-assist bike myself) but aside from one large stand from a local store (Bike Depot) selling bikes, it was slim pickings. The bike show overall has declined rapidly post-covid and due to a change of venue, a lot of the major local stores/companies no longer attend.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. People are telling me e-bikes are progress, I don't. All the best.
E-bikes weren't a problem till they started making them dirt cheap and almost everyone can afford one.
That is good thing. You sound snobby.
We don't want the poor enjoying themselves
E bikes weren't a problem before idiots started operating them
I see a lot of issues with these things in the US. Here in the EU, if it has any kind of self propulsion, it's not a bicycle, and there is legislation for them, as well as being considered a vehicle requiring a type of driving license and registration. Only regular bikes and assisted ebikes are considered bicycles and allowed on their special roads.
Also a huge issue of the industry is its obsesive focus on racing and performance instead of leisure and commuting.
I can't do mtb anymore became of a hip replacement i had, but I've found joy in using a regulated assisted ebyke to get around the city and trips in nature.
I watched your last video, two e-bike commercials. Kinda crazy
Don't gate-keep. My taxes pay for those same roads you use and fund the parks that we all enjoy. We're not all every-day riders who are capable of both pedalling and enjoying the ride; it would defeat the purpose of getting on two wheels if I was killing myself just to maintain a moderate speed. With a pedal assist, I can get decent exercise and not end up hating my life every time a come to a hill. I'm still slow enough on it to enjoy the scenery, capable enough not to feel useless.
I get some of your point and agree...but it's not the ebikes that are a problem, it's the rider. They think because they can go fast, that they have every right to. I'm also a motorcycle rider, and when you're the smaller, more vulnerable vehicle, you learn to ride to match the traffic/hazards and the terrain/side streets if you want to survive for long. Chill and wait for a safe opportunity to go around the slow-pokes. It's the same when I'm on an ebike.
Speaking of gatekeeping, I recall one of my last rides on said pedal assist. It looks very much like your standard hybrid road bike. I came to an intersection/roundabout in the bike path, and there were a couple of "real" cyclists standing there in their spandex next to their road bikes chatting. They were watching me approach, and when I got close and they recognized that it was an ebike, I overheard them dismissing me and it in a most disrespectful manner. It was plain disgusting. Where do you all get this arrogance from? What gives you any right to judge me or anyone else? I'm on two-wheels, riding respectfully and enjoying the ride - I'm not going around insulting people in spandex, bent right over their handlebars, however ridiculous they look.
It's the same in the car hobby. I don't discuss cars with car people because they're all a-holes about it too. It's got 4 wheels, is fun to drive and I do all my own work -- that should be enough to let me in to the club, but nope, always have to criticize the other guy's choices. F-off, the lot of them.
So, yeah, If you're wondering why I came and watched this video, guessing it would involve gatekeeping, well, you can thank those riders standing there judging people as if they're nobility and the rest of us are dumb commoners.
I have since built an over-powered ebike, and while I still ride defensively and don't cause anyone any problems, I do enjoy it when the road/path opens up and I can blast past those guys in spandex without even touching the pedals. Good to pull up beside them, grin, and hit the accelerator. Especially satisfying when those same guys are the ones riding aggressively around the regular, slow pedal cyclists, swerving around them and grumbling about how these people are in their way.
If ya'll want people like me not to build such monstrosities, perhaps start by pulling your heads out of your rear and showing some appreciation for your fellow cyclists when we are behaving respectfully and riding safely. Ya'll don't own the roads/paths any more than the aggressive ebikers do.
"I have since built an over-powered ebike"..."I can blast past those guys in spandex without even touching the pedals."
If this is the case, you're a problem. Many of the people who have watched my video agreed no pedal e-bikes should not be allowed on pathways. They are banned in most cities, including mine. All the best and enjoy the ride.
On the road, 35kph is not that fast. On the descents around here I frequently hit 45kph on my road bike without pedalling at all.
I have both, an e-bike, which I ride for pleasure, and a road bike which I ride for pain. I enjoy both, depending on the mood I am in but, thinking about attitude from cyclists, I believe the opposite of your experience holds true in my area (rural Ireland, loads of hills, and lots of active cyclists). The e-bikers around here seem to be the more elderly folks, who are getting a new lease of life from riding e-bikes, and who have been driving for forty or fifty years, and are generally well mannered and courteous. The Lycra brigade, which is very active, also tend to be fairly civilised. However, on the rare occasions where less than salubrious attitude is displayed, it tends to be from someone on a high tech road bike who seems to feel that they have more right to the road, as they are suffering on it more than other road users, and that red stop lights don’t apply to them.
