Ship's Internet Access - The Untold Truth
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2020
- In this video I'll tell you the truth about internet access onboard merchant marine ships.
Hope we get Starlink soon!
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Chief MAKOi Seaman Vlog
feat Ivana Alawi
Used to work as an IT support engineer. One of our customers operated several container carriers.
A piece of software on board needed a hotfix. Sent them a link to download it. They came back and informed me that they would not be able to install it for another 3 weeks. Being curious and having no idea how ships are operated I asked why they couldn’t download it on board.
The guy then explained that while the ship technically _does_ have internet access, it is satellite based and slow af, to the tune of about 10 USD per MB at the time. (This was 10+ years ago). Therefore anything beyond emails was out of the question.
So what they did is they usually mail a flash drive to the next port with any software updates and other bulk data required by the crew or the company to be copied over. Because of potentially unreliable internet access where the ship was. (And probably because postage is cheaper than data volume, I imagine.) He mentioned one exception, where something needed to be downloaded that could not wait. Apparently someone had forgotten to put the required data on the last drive that was mailed. That ended up being a 5000 USD download…
And those $5000 probably all went towards upgrading the satellite network for cheaper coverage
@@ivanvarela3215 very much doubt it, more like lining the company's owners pockets. Satellite comms is still a ridiculous price, some of the satellites still in use are decades old but still transfer data. The main benefit of sat comms is global coverage, be it on top of mt everest, in the Sahara desert, with the penguin's in Antarctica or the middle of the ocean anywhere on the planet. The primary use is voice and packet data i.e short text messages so no need for high bandwidth links. Sat comms are life savers in remote areas.
@@daic7274 Well yeah, and those old satellites all have to be replaced. Every single one of them, they're trash in orbit. Newer ones have far more capability and are in need for us to have better coverage, hence why the price for us customers is still so high. And even if we were to put top-quality ones up there now, we'll probably have to replace them yet again in 50 years as they'll be too outdated.
@@Quasi84 I think we can both agree that these sailors do deserve better, and that this more clearly shows a scenario of marginalization
@@ivanvarela3215 those satellites aren't up there just for ships internet... They handle loads more than just that. Also most communication satellites are in geostationary orbit.. Way higher up than the ones you're thinking about.
When I was on an aircraft carrier I had a job with open access to internet. They said I was the number 2 user of the most data. An admiral onboard was number 1.
More power to you.
And how many meg was that?
@@Don.Challenger I don't quite remember. I was watching lots of UA-cam and lots of online shopping. Most people were actually restricted on internet access for a lot of the deployment. I was in a room with no intercom system and during a ship's drill I didn't hear anything and I became a missing person. So they did a man overboard for me. I got in trouble for it, but they could later find out by my internet record that I was indeed in a room with no intercom system. That's when they told me I was the number 2 internet user on the aircraft carrier.
@@RichardsWorld was there any action for using too much internet data ?
@@hdjfjd8 They didn't complain about that at all. They checked to see what I was doing and I was luckily not looking at porn or anything. In general most people can use some internet, or at least send emails. But sometimes they want the speed of the internet to be decent When they open up the internet to the general crew it gets really slow. Also when we are doing certain things they don't want anyone to communicate what the ship is going to be doing. We aren't supposed to let other people like wives or girlfriends to know the schedule of the ship pulling in or out of ports, but it leaks all the time. If they really want everyone to not talk about something they will block the lower levels of users.
Watching this on a cargo ship at sea with free, unlimited wifi 😬
Lucky guy! 😄
Company ?
wow! TRUE?
@@ChiefMAKOi In my company they sell 25mb for 20$ with extremely slow speed. I really hope for something to be done so everybody has internet access on board ships
Lmao
The real reason why most ships still don't have internet is due to lousy regulations. Seafarers are always marginalized because they are out of sight and therefore out of mind.
I figured it was no signal and that star link would provide that connection around the world.
