'We've got a cow to shoot next': What death in farming really looks like | Human Animal

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  • Опубліковано 1 лис 2021
  • The Guardian's Richard Sprenger steps inside a farm, an abattoir and a knackers yard to see how the industry deals with dead and dying animals, and what that says about our own humanity.
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    The welfare of farm animals is well regulated in the UK, but in many cases these animals still suffer traumatic, messy deaths through sickness, injury or the lengthy process that leads to the abattoir. It’s an area of farming that we rarely think about, let alone see - but the safe disposal of carcasses takes many forms
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  • @timsmith3689
    @timsmith3689 Рік тому +219

    Let's not kid ourselves. At the end of our life someone driving a vehicle will be getting a phone call and we will also be put in the back and taken away..

    • @GorgyPorgy65
      @GorgyPorgy65 3 місяці тому +4

      Hopefully when we fall over and struggling to get back on our feet, we won't have him put a bolt in our brain ?

    • @mariemccann5895
      @mariemccann5895 3 місяці тому +1

      @@GorgyPorgy65 That's what they do in UK care homes.

    • @ddhqj2023
      @ddhqj2023 3 місяці тому +5

      But in the meantime, we have personal agency, can do what we chose to do, go where we chose to go and there are laws to protect our lives and well being to the highest extent possible. And we are generally speaking, cared for in our old age to enable us to end our lives peacefully, with as little pain as possible and our loved ones around us. That is most certainly not the case for the animals you eat and that I used to eat decades ago. Massive difference which belies the effort to diminish the brutality of the meat/dairy industry.

    • @toddberkely6791
      @toddberkely6791 2 місяці тому

      @@GorgyPorgy65 hahaha for now

    • @homosexualbiologicalmaleexit
      @homosexualbiologicalmaleexit Місяць тому +1

      that why it should care about each chicken and cow to try to get it back to be alive and not get slaughtered , then is being surprised when they bring laboratory meat to replace the cruelty which happen in the farm so expect masive amount laboratory meat because i am not gonna accept criminality not even for food

  • @viarnay
    @viarnay Рік тому +114

    For those who say "this stuff doent happen in the wild" just watch hienas eating alive a pregnant zebra

  • @tbatz6574
    @tbatz6574 8 місяців тому +237

    As farmer myself reading through the comments I think it’s important to understand that as a public we have demanded and have a desire for cheep food. It doesn’t matter if you are plant based or a meat eater all farms are under huge financial pressure to produce cheap food all year round! Which as the tragic effect of pushing farms down more of a factory route just to survive. Which I personally hate to see. I think the fact is we need as consumers to take greater care of where we purchase our food & it certainly should be worth paying substantially more for.

    • @evil1by1
      @evil1by1 5 місяців тому +15

      Are you going to pay your workers substantially more wages so they can afford to pay substantially more to stay alive? You gonna pay substantially higher taxes to pay for the higher wages and higher food costs for the poorest citizens? You gonna pay substantially higher grain and hay prices to raise your bougie beef?
      No the bigger issue isnt what the consumer pays but the fact we've allowed a handful of companies to control our entire food ecosystem . They own the chicks and the grain and the seed and the processors and feedlots and distributors. Farmers shouldn't get pennies on the pound while ibp and Tyson make dollars and price the end product out of reach of so many, while simultaneously supporting regulations that prevent any real competition under the guise of food safely and biosecurity. Theres zero reason a farmer shouldn't be able to direct farm sales so long as the meat is processed in a licensed state facility or by a certified person. No reason a state inspected butcher shouldn't be allowed to sell across state lines. Farmers were killing market ready animals during covid while local slaughter houses stood empty and people went without for weeks at a time. All due to red tape. People had money and desire.. farmers had stock and processors had capacity but everything ground to a halt because ibp and Tyson set it that way.

    • @EzioAuditoreDaFirenze99
      @EzioAuditoreDaFirenze99 5 місяців тому +9

      ​@@evil1by1If you keep talking like that people might start to realise who our masters are...

    • @DonnaFernstrom
      @DonnaFernstrom 5 місяців тому +6

      @@evil1by1 Small correction. The 'bougie beef' as you put it don't eat grain. Grassfed is the way to go for healthy food, and feeding grain to cattle shouldn't be permitted for human health.

    • @dawn8542
      @dawn8542 4 місяці тому +1

      If people went plant based, the right farmers would get subsidies.

    • @michaelwalsh9145
      @michaelwalsh9145 3 місяці тому

      @@dawn8542livestock are part of the farming package returning organic matter to the soil and using land that can’t grow arable crops your plant based nonsense is a pipe dream.

  • @conjoe176
    @conjoe176 Рік тому +54

    One thing people may note is that the man collecting the dead animals is just answering questions on the fly and clearly just giving fast answers, I wouldn't take it as the explanation for the "big picture" and you can see that the interviewer was a burden on his day's work if anything 😂

  • @annagilda1
    @annagilda1 Рік тому +188

    Seeing the knacker man's truck when I was a kid, always made my heart skip a beat. Even if it was going th the neighbours. Most Farmers don't like the suffering of their animals either, but if you have livestock, you also have deadstock.

    • @annabellesippleydoucette7959
      @annabellesippleydoucette7959 Рік тому +14

      i feel that its an important job though if your suffering and no ones gonna do anything just like putting a suffering pet down sometimes it is kinder

    • @lunchymunchy2984
      @lunchymunchy2984 Рік тому +3

      Grow plants then ... funny how no one likes an animals suffering but it’s fine for ‘stock’ that be the money

    • @annagilda1
      @annagilda1 Рік тому

      @@lunchymunchy2984 ah yeah, sure. Like I stated, this happened while I was a child. But why don't you be all militant behind your keyboard like a righteous warrior.

    • @bevanbuckwheatshea5520
      @bevanbuckwheatshea5520 Рік тому +4

      Some farmers are cruel to their stock

    • @annagilda1
      @annagilda1 Рік тому +10

      @@bevanbuckwheatshea5520 that's why I said "Most farmers." Have people in this comments thread lost the ability to read?

  • @SiKay3000
    @SiKay3000 Рік тому +164

    As long as the animal has had a life without suffering and been cared for and also is dispatched quickly I don’t have a problem with the meat industry. Animals in the wild that have a natural death possibly suffer for weeks beforehand and are most likely eaten alive.

