@@Kolljak _"Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"_ -Cave Johnson - Portal 2
I agree with everything except Poppy being Stella. Stella was still well, "human" during the time when Mommy was created, which would mean the Poppy couldn't exist AFTER that. This also doesn't make sense, because it was technically Poppy's success (in bringing her to life) that led into the other experiments, and then the BBI. Edit: thanks for the likes.
This might be a mega stretch but I wonder if it’s something similar to Golden Freddy in Fnaf, where you have two human souls inhabiting the same body. It would help explain the drastic personality change from Poppy in Chapter 2. But I’m not sure there’s enough evidence to back this up.
@@Metalkatt we know for a fact the Poppy we meet is the original one, and if not, why was she locked up..? And then how could’ve the company dwell into the experiments in the first place..?
@@Metalkattbut if that’s the case then her office and her department name should’ve been replace in the Playcare section as well as the her tunnel slide in Chapter 2
If you wanna draw up another connection between Portal 2 and Poppy Playtime, we're also being led to the final boss (Glados and the Prototype) by someone who is part of the facility and also wants to stop the final boss (Wheatley and Poppy) but end up betraying us after we defeat the final boss. If this goes how I assume, it's possible Poppy is gonna follow a similar route to Wheatley
Poppy is definitely gonna betray us. I honestly think she's the real villain and The Prototype is actually good. Just the Prototype sees us as the bad one since we were once a worker and we're with Poppy.
I wondered if the prototype & poppy r actually good and the protagonist is actually the villian or their just all evil and it's the matter of lesser evils I highly doubt the prototype is good though-
"Poppy Playtime is copying FNAF." Poppy Playtime is about a kids/humans being experimented on, their organs being put inside a toy. Fnaf is about a trapped kids souls inside animatronics
@@TinyBearTimI am 99% sure it is actually a nazi rip-off since, kids on gas, a non-god being treated like one, and of course experiments are all in common, with both, oh fuck poppy playtime is a allusion to ww2.
"Inspiration exist plus it's true both of them have the kid's mascot thing but there's way to many difference's and purpose so not really And both of them have completely different stories
You see the lemon after you escape someone or something like you see the lemon after u escape huggy and you seethe lemonadeposter after you escape the playhouse, you see lemons after you save your life, my theory is that it's paying homage to the phrase "when life gives you lemons"
for cave johnson and andrew ryan they embody the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" both started down the path of trying to do good but both ended up in a living hell.
Except no. Because if they truly had good intentions then they wouldn't have murdered people the moment they had the power to bring those intentions to fruition. If I want to save animals, I won't torture them until they die and honestly awful experiments whose data is borderline unusable BECAUSE of how unnecessarily dangerous they are. Unwilling participants fuck with results. Unnecessary amounts of increased stressed and danger (aka, uncontrollable variables) also fuck with results. A MASSIVE part of ethics is simply asking: Is this necessary? Is this useful? Is this being done consistently and in a way that ensures successful data collection?? Are we maintaining necessary quality control within the research environment?? Are we ensuring everyone involved is willing to participate??? Are people going to be dying, thus leading to setbacks??? Is the original idea even based on pre-existing proven research??? Or is this a wild goose chase that will take money and resources, including the participating parties, away from much more viable and sound projects? *Because nothing is MORE unethical than wasting resources by killing/torturing a bunch of test subjects and researchers in poorly executed experiments in pursuit of a goal that was never going to be achieved anyways.* If you have good intentions, you would never intentionally do that. You would avoid that AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. *And that's the point of these games.* That no, you really shouldn't allow people with power to go around just doing shit unchecked because they feel like it. That no, you really shouldn't hurt people to achieve your goals. And that if someone with bad intentions can ruin THIS many lives... *Maybe we should rethink our systems then, because the honor systems is bullshit.* You shouldn't trust authority, no matter how it tried to spin the story. *No one isolates large groups of people while giving themselves absolute control over them and their right to life/die WITHOUT bad intentions.* There are better ways to achieve progress BOTH in terms of morality AND effectiveness. Ways that involves everyone having autonomy and a say in their society. *These tyrants were NEVER going to do better, otherwise they simply would have.* They make them funny. They make them human. *But at the end of the day, it was inevitable that something would go wrong if one man could simply kill a fuck-ton of people on a whim.* *And the types of people who want that power are NOT going to be the types of people you WANT having that power.* *So it shouldn't exist.* Having a God/Savior complex while torturing people to death to achieve your own aspirations isn't the result of "good intentions", it's the result of systematic narcissistic abuse.
Except no. Because if they truly had good intentions then they wouldn't have murdered people the moment they had the power to bring those intentions to fruition. If I want to save animals, I won't torture them until they die and honestly awful experiments whose data is borderline unusable BECAUSE of how unnecessarily dangerous they are. Unwilling participants fuck with results. Unnecessary amounts of increased stressed and danger (aka, uncontrollable variables) also fuck with results. A MASSIVE part of ethics is simply asking: Is this necessary? Is this useful? Is this being done consistently and in a way that ensures successful data collection?? Are we maintaining necessary quality control within the research environment?? Are we ensuring everyone involved is willing to participate??? Are people going to be dying, thus leading to setbacks??? Is the original idea even based on pre-existing proven research??? Or is this a wild goose chase that will take money and resources, including the participating parties, away from much more viable and sound projects? *Because nothing is MORE unethical than wasting resources by killing/torturing a bunch of test subjects and researchers in poorly executed experiments in pursuit of a goal that was never going to be achieved anyways.* If you have good intentions, you would never intentionally do that. You would avoid that AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. *And that's the point of these games.* That no, you really shouldn't allow people with power to go around just doing shit unchecked because they feel like it. That no, you really shouldn't hurt people to achieve your goals. And that if someone with bad intentions can ruin THIS many lives... Maybe we should rethink our systems then, because the honor systems is bullshit. *You shouldn't trust authority when it hurts people, no matter how it tried to spin the story or what goal they're trying to achieve.* *No one isolates large groups of people while giving themselves absolute control over them and their right to life/die WITHOUT bad intentions.* There are better ways to achieve progress BOTH in terms of morality AND effectiveness. Ways that involves everyone having autonomy and a say in their society. *These tyrants were NEVER going to do better, otherwise they simply would have.* After all, they were the only person given the choice by their own design. They make them funny. They make them human. *But at the end of the day, it was inevitable that something would go wrong if one man could simply kill a fuck-ton of people on a whim.* *And the types of people who want that power are NOT going to be the types of people you WANT having that power.* *So it shouldn't exist.* Having a God/Savior complex while torturing people to death to achieve your own aspirations isn't the result of "good intentions", it's the result of systematic narcissistic abuse. You can't simultaneously be the all powerful God emperor AND just some little guy with big dreams who didn't mean anything by it. OwO When you give yourself ALL the power, your intentions become clear through how you use it and NOT whatever bullshit you keep telling yourself to justify it. Like legitimately, it's just narcissism and unfortunately that tactic is VERY effective even when you obviously make them the villian.
