History of Hull: Trams
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2021
- Today we look at the birth, growth and decline of Hull's tram network, visit a few locations that still exist from this bygone era of public transport, and look at how the trams shaped the city's roads in the early 20th century!
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As someone who lived in Hull in the 60's and 70's I assumed until just recently that the dual carriageways were built to convey the impression to visitors arriving by car that Hull was affluent. It was quite a surprise when I discovered the original use of the grassed centers.
Same here.
Me too. Though I was apt to think they got wider because the houses got posher and the more affluent residents had more lobbying power (and paid higher rates) for the tree-lined boulevard than those in the cheap streets nearer town...
Having just been released from hospital and told to take it easy for the next 2 months. I have been binge watching your various vids from the railways to the docks, etc. Love them, down to earth and very informative and as you said in a previous video, Martin Zero is one of your influences and also one of my other favourite people. Please keep it up. I have subbed
Glad to hear I'm helping to keep you from getting too bored in your recovery!
Even though i left the city for good 42 years ago, when i was 21, i still am drawn back as if i never lived there and dreamt my former life.
My good friend Mally read was very proud that he had a trolleybuses licence. And I lived down Liverpool Street and I can remember the trolleybus garage at the top. Great video thanks 🙏
Great video, the story of trams on a Sunday evening, I'm in heaven, many thanks.
Hull should really look at bringing back modern trams, we have the spaces for them to flourish
Certainly a thought!
I think many cities should look at bring in/back trams. Using some of the existing rail network and maybe some of the disused lines.
You look round some of the European cities that have them and you see how effective they are.
So we’d have tramways , bus lanes ,bike lanes ! Might as well throw my car in the river Hull ! 😟
@@pufango4059 I'm thinking of doing that after seeing the fuel prices today
We still have our double decker trams in Hong Kong. The trams are a vital part of the transport system on Hong Kong Islands north shore.
Another nice one HN. I'm well familiar with the rail remnants exiting the old Wheeler Street depot, and of course the depot was still in use when I was a kid living in Wheeler Street. Here in Australia, every capital city fell over themselves in a rush to ditch the trams. Couldn't get shut of them fast enough. Except far-sighted Melbourne, which embraces trams like they never went out of fashion. The tourism benefits are immense, and the tram system plays a large apart. Even though we live in Perth, our infrequent visits to Melbourne always include dining on a "Restaurant Tramcar." These are old beaten up tramcars that were destined for oblivion, but rescued by some enterprising folk who refurbished several and kitted them out for self-contained dining as the trams wander around Melbourne on some of the lesser used and out of the way routes. An experience not to be missed. From memory its a 6 or 7 course meal including trout as a main, and as much champagne as you can quaff...
Well done uncovering remnants of track in Hull which probably most Hull folks will be totally unaware of. I had no idea such evidence still existed...
I always keep a lookout for you HN, knowing another good one is in the works...
These studies are excellent, so well presented and interesting. Great accent and a city i love visiting.
That’s the best video yet! You told a full story, lots of factual information, references etc and I was gripped! Thank you, can’t wait for the next one now!!
Another excellent, well researched, informative and fascinating video. In the latter half of the 1970s. I worked, as a screen-printer, at Greens The Sign Makers. The company, at that time, was in Lister Street, probably 71. I was told, then, that the building had originally been a tram shed or tram depot. Had I been informed correctly? To help identify the building, I’m not sure which company is there, currently but as recent as 2022, it was HVM Commercial Vehicle & Hire. Thanks for the video, Gary Atkinson.
Just had a quick look on Google Street View and while the styling of the building does look like it might be around the same sort of era, I checked on the 1928 and 1911 high detail 25 inch Ordnance Survey maps, and there were never any tram lines along Lister Street as far as I can see, so it is unlikely that the building was a depot I'm afraid. Shame, I got all excited for a second that there was another surviving depot that I had missed!
At the rear of Primark the Tram shed is still there on Osborne Street. Its now used as Primarks Storage unit. Lines still intacked. Great Videos by the way. Many thanks.
Oh wow! I hadn't even dreamed that anything would still be intact in the middle of town! That's fantastic!