    • @dreamingspace7218
      @dreamingspace7218 Рік тому +5

      There’s a quality of life an animal can have in nature and under human care so long as they can still do all the things the can do in nature under human care than for all intents and purpose the animals are provided free food security from predators where they people which some people think they are they would be charged money and besides we ripped most of these species from nature and after generations of selective breeding they where domesticated and the only place the have in nature is as our livestock and even if vegans got there wish and the meat industry collapsed all those animals will require care to survive and new generations would have to be separated or the would just learn by example to rely on humans and then there’s the big question of where would the money and people required to make this happen come from?

    • @PianoKwanMan
      @PianoKwanMan Рік тому +5

      Suffering is a part of life. To live without it isn't living

    • @sv_sup6661
      @sv_sup6661 Рік тому +5

      @@PianoKwanMan That buddist bullshite applies to humans not cows mate

    • @PianoKwanMan
      @PianoKwanMan Рік тому +3

      @@sv_sup6661 i believe it applies to anything with a soul. And cows have souls. I don't really care what any religion says, as an agnostic.

    • @patremagilbert682
      @patremagilbert682 Рік тому +2

      @Laggy88 true

  • @alexat6298
    @alexat6298 Рік тому +152

    I am amazed how these 2 guys running a poultry and an abatoir are also philosophers, they show a high level of knowledge coupled with empathy towards the animals, definitely did not see this coming.

    • @Lifter4life217
      @Lifter4life217 Рік тому +23

      I think that’s what is called being a psychopath

    • @conjoe176
      @conjoe176 Рік тому

      You are very ignorant to livestock farming and thats largely the problem

    • @paddymac5161
      @paddymac5161 Рік тому +2

      @@Lifter4life217 😂😂😂

    • @sonicalex2536
      @sonicalex2536 Рік тому +24

      What a complicated way to say “I didn’t know farmers could be intelligent”

    • @falsehoodbasher7240
      @falsehoodbasher7240 Рік тому +2

      @@sonicalex2536 mostly
      empathic but yeah that too

  • @gmwwc
    @gmwwc Рік тому +32

    if any of this offends you I strongly advise you to research a woman named Temple Grandin. This woman has done much to make raising, transporting, and harvesting livestock more humane.

    • @Anonkontello
      @Anonkontello 24 дні тому +1

      Or we could just...not eat animals.

  • @annaporter538
    @annaporter538 Рік тому +29

    You have livestock you have dead stock it's inevitable someone's got to do it

    • @catherinehoy5548
      @catherinehoy5548 14 днів тому +1

      not stock ... conscious fellow earthlings having their own unique life experience, none of whom want to die.

  • @ladeanbartlett2530
    @ladeanbartlett2530 2 місяці тому +19

    A lot of people don’t realise how farmers feel about their livestock and when they lose stock it’s not just about the money. They’re putting so much time and effort to ensure their animals get the best care etc they can afford.

    • @catherinehoy5548
      @catherinehoy5548 14 днів тому

      nope it's all about the money, stop kidding yourself.

  • @OutermostGold
    @OutermostGold Рік тому +24

    This was uncomfortable to watch, but not because of the animals... the interviewer sits wrong with me.

    • @skyeiron5872
      @skyeiron5872 Місяць тому +3

      He does seem to be attempting to direct the people he's interviewing to his own narrative.

  • @jn1ty
    @jn1ty 6 місяців тому +8

    I love animals myself. The problem is animals die in nature. If you ever watch a documentary of animals out in the wild most predators don't treat their prey with dignity. They start eating while the animal is still alive. At least humans usually try to treat the animal with respect.

    • @SuperYtc1
      @SuperYtc1 5 місяців тому

      Yeah but breeding over 1 billion chickens every week isn’t natural. So your “but it’s nature” argument fails miserably.

  • @DanielSimpson-qq8vt
    @DanielSimpson-qq8vt Рік тому +10

    I work on a dairy farm know what it’s like to lose a cow when they have to shot the animal it not nice to see the animal in pain

  • @krisinsaigon
    @krisinsaigon 2 роки тому +99

    I think it would be much more problematic for the knackerman if he was not desensitized. Being desensitized is not the problem, it is the solution to a problem, the problem of being traumatized by all the death

    • @nevertethered6386
      @nevertethered6386 2 роки тому +3

      Sounds like you are trying to say that cure is better than prevention.

    • @krisinsaigon
      @krisinsaigon 2 роки тому +13

      @@nevertethered6386 you cannot have prevention though without not having farm animals - farm animals die, and when they die they need to be disposed of hygienically. There has to be a knackerman if there are to be animals on farms.

    • @krisinsaigon
      @krisinsaigon 2 роки тому +4

      @@nevertethered6386 I eat meat, and dairy products, and eggs. To me, having knackermen who are desensitized to the death is better than prevention. If you are a vegan this wouldn’t be the case

    • @carlyanndenyer4204
      @carlyanndenyer4204 Рік тому +12

      I thought the knackerman was professional and level headed. Someone has to do his job

    • @clivenz1109
      @clivenz1109 Рік тому +19

      The differeance between rural and urban peoples outlook is simply what they experience on the daily... City folk can't process death as realistically as rural folk.

  • @of-Israel
    @of-Israel Рік тому +5

    Pretty simple solution by from a local producer, I'm not saying that they don't have animals die because that is also true. However the quality of life of their animals is much higher and they actually care about the animals they are not employees of a corporation those are their livelihood.

  • @alonzowitt5931
    @alonzowitt5931 Рік тому +82

    Animal's do indeed have feelings, they feel joy, fear, happiness, depression and anger and they respond to love and kindness!

    • @verwonderingalom
      @verwonderingalom Рік тому +5

      Yes that is acting out of their instinct.

    • @marcusmason3440
      @marcusmason3440 Рік тому +7

      Not true........

    • @verwonderingalom
      @verwonderingalom Рік тому +4

      @@marcusmason3440 what exactly do you mean?

    • @Lucas-jy7cv
      @Lucas-jy7cv Рік тому +15

      I think he means it's not the same with the ability to reason like humans. I agree

    • @samanthasfortunes
      @samanthasfortunes 10 місяців тому +2

      @@marcusmason3440how’s that?

  • @rogersmith8339
    @rogersmith8339 Рік тому +25

    I was brought up on a small holding where my parents bred chickens, ducks, geese and rabbits etc. I was taught that it was important that animals should always be killed humanely and that was that.

