@@crtg4672 Cinema Rules had an Ashleigh Burton video on the background of their intro a month ago and so many people in the comments were excited. It's super nice to see your favorite reactors being fans of each other 😊
One of the things I love about this movie is how empathetic it is. It doesn't demonize even the aggressive Chinese general. In the end he is not a cold man. What changes his mind is not a military secret, but a deeply human thing: his wife's last words.
Agreed. Usually alien contact-films have that one irrationally belligerent "bomb them"-character, who sees threats everywhere. We kind of get this trope here too in different characters (the colonen, the CIA representative, the general), but it's handled very subtly in all cases. None is paranoid or misgiving for no reason. All have understandable, institutional reasons for thinking/acting as they do. And in the end they are not evil people in any simplistic sense.
The film's use of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is a principle suggesting that the structure of a language affects its speakers' worldview or cognition, and thus people's perceptions are relative to their spoken language. Learning a new language can affect one person’s cognitive perception; hence, the alien language allowed Louise Banks to perceive time in a non-linear fashion.
@@Fharenheit I don't think you failed at all, I really liked your comment, especially the part regarding the arrival of the daughter and how it's more important than her departure
@@Gaia369 Actually neurolinguistics have discovered the opposite. The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis has been mostly debunked at this point or is at least highly disputed. It definitely does not work the way it is presented in this film. It would take more than just changing the language you speak to start thinking inter-dimensionally.
Imagine KNOWING the worst thing is going to happen to you, but allowing it to happen anyway. It’s the journey she embraced, not the destination. She welcomed it all.
It's not that she knew what would happen and allowed it anyway. That's still a linear, cause-and-effect approach to time. Instead, she was gifted the ability to erase the distinction between 'before' and 'after'. She evolved from conceiving of time as trimodal: "What was, what is, and what will be..." To thinking like this: "All there ever was or will be is what is."
She embraced the journey- despite knowing the heartbreak it would cause her. She couldn't take the unspeakably painful gift of life from her daughter. I wonder what became of her and Ian? I hope they reconciled and got back together. We never see a "memory" set farther in the future than where she meets the Chinese general....
I really hope to see Alex Garland's "Annihilation" on the playlist, I think that's an absolutely incredible film, really excited to see what he does in the future.
Interesting point. I too loved that movie. Yet I could barely trudge my way through the book. That being said, i wish they'd do a movie adaptation of the next 2 books...
I love this movie, it's very interesting idea of time. If you knew your future has sorrow and personal pain, would you still go through it? That's such a hard question to answer because people, humans don't really think in the past or future just in the present. Ian, I think his name is, chose to separate himself because he can't deal with the knowledge of future loss. That's a human reaction, avoiding of the issue. The thing is even though their future is filled with sorrow and loss there's also love, joy which I think that's life. That's my opinion at least
I have a daughter and I know that I would make the same decision Louise did. She saw this incredible person who was already part of the world and even though she knew Hannah would die, she also knew that she was meant to live. This movie communicates so many amazing aspects of life, and it helps to remind me that every moment I have with my daughter, even the terrible ones, are beyond what I can describe. She’s 32 and staring as the lead in her first play soon and she is brilliant. No matter what difficulties I have and will experience, I know that it was necessary to have her.
The gift was their language, that allows to comprehend time. There's a theory, a real one, that explain like learning another language, completely changes how your brain wires, and constructs and sees the world. For me the pungent subject is about her daughter, and how an ARRIVAL is more important than a departure.... Nice one guys.
@@Fharenheit But it isnt a theory. Its a fact. ❤️ Language is a tool for expression. When extended, diverse, more expression is possible, music, plants, animals, the wind, every tool of expression is language hence it is the actual door of perception. 🎶
The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis isn't established science, but it isn't completely discredited either. It is pretty widely accepted that different languages come with different cognitive biases. For instance, some languages have prepositions that indicate cardinal directions (words for "North of X" etc. that work like "behind X" works in English) and people who speak those languages conceptualize spatial relationships differently than people who only speak languages that don't have prepositions for cardinal directions. That part is pretty uncontroversial. However, this effect exists within a complex system of interrelated factors. Languages develop within a social context, and the difference in conceptualization may be the result of differences in that social context. In that case the difference in language and the difference in conceptualization would both be results of the same social conditions. The difference in language would not be the cause of the difference in conceptualization, though the two would still be correlated. A big obstacle to the study of the effect of language on cognition is that language as a field of study tends to attract people with a strong disposition toward language-based reasoning (as opposed to, for instance, visual, spatial, formal or relational reasoning) and it seems likely that the influence of language on cognition is stronger in people who primarily use language-based reasoning. Because most research in linguistics is done using a research population of linguistics students (that's the population that linguistics researchers have easy access to) there's a bias toward confirming or overestimating the effect of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis inherent to the research population. So while there's definitely a relationship between language use and cognition, it is unclear and difficult to research if this relationship is a causal one, and if so, how big its effects are compared to other mechanisms.
This movie is based on Ted Chiangs short story "Story of your Life". I recommend reading it, it's very good! He's one of the best and most original scifi writers today.
The film starts to really shine once you start understanding the concepts. Then you watch it again with that understanding and it hits even harder. It's just a damn near perfect movie. Thematically, visually, and performance-wise, it's just an impressive feat.
It was downright criminal that Amy Adams was snubbed for an Oscar for thi movie...her performance was downright brilliant and it remains one of the best sci-fi movies of all time for me...and one of the few ones which looks at alien contact in a much more realistic and empathetic way kinda like Contact rather than a war with aliens type shit we usually get
I mean, it was an incredibly subdued performance. The character is quite flat most of the time. Which I guess is realistic, but not exactly and oscar-worthy role.
It's believed that British settlers asked the native North Americans what their land was called, and they answered Kanata (or home in their language). The British not understanding called the land Canada.
One of my favorite movies of all time partly influenced by the fact that I saw it shortly after my daughter died. I I went in expecting a fun sci-fi romp, and ended up having to be helped out of the theater. Still love the movie though.
If this movie taught me anything it is that you can play On the Nature of Daylight over literally any scene and it will because the saddest thing I have ever watched. Such a powerful score.
I love the scene where she has a dream of the aliens. It may seem like a cheap jump scare but the director explained that a sign of you starting to really understand a language is when you start dreaming with it.
Oh dude I love when you guys watch sci-fi, and you started it out with a BANGER. I was SO relieved that neither of you had seen this before reacting to it, though I would have watched the video either way! Can't wait to see what other sci-fi films are on the menu. Cheers!