Except even in the beginning they were HEAVILY flawed. The latter being the MOST apparent. The working man is poor not because he pays his taxes to the government, _but because of the taxes he pays to his capitalist boss._ The poor are only poor because men like him use the labor of others to enrich themselves. And instead of actually improving the world, he built a rich underwater playground meant to be unreachable to most normal people. By ignoring the injustices of society and ignoring what makes humans human _(we're not the only intelligent animal, we're just the only intelligent animal that can work together to build cities)_ they BOTH were doomed from the outset. *I'd argue they never had morally good intentions, **_they just had intense/obsessive aspirations for what they considered scientific innovation._* They didn't want a world where everyone was better off, they just wanted more accomplishments under their belt and more knowledge they could claim credit for "discovering" _(even tho they actually didn't do 99.9999% of the work required for their success such as the construction of these underground/water complexes or most of the experiments conducted)._ I feel like the "good intentions" phrase is honestly abused to make actually abusive people seem better than they were, _including literally Hitler._ 💀 Edit: It also helps polish over just HOW MUCH credit they're stealing from those "beneath" them. If they were stranded on an island with all the natural resources they needed by themselves, *they would die of something before they mined even their first pound of iron **_LET ALONE smelted it._* *They were not self-made and they were not alone in their endeavors despite everything being made about them **_and most importantly what they WANTED from society._* They were selfish from the start and never really thought about the welfare or well-being of others if it didn't make them look better than everyone else. Edit 2: And this is ONLY about the two mentioned above, NOT Elliott Ludwig before people mention him creating the orphanage Playcare. I'm exclusively talking about the two with "good intentions" who were really selfish POS's from the start via their own admissions. *Irl they would be Elon Musk, Henry Ford, and Thomas Edison types who ALL have ties to N*zi political ideologies and most specifically anti-Semitism.* They do NOT have good intentions, they're just bad power seeking people who managed to accomplish _something_ on an engineering level but are mainly shady business men who hate human rights like labor rights.
The clear Portal inspiration behind Poppy is a huge chunk of why I've fallen so in love with the series, it's super exciting to hear it discussed more!
15:28 I have to comment on this theory and why I think Stella isn't poppy. Well, we know that poppy is one of the oldest toys if not one of the very first ones alongside the rat experiment, so if we said Stella is poppy then we are saying Stella died too many years ago which is completely false, we saw a VHS in chapter 3 that shows Stella was alive before the hour of joy, and when we do not know the timeline of that vhs it seems to be after mommy was created and mommy was created after poppy so it makes no sense at all. Either the Poppy we are interacting with is indeed Stella BUT that only could happen if she wasn't the original or the first version of Poppy that was created years ago
To be fair, we don't actually *know* Poppy was one of the earliest, we just assumed. Also, the tape in chapter 3 could be way before the hour of joy. To be entirely honest, very few things in PPT have a date, so there are lots of assumptions. Then there's also the chance that there are multiple poppies.
@Tericho what if when the original poppy was created it wasn't an actual human being? the company started with generic toys that had nothing to do with experimenting on people but then after that rat experiment Elliot started to get invested in the idea of creating living toys and he started it by using small parts of human bodies (which is why they found parts of a boy in Elliot's office), but then as Elliot died Harley decided to create a bigger version of Poppy by using Stella who didn't know anything about what happened. I think this may make a little bit of sense, but as you said we don't really know the full timeline of some events and when they occured
Also, we heard game station dialogue, Stella literally mentioned mommy long legs which is created in 1992. If Stella is poppy then she wouldn't be there barking in game station and called herself Stella. Her accent is also different, she has Dutch accent in her human self.
GLaDOS released the neurotoxin on 'bring your daughter to work day' and Chell is implied to have been the adopted daughter of one of the employees of Aperture Science (there's even a theory that Ratmann was her adopted father). That could be something to think about in relation to Poppy...
It happened on bring your cat to work day. Wheatly Only says that an incident happened. And in the comic was when GLaDOS released the neurotoxin during bring your cat to work day.
Tericho...My man you were already my favorite lore channel, then you had to go and call Portal 2 the greatest game of all time. And ACTUALLY PRONOUNCE GLaDOS' name PROPERLY. I am already subscribed, and I want to subscribe again. ((I wish youtube had a photo attachment option - because I'd show you my GLaDOS tattoo haha!!)) I've been on the edge of my chair waiting for new content from you, and THIS was well worth the wait, cheers!
As far as I can remember, Portal was the first game I ever went down the rabbit hole on, I am also fairly certain it was how I stumbled across MatPat with his theory on the companion cubes. I Love the series! Sad we will probably never get a Portal 3. Thank you for the kind words though! *Also I have pretty much all the socials if you wanted to find me somewhere!
Holy cow i never knew a freaking lemon would get us this deeper into the story. Craziest theory I've seen so far. But at the end of the day, its just a theory. Good job tericho.
This was so worth the wait, not only have I just learned about BioShock lore and the game itself, but I’ve also been opened up to the theory of the lemon! Having multiple universes like PPT, BioShock, and Portal being connected would be absolutely amazing as well. Also the fact that you can make an entire theory based on a singular lemon and have major leads to what the future of PPT would be and who certain characters are is just golden
That explains why in the chapter one vhs intro, the announcer stated that Poppy is the FIRST truly intelligent doll in the world. She is basically hiding her intelligent side and only let us see what she wants us to see: an innocent doll who was forcibly locked in her case and wants revenge.
But poppy didn't guide us tho. First one we did it by ourselves. Second one we did most of the guilding cos poppy was caught. Third one Olly guilded us.
The people who called poppy playtime a fnaf clone, even when it was just chapter 1, probably need glasses. How the hell was it a fnaf clone when the only things the two have in common is mascots and dead kids ??? Frankly, it was more of a bendy clone
I feel a lot of people keep on forgetting Poppy was too happy to force the player to stay in the Factory, even though they were wanting to leave in Chapter 2, by forcefully changing the train tracks and eliminiating any possible ability the player can have to leave properly.