  • @timothyscott6365
    @timothyscott6365 Рік тому +20

    Maybe we can say that we are so disconnected from farming from many generations not being on the farm and going to college has made people soft and weak and this is most definitely a 1st world problem there wouldn't be any kind of problem in a 3rd world country

  • @willsumnall3499
    @willsumnall3499 2 роки тому +147

    For me the issue is not death, that is inevitable for all living creatures. Its about how we treat the animals and I believe many farming practices amount to cruelty. Of course nature is cruel but we have a choice and I choose to have no part of meat production and consumption.

    • @globalist1990
      @globalist1990 2 роки тому +11

      What do you think will inevitably happen when you pay for someone to do it, while always choosing the cheaper option?
      I agree with you. No meat is the only solution.

    • @mainbrain6301
      @mainbrain6301 2 роки тому +1

      Global ist you can eat articisl meat, vegan meat, or just wait till the animal dies natural to eat it.

    • @globalist1990
      @globalist1990 2 роки тому +3

      @@mainbrain6301 i will never eat artificial meat unless i make it myself.

    • @mainbrain6301
      @mainbrain6301 2 роки тому

      Global ist why? Artificial meat isn't chemicals, it's just getting cells from animal and replicating it.

    • @mikegrizzle3014
      @mikegrizzle3014 2 роки тому +14

      I'll have a steak in your honor my guy.

  • @benjaminfordham5413
    @benjaminfordham5413 Рік тому +4

    Filming all these animals that have died on the farm accidentally and saying it’s unusual. Imagine what it would be like as an undertaker

  • @johnmcevoy6845
    @johnmcevoy6845 2 роки тому +89

    I gave up meat 2 years a go due to my disgust at factory farming. I was impressed with the guy that ran the small abitior. I think smaller farms and meat consumption would be a move in the right direction.

    • @drbubonic4942
      @drbubonic4942 2 роки тому +11

      You should try to find more local farms around your area if you can, trust me they are out there sadly not advertised enough

    • @rossothecrimson7
      @rossothecrimson7 2 роки тому +4

      My neighbor raises kobe (I believe) he does the slaughter in his backyard with a butcher when the time comes. When I hear one gunshot randomly a few times out of the year I know what's going on.

    • @tobbs5410
      @tobbs5410 Рік тому +4

      I don't really understand why you'd be disgusted with factory farming if you have no problem killing animals anyway.

    • @KenziBabenzi
      @KenziBabenzi Рік тому +2

      @Tony Paterson I don't think animals were meant to be in factory farms. I could be more at peace if there was a sustainable and respectful way of killing and processing animals for food. Similar to how the native Americans were

    • @markrainford1219
      @markrainford1219 Рік тому +2

      I'm glad you have given up completely, means I don't have to give up or cut down at all.

  • @PeacewithRhys
    @PeacewithRhys 2 роки тому +99

    Such a fantastic series, one of the best things ever to come out of the Guardian. Thank you, Richard.

    • @DTPxD
      @DTPxD Рік тому +2

      RIP TEchnoblade

    • @brantweiller
      @brantweiller Рік тому +1

      @@DTPxD TEchnoblade never dies

    • @Sasgoo46-10
      @Sasgoo46-10 Рік тому +1

      It is interesting

    • @eleni-music3674
      @eleni-music3674 Рік тому +2

      Don't you feel remorse for your crimes against these innocent creatures?
      Don't you see that they love life like you and don't want to die?
      Don't you see how much they are afraid of dying and scream out of fear?
      Do you want someone to treat you and your family or loved ones like this?
      If you have an iota of compassion and conscience, stop this dirty work.
      (Eating meat is a crime

    • @jimgavin1726
      @jimgavin1726 Рік тому +7

      @@eleni-music3674 never a crime. It’s an industry that provides sustenance.

  • @estevan4928
    @estevan4928 Рік тому +9

    See some people just don't understand a job is a job somebody has to do it

  • @goddam9925
    @goddam9925 Рік тому +25

    Back in the sixties when i was at secondary school we actually had a day trip to a slaughter house .Cant ever see that happening today !!

    • @verwonderingalom
      @verwonderingalom Рік тому +7

      Our secondary school goes to the school for learning how to become a butcher.

    • @mikeross4
      @mikeross4 Рік тому +14

      I believe that in Denmark, schoolchildren visit an abattoir as part of their education so that they understand what meat production involves.

  • @sharonnahwegahbow5606
    @sharonnahwegahbow5606 2 роки тому +69

    heart breaking but I get it. my father never hid the processing from us as kids. not that he did a lot but he hunted. He was raised on a working farm and respected the animals he worked with and slaughtered. that's what it comes down to. respect. I agree with the need to close down the big slaughter houses. there is no need for an animal to suffer, travelling time and crowded conditions, no water or shade.. they suffer for our plates. there is a better way to do it. right now, there is no respect for the animals travelling to slaughter. as a side note, Canada is now shipping live horses overseas for slaughter, again, the conditions are foul and it's not something we as a country should in any way be proud of.

    • @adamstjames4564
      @adamstjames4564 Рік тому +1

      It's amazing how you just know everything. How exciting for you.

    • @Pink_pr1ncess
      @Pink_pr1ncess 11 місяців тому +3

      @@adamstjames4564are you actually complimenting him or are you being sarcastic?

    • @adamstjames4564
      @adamstjames4564 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Pink_pr1ncess You need to check your email addresses more carefully. That isn't mine.

    • @samanthasfortunes
      @samanthasfortunes 10 місяців тому +1

      There’s a better way and that’s not doing it at all

    • @davidpalk5010
      @davidpalk5010 5 місяців тому +2

      Small slaughter houses are no kinder than big ones because slaughter can never be a kind or respectful act. Simple way to stop the vast majority of this exploitation and violence - or at least your personal responsibility for it - is to go vegan. And that's as simple as putting different stuff in your shopping trolley each week. The choice is yours. It certainly worked for me. Celebrating ten years as a vegan on New Year's day. Best choice I ever made.

  • @sheep-pj5nt
    @sheep-pj5nt Рік тому +22

    Hasn't put me off meat in any way, shape or form.

  • @marioncobaretti2280
    @marioncobaretti2280 Рік тому +31

    An Animal should never be shot in front of the other animals. These are intelligent beings .