Thank you for this focus; another aspect of dear Hull previously unknown to me.
Stay free, Jamie and Katy. A small donation from my wee State Pension will, hopefully, be forthcoming.
Rab 💚 🍻 😎
I do not remember the trams.. But I do remember the trolley buses. Running behind them wating for the pole s to come off the wires and then the man with a longer pole putting them back on. Good old inersent days... Great fun..... 😊
I can still just vaguely recollect the huge (or so it seemed) brick cathedral on Holderness Road that became a Corporation Bus garage after the trolleys were axed. It lingered on at least until the 1960's I think. The Morrisons store swallowed it up along with Craven Park greyhound racing and rugby stadium. Though I missed all that...
Fantastic video. Loved it.
Thanks for this great video. As someone actively involved in trying to improve Hull's rail based public transport system, trams and the new Tram-Trains like those in Sheffield are definitely on the radar.
thumbnail on this one is simple but i think much better, i like the colour
i cannot believe i missed this one
Brilliant once again, always look at the tracks on Anlaby Road, hard to imagine how busy that would been as shed...but nice reminder to the past.
fantasic. loking forward to the next..
I've just landed on your channel while suffering from Covid. These videos are amazing. I grew up in Brid and spent many hours in and around Hull chasing trains. Sunday teatimes dashing off to Botanic gardens depot to bag 37s and 47s plus the fleet of 08s. The video about Hull trams is top rank, very informative and entertaining. I will be watching the video about the Malton Dodger soon.
Welcome to the channel, though I do hope you get well soon! Covid certainly isn't pleasant. Hope you continue to find interesting stuff here!
Nice work interesting history very well presented
As a schoolboy I lived in Hessle with my parents in the late 1950´s and up until around late1960. Our house was located at the western end of Boothferry Road where the dual carriageway ended. Presumably that is where the earlier trams system terminated. After our spell in Hull, we moved back to Hyde, greater Manchester. There had been trams years before, but by then in the 1960´s, and for quite some time after, the transport system around Greater Manchester, used trolley buses along, with diesel powered vehicles. It is interesting to find out why there were so many wide dual carriageway roads around Hull, I never knew that there had been trams. The predominant means of transport whilst we lived there was the bicycle. At finishing time on Hessle road past the docks, forget trying to drive a car, the road was solid from kerb to kerb each way with bicycles.
Dear Hull history nerd. I have really enjoyed your videos. We only lived in Hull for five years which does not sound long, but it was a third of my lifetime at that age so much longer than for an adult.
Im sure i have memories of the depot on cott road being a bus depot in the 80s. I remember getting off the bus on bev road and walking down Haworth street (before it was blocked off at bev road end) and walking past it on way to newland ave with my mum.
Interesting! It might well have been a garage or some such.
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I've lived in Hull all my life (70 years) and I didn't know that building was down Jesmond Gardens, even though I delivered papers down there. I remember many of the tram sheds and trolley buses quite well though. Very interesting.
Great video, great accent (I was born in Hull😊), and good call on the photo thumbnail instead of the maps. Pity it’s a little dark, can’t really make out the tram at a glance.
Yeah, I hadn't anticipated this being the first episode of the change or I'd have taken some better stills rather than relying on a capture from the video. Next time will be better!
Always wondered about the "dual carriageways" in Hull. Thanks for that.
Excellent as always HHN
My dad's grandad had the honour of driving the last tram. As he was retiring the powers that be thought it fitting he took the last journey. His name was John Edward Wilson or Edward John Wilson, can't remember which name came first 🙄
Another fascinating video, can we have sequel on theHull Trolleybus network please?
Great video
I remember the Transport Museum from school trips.. Trams and the magnificent old Daimler Benz cars &c.. Great video as ever!
Never knew that Hull had trams in the past. Other cities have had trams and trolley buses in the past. Including Norwich where I used to grow up near Norwich and it too used to have trams and trolley buses in the past.
Most cities and large towns tended to have a tram network in Britain, around here Doncaster, Grimsby, Cleethorpes, York and Scarborough all had their own tram networks. They were surprisingly common!