Hopefully starlink will be completed soon.
I suppose it depends on the employer. Some are progressive and some are not. Those that get it, get wifi installed and provide it to the crew as a quality of life measure. Others will not regardless.
Yet they are vital to maintaining a working ship and a constant income for the company.
Tama sir. Blindness of the law. I hope maraming makapanood nito. Napakahalaga ng Internet sa Seafarer. Dahil kahit anong pagod. Basta Updated sa Pamilya malaking bagay para Relieve and Inspire para magtrabaho.
A happy crew is more productive and safer, it’s about time some companies learn this and treat crew properly
its true !!!
And that is exactly why navies censor messages to subs so that you get potentially destabilizing messages only on land.
I know longer go to sea for that reason. I thought we were treated like shit
Who is going to pick a job at sea and expect internet?
Dream on. Owners of companies are greedy and dumb.
At the risk of repeating myself. Chief MAKOi you are a credit to your profession.
Missed you brother! Much love from Atlanta, GA USA. You’re a one of a kind teacher and a blessing to anyone who hears you.
There you go again! Getting to the heart of the matter and truly caring about your shipmates . . . setting a dangerous precedent!
If only some companies would do the same. An employee will usually work harder when happy then when feeling melancholy.
That sucks for you guys. When I was in the US Navy all of our ships had internet via a DOD intranet. It was extremely slow, was down often, and was monitored by someone. It was great being able to check email and FB, and stay in touch with family and friends. We also had these sea phones that looked like pay phones but they never worked
The line between sarcasm and honesty is blurred here. Just be glad that the new "Whipper Snappers" are going to have Starlink to look forward to.
P.S. I grew up on 28.8 kbps so I understand sloooow internets.
In 1984 I was working for a tech company and they received a contract to evaluate LOWES (Low Earth Orbit Satellites). The estimate was 1,200 communication satellites to service the entire world. The objective was inexpensive worldwide communications. Spacex has begun to place small, inexpensive satellites into orbit. The system is called Starlink and the operational system will have approximately 4,000 satellites. The first test will be this year. If it is successful, then cell phone and internet services will be available anywhere. The cost? I don't know.
Bruce Adams , Shotwell, the CEO of SpaceX is talking in the sub $100 a month for gigabit access. No words on data caps though. However, I can’t imagine that they will have much business mid ocean so unlike the old sat services like Inmarsat, they will be making their money on dry land, not scalping seafarers and aircraft.
The cost will be humanity's access to space. We need to decrease the number of orbiting objects, not increase it.
@@railgap I agree. The early tests of Starlink are with satellites that are in a decaying orbit. If the system doesn't work as planned, the satellites will return to earth within a year.
@@Bill_N_ATX : "I can’t imagine that they will have much business mid ocean"
The whole merchant shipping and cruise shipping industries aren't "not much business". By the same token, overland customer base i.e. in areas where cable isn't already available is just as sparse. It's not like having to cover the world's oceans are going to cost them astronomically more, as the satellites would already provide worldwide coverage. All that's needed is a transceiver array on deck.
The company doesn't even need to be involved. If it's just $100 then a whole ship's crew could just pool money to get the hardware and pay the bills.
Until Starlink gets their satellite to satellite mesh network working, it would not work. Right now, what is happening is the customer is connecting to a nearby satellite, that then directly connects to a nearby ground station, that is hooked up to the Internet. The customer and the ground station needs to both be visible to the same satellite, at the same time. Because Starlink's constellation is in LEO, this distance is pretty short. This is why coverage is so patchy. Though they theoretically have enough satellites to cover much of the world except for the poles, you still can't get service in most countries around the world. Signing up for the service in the US, and then shipping the receiving equipment to another country wouldn't work when there are no ground stations near you.