    • @davidpalk5010
      @davidpalk5010 Рік тому +12

      An animal should never be shot at all. They are intelligent beings.

    • @countryside_guy
      @countryside_guy Рік тому +3

      They do school trips in Denmark to this day.

    • @presidentofallfoodnice8113
      @presidentofallfoodnice8113 Рік тому +3

      ​@@davidpalk5010 shutup

    • @davidpalk5010
      @davidpalk5010 Рік тому +2

      @@robertjohnstanley LOL. There's no food chain in Sainsbury's. You have choices.

    • @kayleemarie1901
      @kayleemarie1901 5 місяців тому +6

      @@davidpalk5010not everyone is entitled to believe what you do. Animals are sentient creatures, but they are also resources for ALL other animals, including humans.

  • @ILikedGooglePlus
    @ILikedGooglePlus 2 роки тому +67

    I'm having to ask myself some really difficult questions that I've been trying to avoid all my life

    • @djayjp
      @djayjp 2 роки тому +5

      I highly recommend the film Earthlings.

    • @batousan_
      @batousan_ 2 роки тому +6

      I did 3 years ago, glad I did. Very few people are actually this cruel when they took a good long look at what's going on and whether they want to contribute to it. I started out just cutting out beef, eventually you just don't miss it, then the next thing etc. 2nd year in and I was in the best shape of my life so not looked back 😎

    • @waulie_palnuts
      @waulie_palnuts 2 роки тому +4

      I recommend watching 'Land of Hope and Glory (UK 'Earthlings' Documentary)' here on UA-cam. It won't be an easy watch but it will settle the question for you

    • @mageksena2002
      @mageksena2002 2 роки тому +1

      yeah, why on earth did you like google plus?

    • @u.martin6917
      @u.martin6917 2 роки тому +1

      You have to consume to live, it's how loving life works. If you're concern is to minimize your impact on the suffering of other living things, I recommend to look into sourcing your food locally, whether plant or animal. Just advice from someone who has been trying to do this for almost a decade.

  • @thedailywin537
    @thedailywin537 Рік тому +14

    The knackerman showed quite a bit of patience with Sprenger's one-note yammering. What else should be done as it concerns the humane dispatching and economical handling of that which is, well, now surplus to agricultural requirements?
    The entire segment is a bit precious, and it's nothing to do with the validity of the nature of the service that the knackerman provides.

  • @truth-hurts3089
    @truth-hurts3089 2 роки тому +27

    9:30 he's just described me. I must be a chicken.

  • @vickyburton2434
    @vickyburton2434 Рік тому +23

    Growing up on a farm, I can say our animals were humanely raised and processed. The meat was absolutely delicious!

    • @t_rizer
      @t_rizer Рік тому +4

      You ate your friends?

    • @Strange9952
      @Strange9952 7 місяців тому +4

      @@t_rizer correct!

  • @allenanderson4911
    @allenanderson4911 2 роки тому +19

    In the southern states of America chickens often die of heat exhaustion. They get ground up and put into animal feed.

  • @bigdav123456
    @bigdav123456 7 місяців тому +3

    We used to have at least 1 abattoir in each town. Since EU in the late 80's Early 90's. Everything went Bad.!

  • @Hailstonepie
    @Hailstonepie 2 місяці тому

    Thank you to all on here for your honesty.

  • @user-ji4zx9ur9j
    @user-ji4zx9ur9j 4 місяці тому +5

    "doesn't the entire culture pretend that death doesn't happen?" - I think that was right on point.

  • @williamharrison4630
    @williamharrison4630 Рік тому +6

    Ah yes, the Guardian, just left of the Kremlin.

  • @kennyreadnour9014
    @kennyreadnour9014 Рік тому +8

    Does not bother me a bit,when I shoot a deer that deer is dead b4 it hit the ground. ITS FOOD PEOPLE! 😭😢😓😥😪😮‍💨

  • @kittyfan
    @kittyfan Рік тому +33

    in the USA they've made it illegal to film any terrible conditions on farms. The whistleblowers can be put in prison....the conditions on the farms NEVER improve. Not for the workers on the farms either....they are often illegal, and kept in almost as bad conditions as the animals.

    • @joeblogs6598
      @joeblogs6598 Рік тому +4

      That's because people demand cheap meat. If there is an economic demand for better conditions, then there will be a supply created for it.

    • @kittyfan
      @kittyfan Рік тому +1

      @@joeblogs6598 ppl demand cheap meat because about 40% of the population is really struggling. And it's the best, fastest way to get protein Those ppl CANNOT demand more expensive meat or then they would have none. Plus, many of the owners of the factory farms are driving around in Mercedes Benz SUV's and pickups....and have big houses and swimming pools. .....they don't want to spend more on the animals'.....or workers' conditions, because that would mean they couldn't get a new model of Mercedes every year. If it's a really big corporation, the company's chief officers also have yachts. cheers anyways

    • @newshound2521
      @newshound2521 4 місяці тому +1

      Im shocked the USA would put the precious $ above all else

    • @kittyfan
      @kittyfan 4 місяці тому

      @@newshound2521 hee hee! is that sarsasm? The children of Medjugorje said that the USA would Never bring the world back to religion....they're all too rich.. All the best to you!

  • @zelousfoxtrot3390
    @zelousfoxtrot3390 Рік тому +11

    Personally , I've always seen hunted meat as being the most humane meat. That deer is out living its best life, and then, bam! lights out. Also, hunting supports wilderness, can’t grow deer in town. Very environmental. Hunting might be different in Europe tho. It’s also important to remember that farms in general cause massive deaths every time they plow, harvest, etc. so veg isn’t cruelty free .

    • @t_rizer
      @t_rizer Рік тому +1

      I don't like hunting AT ALL. But I think you hit the nail right on the head there about the hunted animal having the better life then one raised in a large industrial farm.

    • @SuperYtc1
      @SuperYtc1 5 місяців тому

      @@t_rizerno, he didn’t. One raised on a farm wouldn’t have been bred and born in the first place. Stop looking for excuses just to make yourself feel better about the next time you have a dead animal on your plate.

  • @woodnymph01
    @woodnymph01 2 роки тому +88

    The attitude that they’re just “milking machines” is just so disheartening. Cows are not machines nor do they just continuously produce milk. They’re sensitive creatures who have strong bonds with each other and other beings, they love to play and to cuddle, they feel fear, happiness, and most likely love.
    Whenever I hear people speak of other animals in the way that this man did it reminds me of how easily humans are able to pick and choose of who they think is deserving of empathy and compassion and how it’s only a few more steps to apply that to people.