@@hullhistorynerd Yep. Indeed.
Another great movie! I've been waiting for this video. Thank you ❤
Thankyou for this. I always enjoy your in depth looks at Hull history.
Thanks for this amazing video, very well produced and researched
Towards the end of 2018, Danshui Light Rail began oprations. It is a tram that operates in Danshui New Town area of Taipei, Taiwan. As well as servicing Danshui New Town, a branch line also goes to Fisherman's Wharf where, as the name suggests, there are several seafood restaurant buildings.
One of thd interesting festures of these trams is that they contain batteries and are able to move under their own power for short diatances. This removes the need to suspend power lines over busy intersections, of which there is at least one.
Great video, well narrated and researched.
Great video !
Another well researched and well narrated (with local accent) short documentary. Thanks nerd for time and effort. I didn't know about Birkenhead and the early days. I like also that you pointed out the way trams have been introduced back in some English cities and European locations. Cheers for this. V interesting. :)
Thanks for another informative well presented video.
I'm sure I can actually remember the Tram shed itself on Cott Road. Before it was demolished for housing. You can probably confirm whether I'm correct or not.
I've ben waiting for the trams
Brilliant stuff as per usual and I've just introduced a work colleague to your excellent videos and he's now engrossed in them 👍.keep up the great work.
Superb as usual and awesome to see some amazing relics still existing
Yeah, huge props to the council for letting me in to the main bit of the Wheeler Street site, that's an amazing sight that won't be around much longer, although I'm told that the Sikh Temple that's going to be built plans to incorporate the tram lines in their car park, so that's a good thing!
Thank you Jamie & Kate .I do just remember seeing trolley buses on beverley road always great to see your videos about Hull & the east riding.If anybody wants a good laugh look for hull history bloopers on Jamies videos.
great one as always, i used to travel on the trolley buses from courtney street school to travel to ings road,which was were they turned round.the trolly bus was half a penny cheaper then the normal bus. keep the videos comming.thanks brian d
well what a gem loved your railway series this was a great video now i hope a nice history of buses in the area would be good
What an interesting video, I never knew Hull had trams, I remember the trolly buses in the North East Middlesborough and Hartlepool. Thanks
Another great video mum told me about the trolley bus's turning round at the bottom of newland ave . I can remember the depot on cottingham rd ,and my late wife was brought up on Liverpool Street she always said laughing that her house is now the butcher's department in Asda. Keep up the great work
It is amazing how much of the city has just disappeared, especially around Hessle Road, even in my lifetime!
@@hullhistorynerd totally agree with you dad was a lorry driver remember going with him in the 6 weeks holidays loading out of humber fishmeal which is now If I'm right part of sailmakers car park, which was Stanley's sailmakers
7:34 As an 8-year-old kid in the early 1970s I wondered why Hull (where my grandparents lived, just off Anlaby Park Road South) had these dual carriageways. They were completely unlike anything I had seen before (in my limited years). Even into my 20s and 30s, it was something quite unique, and I probably figured it out as something to do with post-war town planning (it actually looked quite 'European' and 'modern'). I had no idea anything to do with trams.
Wow, I had no idea tram networks were so uncommon now (having spent most of my city time in either Sheffield, Manchester or Nottingham, I always assumed they were basically the norm!) Interesting video as ever!
They're becoming more common as time rolls on and the existing networks prove their worth. I personally think they're a great idea, especially as city roads get increasingly congested.
And Croydon which took over some old rail routes !!
There ye go, had me at Tram 😉 That were grand 😊
The diversion created during the Blitz, to represent Hull, in open country (and thereby lure the bombers) included randomly flashing lights; this simulated the flashes of trolley wheels going under the overhead breakers. Looking at the tram rails, it appears to be unusual and like Doncaster, employed a check rail as wide as the running rail. Check rail is a misnomer as tram 'girder'rail incorporates a 'check rail'. What I am unsure about is whether the wheels ever employed two running faces - but that would be a quite unnecessary complication.