Kissy missy being the protector rather than huggy still ties to bioshock seeing in bio2 the big sisters where made as a more offense and ruthless protector to the lil sisters given how Adam obsessed the splicers are This video makes me hella happy coz I noticed the bioshock undertones because I love the story telling and world building in bioshock
Your content always amazes me. You really do go down rabbit holes that seem small but end up explaining and predicting things in ways I never would have though. I haven't watched anyone play bioshock or portal but now I'm intrigued. Thanks for the amazing content as usual Terry!
you have made some very good points for poppy betraying us , and that's why I don't buy it , It seems too obvious for mob they did things that seemed like setups for characters that went nowhere , for example bron had plenty of things pointing towards him being a boss and that went nowhere catbee also had some admittedly smaller bits pointing to her being a boss but still mob from what I've seen doesn't go for the obvious people thought it would be another typical mascot horror game with light horror then it's revealed that the organs of orphans are being used to create the living toys and they didn't only talk about the hour of joy like any other horror game would about it's horrific events they actually showed the hour of joy , the toys going on a rampage killing all in sight they like to subvert people's expectations , and that's why I think poppy will turn out to be genuinely good still a good theory though :D
"It's just a FNAF clone" Hmm does it feature you sitting in a office with a fan with a dude talking to you about animatronics that kill you Does it feature you having to close doors Does it feature a fan No, it features a lemon. No god, No king. Lemon. - Lemon.
22:00 hmmm... yes... sister location... like seriously all of his points can be wound all the way back to fnaf: sl, weren't we trying to get away from fnaf in the first place?
It'd be ridiculous if you actually managed to hit the nail on the head with this theory. And I don't know who drew him, but the chibi Tericho in the lower right is flipping adorable.
@@TerichoAnother theory of yours that carries even more validity is the one where you theorized the player was a toy. If you listen to the player's footsteps in this latest chapter, they sound off, not rubber sneakers on metal kind of sound. They sound like plastic or some other hard surface like fiberglass. The player may not be a toy, but they're not human either.
OMG!!! I BEEN WONDERING WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE P IN THE HOLE FOR PLAYTIME!!! AND YOU FOUND IT!!! ITS A PORTAL!!! I always thought Poppy playtime was similar to Portal and I thought this was obvious! Good job, Sir. Well done. Quality video.
This makes me so happy as Portal2 was my comfort game growing up. Chapter three made me think of portal2 sooo much, especially going into playcare, reminded me of the big testing areas with Cave ☺️
“Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!”
I loved bioshock and portal. Everything about both games were pleasing, and everytime I heard someone talk about the lemon in poppy playtime, I always thought back to Cave Johnson’s speech. Phenomenal theory tericho!
I ALWAYS KNEW IT HAD TO BE PORTAL / PORTAL 2!!! I always tought mommy looked like GLaDOS and when chapter 3 came out and the playcare.... Just looked like the testing chambers of the old aperture!!!
What about Ollie though? Cos he/she became another leader for the player in chapter 3. 22:11 I also want to say, this theory makes TOTAL sense, and I'm so glad you delved into it and shared it! Thank you Tericho!
As others have said, Poppy is definitely not Stella. I saw what you replied to the other comment with, saying that there could be multiple living Poppy’s and the one we meet isn’t the first, however the problem with that is Poppy’s scrapped dialogue for the Chapter 2 ending confirms that she is the first, saying that her being able to exist as a doll has killed a lot of people.
I have been looking forward to this since you started to mention it and it did not disappoint! I'll admit Stella as Poppy isn't my favorite theory (overall - I've heard it many places), but it is logical. And the implications from the other connections you made here are more interesting as well! Great job putting this together. Clearly it was a lot of work, and it made a great video!
I know they're older games but I would absolutely love to see you play though all these games! Idk if you have before or if you've done lore videos on them or anything but I'd still watch cause I love these games!
Also, no. 27:11 these are in no way similar enough to mean anything. No bows on any but poppy's dress, the non-poppy dresses aren't colours close to blue, they have poka-dots, the sleeves are different. I see absolutely 0 significance for that aspect of the characters. Also, children misspronounce words. It doesn't mean they have addled brains.
Duuuuude this is crazy. This is by far the craziest poppy playtime theory I’ve heard. I used to say that I don’t trust poppy but I also had my doubts, but now I am 101% sure she is not on our side. Props to you man, this definitely took an insane amount of time and brain cells. Seriously though, this is insane. I’m showing this to my friends, great job man.
14:11 So fun fact: Lemons didn’t grow from nature, it was made be humans… just like these experiments so maybe we shouldn’t be surprised be the connection between all of this LAMO- but seriously- I wonder if these game developers for P2 knew about the origins of lemons and Mobgames went “hehe lemon reference-“
At this point, I don't think there are any surviving orphans that weren't turned into toys. Unless there is a way to reverse the transformation, the only one who can be saved is the player character, provided they aren't a toy themselves.
The portal lemons where pretty naturally introduced in my opinion. "When life gives you lemons" is a well known phrase and portal 2 has humour as a major part of it, so going on a tangent about blowing up a house with lemons is pretty on-brand as a one time tangent of a dying man.
Interesting theory! The Bigger Bodies Initiative also is similar to how Big Daddies are made. Men were basically taken apart and grafted into the massive suit, and given special pheromones to bond with their assigned Little Sister. Little Sisters were usually chosen from an orphanage as well, and it's implied in Bioshock 2 that the big daddies was a forced procedure done on undesirables.
To this day, FNAF doesn't even know what game it wants to be lol The lore is great and all but the games are just MEH when compared to what Poppy is doing.
In Poppy playtime on multiple occasions we have been introduced to the concept that living toys were hallucinating a different world than it was in reality. Living a lie. Maybe the player is also convinced that he's an ex-employee but in fact he never left the facility, he was made there, perhaps resurrected dead employee or a child? He's also kind of short and he's "perfect"... By the way, this hour of joy was kind of overly emotionally explained to us by Poppy and a bit like 'in your face'. Also, the added dialog from Ollie after defeating catnap sounds a bit like he was jealous, 'oh you have defeated catnap, you must be very proud of yourself... 🙄'. And maybe it's a game, these are toys after all. Get to the prototype and kill it. Dying, failing and not even remembering that it happened several times already. I'm really curious how it will continue to develop, there's a potential
I find this very interesting with the similarities that Poppy Playtime shares with Bioshock and Portal as I love how with Chapter 3 the similarities are very apparent with the introduction to Playcare that parodies the introduction to Rapture in Bioshock along with consciousness transfer of humans into toys like how GLADOS' consciousness was transferred into an robotic body in PORTAL.