This movie is so beautiful on so many levels. My husband and I watched it this past summer together (we’d both seen it before) and talked about if we knew our daughter was going to die, would we still want to have her to avoid the pain? And we both agreed without hesitation that we’d have her to be able to enjoy every moment we could with her and to feel that love. It’s just such a good movie. It presents as an alien movie, but it’s really about so much more
Not to sound harsh, but is that not a bit self-serving? Like, it was about you and your personal fulfillment and experience and not your hypothetical daughter's *pain and trauma* from dying as a child that you knew would happen and could have prevented? I know it's complicated, that at least needs to be considered.
@@NLDlover I’m simply responding to the situation presented in the movie. She knew she’d have a child that would get sick, and not make it and she still made that choice. And the other option is that kid just not live and not get to experience all the joys and pains that life brings. Of course I would *never* want it to happen, I’ve had friends burry their children and it’s heartbreaking for everyone involved. But the point is you can’t have the good without the bad.
@@DavidJonesy exactly. Ironically it is Ian that says it in a line that's played for comedy when he takes off his suit for the first time - "everybody dies" - this is the eternal truth, all living things die - but the journey is what matters. Ultimately Ian could not accept that, the pain of knowing the specific details of his daughter's fate, so he left. The compactness of the storytelling here is just masterful. With a few seconds and sentences of dialog of the flashbacks/flash forwards, one gets a nuanced, emotionally dense story that informs and is informed by the main "alien" plot - and makes you truly think and reflect - that lesser stories in thousands of pages could never achieve. This is just amazing.
The Nature of Daylight's inclusion in the film is the reason why the film didn't get a Best Score Oscar nod. All the rest of the music was by Johann Johannsson (RIP), but the Academy ruled that the score was "diluted by the use of pre-existing music" (their words). The same thing happened to Johnny Greenwood's score for "There Will Be Blood." JJ also scored "Sicario" & "Prisoners" for DV.
Nominated for 8 Oscars including Best Picture, but won for Best Sound Mixing. The twist at the end was unexpected! It was like watching 2001: A Space Odyssey all over again!
Soundtrack is phenomenal. What a tragic loss for music, the death of Johansson. I still listen the tracks "Kangaru" and "Flight from the City" by him. I agree on the heaviness of this film. The loss that is to come... Good video again guys. Thank you. 👏☕
The nonlinear time in this movie is used with perfection. Knowing all the pain she will experience but she keeps on her trajectory just for the moments of happiness she does get. Imagine being able to live within all your life's moments
I was so excited when his came out. How often is a linguist a main character? I saw it several time in the theatre. I have an MA in Linguistics so I had to explain parts to my friends and family.
Saw this in the theater and I don't think a single person spoke a word for the last fifteen minutes. The Chinese general's wife's last words were "There are no winners in wars, only widows."- which I think is a deep cut for him to reconsider his position. Asking the women in my life if they would have Hannah, knowing she's doomed to die young, it's not a easy call to make. Lots of moral quandaries. Looove the alien designs and how they're so advanced that their technology looks primative. They obviously wanted people to work together- each ship is like the section of an orange- only making a sphere when put together.
Oh here we go! I’m a 40 year old single dad of daughters that are my everything and this movie gets me in tears every time I see it! 💔💓 missing my baby now terrible, so here we go!
You guys should do a reaction to Akira, if you're starting Sci-Fi. Hugely philosophical and abstract and even surrealist at times. And above all, it's got some of the best animations ever.
Regarding your sci-fi playlist, if Dark City isn't on it this year, I am begging you both to react to it at some point. It is an absolute mind-blowing experience. I promise that you won't be disappointed.
Arrival is one of the few modern film that I can watch anytime I see it on TV. Perfectly structured, paced and the emotional punch at the end gets your every time
Absolutely love this movie. The reveal towards the end blew my mind, and it was crying in the theater. This, Blade Runner 2049, Prisoners, and DUNE, are why Denis is my top director of all time.
Among my favorite sf movies of the 2010s. Favorites from each decade: 1950s: The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951, d. Robert Wise) 1960s: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968, d. Stanley Kubrick) 1970s: Stalker (1979, d. Andrei Tarkovsky) 1980s: Bladerunner (1982, d. Ridley Scott) 1990s: Dark City (1998, d. Alex Proyas) 2000s: Primer (2004, d. Shane Carruth)
I also watched Arrival today and saw it a few years back in cinema when it came out, great experience. Awesome Movie with an beautiful Look and of course sounddesign from Johannsson. Sad that he past away a few years ago. I prefer Arrival over Blade Runner. The look and overall production of BR is stunning but i like Arrival more as film itself. Take a look at ,Ex Machina, and also ,Sunshine, from Alex Garland :-)
Arrival has been my favourite Sci-Fi movie in recent years next to Interstellar. Amazing concept. And I got some „The Mist“ vibes when I first saw the aliens. Thanks for choosing it as the first movie in your Sci-Fi playlist! Totally unrelated, but P-L-E-A-S-E consider “Requiem for a Dream” for a future reaction. I watched it last weekend and am still blown away by this masterpiece! Definitely one of the heaviest and saddest dramas out there, it features an Oscar-nominated performance by Ellen Burstyn (she should have won) and also has Jared Leto and Jennifer Connelly in equally impressive roles. And there’s lots of inspiration for aspiring filmmakers when it comes to creative editing techniques. I won’t even touch on the amazing soundtrack here, but this film truly is a piece of art! I’ve been following you guys since the early days of your Horror Classics playlist in 2020, and from what I’ve learned, I’m sure both of you will appreciate it. I predict Tom will rate it an 8.x and Shaun will even go as high as 9.x. Prove me wrong or thank me later. Love your channel! 😊
I love that you said, "I thought there was just going to be one." My theory about this movie is that - there is just one ship, in many different places at once.
Denis Villeneuve makes AMAZING movies, often ones that require you to think. Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, Sicario, Prisoners and ESPECIALLY the underrated one: Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal. I cannot recommend them enough, seriously. Since you've seen Arrival, I hope you do eventually get to Sicario, Prisoners and Enemy, as they are absolutely amazing.
@@mercurymachines4311 Agreed, and sadly it goes under people's radar because it can be quite confusing if you're not paying enough attention (definitely a movie that can be helped by watching one of those "what does it mean" UA-cam videos haha)
Being able to see beyond the consequences of our choices what would you change. Could you give up the love of a partner and child to save yourself and their pain. Or would you make her decision and embrace both fully.