Interesting video, thank you. However, the illustrations are strange. Not one photo of a Hull tram or trolleybus, even though there are many to choose from on the web including ones seen running on the reserved tracks. 42 Hull trams were sold to Leeds during the war and ran there until the early 1950s. One has been restored and can be seen at the Hull Streetlife Museum.
Unfortunately none of those photos were free for me to use - I always try to get permission because I don't want to get into copyright trouble, and I couldn't get permission to film the Hull tram in the Streetlife museum as it doesn't actually belong to the museum, its part of the national collection. I did put a call out on Facebook for photos of trams and trolleybuses of Hull, but nothing came of it.
Melbourne, Australia has the largest tram network in the world.
When I was trying to find photos that I could use, I had to wade through SO MANY pics of Australian trams! I had no idea they were so big there!
@@hullhistorynerd yup. In fact there’s one line 200 metres away from me (I’m in Melbourne). Route 67 from the CBD to Carnegie. Sometimes if it’s quiet you can hear the bell ring as it’s trying to move cars along of the tracks.
Great video. You always do a really good job in helping to envisage how developments happened back when there was much more open space to work with.
BTW is that theme music microtonal or some wierd non equal temperament or do I need new ears?
The end music? It's a synthesiser with its oscillators slowly drifting into tune with each other!
One major change to Hull Tramways came as a result of the agreement with the local bus operator as to areas of operation. On some routes the tramway was cut back.
That is interesting, and a nugget that I didn't find in my research! Thanks for filling in another piece of the puzzle!
@ 2:37. Don’t quote me but I think that photo of trams in Launceston is actually Launceston, Tasmania, not Cornwall. The street looks familiar.
Yes, it was indeed Tasmania, good spot. I was really struggling to find public domain images to use, so I tried to at least find ones that looked like the sort of trams we might have had in the UK at the time.
Mr. Nerd, thank you once again and greetings from Leipzig where we enjoy a wonderful, integrated tram, train and bus network. Then there's my new E-bike making my car a waste of space and money. You can go of a ride on all the trams and buses on UA-cam - even what the trams were like in 1931. So, thank you once again. Anything about Beverley planned?
I have a whole series about Beverley coming in the future! Lots to talk about, from the North Bar, the friary, the Beck, and, of course, the Minster!
@@hullhistorynerd Thank you Mr. Nerd and I would love to show you round Leipzig.
There are tram lines within smith & nephew building. Still Very visible
Think they may be old train lines actually. Assuming serviced the Docks
Interesting! I wonder if they're actual tram lines or railway sidings? That area was riddled with railway infrastructure.
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i wondered what them tracks down anlaby road were
I like the two axel steam trams
A very short lived phase in Hull's history, mainly used whilst they figured out the problems with electrification. They were in use for longer in other places though, like the J70s on the Great Eastern Railway in Norfolk, the original inspiration for Awdry's Toby the Tram Engine!
these worked in other places that aren’t hull?
@@mistermadmachine6311 They certainly did. The example shown in the video, in Hull's Streetlife museum, isn't actually from Hull but from Northern Ireland!
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I do wonder what hull would be like if they kept the tram system and uses what we now have as the bus lanes. Im sure it would be better than the current buses for sure like 3 main routes somehow from the city main train terminal
Beverly road to the Tesco
Holderness road
Anlaby road
Hessle road
I just feel Hull should have kept them
I usually find your videos educational and this one I did too. But I was surprised that you didn't mention the Hull trams preserved in your Street life Museum in Hull. You didn't show us a photo of a blue and white Hull trolleybus, non of which have survived. The London horse car photo was a of a standard horse tram, not a Philadephia horse tram (which you have one of in the Street life museum in Hull!) which were imported by George Train. It is see those trams in the Streetlife museum that will bring me back to Hull again. I missed out on them last time.
Sadly I couldn't get permission for footage of some items in the museum as they are from a private collection, and there wasn't time to seek the owner's permission. I did put out a call on Facebook for photos of trams and trolleybuses of Hull on Facebook, but sadly nobody came forward with any shots for me to use.
Of the trams in the Streetlife museum, only the double decker is from Hull; the steam tram (which features in the video) is from Northern Ireland, and the coach is from the Isle of Wight. Turns out there aren't that many public domain photos of old trams for me to use in my videos!
