Watercourses of Hull: Foredyke and Lambwath Streams
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2023
- The history and courses of two of East Hull's most defining lost drains, the Foredyke Stream and another that forks from it and once ran around East Park, the Lambwath Stream!
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I've been keenly interested in the history of Hull for a while now, despite only actually visiting a handful of times and having no personal connection with it. There's just something about the place I can't quite put my finger on and this channel conveys that feeling so well.
Not sure if it's the writing, the presenting style, the music, the camerawork, the editing or all of the above but the videos just perfectly encapsulate that sense of eerie melancholy that draws me in.
Eerie melancholy is a good way of describing my hometown, thanks for that 🙂
Thanks for that. My hometown does have a bleak charm.
Hi! My mom & I really like watching all your videos. She used to work at The Land of Green Ginger, and we used to have "adventure days" in the 70s going across on the ferry from New Holland. I lived in Victoria Dock for 6 years, too. We salute you, sir! 😁👍
Thank you! Brilliant, informative and entertaining at the same time. I’ve said it before, you deserve a TV series.
Great episode Jamie. Been past the bridge at the corner of Cleveland Street many times. I seem to remember it as a water course too, many years ago. As a copper in the 70's my beat was to walk to North Bridge and phone Tower Grange from the police box that used to be there. We had radios of course, but a phone call back to base from the box pinged me geographically in case I was needed urgently in that location (Ha, that's a laugh, me being a useful copper). Don't know if the box is still there.
We walk past all these places and generally take little notice. I had no idea there was an inbuilt plaque declaring the first use in the UK of ferro cement.
We left Australia in 76 after 3 years, came back to Hull and I got a job as a bobby, thinking it would keep us in Hull, not wanting to return to Australia. I lasted 2 years as a copper, was probably Hull's most useless policeman ever, certainly one of the shortest, and the lure of Australia pulled us back here...
We've missed much of the change in Hull, but thanks to you I can catch up some. Your podcasts are an invaluable look back into our past. No podcaster I know does it in quite the way you do dude...
Having the "benefit" of being quite a few years older than yourself, there is much that I do remember as a post war kid growing up in the 50's and 60's before so much change took place....
I've got my sister over here from Hull for several weeks and she tells me Hull is in a parlous state, no longer the city of interest it once was. If true, that's rather sad. A city with a significant and outstanding heritage which seems to have had much of it obliterated in the name of something. Progress? Some might call it that, but that's a stretch....
Keep going Jamie, I could smell the wood shavings when you talked about your granddads joinery....
As a kid growing up on Bransholme, we’d build rafts to navigate the Foredyke. Great fun. This superb video is giving me flashbacks to simpler days.
Us too, we pinched polystyrene from the building site that was sutton fields.
@@shaunnewman8375 we did the same. And nicked wood for our bonfire on Nov 5th. We had to mount guard against raiding parties from North Bransholme and Alcatraz.
This is a really good video. I grew up on Bransholme from 1968 and the 'Iron Bridge' that you show on Bude Road was originally silver coloured before it was painted. The other bridge you mention was identical and it was actually on Holwell Road. That one had a plaque on it that did state that it was built by the army. I can't remember which branch. Presumably therefore they were both army-constructed. Apparently they were supposed to be temporary but the Bude Road version is a local landmark and in its mid 50s! In the early days of Bransholme there was Sofham Bridge further north by about 250m, right opposite the Nightjar Pub (named after the farm), and heading back south by a similar distance there was another bridge called Stephenson's Bridge that connected the 2 Stroud Crescents. Soffham and Stephenson's were historic and had probably been there for a very long time. Hope you find that useful! By the way, photos of Foredyke Stream on Bransholme before it was filled in are like hen's teeth. I've only seen one but there must be a few out there in lofts.
Yeah, I have to admit I couldn't find any photos at all, it was a tricky one to illustrate! Thanks for the info about the other bridge being on Holwell Road, that makes sense as I remember going over it on the way to Bransholme Centre as a kid, which I wouldn't have done if it had been on Bude! Those older bridges date back a long time, Sofham Bridge is on the 1853 OS map!