Hi Chief great video! i can assure you that things are getting better in this sector, several companies like Intellian Iridium Inmarsat has launched systems that dropped the prices for global fast speed internet and several companies that have the "quality of life" in mind and installing VSAT systems on their fleet. they even offer free initial cost for the owners and a "pay as you go" plan. Couple of years ago we had only some expensive allocated data size for each crewmember but nowadays most of our ships have free data package for each crewmember, i know its not perfect but things are improving. Fast!
Another interesting and informative video. It sounds as though your roving sim card system would be the way to go at the present time. Hopefully the Starlink system will be in place in the reasonably near future which should resolve at least most of the non or iffy internet problem for mariners. In my day we had ship to shore single sideband transceivers which were limited in range and awkward to use. As I stated your sim card system sounds like the way to go, at least for the present. Thanks again Chief, always a pleasure to watch your videos. All the best to you and yours!
You should get in touch with my Grandmother.. She "installs" and "deletes" internet from her PC twice a day :D
Boomers and GenX invented the internet. Millennials have already ruined it.
During my time, i don't even have a personal mobile phone onboard. The only option is the payphone booth near the ship gangway or at the seaman's club, but were ridiculously expensive.
Brings me back old memories.
Yea on the 90’S 10 min call for almost 100 $ LoI
Great video Makoi. Just watched your caning inspection video. Your advice is always top notch
I love that you sponsor these videos with companies that help you. Great video, as usual
From my experience, keeping in touch with loved ones at home while being away actually makes things worse, you miss them even more...
Exactly. most of the "internet" in 2021 is terminal cancer to the human brain.
nah...knowing that family members are safe..and about their day..and sharing our own experiences of that day....makes us switch off from ship and helps us to switch on back with fully refreshed brain..unless u have a toxic family..
watching using sim4crew 😊
I'm a Land lubber and I work in land transportation but Chief you come off as a kindred brother. Thanks for getting the word out about you folks and I hope you make your trade better for yourselves . I'll be sharing this video. Thanks Chief.
You are a great spokesman and educators for your fellow seafaring workers. I was able to work for the U S Coast Guard for 22 years. You do an excellent job educating the public. Great video also. Thank you.
Let’s setup a petition for just a small change
“Crew men are to have access to US Standard internet speeds for no cost. No data is to be recorded or logged by the company or ship and all information is protected.”
Some places in the United States have really lousy (if any at all) internet. Not a majority of the population, but a very large part of the area.
you want South Korean internet speeds not US
Bad Cigar to expensive
@@chrissoto7187 US has on average the 6th most expensive internet and South Korea has 73rd
Tunnel through Tor, no one can spy on what you are doing.
We’re living in 2020. Internet is necessary like the air. Company must put internet conexion in the ships. All of us have family and friends, we should have a social life. I’m engineer and I’m working in my country Uruguay right now so I’ve internet.
But than as mention b4 lousy regs...MLC lalalala...
Yes I agreed with you, I’ve worked in FIFO construction industry (land based) for years and having free internet should be compulsory on all ships, it’s hard enough being away from home at all but for extended periods of time affects the mental health of some of us, so I think its a real health issue, you are a good man Chief MAKOi 👍🇦🇺
I wondered about this very subject.
Thanks!
Chief Mak..long time no look..nice to see a vid again..🇵🇭
I was a seafarers in the 19 60s we only had TV when we were within 20 miles of land .No ship to shore phone .we still had morse code .we could send a telegram but it was prohibitively expensive and not always reliable.
Seafarers today have got it easy . I hope it improves more it's a hard life but I never regreted a minute of it .
We have experienced the internet it's hard to not ues it every day it's a tool to every thing! Thank you for your service without people like you we wouldn't have the internet!
You could probably make a decent UA-cam channel out of that. I know I'd be interested in hearing about that era.
Not really comparable, as nobody had internet at the time so that wasn't a big deal.
Great video!! Thanks Chief! Best Regards/Wishes!!!
Heart moving stuff. Well done Chief.