I will admit, I was thinking this was an early April Fool's video for the first few minutes... but then the links started really showing up. Wow. Those are some strong ties to Portal and Bioshock! Makes me really curious now about Poppy and who the Player is.
All I can say is I HOPE they're not using other games as influence, because at that point, it stops being original. Portal 2 in particular was crap. Boring game with easy puzzles and a villain that got old in the first 4 minutes. Bio Shock was OK in the first game, but the story wasn't brilliant, especially when it reached the multiverse/time travel nonsense. At the current time, I trust Poppy more than prototype and I'm 80% certain ollie is the prototype manipulating both us and Poppy. Not ruling out Poppy as a villain, but the tone and the verbal cues delivering the lines, that leads me to believe Poppy is most likely to be good because she has actually shown compassion and concern for others. The prototype, not so much.
Gosh I LOVE Portal and Bioshock! And now I have a new appreciation for Poppy Playtime and can’t wait to see what they continue to do with the narrative. Also, I have to share this, the novel “Rapture” by John Shirley is an AMAZING (in my humble opinion) prequel to the Bioshock games. I highly recommend it!
The $60 thing was in the 60's if i recall correctly when Aperture had minimal funds (in Portal 2 you go through the Enrichment center through various ages/decades, each denoted by unique font and styles of the equipment being used.
The moment in Chapter 2 when you escape Pugapillar and cross a gap is an exact reiteration of Portal 2 'This is the part where he kills you'. That being said, you greatly forgot my boi Wheatley in your equation. Glados might have taunted us with freedom, she gave it to us in the end, while Wheatley promised to help us and finally did worse than her. I see the two-sided dynamic here between Team Poppy and Team Prototype. But I can do you one better, the last tape from Chapter 1 is an hommage to the first Pokemon movie 'Mewtwo strikes back', where they attempted to create the strongest artificial pokemon alife and also tortured it, not acknowledging it's great sentience. "I am not worried about myself, one breakthrough and I am back." it sounds more like they were searching for eternal life, further amplified by Stella's ramblings in that chapter about eternal childhood. Oh btw. We know Mommy Longlegs was walking around Playcare, who says that Poppy did not? She being Stella and head of something does not bite with being a doll. We even see depictions of Poppy with wrench and worker's head. She might have continued her position as a toy. When will you put out your Poppy Playtime Second World War theory? Thanks for the video and the throwback, good work as always!
It was never a FNAF clone, it always felt like a BIOSHOCK/SYSTEM SHOCK horror type ripoff in its playstyle. story wise, yes.. sounds very similar to FNAF. That's IMHO. Also nice matching with PORTAL. I agree about you on the similarities of the business itself. Portal was def one of the most innovative and interesting games by Valve.
Caroline was portal 2 not bioshock, little script accident there @25:05 And hearing all of these stories side by side just reminds me of the Ozymandias poem
Fantastic theory, Apart from already thinking you meant Portal when you said about lemons I hadn't thought about all the other similarities. I also realise I'm a sucker for a game with looooorrrreeee!!!
There is one more aspect that POTENTIALLY connects these three games. Family. In Bioshock, Jack is Andrew's son. There is a strong theory that the protagonist of Portal 2, Chell, is in fact the daughter of Johnson and Caroline. They are both victims of their own parents' experiments. So maybe the main character of Poppy Playtime is much more and more deeply connected to Elliot Ludwig and, for example, Stella...? And he himself is a victim of some ongoing experiment/manipulation...?
1:22 _"I am not a king, I am not a god, I AM..."_
limón :D
30:42 Holy shit, it's basically Canon Events from Spider-Verse 🤯🤯🤯
I named my cat Limón si when I saw your comment I imagined my cat saying this and almost lost a lung laughing 😹
God didnt make lemons, we made lemons... TAKE THAT GOD!
@@Kolljak
_"Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"_
-Cave Johnson - Portal 2
@@-.SpaceNoah.-
Limón the cat
Can I see a picture of him/her? It's okay if you don't want to tho
First the cake. Now the lemon? Is nothing sacred anymore
What's the cake I haven't heard of it
Y'all can keep your cakes and lemons, but touch my PIZZA and there will be WAR!
@@kaplasquad The cake of Portal.
what does bioshock have that’s similar to the lemons speach and the cake?
We humans can find a way to ruin a glass of water.
Bet you didn't expect a Starfield reference... huh?
I agree with everything except Poppy being Stella. Stella was still well, "human" during the time when Mommy was created, which would mean the Poppy couldn't exist AFTER that. This also doesn't make sense, because it was technically Poppy's success (in bringing her to life) that led into the other experiments, and then the BBI.
Edit: thanks for the likes.
Who's to say there weren't multiple Poppies? She could be another iteration.
@@Metalkattoccams razor
This might be a mega stretch but I wonder if it’s something similar to Golden Freddy in Fnaf, where you have two human souls inhabiting the same body. It would help explain the drastic personality change from Poppy in Chapter 2. But I’m not sure there’s enough evidence to back this up.
@@Metalkatt we know for a fact the Poppy we meet is the original one, and if not, why was she locked up..? And then how could’ve the company dwell into the experiments in the first place..?
@@Metalkattbut if that’s the case then her office and her department name should’ve been replace in the Playcare section as well as the her tunnel slide in Chapter 2
If you wanna draw up another connection between Portal 2 and Poppy Playtime, we're also being led to the final boss (Glados and the Prototype) by someone who is part of the facility and also wants to stop the final boss (Wheatley and Poppy) but end up betraying us after we defeat the final boss. If this goes how I assume, it's possible Poppy is gonna follow a similar route to Wheatley
I don't think Poppy is gonna betray us.
Poppy is definitely gonna betray us. I honestly think she's the real villain and The Prototype is actually good. Just the Prototype sees us as the bad one since we were once a worker and we're with Poppy.
I wondered if the prototype & poppy r actually good and the protagonist is actually the villian or their just all evil and it's the matter of lesser evils
I highly doubt the prototype is good though-
@@abiliv-lf9tz I think Poppy is the villain tbh
Then that means we will most likely be reinstating the Prototype back in its place and then the Proto will let us leave
2007: The cake is a lie
2024: The lemon is a lie
2041: the burger is a lie
"Poppy Playtime is copying FNAF." Poppy Playtime is about a kids/humans being experimented on, their organs being put inside a toy. Fnaf is about a trapped kids souls inside animatronics
I agree that pp isnt copying fnaf but you said the same thing for both of them bro 💀
they do have bendy’s chapter thing
That is basically the same thing
@@TinyBearTimI am 99% sure it is actually a nazi rip-off since, kids on gas, a non-god being treated like one, and of course experiments are all in common, with both, oh fuck poppy playtime is a allusion to ww2.