Manchester had horse drawn trams at first there are or where on the internet photos of them with the driver and ticket collector and it shows the depo where they where housed not 100% shure but the depo might still be there.
Your man for Manchester related stuff is the awesome Martin Zero, you should check his channel to see if he's covered it!
@@hullhistorynerd I have seen Martin Zero but not sure weather he done anything on Manchester horse drawn trams it could be a good topic for him, I did see on the internet a photo of the old horse drawn tram depo it looked like I had seen it before but do not no if its still standing I some time to have a looked it would be from I think 1870-90.
Thanks for another fascinating look at Hull's history. Trams were before my time, but I do remember trolley buses running down Chants Ave and into town. I recall each bus carried a long pole used to reconnect the bus to the overhead power lines, should they ever become disconnected.
@Pete Maddra I remember the 'long pole' being used at tram termini, to reach up and reverse the power line apparatus for return journeys, Pete. That was during the late 1950s in Glasgow. Stay free. Rab 🍻 😎
@@RHR-221b Thanks Rab. My recollection is from Hull and is also from the late 50s. I would have been 5 or 6, so it's a hazy memory, but I recall being on a bus that became disconnected from the overhead cables mid-journey. It seemed quite exciting to me, watching the driver and the conductor trying to reconnect us. Perhaps it was a good job I couldn't hear them, I might have learned a few new words 😀
Very interesting. I'm sure I can remember going on a trolley bus up Spring Bank in late 50's/ early 60s🤔? For a second i thought your mic was a hedgehog brooch 😆 (just trying to fatten up 3 up for hybernation, so on my mind).!!
It certainly does look like some kind of small fluffy creature with the wind muffle on! Luckily that wind muffle is fantastic at cutting the wind, unlike any other mic I have!
@@hullhistorynerd Also very stylish😃🖒.
Nice interesting video. Maybe the uk government should introduce trams back into all cities. Hull especially. Its flat and made for them.
They've certainly been a success wherever they've been introduced. The biggest problem lies with the lengthy and enormous disruption of installing the infrastructure. Edinburgh's City centre suffered a lot from the construction work. Its a careful balancing act.
@@hullhistorynerd I am a great believer in the levelling up that was promised. Maybe hull is small compared to London but why can they not put in a percentage of what they have done for London. 53 billion raillink for one city. Why not 5 billion for Hull link and do it with electric trams.
Our Son lives in Melbourne, Australia and they have a fantastic tram system, going miles out into the suburbs. God help you though if you get in front of a tram and stop its journey, which I have done, they are very unhappy with you.
Wow I didn't know that Trans go that far out of by Hull
I was quite surprised how far they went up Beverley Road, all the way to Endike Lane!
Any chance of a video on Hull Trinity House the school.
I've already covered Trinity House as an organisation in the first two episodes in the Docks series, I'm afraid I don't have any plans to cover the school at this time.
By the looks of the maps,the furthest the trams went down holderness Rd is upto ings Rd,is that correct?
That's right, the depot was just a bit further west of the Ings Road terminus where Morrisons is now.
Video of hull trams on UA-cam
We never lost the trams in Amsterdam, Rotterdam en Den Haag
Europe was much more forgiving with trams than the UK, I suspect the road building lobbies were likely a part of that in the late 30s and 40s when we lost most of ours.
George Train...you couldnt make it up 😁
it was never broke but we tried to fix it
If we never try to make things better, then we never move forward at all! There's always going to be missteps though. Pulling up half of the railway network, for example, was a huge mistake that wasn't obvious at the time.
@@hullhistorynerd So my sister has married a man called phillip meer who is apparently a relation of yours , small world . Showed me the accident at chants petrol station dear God you must be built from granite , anyways another great vid thanks Jim
@@SonOfAnders73 Ah, he's a cousin! Aye, I did well to make it through that accident with just a cracked pelvis!
@@hullhistorynerd sickening to watch it could have easily been a lot worse . stay safe pal
Aye, at least these days I get asked on to the telly without having to break any bones for it, so there's that!
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