This film brings to mind an old Carpenters song “Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft (The Recognized Anthem of World Contact Day) “. “We are your friends…and We’d like to make contact with you.”
The use of tense (past, present and future) in the short story that the movie was adapted from (if you guys can read it) adds another layer to the story. Because in the movie, you're curious what's going on and it's still a fairly linear story. But in the book, Louise's learning of their language affects how she thinks, so there'll be parts like, "I remember what it'll be like watching you when you are a day old". That's like all the tenses in one sentence (I remember reminisces on the past; what it'll be like is future; and when you are a day old is present).This is a mess of a comment but Ted Chiang wrote the story with so much complexity and you're already sobbing knowing the kid is going to die but following Louise on her journey anyway. Idk, it's just fascinating
The structure of the aliens, that they looked like a seven-legged octopus, I think is part of the theme of cycles and circularity. Much like their language, they exhibit radial symmetry (if you divide them lengthwise by a mirror and slowly turn it on its axis, the image is the same). The general's wife's dying words translate to "In war, there are no winners. Only widows."
It's also like Interstellar in that both are about voices from the future sending a message back to save humanity, so that humanity can secure the future.
Great reaction and I agree with your ratings, even though I too probably couldn't watch this one again. Hope you've got Annihilation on the list! Amazing sci fi movie, which will haunt your minds forever. It's on Netflix right now too.
This is my favorite movie of all time. I cannot think of another film to touch me so deeply. Dune is probably a close second, but seeing Arrival has always touched me and seeing everyone’s reactions to this wonderful film is as touching as if I were watching it again for the first time.
The nature of daylight is amazing. ❤❤ One thing that's really heartbreaking once you know the twist is the beginning sequence. When the main character sees her child on the day she's born, she KNOWS at her birth and in every moment after that her daughter is going to die. It makes it so much more poignant. The main character says the same words to her baby as she does to her dead child.
This is a film you really need to watch twice. All those scenes with her looking confused as we're shown shots of her daughter--that's her seeing the future. You assume it's her looking back on memories of her dead daughter but none of that happened until after the aliens left. I've seen it 3 times and each time caught something I'd missed before. It's a beautiful film. The writers are brilliant.
You didn't discuss this, but one of the most interesting ideas the movie brings up is about bringing a child into the world when you KNOW they're going to die young. It's so tragic and beautiful and really sets ARRIVAL a step above most other sci-fi stories out there.
This is one of my comfort movies. I've lost count of how many times I've watched this. Amy Adams is exceptional in this film. There are moments within her performance where she envelops you emotionally. She captures you in the most subtle of her movements. And I love how the first time we are shown Agent Halpern's satellite phone is when we first hear about General Shang, setting up the scene near the end of the film where Louise uses that phone to call Shang. There is so much to rediscover upon rewatch once you know the whole story. And the musical bookends of Max Richter's "On The Nature Of Daylight" is as perfect an existing musical choice as a film can make. There have been many a morning where I listen to that musical piece while making a cup of tea and getting ready to start my day.
This was a really fun watch. When you listed the Villeneuve films you've seen, I noticed that you didn't mention my favourite. Which is why I have to ask you to, pretty please, with sugar on top, watch Sicario. 🙂
Probably the most affecting, touching, thoughtful sci-fi movie in a long while. It's beautiful cinematography, but a light and deft touch in the themes. And it made me cry.. so good.
This was one of the best movies i’ve ever watched in my life. When i got this movie from the library i put off watching it and i only decided to watch it before it was overdue. I was absolutely blown away.
Favorite science fiction by decade, you ask? '20s: I should like Metropolis, but sadly it's the only Fritz Lang film that I didn't enjoy much '30s: Frankenstein '40s: Cat People (stretching the genre here, I know) '50s: Godzilla '60s: 2001: A Space Odyssey '70s: Star Wars, Close Encounters, Alien, and Solaris '80s: Star Wars V & VI, E.T., Blade Runner, The Wrath of Khan, and The Thing (my birth year was legendary for sci-fi--Road Warrior, Tron, and Poltergeist also came out in '82) '90s: Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, 12 Monkeys, and ST: First Contact 2000s: Serenity, Sunshine, and District 9 2010s: Interstellar, Edge of Tomorrow, Predestination, Rogue One, Arrival, and The Martian 2020s: Dune and Dune.
I find it disturbing that "Arrival" (2016) can't be found on ANY of the "major cable TV channels." I found it on FX, just like "A Quiet Place" (2018), while I can find junk like "Pearl Harbor" (2001) any time on HBO or Showtime, instead. Not even "the syfy channel" bothered to show these movies, in spite of the obvious science fiction bent of these films. "Quantum Leap," anyone?
The lost of Jóhann Jóhannsson it's a tragedy. I can only think of Mica Levi and Hildur Guðnadóttir doing the kind of music he was doing, nowadays. I absolutely love this edgy kind of score. Him working on this movie was match made in heaven.
Have you guys seen Ex Machina yet.... You need to... Another though t provoking scifi that is a must. Even more of a must is WOLF, please watch wolf I've asked 17quintillion times now lol
My algorithm worked wonders with your channel popping up, happened after I watched ‘Come and See’, after which I needed to see other reactions and thoughts - most terrifying film I’ve seen for a long time. I’m currently only watching your videos where I’ve already seen the film, but will watch the films and come back to the rest. Arrival is iconic, such a good script, had the feeling of dread and hope filling every scene…Villeneuve is a genius. Here’s a couple of recommendations of his other work that you NEED to see: Incendies - probably his strongest work in my opinion, it is long, but worth every minute and the ending will blow your mind. Dune - this is sci-if at its best, obviously a big budget for this, but it brought everything to the screen that Dune has to offer in the books. Hands down the best Sci-Fi film of the decade imo. Enjoying the content lads, keep it up!