You couldn't have said that any fairer & impactive than you did there, nice one. Let's hope that the upper echelons of Companies realise that a happy crew.....is an efficient crew!
You would think that smart companies would offer good WiFi and internet access in the hopes of attracting better crew members.
A high paid crew member might even be willing to take a small pay cut if it meant that they had 24/7 internet access.
It seems like a no brainer to me.
@ Charlie Harris Who pays for the internet, the small cut you are talking about is more like $1000 per person per month and even then, that's email only and not high-speed internet. The shipping industry is cut throat, just look how many cruise ships were sent to the breakers when they were not going to be in continuous service. For a bulk carrier or for a chemical tanker, there is 1000 other ships that will undercut you for the business. So if your profits are razor thin, where do the benefits come from?
@@couttsw
The communications industry works the same way.
Any shipping company that owns dozens or even hundreds of ships. Will find companies undercutting each other. For the chance to provide services to those ships.
Cell phone companies screw each other ever chance they get. They’ll pay each other to use the other’s towers and they charge users less for service than the tower owners. Eventually buying out the towers from the other.
The prices that you’re talking about only prove my point. It doesn’t cost a carrier anywhere near a thousand per month to provide services, to a whole ship! Let Maersk or evergreen put out the word that they’re looking for services for their ships and providers will starts fighting to provide those services.
You just don’t seem to understand how big business works.
@@charlie15627 I think you’ll be surprised how expensive maritime vsat costs. Hopefully starlink will transform the industry
@@rocketsciencemusic5398
The largest cost is the ship born equipment.
The satellites are already up there. Certainly, the starlink constellation will reduce the costs some but not as much as you seem to think. Starlink will do more to improve communication speeds and quality than it will to lower a user’s bills.
The one time cost of purchasing upload equipment is the biggest obstacle.
@@charlie15627 do you know much about starlink? Already alot cheaper and it’s only in beta. It’s the service bills for vsat that cost thousands. Srarlink is already
I've been watching your videos lately.
You really had a full life!
More power to you boss, watching here in Bukidnon, Philippines.
Good to see that a senior crew member are speaking up for the junior crew.
I believe Elon Musk's "Starlink" will change everything. Having no internet at sea will be a thing of the past.
My words too
Hope so, they will focus coverage on main populations to begin to fund things, but hopefully it will then spread to give good global coverage including the sea.
They already have dish and satellite phones. Also learn how AM / FM radio signals work. Just because ur dumb, fartphone can't reach ur antenna.. most of you people don't even know what a cellphone antenna looks like, you think it's magic lmaooooo
Just like the majority of regular snowflakes would claim I'm misogynistic for asking them to learn too use a sextant.
@@liammay7756 Who spilled your milk you dumbfuck!
So many people are going to be severely disappointed when they realize Musk is just a con man.
That's really a mess! How awful this must be. As I myself am sometimes on sea with a sailing yacht I know what this means. Great pleading for unlimited Internet access onboard vessels!
I work for a bush airline in remote Alaska. Your living conditions are like a palace compared to the sh*t we put up with. Love your channel man. Great content.
I've been on Starlink for nearly a year. It works so well! It'll be cool to see it working on ships.
Starlink will be global soon. I hope this will make a difference for the better for remote workers everywhere.
1st generation starlink will still only have coverage relatively close to land. These satellites are earth - ground only, and the satellite must be able to see you and the base station at the same time. Once you get too far from shore that's not possible. Same issue in very rural areas (Siberia, Australian outback, Alaska, etc.). It's not till later that they'll have satellite-to-sattelite links and have full global coverage.
@@PsRohrbaugh later is better than never
we are so lucky that our ship has unlimited Internet access for free ❤️
I work in maritime industry of Information Technology department and I'm QA engineer in it. I always required some knowledge of it and boom your videos appear. Thank you for sharing knowledge and it also helps me in understanding my applications as well.
My Request is next time please do a video on BQS and IRI. Once again thank you for knowledge.
