Here's How Ray Allen Teaches Jump Shooting
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2024
- In this clip, JJ Redick admires Ray Allen's shooting form and ask Ray how he learned to shoot, how he now teaches people, and the best way to do so.
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JJ was silent for 4 minutes... then just destroys josh harts shooting form 😂😂😂😂😂
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Yea that was mad funny 😂😂😂
Catching strays hahaha
Because he’s been working with Josh hart on his form lol
Boo
I've trained in muay thai for 13 yrs and just him talking about mechanics and physiology is really enlightening; no matter what sport you're in.
Hearing the greate explain their sport in depth....never gets old
Facts. It's all body mechanics at the end of the day.
Yeah. But he’s clearly not a (good) golf instructor.
I love how he immediately brings up a golf swing. Look at Charles Barkley swing a golf club and you can see how quickly a broke jump shot can develop.
ray allen was spot on. as a teacher, it’s important to teach someone where they are at and then, get them where they want them to be instead of starting them how you start everyone else.
Yea that was his most profound point.
Everybody can b a shooter though idc what tha form is if u putting in the work
Gilbert arenas said the same thing. He’s a trainer. He said train ppl to elevate their abilities. One size doesn’t fit all.
His sons is a top hs player in the country, and only a sophomore.
4:34 the shade thrown to Josh Hart unmatched 😂
Lmao I was like damn😭😭
Literally laughed out loud
Lmao 😂💀
I just got to that part and ran to the comments 😂
Ray Allen was in the zone tho, he didnt even think about laughing lol
that adjusting to natural form vs forcing form shots is true
Exactly why he is one of the best shooters ever. Just explained it from a childhood standpoint all the way to a professional level within 7 mins
jj reddick and ray allen talking about shooting?! SNAP click
please have young mantis on the pod
Nothing better than this!
On sonics he used to do the lean in 3 on the break in one motion was something graceful to watch
He was nasty with the sonics & bucks people 4get how complete of a player he was sweetest shooting form I've ever seen
@@abandonedtownexplorations8736thats why it was crazy when he went to the celtics
Ik exactly what he means by pushing the shot 🥲💯 coaches would always tell me growing up to use my wrist and fingertips when the ball is bigger than my head lol
Shidd the ball prolly still bigger than your head brah unless u megamind
@@Henry-kv7zl😂
you probably have a junk trailer park form
@@Henry-kv7zl Lol true 😂😂
@@Alien-_-Clawson Every 8 year old has a Janky form until your strong enough to shoot the right way 🤡🤥 Being the shortest player on all my teams made me probably the best shooter on all the teams I played for 🎯
The thing is, Ray breaks shooting form down to it's purist mechanics, and he was always obsessive about it and put in the work. But lots of guys can still find success with different form, simply from repetition and knowing how to properly adjust. I think what Ray is trying to imply is that these guys would be able to find more success if they could implement better basic technique on a consistent basis (once they learned to adjust the same way as their "natural" form)
Two of my favorite all time shooters. This going to be a good one
Makes perfect sense, as kids grow so will their hands, arms, legs hips etc. Using a smaller ball will help them catch palm the ball & use correct rotation
Master class by Ray Allen. Kept everything nice and simple
Both their shots were beautiful to watch
Let's think of this. What is the closest motion done in professional sports with the highest accuracy? Funnily enough, darts! They can throw the dart with such accuracy, almost within 2-3mm from where they aim. The motion is exactly the same, but is on a horizontal target, not on a vertical plane. They hold the darts between the thumb, index and middle finger. This is the split finger shot that Petrovic, MJ, Stojakovic etc were using. To put it it all together. When I teach kids to shoot, I get them to throw darts to a target. Then start to raise the target in height so they start throwing on a more vertical plane. Then we go to a basketball court and teach them to use the same motion, with their fingers aiming at the three front net hooks (Steph aims like that). Of courses depending on age using a 7 to 9ft rim and smaller balls. I coach under 11 kids, there is not a kid in my group that does kit have perfect form.