Brilliant! Two of my favourite lost Hull streams.
Another very interesting part of Hull's history .......keep up the good work !
Great stuff Jim, I grew up on North Bransholme, and these drains were our hangouts as kids.....great days. Swimming in Holderness drain too,, we used to call it 'pumpie' after the pumping station. As you say it's a bit deeper.
No footage from the nudist camp near North Bransholme and Wawne I see Jim ( very wise in this weather)
I live on Dansom Lane, right near Fordyke...... Thats me walking the dog folks, beginning of the video 😁👍
Delighted to see you Jim, top stuff as usual.
Glad you spotted your cameo!
Once again brilliant xxx
Well, that was good. I enjoyed that episode of the Foredyke Saga 🙂
My grandma lives on James Reckitt pretty much opposite where you were stood next to Malet Lambert. Lived in the house since the 50s. My dad was born in that house, and remembered Lambwath stream pretty well, as it passed the back of the garden. He spent many days as a child fishing for newts and frogs in it (and finding an unexploded WW2 bomb in it once...). My gran always told me stories of the stream flooding and ducks swimming across their garden.
When the stream was filled in in the 60s, i was told that the land was offered to the houses. The houses on the Malet Lambert side of the Gillshill roundabout all said no, and so the stream land was incorporated into the park, but the houses on the other side (the back of the little boating pond, where my parents currently live and where i was raised) all said yes, so the land was given to them. Hence the last 10ft or so of my parents garden is where the stream used to run.
Lovely memories and great info! That's what I love about doing this, people's recollections often fill in the gaps in a great way.
I wonder why the bit of the stream running through Malet Lambert was left open until the late 70s or early 80s?.
Wonderful as ever! I think I remember what they called 'The Joiners' Shop', visiting it with my dad to get a couple of grinding wheels.. That would be in the early 1970s I suppose. Thanks for another excellent film! 🌟👍
Very possibly! I'm sure there must be plenty of people out there who remember it - my recollection is fuzzy as I was just a small boy who was just trying not to get scratched by all the brambles round the back as I explored!
always a pleasure & very informative watching ur work on bridges! & where the drains once was !
What a great video. I cycle part of this route to my dads most days, then usually walk with him along the route you took. I think he'll enjoy this episode very much, thanks HHN 👍
Great to see you back lad,thanks
Another fascinating episode - thanks.
Incidentally, I was born and raised on Holderness Road and never heard Spyvee Street pronounced as you did with a short ‘I’, it was always pronounced with a long ‘I’ as ‘sp eye vee’ by my family and everyone we knew.
I've heard it that way too, my grandad's side of the family used to pronounce it the way I do, my grandma the other!
@@hullhistorynerd You say tomarto, I say tomayto!😊
you are bang on.
My gran lived down there and it was always Soy vee street to us.
same here. we would always say Sp-eye-vee. Its good either way but I wonder what the origin is
Very interesting, thanks for all your hard work putting these great video's together. I don't really know that part of hull but enjoy seeing how things work and what they used be like. Keep up the good work 😃
Another fascinating tour of Hull's history. Thank you.
Really enjoyed watching the video, we used to take our kids along the cycle path, happy memories , looking forward to the next one 🎉
Thanks for another cracking vlog very interesting and well put 😊
Knew the Fordyke Stream well in the late 60s, early 70s living on Bransholme. Curious you didn't make mention of the brick built drovers bridge that crossed the stream from Soffham Farm, the track it took is still there today crossing the streams route. We would go fishing and eeling in the Fordyke, best catches where at the junction of Fordyke and Holderness, with the added bonus (for us kids) of the nudist camp site with a 'gappy' fence just up the Holderness, it's still there today, goes by the name of Yorkshire Sunny Bums or something!! As ever, brilliant and informative video Sir, keep up the great work and thank you.
As always, informative, interesting, and well presented, being an East Hull lad it never ceases to amaze me of what I didn't know, until you let me know, keep doing what ya doing
That was beautiful and brilliant!
Really good information and research…cheers man.