I've spent time offshore... great video!!! Thanks chief 👍
Many of us dream to work on ships like yours... The environment the crew family just amazing that one can only find on sea voyage... Sir could you show us the ways to join a cargo ship irrespective of the post???? Please do reply sir. I have been watching your videos since last 7 months and i just love the way you show and explain the everything.....
Dont dream...work for it
@@aniketamonkar7877 harwork without a dream is worthless though we get some fruitful results....
Just a sugestion, it might be better to chnage your current transitions to something new, just because the sound of the static isn't that nice. JUst my opinion. Love your videos anyway and you're actually the reason I decided to study Marine Engineering in the NMCI in Ireland
It's good to see you again.
High chief/ Superman. I love the way you really deliver your sponsor you take the time and you explain what they offer and you do not just do it in 10 seconds you completely incorporated into your video. Shows respect to who is sponsoring you. I watch and follow other UA-camrs and when they have sponsors they do this short little five second segment about who's sponsoring them and then it's all about them you slow down and you actually sell it you should be a Salesman a documentary you have a very good vocabulary and you explain everything anyways just my opinion Joe Dirt NorCal
This really doesn't surprise me since I've been on several cruises where internet access was slow and high priced. In my case we're talking about a ship with over 3000 passengers and close to 1000 crewmembers. A ship like that has economies of scale where they could spread out the cost, but it was still high priced compared to back home. Compare that to a freighter which has probably under 100 crewmembers and I could see where ship owners would be hesitant to spring for internet service.
Surveyor here in new orleans. Ive seen a crew member almost jump off ship with my phone when his best friend answered his wifes phone.
Wait what? 🤣
These people are too valuable to everyone to be treated this way. And this is such a perfect video for this type of sponsor. I didn't skip ahead out of respect.
Found this channel over Christmas somehow. Very cool channel.
It sounds like the ship owners wrote the labour regulations themselves.
Where do people think regulations come from? By the guys in the trenches?
@@mitch_the_-itch Why would anyone think that employers writing labour regulations might be acceptable?
@@TonyRule When the word "Reasonable" is used instead of definitions of direct actions it isn't so much "regulation" as it is a tool of "harassment." Which side do you really think wants to harass the other?
Regulations allow the tyrants to hide in plain sight and convince themselves the regulations are in YOUR best interest instead of theirs.
@@mitch_the_-itch Correct. Either prescribe requirements concisely or just don't bother.
Hi Chief, I think it would be a big boost to morale and therefore overall safety to allow internet access on all ships so the seafarers can keep in touch with their families and work in comfort. I'll bet the shipping companies think it would reduce productivity, thinking everyone would be on the internet instead of doing their jobs. That would be a wrong assumption. It can be turned on and off at certain times if necessary and special allowances made for emergency use. Other ships have internet access, maybe you could do a video on how they handle the issue? I'm a new subscriber and want to say I really enjoy the videos you share, thank you so much.
Turned off at time? The crew works in shifts, Sherlock!
Seems to me that people look down on crew. I just want to say that I lift up crew, because without you, nothing moves. Thanks for all you do Chief, and the great videos. God Bless you all.
Been watching a lot of your vid's. your a ok guys... learning a lot thank you... carry-on.
I'd imagine you guys are pretty excited about starlink. Soon ships will be able to have several hundred megabits of super low latency internet. I've had it at my rural home for a while and it's absolutely incredible. It will be really interesting to see how well the phased array does tracking satellites with the pitch and roll of a ship.
Technically it will be super easy but its still going to cost way more than a stationary starlink subscription. SpaceX will probably just undercut the competition just enogh to be the obvious choice for ships and that's it.
I could see this happening but Starlink still has a ways to go. Right now, you can't even take your Starlink gear around the country if you travel in an RV. Your home address determines which ground station you connect back to, and in fact, your coverage may depend on a ground station being near your home.