This is honestly very creative, didn’t know that bit about darts either.
@@LosPeeps0609 thank you!
But you shoudnt release the ball with the thumb. Shoud you?
@@Brian-wy2odYou shouldn't release darts with your thumb either. A good throw spins off of your pointer or middle finger, which gives it the direction and height too
I disagree with Ray Allen on this. Most great shooters do have the ball resting a bit on their palm. That's not actually what differentiates a good shooter from a bad shooter.
He summed it up at the end. Great shooting is simply about timing your lift with your release. That's literally the most important part. If you can do that consistently every time your shot will be good because youll be driving with your legs while aiming with your wrist and hand. As long as you move the ball slightly before you will ALWAYS naturally shoot with your hands and wrist. You will also never get off hand interference.
I could listen to this man break down basketball forever ! So glad he still wants to talk about the game but most importantly share his knowledge with the world . Thank you JJ
So much gold in this interview.. I wish I was about 20 years younger watching this
ray's shot is a thing of beauty, never get tired of his highlights
I love that your having this important dialog. Took all winter but I learned my 10yr old son who is right handed shoots natully left. Thanks Ray nd Jj💯💯
Those Jordan's in the background are insane 😳. He's speaking the truth about the shot
For many players, shooting is the hardest part of the game.
It involves several, distinct technical components that one must learn to transform into a single, fluid motion. Good shooting requires steady balance, bending the knees, shooting at the apex, avoiding guide hand interference, avoiding too much palm, achieving rotation, achieving a high arc, achieving follow-through, accurate aiming, and more.
It's truly a miracle that anyone can ever learn how to "shoot the right way," especially given that everyone has a different physical shape, sense of balance, sense of physical comfort, and psychology.
Hell, most of the best shooters in NBA history had/have at least one thing innately "wrong" about their jumpshots, from a purist's perspective.
I played ball (non-professionally) my whole life. Tried everything. Was open to both small adjustments and fundamental, top-to-bottom overhauls. Practiced a lot. Never got even decent at it.
For me it was simple, with infinite tweaks and repetition. Throw the ball up? Did it go in? Okay, do the same thing. Now do it using the least amount of energy. After thousands of reps it begins to form
It's because you practiced wrong....1 million bad repitions where you're doing it wrong will not help you improve. This is what most guys don't understand. Shooting is about timing. It's about getting the power from your legs and transferring that energy into the release. At the same time the aim comes from your elbows, wrist and fingers.
Essentially what Ray Allen said at the end. You have to match your release with your lift. That's HOW the transfer happens. It's also how you shoot from deep. Shooting far actually requires less power than many people think. It actually only requires you being able to transfer the power from your legs well. Again it's all timing.
I actually played in high school and wasn't a great shooter until I turned 29. Like you it used to frustrate me a lot because I could never consistently figure it out. Some days I'd make shots but some days Id airball everything.
I watched a video by some shooting expert on Instagram one night and he said. Bring the ball up first and then jump and flick at the same time. So I did that. Very slowly at first. I'd bring the ball up and then jump and shoot. By the end of the day I was hitting 10-15 straight threes but not fast. But it was working. So then I just decided okay this works but it's too slow for a game. I started watching my game tapes and realized that all the good shooters in the league jump and release at the same time and it's usually a slight jump forward. So I tried it. I'd just jump and flick as soon as I'd get the ball at the same time. Faster. And guess what? It worked.
This is a true story, I now average 5 threes a game in my men's league. Prior to that I hadn't hit a three in the last 2-3 yrs. I have teams that specifically try to double me and focus on taking away my shot because of how many threes I hit. I'm still always trying to improve but I realized that I came a long way as well.
My next thing I hope to improve on is getting my shot off the dribble faster. I struggle with that.
Those 11's in the background ☘️
This was great. love hearing you guys being technical
You can tell JJ was genuinely LEARNING from Ray since he was quite for multiple minutes and let Ray speak uninterrupted
Eh...