your comments about not sure if you can watch again knowing the outcome is a common problem with films with twists - the law of diminishing returns if you will - but this is where all the quality of the fabric of the film is so important - watching it again you revel in the cinematography, the design, the soundscape etc. you see new things and can explore new ways of understanding certain aspects of characters, dialogue, decisions made or not made. There have been a few films which play with your perception of time over the decades and once you have seen a few you wise up pretty quickly to any new one that comes along - which is why it's always a joy to see people like yourselves experiencing these things for the first or second time. One film you should watch that explores this in it's own way is the Wachowski's "Cloud Atlas" from 2012. Very under-rated and hardly seen let alone talked about. With an Amazing cast. A couple of things made me wince or gripe - first I really hate your pre-amble every time stating the objective of watching every film ever made. Do you have any idea how many have been made? in every country? what defines a film? the earliest films were seconds long. 5 minute shorts win oscars but are they a film? could you watch a film from Mongolia with no sub-titles? What about documentaries? the only way to watch early documentaries was at the cinema but would you class them as a "film" - Every film student has to watch early documentaries and appreciate their worth and understanding - eg Nanook of the North (1922 - so yes silent!) the British documentary was world renowned in the 1930's and 1940's from the GPO and then the Crown Film Unit. Then you know the vast majority of films made on Nitrate stock have been lost forever? We only have a tiny amount of films from the 1920's survive out of how many were made, even les for the 1910's and bare any from before that. You will never see thousands of films from those eras because they no longer exist. Please read about the huge Fox vault fire of 1937 to appreciate how many films have been lost forever from this and other tragedies. Second - referring to these aliens as octopus when they clearly kept saying Heptoids - Hept means 7. Oct means 8. sorry but my pedantry just really kicked in then! Other than that - really glad you liked and appreciated the film 🙂
Whaaa, you guys skipped the best part of the movie! The last 5 minutes demolish me every single time. Otherwise awesome reaction guys. I love this film.
This is such a good movie - thanks for watching/review. Science Fiction? War of the Worlds (1953), The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957), The Fly (1958), Dr. Cyclops (1940), Fantastic Voyage (1966) are a few you should add to your list.
Fun facts: the scenery where the ship is located is super close from my hometown in Québec, Canada ! It was mostly made in Montréal and its surroundings too :)
Arrival, aka The Movie with The Twist. No, seriously, to this day, I'm still wondering if it's not the best twist in TV history. At the very least, in the top 10. And yes, when they released it, back in 2016, I was like okay, I gotta choose between this movie and Interstellar, which one do I pick ? Oh, and it's a bit pro-life, isn't it ? :D
One of the best science fiction movies of the current century... and two others are from this same director. Keep 'em coming, Denis! I'm completely on-board!
I enjoyed your discussion at the end and to see how moved and interested you both were by the movie. Thanks for sharing 😊 The short story 'Story of your life' by Ted Chiang in which the film was based is a lovely read, I recommend it.
Loved Arrival when I saw it and every time I think about it again I think of something new. Just now I realized that with this gift you can only see as far into the future as you are going to be alive, so for a human only about another 70 years into the future. For the aliens to see 3000 years into the future they either must live that long naturally or they found a way to extend life or be in suspension. Then I thought if you had that gift you too would want to extend life and given how hard that would be you might instead work to be able to do some sort of suspension of life and reanimation and have some sort of "oracle" who agrees to be put down and then resucitated every decade or so to be briefed on events and then have that go on for centuries so that the early version of them can see much further into the future.
She still choose the way wat she sees because she does not want to change anything.. It was like accepting her destiny. She will have her daughter and became a master of the lingustik and save the humanity.
This was a joy to watch! Loved your discussion at the end.
Hi Brandon! Hope you watch Fargo season 3 soon 😜
Reactors supporting reactors, love to see it.
@@crtg4672 Cinema Rules had an Ashleigh Burton video on the background of their intro a month ago and so many people in the comments were excited. It's super nice to see your favorite reactors being fans of each other 😊
@@lkf8799 Ach! You don’t happen to remember what movie Cinema Rules was watching with Ashleigh in the intro background, do you??
@@Johonnac The Howling video
One of the things I love about this movie is how empathetic it is. It doesn't demonize even the aggressive Chinese general.
In the end he is not a cold man. What changes his mind is not a military secret, but a deeply human thing: his wife's last words.
Agreed. Usually alien contact-films have that one irrationally belligerent "bomb them"-character, who sees threats everywhere.
We kind of get this trope here too in different characters (the colonen, the CIA representative, the general), but it's handled very subtly in all cases. None is paranoid or misgiving for no reason. All have understandable, institutional reasons for thinking/acting as they do. And in the end they are not evil people in any simplistic sense.
No American movie will ever say anything negative about China.
The movie was probably partly funded by Chinese investors
@@DeltaAssaultGaming Every movie made in America wants a piece of the China box office. They will never portray China in a negative light.
@@DIEGOSHAY just enjoy the film man~ i think its a great, beautiful film, with a powerful message. Stop worrying about any political shit.
Such a masterpiece on EVERY level, crafted with restraint, balance and love.
The film's use of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is a principle suggesting that the structure of a language affects its speakers' worldview or cognition, and thus people's perceptions are relative to their spoken language. Learning a new language can affect one person’s cognitive perception; hence, the alien language allowed Louise Banks to perceive time in a non-linear fashion.
Yeah I tried to explain that on my comment but hilariously failed :-)
@@Fharenheit I don't think you failed at all, I really liked your comment, especially the part regarding the arrival of the daughter and how it's more important than her departure
Perfectly stated.
YES LANGUAGE SHAPES OUR PERCEPTION!!!!
@@Gaia369 Actually neurolinguistics have discovered the opposite. The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis has been mostly debunked at this point or is at least highly disputed. It definitely does not work the way it is presented in this film. It would take more than just changing the language you speak to start thinking inter-dimensionally.
If you're wondering what she told the general during her phone call, it was "there are no winners in war, only widows". Profound stuff.
Actually, she said there are no heroes in war, just orphans and widows.
Imagine KNOWING the worst thing is going to happen to you, but allowing it to happen anyway. It’s the journey she embraced, not the destination. She welcomed it all.
It's not that she knew what would happen and allowed it anyway. That's still a linear, cause-and-effect approach to time. Instead, she was gifted the ability to erase the distinction between 'before' and 'after'.
She evolved from conceiving of time as trimodal: "What was, what is, and what will be..."
To thinking like this: "All there ever was or will be is what is."
"I'm just a puppet that can see the strings"
She embraced the journey- despite knowing the heartbreak it would cause her. She couldn't take the unspeakably painful gift of life from her daughter.
I wonder what became of her and Ian? I hope they reconciled and got back together.
We never see a "memory" set farther in the future than where she meets the Chinese general....
Same thing for Abbot and Costello, Costello left, Abbot stayed. They both knew.