That info might be a bit dated, but I think it might be a while for Starlink to get to that level of functionality
May nabasa ako na dapat ang internet sa barko dapat kaparis ng sa bahay mo. Saka kaya naman daw talaga lagyan ng ganong klaseng lakas ng signal lahat ng barko. Ayaw lang ng mga prinsipal kasi baka puro net na lang daw atupagin ng mga crew.
Susmaryosep sa totoo lang kung malakas lang sana internet edi mas madali sana dumating mga instruction sa barko. Saka makakatulong din yon lalo pag nagto-trouble-shoot titingin na lang kayo sa net. Saka ang katamaran nasa crew yon. Kung tamad talaga isumbong mo. Kunan mo ng video para huling-huli di ba? Madali na kasi mag-communicate.
Sobrang laking tulong ng internet sa seaman sa totoo lang. Sa pangungulila at sa trabaho sigurado mapapadali yan lahat lalo sa opisyal pag paper works laking ginhawa sa kanila net.
Tama lalo ung mga tutorials na kailangan for promotion 😁... 20 yrs of seafaring life assuming continous,. About 4 yrs lng ng buhay mo mgkakasama ung pamilya mo. Isipin ntin most probably. Wla kang kakilala sa lupa by that time comes. 😁 Sana sana lang... Mgka unli internet access ang lahat. 😁 With 100mbps up link. Dl speed saves time. 2020 na guys. Going 2021. Hndi tayo slaves. 😁
installing wifi is very easy but getting the internet from a moving ship around the world is another procedure. You would have to use satellite internet for that which is Hilariously EXPENSIVE thats the main reason for it.
Hopefully Starlink will help. Good stuff chief. Keep em coming!
Thank for this - I’m a ship agent in the UK and sim4crew could really help us to get sum cards to crew when they ask
I stopped my sea life many many years ago (I'm a Sparkie) During my life at sea, use of SW (SSB) phonecall from ship to shore would be the only way to contact my family except mail! And it's really really expensive...remember make a call back to HK on North Sea cost US$6/Min.
If Wi-fi facilities able to connect internet provided onboard ship during ocean going = the ship owners needs to rent private line on satellite communication????? For my understanding, may be only passenger liner's usage could afford this?
Yes.
Seamless ocean-wide hi speed internet is very expensive. It's the satellite line which costs the money.... :-)
In a few years, Starlink will set you, and other people in remote areas, free with a $200 receiver. Starlink will crush those a$$holeS. All hail Elon!
Yeah I hope it gets finished soon.
No where there is there info on how much yet he did say 300 but that was in 2015 and the Antena now is more smaller and simpler
Lol how do you how much it'll cost? And Elon is a terrible person. Have you ever dealt with used Teslas? Look at how he restrict usage of Tesla ownership to see just how he'll treat starlink customers
I was just about to say this, apparently they are beta testing now, and what better way to test than on ships. If its possible on a moving ship.
@@PoliticalJames Keep in mind that "thousands per month" is pretty normal for comercial land internet service with an SLA (e.g. dedicated fiber for buisness) - often with multi-year contract. Residential customers get a huge price break through subsidies and accepting worse service (down for a couple hours here and there, might take a couple days to do repairs, etc). Split a $1000/month data bill 25 ways and that's still normal residential pricing.
You are very good to point this out. Our captain only lets me and one other crew member use the internet if we please him in other ways.
Cheif I'm a big fan of your channel. You inspire us freshers a lot... Your video inspires us a lot.... Ur channel, videos inspired me to create my own UA-cam channel about Marine And Related aspects. Thanks for the inspiration sir. You are awesome 😇🙏
When the competition for mariners becomes heated, then you will see the perks installed. Supply and demand.