I think JJ was just being polite/a good podcast host/was interested in hearing from Ray. Ray gives good advice here, but its nothing remotely new or unique to anyone who knows how and has spent years shooting. Which JJ has.
Kids/young played can learn A LOT about shooting just from this short conversation!
That thing at the end about the release point and matching it with your jump is the most intelligent thing I've ever heard about shooting a basketball
I literally wrote the same comment. Literally shooting well all boils down to that. I tell guys I meet (I'm really really good at shooting) and so naturally people ask me how? They think it's like wizardry but I wasn't a natural born shooter, I actually learned the timing release with the lift like Ray said. The funny thing is once you understand that concept its crazy how easy shooting becomes..then it's just about increasing the speed and your good. The wild thing is anyone can become a great shooter because it's actually a very easy concept to learn once it clicks.
Definitely got a lot of my shooting form from these two goats!
Allan Houston had the most perfect form!
Back my early high school days, it was either Houston's or Glen Rice's form we'd emulate . But I always thought Allan's form was a thing of beauty. Even though I thought my form looked a bit like Houston's, it more resembled Reggie's 😂
Steph is right... It's Klay... Though Alan Houston is great too
Yeah and glen rice
josh hart catching a stray 😂😂😂
Coaching
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This is such a thoughtful and insightful answer
Whenever i warm up i picture how square ray Allen is when he shoots and his release point and try to mimic it, i believe it's helped me be as good as a shooter i became. I love Ray
I remember watching Ray Allen’s shooting drill around the free throw line, his shooting release from how his fingers held and felt the ball to the flick of his wrist is what really stood out to me. That video definitely made me a better shooter. Ray Allen’s flick of the wrist and soft touch of the fingers on the ball is something else. First thing I have taught little ballers is to not grip the basketball but feel it with their hands. What I learned recently was MJ’s comment about using your index finger and finger to guide the shot for a more accurate follow through release.
Man that’s crazy the way he explained shooting at the end is exactly how I go about shooting I never really work on/shoot threes when I work out it’s just middys and free throws..if I can get the timing of my release down/get a feel for the ball I’m good it’s just adjusting from the ranges im shooting from after that jumping is the easy part
what an amazing breakdown. Thank you so much Ray!!!!!
This should be required viewing for coaches and young kids interested in learning to shoot.
Some coaches get hung up on the idea of never changing the ball size or hoop height.
Let the kids learn form and technique so when the strength catches up, the knowledge transfers.
This is brilliant. The hand conversion was so good.
I've done the same exact thing and it's exactly what ya'll said its mimicking the release point but not mentally being side tracked by the further distance or angle you shooting from
Wow! Awesome video. I have told my Nephews to watch Booker shoot, but if Book was not around today, I would tell them to watch how Ray shoots. Yeah, Ray’s stroke is pure.
0:46 Ray definitely caught me with that. He caught all of us 😮💨
Dang, Ray Allen never aged!!! 😮
I had to watch this Ray is one of the best shooters of all time
This was pure gold.
This is the type of basketball talk I love
When I first started playing ball. I watched Ray Allen's jumper for hours. Most comfortable and when I shot the best. Started playing in High School. They changed my shot. Said the way I was shooting was flat, and it's not good to release with both hands
JJ was a sniper too man it must have felt great Ray, hearing that from JJ. 🏀 🎯
*The GOAT Shooter Ray Allen* imo just too many legendary clutch shots.
I taped Ray when he won the 3pt contest. I went outside everyday for hours practicing my form to shoot like Ray. His shot is perfect
Dave Hopla def recommended shooting with a smaller ball. And you gotta start close and get real good free throws. Win the battle at 15 feet away and the 3 pointers will take care of themselves.
JJ you are a brain to the game!! Salute bro.
I used to obsess over those TNT segments, 'nba fundamentals' back when I was in middle school. I teach my nephews the same shooting drills that I seen ray allen talking about on his nba fundamentals segment he did back in like 06-07.