Selfish move putting the father thru that.
Max Richter’s “On The Nature of Daylight” is absolutely beautiful and is used perfectly in this film.
Makes me cry every time.
And it led to the score from being disqualified for the Academy Award for Best Score
Look up his song War Anthem it made me cry
@@Momo_0_o absolutely.
It's in shutter island as well
I really hope to see Alex Garland's "Annihilation" on the playlist, I think that's an absolutely incredible film, really excited to see what he does in the future.
Interesting point. I too loved that movie. Yet I could barely trudge my way through the book. That being said, i wish they'd do a movie adaptation of the next 2 books...
Also his TV series DEVS.
The trailer for the new Alex Garland A24 film just dropped today! It's called Men and the trailer looks promising :)
That...that is one beautifully terrifying movie
They go hand in hand 👌
I love this movie, it's very interesting idea of time. If you knew your future has sorrow and personal pain, would you still go through it? That's such a hard question to answer because people, humans don't really think in the past or future just in the present. Ian, I think his name is, chose to separate himself because he can't deal with the knowledge of future loss. That's a human reaction, avoiding of the issue. The thing is even though their future is filled with sorrow and loss there's also love, joy which I think that's life. That's my opinion at least
I have a daughter and I know that I would make the same decision Louise did.
She saw this incredible person who was already part of the world and even though she knew Hannah would die, she also knew that she was meant to live.
This movie communicates so many amazing aspects of life, and it helps to remind me that every moment I have with my daughter, even the terrible ones, are beyond what I can describe.
She’s 32 and staring as the lead in her first play soon and she is brilliant. No matter what difficulties I have and will experience, I know that it was necessary to have her.
The gift was their language, that allows to comprehend time. There's a theory, a real one, that explain like learning another language, completely changes how your brain wires, and constructs and sees the world. For me the pungent subject is about her daughter, and how an ARRIVAL is more important than a departure.... Nice one guys.
Its not a theory ❤️🔥❤️
Language shapes perception
@@Gaia369 :-) i meant theory like in Gravity
@@Fharenheit But it isnt a theory. Its a fact. ❤️
Language is a tool for expression. When extended, diverse, more expression is possible, music, plants, animals, the wind, every tool of expression is language hence it is the actual door of perception. 🎶
And the theory is wrong
The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis isn't established science, but it isn't completely discredited either. It is pretty widely accepted that different languages come with different cognitive biases. For instance, some languages have prepositions that indicate cardinal directions (words for "North of X" etc. that work like "behind X" works in English) and people who speak those languages conceptualize spatial relationships differently than people who only speak languages that don't have prepositions for cardinal directions. That part is pretty uncontroversial.
However, this effect exists within a complex system of interrelated factors. Languages develop within a social context, and the difference in conceptualization may be the result of differences in that social context. In that case the difference in language and the difference in conceptualization would both be results of the same social conditions. The difference in language would not be the cause of the difference in conceptualization, though the two would still be correlated.
A big obstacle to the study of the effect of language on cognition is that language as a field of study tends to attract people with a strong disposition toward language-based reasoning (as opposed to, for instance, visual, spatial, formal or relational reasoning) and it seems likely that the influence of language on cognition is stronger in people who primarily use language-based reasoning. Because most research in linguistics is done using a research population of linguistics students (that's the population that linguistics researchers have easy access to) there's a bias toward confirming or overestimating the effect of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis inherent to the research population.
So while there's definitely a relationship between language use and cognition, it is unclear and difficult to research if this relationship is a causal one, and if so, how big its effects are compared to other mechanisms.
This movie is based on Ted Chiangs short story "Story of your Life". I recommend reading it, it's very good! He's one of the best and most original scifi writers today.
The book totally worth the reading
The film starts to really shine once you start understanding the concepts. Then you watch it again with that understanding and it hits even harder. It's just a damn near perfect movie. Thematically, visually, and performance-wise, it's just an impressive feat.
Yes 🙏
It was downright criminal that Amy Adams was snubbed for an Oscar for thi movie...her performance was downright brilliant and it remains one of the best sci-fi movies of all time for me...and one of the few ones which looks at alien contact in a much more realistic and empathetic way kinda like Contact rather than a war with aliens type shit we usually get
She was living it. That's good acting.
I mean, it was an incredibly subdued performance. The character is quite flat most of the time. Which I guess is realistic, but not exactly and oscar-worthy role.
It's believed that British settlers asked the native North Americans what their land was called, and they answered Kanata (or home in their language). The British not understanding called the land Canada.
One of my favorite movies of all time partly influenced by the fact that I saw it shortly after my daughter died. I I went in expecting a fun sci-fi romp, and ended up having to be helped out of the theater. Still love the movie though.
If this movie taught me anything it is that you can play On the Nature of Daylight over literally any scene and it will because the saddest thing I have ever watched. Such a powerful score.
Watch the 2009 movie *District 9* by Neill Blomkamp. It's an aliens movie, but the plot is stunning
I love the scene where she has a dream of the aliens. It may seem like a cheap jump scare but the director explained that a sign of you starting to really understand a language is when you start dreaming with it.
Oh dude I love when you guys watch sci-fi, and you started it out with a BANGER. I was SO relieved that neither of you had seen this before reacting to it, though I would have watched the video either way! Can't wait to see what other sci-fi films are on the menu. Cheers!
This movie is so beautiful on so many levels. My husband and I watched it this past summer together (we’d both seen it before) and talked about if we knew our daughter was going to die, would we still want to have her to avoid the pain? And we both agreed without hesitation that we’d have her to be able to enjoy every moment we could with her and to feel that love. It’s just such a good movie. It presents as an alien movie, but it’s really about so much more
Not to sound harsh, but is that not a bit self-serving? Like, it was about you and your personal fulfillment and experience and not your hypothetical daughter's *pain and trauma* from dying as a child that you knew would happen and could have prevented?
I know it's complicated, that at least needs to be considered.
@@NLDlover I’m simply responding to the situation presented in the movie. She knew she’d have a child that would get sick, and not make it and she still made that choice. And the other option is that kid just not live and not get to experience all the joys and pains that life brings. Of course I would *never* want it to happen, I’ve had friends burry their children and it’s heartbreaking for everyone involved. But the point is you can’t have the good without the bad.
@@NLDlover I think you're missing the point. Every parent knows every child born into this world will die.