"Inspiration exist plus it's true both of them have the kid's mascot thing but there's way to many difference's and purpose so not really
And both of them have completely different stories
You see the lemon after you escape someone or something like you see the lemon after u escape huggy and you seethe lemonadeposter after you escape the playhouse, you see lemons after you save your life, my theory is that it's paying homage to the phrase "when life gives you lemons"
for cave johnson and andrew ryan they embody the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" both started down the path of trying to do good but both ended up in a living hell.
Except no.
Because if they truly had good intentions then they wouldn't have murdered people the moment they had the power to bring those intentions to fruition.
If I want to save animals, I won't torture them until they die and honestly awful experiments whose data is borderline unusable BECAUSE of how unnecessarily dangerous they are.
Unwilling participants fuck with results.
Unnecessary amounts of increased stressed and danger (aka, uncontrollable variables) also fuck with results.
A MASSIVE part of ethics is simply asking:
Is this necessary?
Is this useful?
Is this being done consistently and in a way that ensures successful data collection??
Are we maintaining necessary quality control within the research environment??
Are we ensuring everyone involved is willing to participate???
Are people going to be dying, thus leading to setbacks???
Is the original idea even based on pre-existing proven research???
Or is this a wild goose chase that will take money and resources, including the participating parties, away from much more viable and sound projects?
*Because nothing is MORE unethical than wasting resources by killing/torturing a bunch of test subjects and researchers in poorly executed experiments in pursuit of a goal that was never going to be achieved anyways.*
If you have good intentions, you would never intentionally do that.
You would avoid that AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
*And that's the point of these games.*
That no, you really shouldn't allow people with power to go around just doing shit unchecked because they feel like it.
That no, you really shouldn't hurt people to achieve your goals.
And that if someone with bad intentions can ruin THIS many lives...
*Maybe we should rethink our systems then, because the honor systems is bullshit.*
You shouldn't trust authority, no matter how it tried to spin the story.
*No one isolates large groups of people while giving themselves absolute control over them and their right to life/die WITHOUT bad intentions.*
There are better ways to achieve progress BOTH in terms of morality AND effectiveness.
Ways that involves everyone having autonomy and a say in their society.
*These tyrants were NEVER going to do better, otherwise they simply would have.*
They make them funny.
They make them human.
*But at the end of the day, it was inevitable that something would go wrong if one man could simply kill a fuck-ton of people on a whim.*
*And the types of people who want that power are NOT going to be the types of people you WANT having that power.*
*So it shouldn't exist.*
Having a God/Savior complex while torturing people to death to achieve your own aspirations isn't the result of "good intentions", it's the result of systematic narcissistic abuse.
Except no.
Because if they truly had good intentions then they wouldn't have murdered people the moment they had the power to bring those intentions to fruition.
If I want to save animals, I won't torture them until they die and honestly awful experiments whose data is borderline unusable BECAUSE of how unnecessarily dangerous they are.
Unwilling participants fuck with results.
Unnecessary amounts of increased stressed and danger (aka, uncontrollable variables) also fuck with results.
A MASSIVE part of ethics is simply asking:
Is this necessary?
Is this useful?
Is this being done consistently and in a way that ensures successful data collection??
Are we maintaining necessary quality control within the research environment??
Are we ensuring everyone involved is willing to participate???
Are people going to be dying, thus leading to setbacks???
Is the original idea even based on pre-existing proven research???
Or is this a wild goose chase that will take money and resources, including the participating parties, away from much more viable and sound projects?
*Because nothing is MORE unethical than wasting resources by killing/torturing a bunch of test subjects and researchers in poorly executed experiments in pursuit of a goal that was never going to be achieved anyways.*
If you have good intentions, you would never intentionally do that.
You would avoid that AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
*And that's the point of these games.*
That no, you really shouldn't allow people with power to go around just doing shit unchecked because they feel like it.
That no, you really shouldn't hurt people to achieve your goals.
And that if someone with bad intentions can ruin THIS many lives...
Maybe we should rethink our systems then, because the honor systems is bullshit.
*You shouldn't trust authority when it hurts people, no matter how it tried to spin the story or what goal they're trying to achieve.*
*No one isolates large groups of people while giving themselves absolute control over them and their right to life/die WITHOUT bad intentions.*
There are better ways to achieve progress BOTH in terms of morality AND effectiveness.
Ways that involves everyone having autonomy and a say in their society.
*These tyrants were NEVER going to do better, otherwise they simply would have.*
After all, they were the only person given the choice by their own design.
They make them funny.
They make them human.
*But at the end of the day, it was inevitable that something would go wrong if one man could simply kill a fuck-ton of people on a whim.*
*And the types of people who want that power are NOT going to be the types of people you WANT having that power.*
*So it shouldn't exist.*
Having a God/Savior complex while torturing people to death to achieve your own aspirations isn't the result of "good intentions", it's the result of systematic narcissistic abuse.
You can't simultaneously be the all powerful God emperor AND just some little guy with big dreams who didn't mean anything by it. OwO
When you give yourself ALL the power, your intentions become clear through how you use it and NOT whatever bullshit you keep telling yourself to justify it.
Like legitimately, it's just narcissism and unfortunately that tactic is VERY effective even when you obviously make them the villian.
Except even in the beginning they were HEAVILY flawed.
The latter being the MOST apparent.
The working man is poor not because he pays his taxes to the government, _but because of the taxes he pays to his capitalist boss._
The poor are only poor because men like him use the labor of others to enrich themselves.
And instead of actually improving the world, he built a rich underwater playground meant to be unreachable to most normal people.
By ignoring the injustices of society and ignoring what makes humans human _(we're not the only intelligent animal, we're just the only intelligent animal that can work together to build cities)_ they BOTH were doomed from the outset.
*I'd argue they never had morally good intentions, **_they just had intense/obsessive aspirations for what they considered scientific innovation._*
They didn't want a world where everyone was better off, they just wanted more accomplishments under their belt and more knowledge they could claim credit for "discovering" _(even tho they actually didn't do 99.9999% of the work required for their success such as the construction of these underground/water complexes or most of the experiments conducted)._
I feel like the "good intentions" phrase is honestly abused to make actually abusive people seem better than they were, _including literally Hitler._ 💀
Edit: It also helps polish over just HOW MUCH credit they're stealing from those "beneath" them.