    • @michaelrch
      @michaelrch 2 роки тому +6

      ☝️this

    • @olavsantiago
      @olavsantiago 2 роки тому +2

      Unfortunately the modern dairy herd are just milking machines, they produce too much milk with a fair number having associated ailments. I would prefer cows that produce less milk and have a good life quality

    • @annamiller6412
      @annamiller6412 2 роки тому +3

      Absolutely! ✨

    • @jdshgaming3416
      @jdshgaming3416 2 роки тому +10

      This is it though. They’re not human. If you think human rights only apply to humans as only humans can give moral consideration, then this is fine.
      What gets me is the hypocrisy. If you kick a dog you’re a monster, but chucking chickens into an incinerator is fine.
      It’s a philosophical argument fundamentally - these farmers do not think animals are the same as humans. You disagree. But you think you’re so right that you believe you can pass moral judgement. The farmers don’t.
      But here’s one thing that is true: no animal, chicken, cow, lamb, horse, dog or cat will ever think the way you did when you wrote that comment.
      I’m not saying which side I agree with, but it’s not as simple and emotional as you’re making it out to be

    • @michaelrch
      @michaelrch 2 роки тому +10

      @@jdshgaming3416
      You don't have to accord non-human animals ALL the same rights as humans to at least notice and respect the fact that they are sentient and can suffer in a way that we would never want for ourselves or any human. That is where the moral consideration comes from. It's not from an accident of DNA.
      Farmers know that they inflict suffering as an inherent part of making their living. They know they are exploiting living sentient beings for nothing other than material gain. That's why we cannot pull out punches. Sure, they are very heavily indoctrinated to think that cows and pigs are somehow different to cats and dogs, but that doesn't take away from the horrible harm they inflict to make their living. Many slave holders thought that they were looking after black people when they enslaved them. It was still monstrous.

  • @starinvader5969
    @starinvader5969 5 місяців тому +2

    The guy with the bear head has a better understanding of factory farming than Joey Carbstrong

  • @willemventer3935
    @willemventer3935 Рік тому +9

    Are we supposed to eat our food while it is alive???

  • @toyotaprius79
    @toyotaprius79 2 роки тому +18

    There's no mention of the mass producing of death to satiate market stability. Farmers are fined for under or overproducing livestock for the supply of supermarkets.

    • @jimmielovett226
      @jimmielovett226 2 роки тому +5

      Man, I remember this video that was uploaded by some whistleblower or whatever that showed farmers basically sealing up a big pig warehouse and they pumped it full of steam and cooked them alive, when they opened it back up some were still alive and screaming so they killed them obviously, it was due to lack of demand, all they did was bury them next to the warehouse where they were killed in a big mass grave. All because it would have cost them money to keep them alive and feed them. Like, what the actual fuck?

  • @MayaYoNah
    @MayaYoNah 2 роки тому +34

    I’m struggling to see when some of these people were actually sensitive or caring about animals? There’s tons of comments about these people being desensitised because of their job, but most people who care don’t last in these jobs. I am genuinely interested as to whether these farmers or drivers came into the job for animal welfare or just because they see these animals as ££££

    • @dadshouse3349
      @dadshouse3349 9 місяців тому +12

      If money is what you're after, farming is not the way forward 😂

    • @ThatTallGuy0
      @ThatTallGuy0 Місяць тому

      @@dadshouse3349😂😂

  • @JohnSmith-ly2qp
    @JohnSmith-ly2qp Рік тому +16

    I still believe you should have to slaughter your own animals. This is coming from someone who hunts and has also seen humans die as well. I know the feelings that go with taking a life which makes me respect the food I eat and the life men lived before their time was up.

    • @Dandodod1
      @Dandodod1 Рік тому

      I don’t think my local farmer would be right happy if I went and shot one of his sheep. Also the only think wild around me is squirrel and fox, not the meatiest of animals.

    • @sharonjameson8412
      @sharonjameson8412 2 місяці тому

      The farmer would probably appreciate your business though, and the meat tastes so much better, same as fresh veg.@@Dandodod1

  • @twilightingX
    @twilightingX 2 місяці тому +1

    I hate that we live in a world where killing animals for food is shocking. It’s because we have an abundance of food.

  • @stephencope7178
    @stephencope7178 Рік тому +6

    Are bull calves still removed from the cow when very young and sold for veal? I think this is (or was) an inhumane practice, as it's very traumatic for the mother! It's the true price we pay for milk.

    • @toby5966
      @toby5966 Рік тому +4

      Heifer calves are also removed what’s your point?
      Obviously the media tells you it’s traumatic but from first hand experience I’ve seen cows more interested in food and other cows than their actually calf

    • @bevanbuckwheatshea5520
      @bevanbuckwheatshea5520 Рік тому +2

      The Bobby calves are removed from their mum and usually killed soon after

    • @jg5755
      @jg5755 Рік тому +1

      Dairy cows won't naturally wean a calf. This sets up replacement heifers with the extremely bad habit of continuing to drink milk from other cows long after adulthood which can actually damage udders to the point they don't work anymore. Dairy calves can spread diseases by nursing on multiple cows. There are many other reasons too. It's sounds 'so cruel' but the reasons are for the health and wellbeing of the whole herd.
      I hope veal is always available - it's the only thing our little rescue cat can stomach comfortably.

    • @alansummerscales3376
      @alansummerscales3376 3 місяці тому +1

      New calves have no meat value so they need to be raised for quite some time before they are used. So I believe they are sold to other farmers to grow out.

  • @kenroth87
    @kenroth87 2 роки тому +30

    After watching this , it hasn't really changed my opinion on eating meat

    • @ponnamy
      @ponnamy 2 роки тому +6

      Why? Not intelligence enough?

    • @kenroth87
      @kenroth87 2 роки тому +17

      @@ponnamy ? What does my decision to eat meat have to do with my intelligence?

    • @user-mx4sm9cv7e
      @user-mx4sm9cv7e 2 роки тому +8

      @@ponnamy *intelligent

    • @kaijuvegan
      @kaijuvegan 2 роки тому +1

      What would change your opinion?