@@DavidJonesy exactly. Ironically it is Ian that says it in a line that's played for comedy when he takes off his suit for the first time - "everybody dies" - this is the eternal truth, all living things die - but the journey is what matters. Ultimately Ian could not accept that, the pain of knowing the specific details of his daughter's fate, so he left.
The compactness of the storytelling here is just masterful. With a few seconds and sentences of dialog of the flashbacks/flash forwards, one gets a nuanced, emotionally dense story that informs and is informed by the main "alien" plot - and makes you truly think and reflect - that lesser stories in thousands of pages could never achieve. This is just amazing.
@@DancingSamurai our mortality shape our lives for the better or the worst
General Shang's wife's last words that he relays to Louise to tell himself are "In war there are no winners, only widows."
Arrival is his best in my opinion (BR2049 a close second) but his filmography is… insane. You have to check out Enemy and Sicario as well.
The Nature of Daylight's inclusion in the film is the reason why the film didn't get a Best Score Oscar nod. All the rest of the music was by Johann Johannsson (RIP), but the Academy ruled that the score was "diluted by the use of pre-existing music" (their words). The same thing happened to Johnny Greenwood's score for "There Will Be Blood." JJ also scored "Sicario" & "Prisoners" for DV.
Such a shame
Sicario's soundtrack is also outstanding! Hope they also watched it - or will in the future.
Yes, "On the Nature of Daylight" was the main theme in SHUTTER ISLAND.
So Johnny Greenwoods score wasn't original? Asking out of interest as I love his music and that film in particular
@@Gaia369 that's actually a great soundtrack too
Nominated for 8 Oscars including Best Picture, but won for Best Sound Mixing. The twist at the end was unexpected! It was like watching 2001: A Space Odyssey all over again!
It should have won screenplay and cinematography. And Amy Adams should have been nominated. What a travesty.
Lads I'm SOOOO happy you watched this. This is in my top 5 films of all time, so emotional and so so clever.
Fantastic film and masterpiece soundtrack.
Masterpiece!!
Oh this is gone be good. I have a feeling you'll love it.
Soundtrack is phenomenal. What a tragic loss for music, the death of Johansson. I still listen the tracks "Kangaru" and "Flight from the City" by him.
I agree on the heaviness of this film. The loss that is to come...
Good video again guys. Thank you. 👏☕
The nonlinear time in this movie is used with perfection. Knowing all the pain she will experience but she keeps on her trajectory just for the moments of happiness she does get.
Imagine being able to live within all your life's moments
I was so excited when his came out. How often is a linguist a main character? I saw it several time in the theatre. I have an MA in Linguistics so I had to explain parts to my friends and family.
Saw this in the theater and I don't think a single person spoke a word for the last fifteen minutes.
The Chinese general's wife's last words were "There are no winners in wars, only widows."- which I think is a deep cut for him to reconsider his position.
Asking the women in my life if they would have Hannah, knowing she's doomed to die young, it's not a easy call to make.
Lots of moral quandaries.
Looove the alien designs and how they're so advanced that their technology looks primative.
They obviously wanted people to work together- each ship is like the section of an orange- only making a sphere when put together.
Oh here we go! I’m a 40 year old single dad of daughters that are my everything and this movie gets me in tears every time I see it! 💔💓 missing my baby now terrible, so here we go!
You guys should do a reaction to Akira, if you're starting Sci-Fi. Hugely philosophical and abstract and even surrealist at times. And above all, it's got some of the best animations ever.
Massive co-sign on this
AKIRA is a must-see!
Regarding your sci-fi playlist, if Dark City isn't on it this year, I am begging you both to react to it at some point. It is an absolute mind-blowing experience. I promise that you won't be disappointed.
War of the Worlds (2005) from Steven Spielberg, with Tom cruise
You guys would like.
Also should do Jeepers Creepers 2 someday. 😊
Anyone else thinking about the Tralfamadorians from SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE? "And so it goes"
Arrival is one of the few modern film that I can watch anytime I see it on TV. Perfectly structured, paced and the emotional punch at the end gets your every time
Absolutely love this movie. The reveal towards the end blew my mind, and it was crying in the theater. This, Blade Runner 2049, Prisoners, and DUNE, are why Denis is my top director of all time.
If you love his stuff, definitely recommend Enemy by him. Another mind blowing film ^^
I would LOVE to see them react to Prisoners!
Sicario gets no love...
@@tanimal3964 at this point EIGHT MONTHS AGO, I hadn’t seen Sicario. But I have now, and it’s great.
Among my favorite sf movies of the 2010s. Favorites from each decade:
1950s: The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951, d. Robert Wise)
1960s: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968, d. Stanley Kubrick)
1970s: Stalker (1979, d. Andrei Tarkovsky)
1980s: Bladerunner (1982, d. Ridley Scott)
1990s: Dark City (1998, d. Alex Proyas)
2000s: Primer (2004, d. Shane Carruth)
Big thumbs up for Stalker! Tarkovsky was such an excellent director.
Dark City - I see you are a man of taste.
Thumbs up for Primer!
Primer is such a trip!
Amy Adams is so great in this movie.
Ex Machina is a great Sci Fi flick if you haven't seen it!
I adore this film. Such a different view on an alien invasion.
I also watched Arrival today and saw it a few years back in cinema when it came out, great experience. Awesome Movie with an beautiful Look and of course sounddesign from Johannsson. Sad that he past away a few years ago. I prefer Arrival over Blade Runner. The look and overall production of BR is stunning but i like Arrival more as film itself. Take a look at ,Ex Machina, and also ,Sunshine, from Alex Garland :-)
This is one of my favourite films of all time!
Arrival has been my favourite Sci-Fi movie in recent years next to Interstellar. Amazing concept. And I got some „The Mist“ vibes when I first saw the aliens. Thanks for choosing it as the first movie in your Sci-Fi playlist!
Totally unrelated, but P-L-E-A-S-E consider “Requiem for a Dream” for a future reaction. I watched it last weekend and am still blown away by this masterpiece! Definitely one of the heaviest and saddest dramas out there, it features an Oscar-nominated performance by Ellen Burstyn (she should have won) and also has Jared Leto and Jennifer Connelly in equally impressive roles. And there’s lots of inspiration for aspiring filmmakers when it comes to creative editing techniques. I won’t even touch on the amazing soundtrack here, but this film truly is a piece of art!