Great response by Ray here, being aware of different* body compositions and ability.
Josh hart stray mid Ray Allen jumpshot discussion was crazy
Game 6 heat spurs…one of the most memorable sports moments for me ever
I love how he talks about working with what is natural for the individual. I was constantly working on my shot because it was very unorthodox, trying to make it look like JJ's honestly. My body and build would just not allow it to be that uniform shot.
When in doubt, head to the free throw line.
I got 2 daughters and a son! This is what I need JJ! Thank yall!!!
I never played basketball, but I did compete in the shotput. The release technique that Allen talks about when it comes to shooting is the same as releasing the shotput.
Why jj had to roast josh hart like that. Instantly came to his mind 😂
Ray comes from an old school style of shooting. Square to the basket, finger tip shooting, high release point, two motion shot. When you look at the best to ever do it, Curry doesn't elevate that much, palm on the ball, releases on the way up, right foot angled towards the rim. Dame shoots like this and they're both deep three/logo shooters. Obviously Ray found much success in his style of shooting but today's snipers are simply better.
I love the free throw line
My favorite basketball player of all time
Gus Alferie H.S. great coach had on our backs on the floor to work on release point and rotation. And with a eight foot ceiling you could get to three to four inches to get the perfect spin.
So many gems
I've been trying to get my son to buy into the idea to find his shot shooting shorter shots before he goes to the 3 point line. great tips from one of my all-time favorites. going to save this video, show my 10 year old son and tell him how before Steph, Ray Allen was the man. (and Reggie, of course, too!)
the free-throw line is magic
This is what F'd up my wrist. As an undersized player, I had to shoot quickly, so most of my shooting motion came just from upper body strenght and forearm+wrist movement. Something of a mix like Arenas and Reggie Miller shooting.
Anyone else had same issues with shooting wrist?
Korvers jumpshot is what i try to replicate, i know when he went to the hawks he changed the slight hitch jumper became so smooth
Bruh a couple years ago I changed my form to try to replicate Korver’s and my shooting got sooooo much better
Seen that guy run the floor at a 24 Hour fitness. Just snapping the net from 35’-40’. It was crazy to see how much better he was than everybody else. Even bench players in the NBA are DIFFERENT
I could listen all day; Ray Allen is a shooter
ray allen so underrated as far as a player. looking at his game from the bucks he wasnt just a shooter
No one ever said he was underrated what you talking about
@@MRHIPHOPVEGANhe’s talking about ray’s overall game. everyone knows how good he is as a shooter but he used to fake people out at the rim and poster mfs. was really good at stripping the ball as well. he was in the dunk contest at one point; his shooting was never questioned but people forget he could do way more than shoot
@@h0tpotatoes exactly, well said. Late in his career and even oftentimes in Boston he ended up as a spot up shooter, and since those are the years he had the most success, that's what people remember him by. Especially young kids who didn't see it live. As a UConn fan he used to dominate all aspects of the game for us when he was in college
"underrated as a player"? he is in the hof
@@g..._anthony27 these people think anyone that they watched while growing up is underrated these days
This was good info for father's like myself teaching their young son's
Everyone wanted to shoot like Ray, best form in NBA history.
Was an amazing person Ray Allen is
A coaching staff of JJ Redick, Lebron, rondo and Ray allen would be elite
Those Js behind JJ 🔥
Really interesting information from a gifted shooter. Also, kids push from their chest while when you get older the push comes from your legs up through your torso into your arms through your fingertips. Even at a free throw, you start lower and push up with momentum into your shot. You don't even need to jump to shoot 3 pointers. I would start from the free throw line and then go out to the 3 point line and shoot "free throws" from outside the arc. That way you can work on your motion without adding your jumping mechanic into it.