This is great. Back in the 90s i used to walk east along Sutton Road towards the Leeds road crossroads. I remember there being a large diameter pipe that suddenly rose from the ground for a few meters before going back underground. Just about where the pelican crossing is now. I always wondered why it did that. Its now clear that this was where the pipe crossed over the water before it was filled in!
Indeed, one of the old, sadly disappeared, remnants of the old drain!
I recall a pipe, large diameter, did the same disapearing act on Stoneferry. I was told it was for transferring hot pressed oils from site to site at BOCM. This was a large silver coloured thing, the one at Sutton Road was black if memory serves me.
Another interesting and we'll researched episode
That shed light on so many things. Brilliant
Brilliant, really loving this series, thank you 👍
My grandparents lived in Spivvy St, there was a public lav attached, and that was also their toilet
Thanks! This brought back a lot of memories of growing up in the area of Summergangs/Mally/East Park etc.
Used to live at Long Riston. If I'm right i think the Lambworth drain ran through Skirlaugh under the A165 and on to Aldborough. Used to cross it many times. Great video. Very interesting. All the best 🇬🇧.
Great info on my local area!
Looking forward to this one. I spent most of the first 10 years of my life "down drain".
Now where did I put my rose tinted spectacles?
Yep that's what me and me mate's wud say, going on drain for a lark about
Really enjoyed, can remember Fordyke going under the H/B Railway 5 Arches Bridge in the 60s ,nice to see bit of the bridge remains along with the stream further down.👍PS I take it you like Tangerine Dream😉
Phaedra was the album that switched me on to electronic music when I was about 5 or 6 - my stepdad at the time was hugely into them!
Probably TDS best..🎹🎶
@@robgoldberg3401 I very much agree!
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great video i remember playing around foredyke drain when the masonettes was over the road grew up on bransholme
Yet another great vlog.
May I suggest you do a vlog on Hull City trolly busses? I do miss them.
I remember The Hull Daily Mail headline on how much the Hull City Council received for the sale of all the copper overhead wires. It wasn’t too much later when the oil crisis hit and the cost of running busses went through the roof.
Oh that's why North bransholme gets flooded heavy rain and that's looks nice really nice walk with dog 🐕
Another great video. I've cycled along that path from Mount Pleasant to Bransholme many a time during lockdown.I never knew the paths history. I do now. Great video.
Very, very interesting
I was always told as a kid that the bridges on Bransholme were built by the TA at Mona house, my uncle helped with one and my best friends father who ended up being SGT Major of the unit knew him and agreed with this, thats 20 odd years ago now.
This bridge was indeed built by the 129 Field Squadron Royal Engineers (volunteers)based at Mona House Sutton,and is an example of Combat Medium Girder Bridge.(MGB).As a member of this unit I have built these bridges by hand at the Bridging camp at the Ripon Army training area in the 70's.
It's a shame that so much has been destroyed or demolished because of the war damage. Because Hull has some fascinating history which HHN has been producing some brilliant content
Love it. I did a load of research on these a few years ago looking for culverted land drains to traverse, but was very disappointed to find out they'd all been filled in. 😥
Great video as always!
Not a east ull lad cos you would have said spy vee street and olbun street lol 😂 grew up just across Danny lane park 60s so the drain was our playground . Great video again panicked reading twitter feed thought I would have to join some group to watch it
East Hull born and bred, both sides of the family from Holderness Road. My grandad called it Spiv-ee, my gran called it spy-vee. Heard it both ways since! Just one of those funny little pronunciation variations, like Haworth Arms - hayworth or how-arth?
Very interesting - thank you. Born down Northumberland Avenue 1945 we used to swim in Barmston drain in the 50's. There was also a small stream that ran from the River Hull where we would go crabbing in the mud, when the water was low and sometimes they opened some sort of sluice/lockgate and let water through; maybe at high tide? It's all filled in now of course and factories built on the land.
That would probably have been the Cottingham Drain, subject of my last Watercourses video!
@@hullhistorynerd ? The sluice gate water from the river ran along the first Terrace (where I was born) then along opposite the school & Alms houses, then I think alongside Barmston drain, maybe not into the drain direct. I'll need to check your video :)
@@lesleygilbert1945 I just checked the maps, that was actually the Cottingham and Skidby Drain that went under the end of Northumberland Avenue! Got there in the end.