I’ve been following you guys since the early days of your Horror Classics playlist in 2020, and from what I’ve learned, I’m sure both of you will appreciate it. I predict Tom will rate it an 8.x and Shaun will even go as high as 9.x. Prove me wrong or thank me later. Love your channel! 😊
I love that you said, "I thought there was just going to be one." My theory about this movie is that - there is just one ship, in many different places at once.
Such a gorgeous film. This actually gives me a bit of hope for humanity.
Denis Villeneuve makes AMAZING movies, often ones that require you to think. Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, Sicario, Prisoners and ESPECIALLY the underrated one: Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal. I cannot recommend them enough, seriously. Since you've seen Arrival, I hope you do eventually get to Sicario, Prisoners and Enemy, as they are absolutely amazing.
Enemy is one of his very best.
@@mercurymachines4311 Agreed, and sadly it goes under people's radar because it can be quite confusing if you're not paying enough attention (definitely a movie that can be helped by watching one of those "what does it mean" UA-cam videos haha)
Please watch Sicario guys. Another Denis film. Incredible film.
Being able to see beyond the consequences of our choices what would you change.
Could you give up the love of a partner and child to save yourself and their pain. Or would you make her decision and embrace both fully.
I would give up anything to save them from pain, and anyone who wouldn't is selfish.
This film brings to mind an old Carpenters song “Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft (The Recognized Anthem of World Contact Day) “. “We are your friends…and We’d like to make contact with you.”
The use of tense (past, present and future) in the short story that the movie was adapted from (if you guys can read it) adds another layer to the story. Because in the movie, you're curious what's going on and it's still a fairly linear story. But in the book, Louise's learning of their language affects how she thinks, so there'll be parts like, "I remember what it'll be like watching you when you are a day old". That's like all the tenses in one sentence (I remember reminisces on the past; what it'll be like is future; and when you are a day old is present).This is a mess of a comment but Ted Chiang wrote the story with so much complexity and you're already sobbing knowing the kid is going to die but following Louise on her journey anyway. Idk, it's just fascinating
If you want another movie where On The Nature of Daylight is used amazingly, Shutter Island used the music beautifully
Story by SF writer extraordinaire Ted Chiang, who combines futurism and science with philosophy and heart
Arrival is a Masterpiece! Please do Anihilation and Ex-Maquina. Great sci Fi movies too. Do Snowpiercer too
3 seconds in, she's saying "come back to me" & the tears are already welling up.
Right 😢
The structure of the aliens, that they looked like a seven-legged octopus, I think is part of the theme of cycles and circularity. Much like their language, they exhibit radial symmetry (if you divide them lengthwise by a mirror and slowly turn it on its axis, the image is the same).
The general's wife's dying words translate to "In war, there are no winners. Only widows."
It's also like Interstellar in that both are about voices from the future sending a message back to save humanity, so that humanity can secure the future.
Great reaction and I agree with your ratings, even though I too probably couldn't watch this one again. Hope you've got Annihilation on the list! Amazing sci fi movie, which will haunt your minds forever. It's on Netflix right now too.
This is my favorite movie of all time. I cannot think of another film to touch me so deeply. Dune is probably a close second, but seeing Arrival has always touched me and seeing everyone’s reactions to this wonderful film is as touching as if I were watching it again for the first time.
"I don't understand, who is this child?" That reveal is so good!
Haha incredible reaction guys
The nature of daylight is amazing. ❤❤
One thing that's really heartbreaking once you know the twist is the beginning sequence. When the main character sees her child on the day she's born, she KNOWS at her birth and in every moment after that her daughter is going to die. It makes it so much more poignant. The main character says the same words to her baby as she does to her dead child.
This is a film you really need to watch twice. All those scenes with her looking confused as we're shown shots of her daughter--that's her seeing the future. You assume it's her looking back on memories of her dead daughter but none of that happened until after the aliens left. I've seen it 3 times and each time caught something I'd missed before. It's a beautiful film. The writers are brilliant.
saw it 6 times and still think its overrated.
You didn't discuss this, but one of the most interesting ideas the movie brings up is about bringing a child into the world when you KNOW they're going to die young. It's so tragic and beautiful and really sets ARRIVAL a step above most other sci-fi stories out there.
Same thing for Abbot and Costello, Costello left, Abbot stayed. They both knew.
There's nothing beautiful in that, is pure selfishness.
Yes! I will die for this movie. I love it so much and I never have the right words to describe exactly why. Just so good.
Notice how the jokes and comments fall off more and more as the movie goes on :)
This is one of my comfort movies. I've lost count of how many times I've watched this. Amy Adams is exceptional in this film. There are moments within her performance where she envelops you emotionally. She captures you in the most subtle of her movements. And I love how the first time we are shown Agent Halpern's satellite phone is when we first hear about General Shang, setting up the scene near the end of the film where Louise uses that phone to call Shang. There is so much to rediscover upon rewatch once you know the whole story. And the musical bookends of Max Richter's "On The Nature Of Daylight" is as perfect an existing musical choice as a film can make. There have been many a morning where I listen to that musical piece while making a cup of tea and getting ready to start my day.
22:30 Yep! Not only is it a well made, acted and thought out movie it is a very satisfying movie 🙂
If you have not watched it, I highly recommend Sicario. Great cast also.
23:12 loved that comparison 👌
This was a really fun watch.
When you listed the Villeneuve films you've seen, I noticed that you didn't mention my favourite. Which is why I have to ask you to, pretty please, with sugar on top, watch Sicario. 🙂
i love that the general's wife dying words were "in war there are no winners, only widows"
Probably the most affecting, touching, thoughtful sci-fi movie in a long while. It's beautiful cinematography, but a light and deft touch in the themes. And it made me cry.. so good.
This was one of the best movies i’ve ever watched in my life. When i got this movie from the library i put off watching it and i only decided to watch it before it was overdue. I was absolutely blown away.
So excited! Love this movie.
It just won a movie tournament on Film Joy's channel last month.
I love sci-fi 💗
Favorite science fiction by decade, you ask?
'20s: I should like Metropolis, but sadly it's the only Fritz Lang film that I didn't enjoy much
'30s: Frankenstein
'40s: Cat People (stretching the genre here, I know)
'50s: Godzilla
'60s: 2001: A Space Odyssey
'70s: Star Wars, Close Encounters, Alien, and Solaris
'80s: Star Wars V & VI, E.T., Blade Runner, The Wrath of Khan, and The Thing (my birth year was legendary for sci-fi--Road Warrior, Tron, and Poltergeist also came out in '82)
'90s: Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, 12 Monkeys, and ST: First Contact
2000s: Serenity, Sunshine, and District 9
2010s: Interstellar, Edge of Tomorrow, Predestination, Rogue One, Arrival, and The Martian
2020s: Dune and Dune.