In the end it all comes down to basic good manners. No one likes a road-hog, and everyone despises a show off.
I still enjoy my analogue bike, but at age 66, I am glad that e-bikes have become mainstream. I intend to be riding long after the hills around here would have otherwise inevitably defeated me.
Class 1 bikes only. Peddle assist only. NO throttles. Too many people are getting cheap E-bikes and have no idea how to ride. I call them "Rad Holes". But, I find the "spandex riders" on my trail are the worst when it comes to speeding and not ringing a bell or voice.
22 mile commute a day for decades. The worst were the bikers who thought there was a special middle lane on that multi-use 2 lane trail and it was made just for them. No matter how little space there was they'd blast the middle. Most of us queued up to pass but not them. 8 billion people in the world and they're special.
The electricity in my eBike is MUCH cheaper than the calories I burn on my analog bike. Food production and distribution requires energy.
scientist joins the conversation:) the extra calories that most people consume that do nothing but pass thru their bodies and into the sewer system could power about 10 bicycles daily...
or you live in Buchenwald and calculate every single calorie....?
Differentiation is not that difficult: If the cycle has a motor (gas or electric) is motorized. If there is no motor, it is a bicycle. A bicycle is permitted on a bike trail. A motorized cycle is prohibited. The reason for the rider choosing one over the other does not alter that distinction.
I don't think e-bikes are a problem, but I do think they exacerbate the policy failures of the last century of not integrating bicycles into our transportation network. Now we have another mode of transportation that has no defined place, but with the increased accessibility that the hybrid vehicle provides over overly-specialized sport focused bikes. Meaning more people on bikes are at risk of injury and death by cars, and yet another vehicle traveling too fast(along with sport cyclists) on trails and sidewalks.
Couldn't agree more about batteries. I just moved from Scotland to California and the amount of ultra liberals on their high horse talking about how awful we are for driving gas is hard to live with. They are oblivious how harmful the mining for lithium and cobalt is and also the amount of electricity a car consumes is huge. The media is terribly biased.
I got an e-bike with a 500W motor & 600WH battery. So in CA at $0.24/KWH that's like pennies in electricity to go 20-30 miles per charge.
My Trek doesn't cost me anything. I'll go for a 100 mile ride while you're sitting around waiting for your e-bike to charge... 3 OR 4 TIMES! @@stevecumming6427
In regards to electricity usage I was talking more about cars@@stevecumming6427
Oh my. "ultra liberals". Whatever you do don't ever give up your soundbites. If you did then you'd have to find an original thought and that's obviously something you're not equipped to do.
Are you referring to me? Listen pal, I am no ultra liberal. As for having an original thought... you thought mine were good enough to click on the video. All the best. Vote conservative. @@RR-rk5gj
in belgium we have deaths on a regular base with e bikes and speedpedecs (plus 50k and our)
I think this might be a bit of an Alberta thing as the Toronto bike show had a majority of bikes but it is dependant on bigger bike shops participating in it as for the avg shop shows don't make sense.
regardless of the definition of "bicycles", many people like E bikes alot and its on a much more popular growth rate than any other form of 2 wheel vehicles... so get use to seeing them all over the place. that being said i do consider them motorcycles and when i see a sur ron E bike or something even bigger zoom within just inches past me at twice the speed of any cyclist on the multi use rec paths then i do wish i was not riding on the same path as they are, because its clear any collision with someone at that speed could certainly be critical....
Just take the throttle off all ebikes...and use torque sensors for speed... cadence sensors for speed is not good, you can pedal backwards and still invoke the motor...
In this country, (UK) we call bicycles with no motor 'Pushbikes', motorbikes are also bikes.
have heard that in Australia, never in the uk
Many catch fire. NOT zero emissions.
Also no rhyme or reason as to laws and safety.
Sidewalks and Crosswalks are for walking.
Have you and your wife considered riding a tandem? My husband and i are both 51 and have been riding tandem for about 10yrs. He's a much faster rider and stronger hill climber. ( We live in the rolling hills near Peterborough Ontario.) It's the great equalizer. When we travel to Florida we ride with a tandem group who are all 65+ oldest is 89. They all come from various cycling backgrounds but found the enjoyment of riding with their spouses in their later years. Pertaining to e bikes, the last 5yrs the tandem group has mostly traded in their regular tandems for e tandems. This has caused a rift in the group. Some of the regular tandem riders ARE faster than the e tandems! And they are in their 70s. Its definitely caused various issues for group rides. Mostly splitting up the group and causing hurt feelings and disagreements.