If they were stranded on an island with all the natural resources they needed by themselves, *they would die of something before they mined even their first pound of iron **_LET ALONE smelted it._*
*They were not self-made and they were not alone in their endeavors despite everything being made about them **_and most importantly what they WANTED from society._*
They were selfish from the start and never really thought about the welfare or well-being of others if it didn't make them look better than everyone else.
Edit 2: And this is ONLY about the two mentioned above, NOT Elliott Ludwig before people mention him creating the orphanage Playcare.
I'm exclusively talking about the two with "good intentions" who were really selfish POS's from the start via their own admissions.
*Irl they would be Elon Musk, Henry Ford, and Thomas Edison types who ALL have ties to N*zi political ideologies and most specifically anti-Semitism.*
They do NOT have good intentions, they're just bad power seeking people who managed to accomplish _something_ on an engineering level but are mainly shady business men who hate human rights like labor rights.
The clear Portal inspiration behind Poppy is a huge chunk of why I've fallen so in love with the series, it's super exciting to hear it discussed more!
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I have to comment on this theory and why I think Stella isn't poppy. Well, we know that poppy is one of the oldest toys if not one of the very first ones alongside the rat experiment, so if we said Stella is poppy then we are saying Stella died too many years ago which is completely false, we saw a VHS in chapter 3 that shows Stella was alive before the hour of joy, and when we do not know the timeline of that vhs it seems to be after mommy was created and mommy was created after poppy so it makes no sense at all. Either the Poppy we are interacting with is indeed Stella BUT that only could happen if she wasn't the original or the first version of Poppy that was created years ago
To be fair, we don't actually *know* Poppy was one of the earliest, we just assumed. Also, the tape in chapter 3 could be way before the hour of joy. To be entirely honest, very few things in PPT have a date, so there are lots of assumptions.
Then there's also the chance that there are multiple poppies.
@Tericho what if when the original poppy was created it wasn't an actual human being? the company started with generic toys that had nothing to do with experimenting on people but then after that rat experiment Elliot started to get invested in the idea of creating living toys and he started it by using small parts of human bodies (which is why they found parts of a boy in Elliot's office), but then as Elliot died Harley decided to create a bigger version of Poppy by using Stella who didn't know anything about what happened. I think this may make a little bit of sense, but as you said we don't really know the full timeline of some events and when they occured
Also, we heard game station dialogue, Stella literally mentioned mommy long legs which is created in 1992.
If Stella is poppy then she wouldn't be there barking in game station and called herself Stella. Her accent is also different, she has Dutch accent in her human self.
@@threetooneeElliot Ludwig died?
@@Terichoyes but we did technically find out when Poppy was made from the uh NFTs..on the back of it it says Poppy was made in 1950
GLaDOS released the neurotoxin on 'bring your daughter to work day' and Chell is implied to have been the adopted daughter of one of the employees of Aperture Science (there's even a theory that Ratmann was her adopted father). That could be something to think about in relation to Poppy...
It happened on bring your cat to work day. Wheatly Only says that an incident happened. And in the comic was when GLaDOS released the neurotoxin during bring your cat to work day.
33:04 nice bioshock refrence
"Give me ur life for science!!! "
"Um no thanks"
"We'll give u chocolate cake :D! "
"Deal."
"Not FNAF, but some of the greatest games of all time..." Ouch!
Hahaha it wasn't meant that way. But yeah, for me Portal and Bioshock are up there as some of the GOATs.
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The developers seeing him making a half hour long theory on their placeholder:
Write that down! Write that down!
Tericho...My man you were already my favorite lore channel, then you had to go and call Portal 2 the greatest game of all time. And ACTUALLY PRONOUNCE GLaDOS' name PROPERLY.
I am already subscribed, and I want to subscribe again.
((I wish youtube had a photo attachment option - because I'd show you my GLaDOS tattoo haha!!))
I've been on the edge of my chair waiting for new content from you, and THIS was well worth the wait, cheers!
As far as I can remember, Portal was the first game I ever went down the rabbit hole on, I am also fairly certain it was how I stumbled across MatPat with his theory on the companion cubes. I Love the series! Sad we will probably never get a Portal 3.
Thank you for the kind words though!
*Also I have pretty much all the socials if you wanted to find me somewhere!
@@Tericho I believe I found ya on Twitter ^^
Holy cow i never knew a freaking lemon would get us this deeper into the story. Craziest theory I've seen so far. But at the end of the day, its just a theory. Good job tericho.
This was so worth the wait, not only have I just learned about BioShock lore and the game itself, but I’ve also been opened up to the theory of the lemon! Having multiple universes like PPT, BioShock, and Portal being connected would be absolutely amazing as well. Also the fact that you can make an entire theory based on a singular lemon and have major leads to what the future of PPT would be and who certain characters are is just golden
That explains why in the chapter one vhs intro, the announcer stated that Poppy is the FIRST truly intelligent doll in the world. She is basically hiding her intelligent side and only let us see what she wants us to see: an innocent doll who was forcibly locked in her case and wants revenge.
But poppy didn't guide us tho. First one we did it by ourselves. Second one we did most of the guilding cos poppy was caught. Third one Olly guilded us.
The people who called poppy playtime a fnaf clone, even when it was just chapter 1, probably need glasses.
How the hell was it a fnaf clone when the only things the two have in common is mascots and dead kids ???
Frankly, it was more of a bendy clone
Never found it the same as ether one at all.
I feel a lot of people keep on forgetting Poppy was too happy to force the player to stay in the Factory, even though they were wanting to leave in Chapter 2, by forcefully changing the train tracks and eliminiating any possible ability the player can have to leave properly.
B-but lemon is life, lemon is love 😢
Kissy missy being the protector rather than huggy still ties to bioshock seeing in bio2 the big sisters where made as a more offense and ruthless protector to the lil sisters given how Adam obsessed the splicers are
This video makes me hella happy coz I noticed the bioshock undertones because I love the story telling and world building in bioshock
Your content always amazes me. You really do go down rabbit holes that seem small but end up explaining and predicting things in ways I never would have though. I haven't watched anyone play bioshock or portal but now I'm intrigued. Thanks for the amazing content as usual Terry!
you have made some very good points for poppy betraying us , and that's why I don't buy it , It seems too
obvious
for mob
they did things that seemed like setups for characters that went nowhere , for example
bron had plenty of things pointing towards him being a boss
and that went nowhere
catbee also had some admittedly smaller bits pointing to her being a boss but still
mob from what I've seen doesn't go for the obvious
people thought it would be another typical mascot horror game with light horror
then it's revealed that the organs of orphans are being used to create the living toys
and they didn't only talk about the hour of joy like any other horror game would about it's horrific events
they actually showed the hour of joy , the toys going on a rampage killing all in sight
they like to subvert people's expectations , and that's why I think poppy will turn out to be genuinely good
still a good theory though :D
"It's just a FNAF clone"
Hmm does it feature you sitting in a office with a fan with a dude talking to you about animatronics that kill you
Does it feature you having to close doors
Does it feature a fan
No, it features a lemon.