I find it disturbing that "Arrival" (2016) can't be found on ANY of the "major cable TV channels." I found it on FX, just like "A Quiet Place" (2018), while I can find junk like "Pearl Harbor" (2001) any time on HBO or Showtime, instead. Not even "the syfy channel" bothered to show these movies, in spite of the obvious science fiction bent of these films. "Quantum Leap," anyone?
The lost of Jóhann Jóhannsson it's a tragedy. I can only think of Mica Levi and Hildur Guðnadóttir doing the kind of music he was doing, nowadays. I absolutely love this edgy kind of score. Him working on this movie was match made in heaven.
I hope you guys watch Sicario at some point . Its probably my fav film of this particular director
Have you guys seen Ex Machina yet.... You need to... Another though t provoking scifi that is a must. Even more of a must is WOLF, please watch wolf I've asked 17quintillion times now lol
My algorithm worked wonders with your channel popping up, happened after I watched ‘Come and See’, after which I needed to see other reactions and thoughts - most terrifying film I’ve seen for a long time.
I’m currently only watching your videos where I’ve already seen the film, but will watch the films and come back to the rest.
Arrival is iconic, such a good script, had the feeling of dread and hope filling every scene…Villeneuve is a genius. Here’s a couple of recommendations of his other work that you NEED to see:
Incendies - probably his strongest work in my opinion, it is long, but worth every minute and the ending will blow your mind.
Dune - this is sci-if at its best, obviously a big budget for this, but it brought everything to the screen that Dune has to offer in the books. Hands down the best Sci-Fi film of the decade imo.
Enjoying the content lads, keep it up!
I LOVE THIS FILM! love the creativity when it came to the alien language. I studied hieroglyphs at uni so all I want to do is learn it! haha
What a fun language to study!
Would LOVE to see you guys one day react to Prisoners (2013), another amazing Denis Villeneuve film!
your comments about not sure if you can watch again knowing the outcome is a common problem with films with twists - the law of diminishing returns if you will - but this is where all the quality of the fabric of the film is so important - watching it again you revel in the cinematography, the design, the soundscape etc. you see new things and can explore new ways of understanding certain aspects of characters, dialogue, decisions made or not made.
There have been a few films which play with your perception of time over the decades and once you have seen a few you wise up pretty quickly to any new one that comes along - which is why it's always a joy to see people like yourselves experiencing these things for the first or second time.
One film you should watch that explores this in it's own way is the Wachowski's "Cloud Atlas" from 2012. Very under-rated and hardly seen let alone talked about. With an Amazing cast.
A couple of things made me wince or gripe - first I really hate your pre-amble every time stating the objective of watching every film ever made. Do you have any idea how many have been made? in every country? what defines a film? the earliest films were seconds long. 5 minute shorts win oscars but are they a film? could you watch a film from Mongolia with no sub-titles? What about documentaries? the only way to watch early documentaries was at the cinema but would you class them as a "film" - Every film student has to watch early documentaries and appreciate their worth and understanding - eg Nanook of the North (1922 - so yes silent!) the British documentary was world renowned in the 1930's and 1940's from the GPO and then the Crown Film Unit. Then you know the vast majority of films made on Nitrate stock have been lost forever? We only have a tiny amount of films from the 1920's survive out of how many were made, even les for the 1910's and bare any from before that. You will never see thousands of films from those eras because they no longer exist. Please read about the huge Fox vault fire of 1937 to appreciate how many films have been lost forever from this and other tragedies.
Second - referring to these aliens as octopus when they clearly kept saying Heptoids - Hept means 7. Oct means 8. sorry but my pedantry just really kicked in then!
Other than that - really glad you liked and appreciated the film 🙂
Whaaa, you guys skipped the best part of the movie! The last 5 minutes demolish me every single time. Otherwise awesome reaction guys. I love this film.
This is such a good movie - thanks for watching/review.
Science Fiction? War of the Worlds (1953), The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957), The Fly (1958), Dr. Cyclops (1940), Fantastic Voyage (1966) are a few you should add to your list.
God, I loved Fantastic Voyage as a child. Have to look it up again.
Good selection, especially War of the Worlds. "Guns! Tanks! Bombs! They're like toys against them!"
Fun facts: the scenery where the ship is located is super close from my hometown in Québec, Canada ! It was mostly made in Montréal and its surroundings too :)
Arrival, aka The Movie with The Twist. No, seriously, to this day, I'm still wondering if it's not the best twist in TV history. At the very least, in the top 10.
And yes, when they released it, back in 2016, I was like okay, I gotta choose between this movie and Interstellar, which one do I pick ?
Oh, and it's a bit pro-life, isn't it ? :D
One of the best science fiction movies of the current century... and two others are from this same director. Keep 'em coming, Denis! I'm completely on-board!
I enjoyed your discussion at the end and to see how moved and interested you both were by the movie. Thanks for sharing 😊 The short story 'Story of your life' by Ted Chiang in which the film was based is a lovely read, I recommend it.
I didn't realise when I began watching, that I've actually seen this movie. Thumbs up from me!
Love this film as one of my top films ever, Denis Villeneuve (dəni vil-nœv - Den-ee Vill-Noovf) is a fantastic director.
Thanks for pointing out the score!!! I’ve been trying to remember where I heard it for years!!!
Loved Arrival when I saw it and every time I think about it again I think of something new. Just now I realized that with this gift you can only see as far into the future as you are going to be alive, so for a human only about another 70 years into the future. For the aliens to see 3000 years into the future they either must live that long naturally or they found a way to extend life or be in suspension. Then I thought if you had that gift you too would want to extend life and given how hard that would be you might instead work to be able to do some sort of suspension of life and reanimation and have some sort of "oracle" who agrees to be put down and then resucitated every decade or so to be briefed on events and then have that go on for centuries so that the early version of them can see much further into the future.
So when I left the theater after I woke up, all I remember was really big calamari leaving coffee mug stains everywhere.
Since I became a dad this film makes me cry like a bitch now... Mate that ending!!! Argh
yeah a great film this and sticks with you for days......amazing soundtrack
She still choose the way wat she sees because she does not want to change anything.. It was like accepting her destiny. She will have her daughter and became a master of the lingustik and save the humanity.