    • @brantweiller
      @brantweiller Рік тому +4

      @@ponnamy What does his decision to eat meat have to do with his intelligence?

  • @TheWtfnonamez
    @TheWtfnonamez 2 роки тому +17

    Even as a vegetarian I have nothing but respect for independent farmers. Its a thankless job, the profit margins are incredibly tight, and the rules are insane.

  • @1827Beethoven
    @1827Beethoven Рік тому +9

    Can't believe how you can witness what goes on or just knowing an animal died for your palate and keep doing it ):

    • @The_Phoenix_Saga
      @The_Phoenix_Saga Рік тому +11

      Oh I did just that at ten years old - went to an abattoir with my school, teacher trying to push veganism on us. I watched the whole process from selection, isolation, execution and so forth - when we left she asked smugly how we all felt - I sickened her by saying "I'm hungry."

    • @sheep-pj5nt
      @sheep-pj5nt Рік тому +15

      @@The_Phoenix_Saga hilarious 😂......the smugness and arrogance of most vegans and their movement is what makes me want to eat even more meat.

    • @joeblogs6598
      @joeblogs6598 Рік тому +3

      Consider how many thousands of aphids and other insects died to facilitate the farming of your vegetables.

    • @1827Beethoven
      @1827Beethoven Рік тому

      @@joeblogs6598 Another ignorant comment. More animals are still killed directly for meat, dairy and eggs than they are for crops. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of acres are used to grow crops that are converted to animal feed.

    • @jg5755
      @jg5755 Рік тому +3

      @@1827Beethoven Have you actually studied how plant crops are grown for human consumption? Its nothing to be proud of and millions of birds, frogs, lizards, rodents and other small animals, in addition to all the insects both above and below ground, are killed every year to protect those crops or killed when those crops are harvested. Then there's the petroleum based fertilisers, the fungicides, pesticides, herbicides and degradation of the soil and water supply. And that's a bit of a myth about the animal feed. Animals are fed what hasn't grown well enough for human consumption (happened in my country last season with the wheat harvest), or they are fed the waste products that humans don't eat.
      I keep my own cattle and sheep for meat and milk. I'd be bored to tears growing plants but I love working with my animals. It's incredibly rewarding.

  • @bobsmodelrailways
    @bobsmodelrailways Рік тому +1

    Excellent programme.

  • @WallyTony
    @WallyTony 2 роки тому +10

    Is this supposed to shame me into eating veg?

  • @zanelittlegray
    @zanelittlegray 4 місяці тому +3

    Why the name "Human Animal" in this context?
    Sounds like anthropomorphizing to me.

    • @sharonjameson8412
      @sharonjameson8412 2 місяці тому

      because we are animals! And if you put us in a field with a pride of lions, who do you think will be dinner! (a lot slower than the other animals)

  • @tonyjackson7322
    @tonyjackson7322 2 роки тому +27

    Excellent piece Richard, it definitely makes you thing about what we eat and how it's cared for..

  • @TankEsq
    @TankEsq 2 роки тому +39

    14:26 "I'm not going to be thinking about it by tea time today otherwise you couldn't carry on could you" says everything right there

    • @originalunoriginal4055
      @originalunoriginal4055 2 роки тому +1

      That guy is definitely a psychopath! 😖

    • @kaijuvegan
      @kaijuvegan 2 роки тому +1

      Exactly.

    • @drbubonic4942
      @drbubonic4942 2 роки тому +1

      @@originalunoriginal4055 explain a psychopath

    • @t_rizer
      @t_rizer Рік тому +1

      I think that goes along with a lot of difficult jobs.

  • @1oldgit
    @1oldgit 2 роки тому +4

    This is not for the wets we have these days.

  • @ksanurse
    @ksanurse Рік тому +4

    He’s quite realistic.

  • @scottieeasley4907
    @scottieeasley4907 Рік тому +3

    IMAGINE BEING SOO RICH, U CAN LOOK DOWN UR NOSE AT THOSE WHO CANT NOR WILL EVER BE ABLE TO EVEN ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF VEGAN GROCERYS. 1,600.00 MONTHLY GROCERY VEGAN BILL IS UNTENABLE.
    AS OPPOSED TO $600-800
    When u got 4kids 3 dogs, a cat a wife, & the strays ( kids friends) the kids bring home.

  • @FreedomIsPain1
    @FreedomIsPain1 2 роки тому +2

    Bro, they are protesting when they in fact do eat meat. They have no question when eating it?

  • @gideon6331
    @gideon6331 2 місяці тому +1

    Abattoirs we have three different types, only one stuns the animal prior to death ?

  • @jamietroy9760
    @jamietroy9760 3 місяці тому

    I’ve just stumbled across this I’m hooked I love stuff like this even been a farmer

  • @hollymoore9656
    @hollymoore9656 2 місяці тому

    Did anyone notice the chook flap at the end when going into the fire?

  • @bg5012
    @bg5012 2 роки тому +37

    Thank you. Very informative, and while unsettling you can see the care from the farmers and the abattoir. I’m sure while this will discourage meat eating it is also eye opening in light of those freakish American documentaries - here in the UK our animal welfare really is good.

    • @globalist1990
      @globalist1990 2 роки тому +1

      Did you think they had a degree on welfare?

    • @bg5012
      @bg5012 2 роки тому +2

      @@globalist1990 What do you mean?

    • @Sssssssslf
      @Sssssssslf Рік тому +2

      Utterly delusional!

    • @TheEmeraldMenOfficial
      @TheEmeraldMenOfficial Рік тому

      As a Canadian? Agreed.

    • @dalebaker5030
      @dalebaker5030 Рік тому +1

      @@globalist1990 i know nothing of the american documentaries he is talking of but if he changed american documentaries with chinese welfare i would say yes to your question.

  • @chivone21
    @chivone21 Місяць тому

    At 14:38 that bird was not dead! It was flapping it's wings when being tossed in that oven!

    • @martihordle
      @martihordle 27 днів тому

      I watched this moment over and over and could not see wings moving, i saw a foot flop as he put it in the furnace, but no wing move at all.

  • @truecrimerip7936
    @truecrimerip7936 2 роки тому +24

    An important issue more people have to see. When i talk to people about when eating and using animal products it has to lead to their death, I always hear the same „Ohhh i cant deal with that - dont tell me about it!!!“.