No god, No king.
Lemon.
- Lemon.
not the lemon!
Not the lemon 😭
Edit : holy sh** this theory is actually crazy good 💀
ok
stop doing "edit:"
@@The_Real_Mini what you gonna do about it ?
@@The_Real_Minibuddy he can write whatever he wants
22:00 hmmm... yes... sister location... like seriously all of his points can be wound all the way back to fnaf: sl, weren't we trying to get away from fnaf in the first place?
It'd be ridiculous if you actually managed to hit the nail on the head with this theory.
And I don't know who drew him, but the chibi Tericho in the lower right is flipping adorable.
Haha the lower right is actually one of my Twitch emotes that I repurposed!
@@TerichoAnother theory of yours that carries even more validity is the one where you theorized the player was a toy. If you listen to the player's footsteps in this latest chapter, they sound off, not rubber sneakers on metal kind of sound. They sound like plastic or some other hard surface like fiberglass. The player may not be a toy, but they're not human either.
OMG!!! I BEEN WONDERING WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE P IN THE HOLE FOR PLAYTIME!!! AND YOU FOUND IT!!! ITS A PORTAL!!! I always thought Poppy playtime was similar to Portal and I thought this was obvious! Good job, Sir. Well done. Quality video.
This makes me so happy as Portal2 was my comfort game growing up. Chapter three made me think of portal2 sooo much, especially going into playcare, reminded me of the big testing areas with Cave ☺️
“Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!”
This theory is fantastic. You’ve been working on this one for a minute, haven’t you? Excellent job, can’t wait to share it.
It has been weeks! I am so glad you enjoyed it!
I loved bioshock and portal. Everything about both games were pleasing, and everytime I heard someone talk about the lemon in poppy playtime, I always thought back to Cave Johnson’s speech. Phenomenal theory tericho!
The lemon is too strong!
I ALWAYS KNEW IT HAD TO BE PORTAL / PORTAL 2!!! I always tought mommy looked like GLaDOS and when chapter 3 came out and the playcare.... Just looked like the testing chambers of the old aperture!!!
33:04 I see you, Tericho… don’t think this went unnoticed by us haha
What about Ollie though? Cos he/she became another leader for the player in chapter 3. 22:11
I also want to say, this theory makes TOTAL sense, and I'm so glad you delved into it and shared it! Thank you Tericho!
I have become addicted to your channel in the last few weeks. Just the way you think of things is very interesting and your voice is amazing 🥰
Thank you! I am so glad you enjoy the content!
WOOHOO THE LEMON THEORY!! ive been do excited for this one
2007: The Cake Is a Lie! Portal
2024: The Lemon is a Lie! Poppy Playtime
I am absolutely impressed on how you did this. Keep up the good work Tericho🔥😀
Tericho, there is someone stronger than the prototype it is LIMON
The fact that a lemon made one of your biggest theories 😂😂😂😂
Lemons don't exists and can't hurt me 😱😨
Wow this video has surprisingly low views. Great video!!
As others have said, Poppy is definitely not Stella. I saw what you replied to the other comment with, saying that there could be multiple living Poppy’s and the one we meet isn’t the first, however the problem with that is Poppy’s scrapped dialogue for the Chapter 2 ending confirms that she is the first, saying that her being able to exist as a doll has killed a lot of people.
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Limón :D
¿Limón?
"Would you kindly leave this video a like?"
Me: **grins and does so because how can one not?**
A man chooses. A UA-cam viewer obeys.
@@Tericho Ahh, but I did choose, for how can one prove otherwise? ^_~
“No gods or kings only man” - Andrew Ryan
I really enjoyed watching this video! Please make videos like this.
Oh, I saw this right away, underground bunker, a singular man with a vision, a sentient being controlling everything making your life hell.
I have been looking forward to this since you started to mention it and it did not disappoint!
I'll admit Stella as Poppy isn't my favorite theory (overall - I've heard it many places), but it is logical. And the implications from the other connections you made here are more interesting as well!
Great job putting this together. Clearly it was a lot of work, and it made a great video!
THE LEMON THEORY! *finaly! :D*
lol imagine if the most important theory of poppy playtime was called "the lemon theory"
I know they're older games but I would absolutely love to see you play though all these games! Idk if you have before or if you've done lore videos on them or anything but I'd still watch cause I love these games!
I have streamed Bioshock on Twitch before. But if nothing else, this video has made me really want to branch out a bit more again this year!
Also, no. 27:11 these are in no way similar enough to mean anything. No bows on any but poppy's dress, the non-poppy dresses aren't colours close to blue, they have poka-dots, the sleeves are different. I see absolutely 0 significance for that aspect of the characters. Also, children misspronounce words. It doesn't mean they have addled brains.
When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, tell life to TAKE THE LEMONS BACK.Get mad, Say: "I don't want your stupid lemons !"
- Portal 2
9:11 Bill
25:05 "Caroline in Bioshock"
Lol script error
This video was amazing tho
Duuuuude this is crazy.
This is by far the craziest poppy playtime theory I’ve heard.
I used to say that I don’t trust poppy but I also had my doubts, but now I am 101% sure she is not on our side.
Props to you man, this definitely took an insane amount of time and brain cells. Seriously though, this is insane.
I’m showing this to my friends, great job man.
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So fun fact: Lemons didn’t grow from nature, it was made be humans… just like these experiments so maybe we shouldn’t be surprised be the connection between all of this LAMO- but seriously- I wonder if these game developers for P2 knew about the origins of lemons and Mobgames went “hehe lemon reference-“
At this point, I don't think there are any surviving orphans that weren't turned into toys. Unless there is a way to reverse the transformation, the only one who can be saved is the player character, provided they aren't a toy themselves.
Thanks to you, I had a hankering to pull out the ole Bioshock, so thanks for that, I reckon:)
Enjoy! I loved the excuse to play through again!