@@hullhistorynerd Just confused - why would they let out water from the River Hull? I distinctly remember water coming out which stopped us playing on the muddy rocks. I shudder to think how dirty we got haha.
Fascinating video, as always well researched. Very enjoyable.
Good video! Learned alot!
brilliant yet again thanks. brian d.
It all adds up now, to why Lambwath Junior School was so named.
Another amazing video as always 👏 keep up the brilliant work, although gutted I didn’t see you on Bransholme when filming 😅
Great video as always mate 👍
Excellent
I used to fish at top of cleveland street foredyke stream back in the 60.s also lambwath stream for sticklebacks and newts
I remember the huge hole on the other side of the bridge.
Yeah Holborn street, mmmm seems familiar. I remember before the drain got filled in wed go rafting, homemade rafts of course,
You was correct about the cast iron bridges, these were build by 129 field squadron the Royal engineers, as you say from sutton barracks, one of the bridges has a plaque on it with the information about the bridges. It must have been on the other bridge over Holwell Road. I'm sure they where built to aid with the construction of the estates.
Yes, that’s correct. It is/was the one on Holwell Road near Tenterden Close. I remember reading it when going over it when I was little.
The bridges were supposed to be temporary 'Baily' as the council always intended to fill the drain in but ran out of cash. That's was what my mam was told when we went to view our brand new house on Langtree.
Thank you
Another TV quality video ,superb as per usual ,and the HnB mentioned again lol
And in a 100 yrs time they'll be another hull history nerd talking about a statue erected in your honour 👍👌
Ha,I very much doubt that!
Sorry if I startled you as you were walking through cottingham last night... accept my apologies and keep up the great entertaining videos you do 👍
@@slw0599 Not at all, always nice to meet people who enjoy the videos!
My last comment about Keyingham Drain. Google shows a harbour there. And about 6 yachts etc moored. I call it a harbour. Very sheltered and includes even a slipway
love it
Brilliant another interesting video.
superb episode whens next one lol
The point where foredyke stream crosses holderness drain culvert. There used to be a plank you could cross over we used to fish either drain
About three miles east of the abbey is Skirlaugh and on the 1:25000 OS map, heading back out SW of Skirlaugh is a drain marked as "Lambwath Stream" and about mile from Skirlaugh it goes through a place called Lambwath Bridge. Is this anything to do with the Lambwath Stream you covered? Or was Lambwath (Lambwash) perhaps once a common name for a stream? Or is it possible that before the Holderness Drain was dug they were both part of the same (longer) stream way back when?
It's very likely that it was the continuation of the original on the other side of where the Holderness Drain now runs. In fact, when I was researching the maps, it struck me that the stretch of Holderness Drain that runs from where the Hull stretch of the Lambwath Stream meets it, almost all the way up to the Foredyke Stream, might well have followed the original length of the Lambwath, and it picks up the original Eastern end near this spot. I would have to look up some pre-18th century maps to be sure, but it seems like a good bet!
Sorry but have to go with the locals. Was brought up in Egton Street and it was always Spy vee Street. On another level always used to enjoy pointing out to people the plaque stating this was the first ferro concrete bridge. We live in a much maligned city and when asked where I am from my reply is Kingston upon Hull it is on my passport and all other documents as well as my old school books from the 1960's onwards.
I am a local...
great theme music too :) v kraftwerk
Cheers!
You don't actually mention when the Foredyke Stream was filled in. I have a dim recollection of it at Cleveland Street, where a section ran close to Witham/North Bridge. On the North side of the Stream was a large wrought iron metalworkshop owned by Eddie Beadle, whose name was painted on an advertising board above the premises. I had some gates made by him in the late 1970's and I'm sure the water was there at that time. But I might be wrong. Now it's just a car park...
Yes, various bits were filled in at different times, it seems, and it's hard to find any accurate info on the dates.
thanks awesome
Fascinating videos. I lived in Summergangs Road many years ago and never knew about these drains!
Will you be doing anything on West Hull, Prory Rosd area where I grew up?