    • @lucifersgameroom9275
      @lucifersgameroom9275 Рік тому +3

      Well unlike those people, I couldn't care less where my food comes from.. I'm aware that they die.. But it is what it is

    • @truecrimerip7936
      @truecrimerip7936 Рік тому

      @@lucifersgameroom9275 ok edgelord

    • @lucifersgameroom9275
      @lucifersgameroom9275 Рік тому +5

      @@truecrimerip7936 not really being an edgelord... Most people feel that way. They just don't care

    • @killerman19880385
      @killerman19880385 Рік тому +1

      @@truecrimerip7936 Thats not called being edgy but okay.

  • @Notoths
    @Notoths Рік тому +5

    I think it's important to take accountability of what we put in our shooping bag.
    Buying from local farms and cutting down consumption of meat, food in genersl is key.
    Fast food restaurants should be a treat not an occurrence.
    Little changes done by many can go along way to make a diffrence. It was a long time ago that we didn't know where our food came from or a long time where the animals we consumed were humanly killed.

  • @Dave-if5qj
    @Dave-if5qj 8 місяців тому +1

    These chickens relly seem quite fond of there master

  • @Ben-fk9ey
    @Ben-fk9ey 2 місяці тому

    To me the main problem is when farming becomes industrial, livestock become numbers and statistics. In an ideal world we would go back to how it was a hundred years to having family farms producing meat for the local butchers for local people to eat. Sustainability, traceability and as humane as possible.

  • @XtreamSheep
    @XtreamSheep 7 місяців тому

    £7.50 for a sheep? It’s €40 to get one lifted in Ireland, It’s long past time the knackers were subsided

  • @susanb4816
    @susanb4816 2 роки тому +20

    Pigs are smarter than dogs. I notice they didnt show pigs

  • @dairyfarmmidwest1615
    @dairyfarmmidwest1615 5 місяців тому +4

    people die every day and no one sees it as they hide it but think about it. its part of life

  • @zoecantin4969
    @zoecantin4969 11 місяців тому +1

    I've seen how it is in the meet industry and it's worst. Animals are not respected anymore

    • @annemarie7682
      @annemarie7682 6 місяців тому +1

      Are a Siberian husky in a small apartment respected , a dog in clothing , a animal kept alive because the owner can’t end its suffering

    • @sharonjameson8412
      @sharonjameson8412 2 місяці тому

      That's ok, neither are humans. How long do you think it will be before they start culling us! They have already said it's on the cards.

  • @IronChefBklyn
    @IronChefBklyn Рік тому +1

    Ignorance is causing the needless suffering of animals being transported long distances to slaughterhouses. We need to bring the same "local" mentality to meat animals as we do to local produce

  • @sidneygibson1023
    @sidneygibson1023 Рік тому +2

    As a kid back in the 60s I liked to see the knacker arrive to collect something, I would climb on a gate or wall to see what else he had in the lorry, I was especially interested when occasionally he had to shoot something.

    • @lindamcd1217
      @lindamcd1217 Рік тому

      Have they made a movie of your crimes? 🤣 JK

    • @sidneygibson1023
      @sidneygibson1023 Рік тому

      @lindamcd1217 wish they would, I could be rich!😃

  • @aluwanimoyo4093
    @aluwanimoyo4093 Рік тому +2

    Dead cow Quentin Tarantino over there seems like a cool bloke - I'd love to go on a drive with him.

  • @williamearnshaw410
    @williamearnshaw410 Рік тому +1

    Like most modern business...all the larger meat works thrive and smaller business falls by the wayside. Hence you get animals suffering on long trips from farm to slaughter house.....Big business wins, the animals and small business suffers....
    I used to raise beef stock in small numbers....but only ever sold to the smaller local slaughter houses.....for less money...but in return one half of one of the animals was returned to me free of charge, and ready for me to butcher, pack and freeze down for my own family....
    That way my animals raised with care, never suffered a journey on a stock truck for more than 20 kilometres.

  • @michaelougarezos8963
    @michaelougarezos8963 Рік тому

    great video

  • @aliciasmith3440
    @aliciasmith3440 2 місяці тому

    Just a sheep or cow when there are no farms and no food.

  • @benjamincresswell3713
    @benjamincresswell3713 4 місяці тому +1

    Can you invite the squatter @ 1600 Penn Ave to your farm

  • @thomaskeil1437
    @thomaskeil1437 16 днів тому

    He drives quickly

  • @Linnas79
    @Linnas79 4 місяці тому

    Do you really expect the man to cry over every dead cow? He wouldnt be able to work....

  • @jameswhite2198
    @jameswhite2198 5 місяців тому

    Why do you need the cable to get a 30-40lb calf in the truck

    • @RR-bh8vd
      @RR-bh8vd 2 місяці тому

      To reduce injuries or chance of injury to the worker. Probably due to labor laws and worker compensation laws. We had to use a lift at one of my jobs to pickup 20lb boxes. I got written up when I got caught lifting one one time. I'm 6'4" 245lbs it was kinda silly but I understand why.

  • @bim-ska-la-bim4433
    @bim-ska-la-bim4433 2 роки тому +5

    "Once people smell a bacon sandwich, you have to really be committed."
    >Stands<
    >Tips Cap<
    Couldn't have said it better...so true...where's my sammich? :-)

    • @PeacewithRhys
      @PeacewithRhys 2 роки тому +1

      The smell of cooking meat genuinely turns my stomach. I think most people, once they've made the connection and abstained from eating it for long enough, will be the same.

  • @kaijuvegan
    @kaijuvegan 2 роки тому +13

    Some interesting, and very telling comments in this. The knackerman who says if people saw the worst of what happens they'd stop eating meat, the abattoir owner who says once an animal is unrecognisable after it's decapitated it becomes ok to eat. And the chicken farmer who complains that people are too disassociated from how their food is produced yet suggests that if he thought about the chickens he incinerates he would be able to carry on.
    Seems like even the ones defending their industry are affected by it despite trying really hard to repress those emotions. As a consumer, we'd either become desensitised to the violence or actually allow the violence to catalyse a change in our habits. Both outcomes infer that killing animals isn't something we should continue doing.

    • @tobbs5410
      @tobbs5410 Рік тому

      I don't think we as a species have any emotional attachment to animals. Any of us could cut the head off a fawn and feel very little in the way of sadness.

    • @Bastillian
      @Bastillian Рік тому +2

      The chicken farmer never said people are disassociated from their food, he said they were disassociated from death, which is true, and he meant death of fellow humans as well.