The portal lemons where pretty naturally introduced in my opinion. "When life gives you lemons" is a well known phrase and portal 2 has humour as a major part of it, so going on a tangent about blowing up a house with lemons is pretty on-brand as a one time tangent of a dying man.
love your vids tericho! you have so many great and interesting theories!
*le gasp* a limeon!
Interesting theory! The Bigger Bodies Initiative also is similar to how Big Daddies are made. Men were basically taken apart and grafted into the massive suit, and given special pheromones to bond with their assigned Little Sister. Little Sisters were usually chosen from an orphanage as well, and it's implied in Bioshock 2 that the big daddies was a forced procedure done on undesirables.
this theory was amazing!
To this day, FNAF doesn't even know what game it wants to be lol The lore is great and all but the games are just MEH when compared to what Poppy is doing.
lemon. A LEMON. he got all that from a lemon, there is a reason i am not a theory youtuber.
In Poppy playtime on multiple occasions we have been introduced to the concept that living toys were hallucinating a different world than it was in reality. Living a lie. Maybe the player is also convinced that he's an ex-employee but in fact he never left the facility, he was made there, perhaps resurrected dead employee or a child? He's also kind of short and he's "perfect"... By the way, this hour of joy was kind of overly emotionally explained to us by Poppy and a bit like 'in your face'. Also, the added dialog from Ollie after defeating catnap sounds a bit like he was jealous, 'oh you have defeated catnap, you must be very proud of yourself... 🙄'. And maybe it's a game, these are toys after all. Get to the prototype and kill it. Dying, failing and not even remembering that it happened several times already. I'm really curious how it will continue to develop, there's a potential
I love ur content so much tericho! Also limon!
FINALLY I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
the wait was ABSOLUTELY worth it :) Maybe, we play as "the girl"
I find this very interesting with the similarities that Poppy Playtime shares with Bioshock and Portal as I love how with Chapter 3 the similarities are very apparent with the introduction to Playcare that parodies the introduction to Rapture in Bioshock along with consciousness transfer of humans into toys like how GLADOS' consciousness was transferred into an robotic body in PORTAL.
I love how all of these stories are a new version of "Frankenstein"! ❤️
I will admit, I was thinking this was an early April Fool's video for the first few minutes... but then the links started really showing up. Wow. Those are some strong ties to Portal and Bioshock! Makes me really curious now about Poppy and who the Player is.
Valve confirmed chell and glados are in a "romantic" relationship, so maybe the player has some deep relationship in some way with the prototipe.
“A zesty, citrus fruit” 😈💀
To be honest I thought it was pretty obvious they took inspiration from Portal.
Everyone’s mentioning it’s similarities to bioshock, but not noticing how that’s all based off Disney
Another great video. I heard what you did at the end of the video. Lol " would you kindly" .. well played.
Get your snaks and drinks checked ✔️ ✅️
"And one of the lemons turned out to have a pulling pin. Oh no..."
"I'm going to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon, THAT BURNS YOUR HOUSE DOWN!!!"
I don't recall FNAF having a vent chase and finding a creepy doll trapped in a case.
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All I can say is I HOPE they're not using other games as influence, because at that point, it stops being original. Portal 2 in particular was crap. Boring game with easy puzzles and a villain that got old in the first 4 minutes. Bio Shock was OK in the first game, but the story wasn't brilliant, especially when it reached the multiverse/time travel nonsense.
At the current time, I trust Poppy more than prototype and I'm 80% certain ollie is the prototype manipulating both us and Poppy. Not ruling out Poppy as a villain, but the tone and the verbal cues delivering the lines, that leads me to believe Poppy is most likely to be good because she has actually shown compassion and concern for others. The prototype, not so much.
Gosh I LOVE Portal and Bioshock! And now I have a new appreciation for Poppy Playtime and can’t wait to see what they continue to do with the narrative. Also, I have to share this, the novel “Rapture” by John Shirley is an AMAZING (in my humble opinion) prequel to the Bioshock games. I highly recommend it!
The $60 thing was in the 60's if i recall correctly when Aperture had minimal funds (in Portal 2 you go through the Enrichment center through various ages/decades, each denoted by unique font and styles of the equipment being used.
The moment in Chapter 2 when you escape Pugapillar and cross a gap is an exact reiteration of Portal 2 'This is the part where he kills you'. That being said, you greatly forgot my boi Wheatley in your equation. Glados might have taunted us with freedom, she gave it to us in the end, while Wheatley promised to help us and finally did worse than her. I see the two-sided dynamic here between Team Poppy and Team Prototype.
But I can do you one better, the last tape from Chapter 1 is an hommage to the first Pokemon movie 'Mewtwo strikes back', where they attempted to create the strongest artificial pokemon alife and also tortured it, not acknowledging it's great sentience. "I am not worried about myself, one breakthrough and I am back." it sounds more like they were searching for eternal life, further amplified by Stella's ramblings in that chapter about eternal childhood. Oh btw. We know Mommy Longlegs was walking around Playcare, who says that Poppy did not? She being Stella and head of something does not bite with being a doll. We even see depictions of Poppy with wrench and worker's head. She might have continued her position as a toy.
When will you put out your Poppy Playtime Second World War theory?
Thanks for the video and the throwback, good work as always!
Definitely a stretch... But that's why I subscribed.
The Truth is Out There🛸
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It was never a FNAF clone, it always felt like a BIOSHOCK/SYSTEM SHOCK horror type ripoff in its playstyle. story wise, yes.. sounds very similar to FNAF. That's IMHO.
Also nice matching with PORTAL. I agree about you on the similarities of the business itself.
Portal was def one of the most innovative and interesting games by Valve.
Uhh Nurse. Here he goes again making theories about lemons…
Caroline was portal 2 not bioshock, little script accident there @25:05
And hearing all of these stories side by side just reminds me of the Ozymandias poem
Oops, you know what I meant
This video was amazing great job!
Fantastic theory, Apart from already thinking you meant Portal when you said about lemons I hadn't thought about all the other similarities. I also realise I'm a sucker for a game with looooorrrreeee!!!
Glados hyping that dude up and going "oh i like this guy" makes me like her even more
There is one more aspect that POTENTIALLY connects these three games. Family. In Bioshock, Jack is Andrew's son. There is a strong theory that the protagonist of Portal 2, Chell, is in fact the daughter of Johnson and Caroline. They are both victims of their own parents' experiments. So maybe the main character of Poppy Playtime is much more and more deeply connected to Elliot Ludwig and, for example, Stella...? And he himself is a victim of some ongoing experiment/manipulation...?