Thanks for the comment. I have thought about it, but some people call them divorce machines. You probably know why. I don't know whether my wife would be very good on one. A few years back we rented one in Victoria, and as we were going up a hill a person on the sidewalk said, "you do realize she has her feet on the frame?". All the best.
What about a tandem e bike using Bluetooth headset perfect for couples. That's just my thoughts though
reminds me of when snowboards hit the slopes, ebike haters remind me of skiiers.
A large part of the problem in relation to E-bike fires comes down to the poor quality batteries that have been dumped on the market. Millions of connections of cells that are known to have thermal run away all stuffed into every recknecks closet during winter. Charged on wallwart charges just trusting that the BMS takes care of the nasty stuff.
I was involved pretty heavy into RC aircraft during the e;electric revolution and have seen enough to know the general public when left to regulate themselves simply will not. I think E-bikes in the next 2 yrs will be killed with regulations for no other reason than they need to be.
12:22 Getting hit by a 275 pound bicycle + cyclist going 35kph is equivalent to getting hit by a F150 going 9kph. So why are people so concerned about figuring out what to do about ebikes but not cars?
17:43 Yes, they are. They are likely even more efficient than a normal bicycle, because an electric motor is just better at turning electric energy into torque again than a human fueled by food which is farmed by these "giant diesel machines". The ETH has a blog called "Understanding the carbon footprint of your daily commute: a guide to climate-friendly urban transport" demonstrating exactly that.
They should be pedal assisted speed limited to 15mph or something only. otherwise it’s a form of motorbike
Regular bicyclists seem to be incapable of following the rules of the road. E-bikers just completely ignore them all. All e bikes should be registered and insured, just like any other motor vehicle and follow the same rules as mopeds; Big engine needs a motorcycle license. Little engine, just a regular Driver's license.
in fact these bikes are motorbikes. the fatter the people, the more e bikes
The problem isn't ebikes. The problem is HATE, and people who lost the ability to mind their own business
I do mountain biking and I love it for the exercise, the speed, the jumps, the thrills, all of it. Have no intention of buying an e-bike and hope to still be doing this when I hit 70. I was mostly with you up until you somehow completely missed the point about energy efficiency.
You tried to argue that e-bikes aren't energy efficient compared to a regular bike, which is true, but completely beside the point. The point of the original comment was that they're energy efficient compared to a CAR (the original commenter even said as much) and that is also indisputable. The energy requirements to manufacture and operate an e-bike are a tiny, tiny fraction of that required for a car, and much closer to that of a standard bicycle.
As an example of the original commenter's point: I have a brother-in-law who has an e-bike that he commutes to work on every day. He's not in the greatest shape and trying to commute on a non-motorized bike in the hills around Seattle would be a complete non-starter. Having an e-bike not only allows him to get some exercise, within his capabilities, but also allows their family to get by just fine with one car instead of two. That's one less car on the road, one less car in the parking lot, one less car filling up on gas every week, and is VASTLY more resource and energy efficient than a car would be, no matter what perspective you look at it from.
At 71 had the choice of a mobility scooter after leaving the hospital or . . . an eBike at a fraction of the price. The 20 mph eBike at 73 is great & everybody comments about it everywhere I ride it.
@@stevecumming6427 Good for you Steve.
Millions of e-bikes plugged in to the grid right now drawing on the electrical grid. My Trek road bike sits there, ready for my energy to propel it forward. Somewhere in a far off country that has no environmental law an environmental disaster is occurring. Meanwhile in Africa... a child labours in a cobalt mine so comfortable westerners can virtue signal about their caring for the planet. assets.greentechmedia.com/assets/content/cache/made/assets/content/cache/remote/https_assets.greentechmedia.com/content/images/articles/Child_Mine_Labor_XL_721_420_80_s_c1.jpg
@@CyclingOnAShoestring I'm not Even going to bother arguing with you because, at this point, it seems like missing the point is a deliberate act on your part.
@MrJacobegg yup.. I enjoy everything else that he talks about. The mining situation needs to evolve, just like the industrial revolution was a dirty time for our earth.
Could argue walking is vastly superior to a producing a standard bike. No manufacturing there.
Also hope he doesn't have a cell phone or anything else with a lithium battery.
An Ebike over a car is a win.
In the US, a Class 1, 2 or 3 eBike is defined by Federal Law as not 🚫 a motor vehicle subject to state DMVs & are consumer products & bicycles. Mine has the chain ring & chain removed & the crank arm rotated 180° to match the left side. It is legal in the US & ceritified a Class 2 Ebike with a maximum 20mph speed. So leave me alone.