That was a great video
Of course Ray breaks it down to where it makes so much sense
one thing ive discovered that i have no seen anyone talk about is the sound the ball and your hands make during release.. if ur able to have the same sound every shot then u will be consistent
I haven't played in a few years and I just put up a hoop for my daughters the other day. I was shooting some free throws, really badly and form was very inconsistent, and I was really trying to pay attention to how I was shooting because my form would range from perfect(not my old shot at all) to "wut was that?". It made me think back to my dad telling me to "shoot with your fingertips"(which I did not do). I realized that my natural hand-eye coordination let me get away with some absolute garbage shooting habits back in the day. That's what happens when it just kind of works and you roll with it, lol.
Shooting is a pressing motion. The issue most players do with shooting is fighting with tension. Soft hands and soft fingers lead to a soft touch. Gripping the ball with your finger tips lead to hard shots, less control and not rolling off the finger. Ball should come off the index finger last or the 2 finger split.
Shooting is a pushing motion. Elbow locked before the wrist snap( In retrospect relax your hand and your wrist and lock your elbow, the reflect take over and your wrist will snap anyway) The power from the upper body comes from the elbow not the hand and the wrist.
Lot of young kids start out shooting with the wrong size ball
Literally did Ray Allen drills when I was in highschool.
thats the thing, how high this man was of the ground on perfect form shot
A must watch for kids.
Gold 🏆
I used to jump higher and release kinda forward with lower arc when i was younger. Now that im older i cant jump like that and have to compensate to releasing earlier and jumping more forward
Thorough and intelligent answer from Ray. I still don’t know how he developed his shot or how to replicate it, haha.
Wow, this man just gave me a breakthrough in my 30s that no coach could even get close to. Goat sniper ftw
Ray is 💯 here. The point at the end of the day is to get the ball in the basket.
There is a way for young basketball players (6+) to develop the strength to shoot a regular basketball very early. You can use a 2lbs Medicine Ball and teach them the proper shooting mechanic and have them spin the ball in the air 2-4 inches. They'll catch themselves and repeat. They can increase to a 4lbs in 3-4 weeks. Afterwards shooting the basketball will feel really light in 4-6 weeks.
thats crazy how curry, as great as he is, is so humble to say emulate klays shot, not his.
3:14 That was wild Ray…No Diddy
-I got Josh Hart over JJ in a 3pt contest.
Ray is so smart.
Only thing I would add is pratice shooting with tired legs, if you can still make it not jumping so much thats dangerous, its still a 2lb ball at the end of the day. Good to pratice on different styles of shooting bc your not always gonna have the open 3, mid-range, maybe it'll be a leaning 3 etc etc
Speaking intelligence is Mr. Allen!
mm, well..
first 6 minutes this is all rewording the old stuff. great narrative and ray def put some thought into it, but it´s not new or even not so critical maybe. Then the FT-example came straight from the soul. totally explains his two motion shot as well!!! but as a coach - do we want to go after 2 motion shooting? even for the really athletic guys, do we want them to jump? or are we aiming for a quicker release and more options out of it, with focus on dipping and 1motion shooting instead?
jayjay - do you teach your kids the quick release or the "jumper"?
this is the best break down of a true shoot, I never woulda made it to the nba but doesnt mean i still didnt get my craft right. im 5'8 and have always been a shooter, people never believed that the true control of the shot is the fingers. I was always told footwork and form but they missed the biggest detail 100/10 clip
I know exactly what you mean, I’m 5’7 and Ray Allen basically described my shot video on my channel.
This guy is a genius
I’ve coached many kids in baseball that have a very similar problem hitting. The bat is too heavy for most kids in the younger age groups. So the only way they can swing is to heave the bat around in a circle instead of using their hands and wrists to guide the bat through the zone properly. The result is a lot of kids reaching middle school and high school with long swings and improper form because they started with bats that are too heavy. But this is a rules issue. The leagues dictate that only certain weight standards can be used. That is to prevent bigger kids from using an ultra light bat and potentially injuring someone. However in practice, it ends up handicapping every average to smaller kid that is just trying to learn the game.
Awesome. I will be using these words at training