I'm sure I will get around to all of the areas of Hull in time!
I don't know the 'wrong' side of Town at all. Anything further than Queen's Gardens is Bandit Territory. I am ashamed. I always go onto maps after a video though and learn a bit.
You mention part of the stream was not filled in until the 70's, do you know the dates of the various parts getting filled in? Being born in what would become Bransholme in the early 60's I remember the construction the bridges on Bude Road
Sadly I couldn't find any references to any dates for this one, so I've had to go on people's recollections. I know that the Lambwath North of James Reckitt was still open in the 70s, but I also remember going with my Grandad to the Joiner's 'Shop and seeing the drain filled in, with grass starting to grow on the fresh soil. Others have told me that the Foredyke was filled in on Bransholme in the 70s, too, and the parts closer in to Hull filled in during the 60s.
If anyone has more accurate dates, please let me know!
What a coincidence. I was watching a video of a yacht returning to its berth to Stone Creek. I couldn't find it on Google maps at first. The yacht sailed into a small stream that I later identified as a drain near sunk island. Its called Keyingham Drain. Really interesting to watch the last part. The last part of Part III. The view is confusing but spectacular. The place has only Stone Creek House as a description. The course to get into the drain for the yacht is along the coast between the coast to the north and the mud of the humber to the south. If you need a link. Let me know
Get your self down there in summer it’s beautiful m8
@@leebryant1973 I may do that. Looks like it is more bleak than Spurn point. Kedington looks interesting as well
@@johnswift1736 where’s kedington m8 never heard of that one always looking for a new explore
@@leebryant1973 did I use that. It is called Keyingham. Very interesting place if you look it up.
@@johnswift1736 got family there m8 I know the place nice 1
Top job another very interesting video puts into context what was clearly a bridge at sometime just a question is this the same drain that is on wawne common?
No, that's Crofts Drain, though they all intersect out in the fields to the east
@@hullhistorynerd thanks just remember going with my uncle fishing there
Hi Nerd, Putting the history of Hull aside for a moment, I have a question ii I may? As I know your a potential sausage roll connoisseur, what is your favourite sausage roll, and do you have any recommendations? 😊
I'm a particular enjoyer of the Cooplands and Gregg's vegan sausage rolls at the moment. I'm not a vegetarian, but I just enjoy the sausage rolly goodness without the risk of gristly bits or a bit of "unnamed meat" spoiling the experience...
@@hullhistorynerd I see your point regarding the meat quality in the ol’ rolls. It’s never going to be top dollar, but yes the greggs vegan is a good option. To finally wrap this up, should the sausage roll be hot or cold?
Oh warm, definitely.
@@hullhistorynerd Yes but JUST warm of course!
Pleased to report that Couplands has opened a branch over the border in Skipton. Always were the best curd cheesecakes too.
Excellent . Did prefer the original spooky music 😁
I tend to switch between the two versions depending on how I'm feeling, though there might be a third Vangelis tribute version added to the mix soon...
Hey 6:55 barmy drain, use fish it for ells
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Any evidence that Foredyke was ever used by small boats in the distant past?
5:13 you was standing were wed go rafting
The Foredyke Stream is part of a sad time in our family. My Mother, her parents, Brother and Sister lived at 3 St. Marks Avenue, St.Marks Street and in 1928 her Brother, Jackie, who was aged 3yrs, drowned in the Stream. His body was found floating face down, where the Stream crosses St.Marks Street. He had been playing with some other children and somehow fell in.
Yes, sadly it was such deaths and many more near misses that eventually led to the Drains being seen as more trouble than they were worth and certainly would have contributed to the infilling once superior sewer systems were in place.
Bailey Bridges ?
I had no idea what they were, just Googled it and they do certainly look like them! Not being into military history, it's not something I'd ever come across before!
It’s a ‘Warren truss’ bridge, bolted or riveted together. Bailey bridges had prefabricated rectangular side panels with diamond-shaped bracing and the panels were (are) connected with slotted in steel pins rather than bolts for ease and quickness of assembly.
@@keithhorsfield6290 Useful info, cheers! I knew someone out there would know something about these bridges!