Don't be smug, the legislators are always looking to soak a few more dollars from consumers. Especially if you live in a Democratic state.
It's not federal law. It's a park service regulation adopted for national parks (that is very often eagerly misquoted).
The federal govt doesn't have authority to make such a definition, it's the perogative of each state or city.
The industry shows what it thinks will sell. It is following the money. Even if I could use you reasoning to justify buying another bike just to support the industry it would be made in the far east in the main , often China, with all the concern that brings.. L love my mtb and Brompton but equally value my e bike now I am in my second childhood. I can remember the ending of WW2 , The Korean war and the Berlin air lift. 71, get some in.
E-bikes makes average joes and janes able to ride a bike in public space that they would never do. The problem is that these riders show a lot in experience on road safety and courtesy of road or path usage. They seem to be on a joyride and feel they can do whatever they want. The first thing an accident happens, they jump on their e-bikes and run.
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20 miles per hour is 32 km per hour here in canada
My question to you is, what if you have a hip or knee replacement and can no longer ride you bicycle. You love to ride, but now you can’t ride your bicycle. What are you going to do, stop riding all together? Have you even ridden a e-bike before? You say e-bike are a problem. You are sending a message that e-bike is bad, but you can’t tell me one thing that a e-bike has done wrong. The e-bike itself is not the problem, like with anything else its user error. The e-bike has no brain can’t think . All a e-bike do is move, just like a car. The car doesn’t run into pedestrians by itself, someone is in control of that vehicle or has lost control because of user error. You seem to me a person that don’t like change. I think about when people started driving cars, people with horses would say the same thing you are saying now. No matter what kind of bike you ride, the fun is being responsible and not hurting anyone or yourself. I do believe education is the most important thing and people need to learn how to used a e-bike. They may know how to ride a bike and not understand the importance of the what damage they can do when misused. I think you are saying too many things as far as, you don’t dislike e-bikes you do like e-bikes. What you should be saying is, I don’t like the way some people use there e-bikes.
Did you even watch the two videos?
@@CyclingOnAShoestring yes I did. Maybe I missed something, I’ll go back a do both again.
Dude why don't you have solar panels on your house...
Hi John, I'm 60 and have been riding for as long as I can remember, with 6 bikes (MTB, Road & Fat) in the stall. I do not own an e-bike and I don't see myself getting one anytime soon. Like many, don't poopoo the technology, poopoo the operator. As I've aged, I find that I don't descend like I used to, I don't take drops like I used to, I don't corner like I used to. Reason, I don't heal like I used to but I'm still a very skilled operator and I understand the environment that I'm riding, whether it be city streets, highway, fire road, single track, wet, dry, rocky, rooty, icey, etc, I can manage quite well. A heavy e-bike in the hands of an unskilled operator is a recipe for disaster, for both the operator and anyone that may come in the way of that operator. The e-bike issue here Is really no different than a 19 year old, new driver, getting behind the wheel of a 700HP Dodge Hellcat. Car meet pole, pole meet car. The only difference, the car is engineered to handle the cornering, acceleration and braking. Some cheap component e-bikes, not so much.
The poopoo operator can't do bad things without access to the ebike.
Boy oh boy, you're not going to like electric unicycles...i believe they should be classified as class 3 ebike 25 mph max....sadly the newest model is doing 60 mph and they are not stopping at that...yes the idiots are doing 50+mph on the road...
If I buy my kid a bike, I am teaching them the rules of the road. If you want the schools to teach them, and abdicate your responsibility as a parent, you are pushing the schools further away from their intended mission, which is to educate kids. I don't think the schools should be the be all, end all for all teaching because they are failing miserably. I am not following how this has anything to do with ebikes.
17:20 energy efficient compared to the alternative of using a car or motorcycle. It's a massive decrease in energy use. You're also mistaken on "load on the grid". Public utilities are revenue decoupled. This is all proven in studies.
But people love to continue on without actually learning facts. 20 minutes on continuing heavily biased, gatekeeper false logic is disappointing.
But as you've found, hate and propaganda gets views so carry on.
Hahaha e-bikes are not bikes. The word ebike contains the word bike inside hahahshs
I have nothing against ebikes, but ebikes lowers the fitness and health benefits of biking. I rode a steel BMX when I was child. There's no way I would have gained that aerobic and muscular fitness if I was riding an ebike. This jump started my fitness for sports all through my life.