  • @harlemhornet
    @harlemhornet Рік тому +5

    This guy is emotionally naïve to the reality of what life is for a wild animal. (To be clear, I believe the life and slaughter of farm animals should be as humane as possible. Meaning: access to the outdoors, food, water, no cruel needless abuse and as fast of a death as possible.) - In reality, life in the wild is absolutely brutal. Nobody comes with a gun to finish off half dead animals in the woods. When a wild animal breaks a leg, gets infested with ticks.. and etc. it slowly dies of dehydration, hunger.. or it becomes prey for a pack of wolves ,coyotes or bears. Which will rip it apart in the most gruesome manor possible... Alive while being eaten, screaming out as a pack of small coyotes rip into whatever part of the animal they can. - That one farmer put it best when he talked about how we associate the life of a wild animal to that which we've seen in Disney movies.. : The animals of the forest living together as friends. Each with their own personality and quirks.

  • @PrinceKashyap.
    @PrinceKashyap. 2 роки тому +15

    As humans have evolved to the consciousness of controlling other beings they therefore beheld the responsibility of not atleast killing them for their products. Cooperation is the key and always have been for our evolution. So we have an option of mutualism rather than predation.

    • @d9918
      @d9918 2 роки тому +1

      So we have to all be vegetarians then?

    • @djayjp
      @djayjp 2 роки тому +1

      @@d9918 No, vegan.

    • @d9918
      @d9918 2 роки тому +1

      @@djayjp Well good for you personal choice but nature certainly isn't vegan and it's not the way we have evolved. I wish we could farm animals more humanely and would gladly pay extra for meat if the animal had a better life. Don't forget we all have to die eventually, I don't care if they eat me when I'm gone but I want to live a good life first.

    • @brantweiller
      @brantweiller Рік тому +1

      @@djayjp Nah, I´m staying with the meat

    • @presidentofallfoodnice8113
      @presidentofallfoodnice8113 Рік тому +1

      ​@@brantweiller based

  • @public.public
    @public.public 2 роки тому +6

    The use of pesticides by farmers obtains farmers twice the incidence of ALL serious diseases compared to the general population.
    How much LESS serious disease would there be in the general population if those pesticides were banned?
    Herbicide, Insecticide, and fungicide. All in the food chain and the water supply.

    • @stephencope7178
      @stephencope7178 Рік тому +1

      And kills the wild birds, as the insects that they feed on are poisoned and have also become scarce. The birds ingest these pesticides too.

    • @joeblogs6598
      @joeblogs6598 Рік тому

      @public.public And how much more disease and misery will there be once you've destroyed all of these inventions that allow modern farming to supply food at these prices?

  • @DriftyAlison0
    @DriftyAlison0 2 місяці тому

    I am subbed to a few farmers. You got to make sure that you know that these animals are not pets but working animals serving a purpose.

  • @FastenDeezNutz
    @FastenDeezNutz 7 місяців тому

    I like this investigator.

    • @vtrmcs
      @vtrmcs 28 днів тому

      Investigator lol. He's gone in with preformed opinions and asked leading questions on purpose. He then asked for it to be edited to make eating meet look bad. It's so far from the reality of 99% of people that it's ridiculous. It's not journalism, it's The Guardian.

  • @spaceace1006
    @spaceace1006 9 місяців тому

    Mortality is just a fact in Livestock Farming! Farming is a tough job!

  • @PhilBrown-ik1dk
    @PhilBrown-ik1dk 5 місяців тому

    Media reports highlighting animal cruelty are bound to nudge a proportion of viewers to cut their meat consumption and try meat-free dishes. And vegetarian & vegan substitutes for meat are now superb - in terms of taste & texture. Once the health benefits of meat-free diets are publicised more widely, the trend towards vegetarian & vegan living will become unstoppable!

  • @longhorndb
    @longhorndb 3 місяці тому

    Cow in the title 30 minutes of chickens...come on....

  • @andreadelafuente4194
    @andreadelafuente4194 6 місяців тому

    We are overrunned by humans. Mother nature takes care of the animals.

  • @vegan4theanimals
    @vegan4theanimals 2 роки тому +55

    I'm glad the truth is being widespread. There is no "humane" way to kill a living sentient being that feels pain.

    • @ewangent
      @ewangent 2 роки тому +14

      Hopefully you don't eat bread then...

    • @KvngLxo
      @KvngLxo 2 роки тому +5

      @@ewangent what? lol

    • @stevves4647
      @stevves4647 2 роки тому

      There is

    • @kookycoolauntkaryn5884
      @kookycoolauntkaryn5884 2 роки тому +6

      @@KvngLxo wait... you didn't know that yeast is a living object.... also bacteria in yogurt is alive as well....🤣🤣💀💀💀

    • @KvngLxo
      @KvngLxo 2 роки тому +4

      @@kookycoolauntkaryn5884 yeah but yeast dosent feel pain when u eat it lol

  • @gizzmowalliss
    @gizzmowalliss Рік тому

    Funny how people are going on about eating less meat but most of the cows are dairy cows.

  • @kathyclark9203
    @kathyclark9203 5 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for showing this, its interesting but it doesn't stop me from eating meat. Its life

  • @theodoreberbach9562
    @theodoreberbach9562 Місяць тому

    Animals aren't individual. They do not "think" or "brainstorm", they act on instinct. Sure, some is smarter than others, but ultimately they're just that, a non-sentient animal.

  • @GavTatu
    @GavTatu 4 місяці тому

    we've been doing it for tens of thousands of years.... whats that different ?

  • @ryanh3635
    @ryanh3635 2 роки тому +28

    The fact someone is desensitised to something they see on a daily basis is logical. Ask a human rights lawyer about genocide cases

    • @MK-li2cd
      @MK-li2cd 2 роки тому +2

      Yet the human rights lawyer fights for the rights for individuals who suffer.

    • @ryanh3635
      @ryanh3635 2 роки тому

      @@MK-li2cd fair counterpoint.

    • @Maxsarkar
      @Maxsarkar 2 роки тому

      Not convinced
      Bigotry

  • @robertphillips5181
    @robertphillips5181 2 місяці тому

    "problematic." such a dumb world considering the realitiy of the world we live in. people are literally children living in a reality that is ALWAYS 18+
    yall need to grow up