E-bikes lower the fitness and health benefits compared to riding a normal bike. But they raise the fitness and health benefits compared to driving or sitting on the couch. I'm fit and have no desire to get an e-bike, but a lot of the people who buy e-bikes would not be riding a bike otherwise. Riding an e-bike is a fitness gain for them.
@@MrJacobegg ebike manufacturers publish that kind of data, but it's dubious at best... I highly doubt that someone who is addicted to laying on the couch watching TV will suddenly adopt a wholly active lifestyle because of ebikes...
What's more likely is they get one, have a couple months fascination with it, before leaving it parked in the garage behind the lawnmower for the next ten years...
I see individual ebike riders on my commute once, twice, never again... There's other cyclists I see every day for years...
@@PRH123 Your personal intuition on the subject is cute and all, but I personally know at least 2 people who own e-bikes and ride them regularly. One of those is my BIL, who rides an e-bike to work almost every day. He's getting a lot more exercise that way than he would by driving a car, which is what he would be doing if he didn't have the e-bike.
@@MrJacobegg I think that anything that replaces a car trip is great 👍
But let’s meet here in a year and see if the Bil (what is that?) is still at it.
@@PRH123 Brother-in-law. And it's not at all relevant to the argument, but he's already been at it for long enough that I have no doubts he'll be at it in a year*, so... 🤷
* assuming he's still working at the same place
I think Lance Amstrong wannabe have a problem, Ebikes are the future get over it.
I bet he takes performance enhancing drug too
Road cyclist ride 18 to 21mph. They pass on blind curves and show ZERO concerns for anyone out on bike trails when they're trying to best their STRAVA. Adult Ebike riders have more common sense than most "roadies" FACT Fat tire bikes are scooters, my ebike has 1.95in tires and weighs 55 lbs. I use PAS level 1 for most of my rides. Ebike riders here in the states out number roadies any day, all day. Roadies can be idiots as well as kids on ebikes. Dont generalize all ebikers. I ride at 14mph and roadies pass me like im standing still. Both groups can be unsafe. When i hear the tire roar of a fat tire ebike (scooter)coming, its always a teen or a 20 y/o. In the US, ebikes rule, get use to them..
What a word salad. I would estimate your blood alcohol level at around .25 while you were writing, based on the level of self righteousness and amount of grammatical mistakes.
I think the issue is the massive chip on your shoulder. I bet it was made in china too
You mean motor bikes. Electric motors are motors period.
Ebikes are not bikes? I assume you are from the USA where you can go upto 20+ with a throttle, with motors upto 1000W. I agree with legislation in the uSA
In the UK motors are restricted to 250W, motor assist limited to 15.5mph,, throttle limited to 4mph. There is no need for legislation.
What needs to be clamped down on though in the UK are Bicycle couriers and chldren who use illegal overpowered ebikes capable of over 50mph, children being dangerous , driving like idiots. Doing 25mph down a hill on a blcycyle , have been overtaken by a kid at twice the speed (50mph +)and another time , on a bend at stupid speed with inches to spare..
With regard to training, passed my cycle proficency 30 years ago, I am trained as an a Advanced Driver and Advanced Motorcyclist. Due to advanced training , I have no issues no matter what I ride or drive.
I do not use cycle paths as faster on the road, on shared paths , would need to slow down for pedestrians.
I have 2 non electric bikes, a light manouverable bicycle for a sporty ride, a touring bicycle for long range and an electric recumebent trike for comfortable cruising within the range of the battery and commuting.
"e bikes are not bicycles" ???
smh
I literally could not care less what designation or nomenclature you think applies, nor do I care about your narrow definition of what a "bicycle" is.
I'll ride what I want to ride, and I'll call it what I want to call it. Your myopic, narrow minded exclusionary definitions are irrelevant to me.
Biased much?
Another tiresome bicycle purist. I've ridden bikes all my life, including long-distance touring in Europe and India. I'm now 71, my knees are shot, and the ebike lets me keep riding without resorting to pain killers and risking further physical damage... so buzz off with this schtick please. It is what it is.
You claim it's not an old man complaining syndrome. Take a look in the mirror and tell me who's looking back.
Many old men are wise.
Sorry, you're the one who made reference to the old man syndrome in your video. Please note, many old men are just old and foolish. @@dbowielookalike
I didn't say I wasn't an old man complaining, I said I wasn't an old man yelling get off my lawn. I was definitely complaining, but I don't consider myself an old man.
I use an electrical bicycle to move faster. But I have a secondary bike for sport.
i think horse riding on main roads is a problem too mate.
you are right.