I can feel the pain in Chief's voice 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
To get internet according to shipping companies, follow these steps (ARRRRR Matey): 1. Plug in modem. 2. Wait for the sound to stop (khhhh khhhk kreeeee oweeeee khhhhh khhhhh ...) 3. Wait for the other sound: "You got Mail!!!" 4. Wait for 3 days for a UA-cam video to stop buffering and start playing, only to stop again to buffer in 30 seconds. 5. Repeat steps above because you were disconnected 30 seconds into your UA-cam video. 6. You can't call tech support, as there is none. 7. Pay $20 per 1 kb of data. 8. Expect DSL-level internet access in about 100 years (when the rest of the world will have achieved and will have evolved from quantum internet). 9. Make sure your "state of the art" MS-DOS x86 machine is powered down after the standard 15 minute shutdown time has expired.
You’re such a kind humble passionate man Chief.
Luckily i watch watch this movie after watch in my cabin through WiFi. All my offshore vessels were equipped with wifi
This should be one of the priorities regarding MLC revisions, the mental health of a seafarer is of utmost importance.
Priority?
The world was a better place without smart phones and computers
@@RJ1999x Try being on a ship with no calls, sms, email for weeks. Then land to port and sometimes not even being able to go onshore to get a SIM card, and do this for months on end. Then decide if getting phones and internet access - even least when you are in port - was of any benefit to you or not.
@@RJ1999x Then why are you here in this video commenting? are you writing the comment from a piece of paper?
@@ralphefernandes people were pretty happy without all this year's ago
@@RJ1999x Based on whose feedback? Those who never worked in the merchant Navy?
!I admire you, and thank you for your sacrifice for your hard work!
You are great .. sharing the knowledge..
0:31 ang ganda ng entertainment mo chief!!
Hehehe Ivana Alawi
When Elon Musk gets starlink up and running availability shouldn’t be an issue.
Over 300 satellited in orbit already!
Starlink will only work on fixed location not a moving ship
@@lki34442 ok, access to superior internet during port stay/anchorage is better then doing business with shady merchants of local overpriced sim-cards
@@lki34442 starlink was expected to work on a train
@@vash42165 considering the size of signal beam and its low power it will be very hard to track satellite from moving platform. I would love to see where you
Noticed this reference
I love all of your videos Chief❤️
Planning to take the exam on PMMA when going to college in my future but I don't know how😅
Great stuff Chief !!!
What do you think about shipping companies making you pay for drinking water? they tell you that you can drink the ship's water but the crew always advise against it so you have no choice but to buy it.
I drink the ship's water. I'm the one who produces it so I know full well that it's safe. Those same crew members who buy bottled water because they claim the ship's water isn't safe, they use ice cubes - made from ship's water - and put it in their drinks.
@@ChiefMAKOi I'm a newly qualified 3E/O. During my cadetship we were advised against drinking large amounts of the ship's water because of its low mineral content. We were taught that the evaporation process produces desalinated water which is unpotable, corrosive and unhealthy. Chemicals are added to the water after to adjust PH as removing the salt makes it slightly acidic. I've also read a bit about limestone remineralisation processes. I was wondering if you could clarify further on the safety of drinking water on board? I did some research and found there is conflicting information. This was a great video and I find your content useful!
Scourmish great question that will make a great video!
@@brittanieecard2303 I agree. I'll add that up to my upcoming "lecture" series.
Chief MAKOi thank you! I’m subscribed and notified to your Awesome show! I’ve been researching how to become a ship captain, you are a great inspiration!
Si Ivana alawi talaga for the entertainment using internet. 😂 🤣 Alam na this
Siyempre Ivanaholics hahaha
What language is this?
@@springbok4015 filipino
@@springbok4015 tagalog. Filipino language. Check Ivana Alawi youll understand what the are talking about. 😂
Many years ago my group at The US Naval Research Laboratory were the world leading researchers of communications. We were the first to miniaturize the antenna systems to bring very high speed Internet to ships, mainly US Navy ships. At one point the ship I was on, USS Anzio, had the largest bandwidth available of any ship at sea. We had more bandwidth than an entire battle group combined. When we were not active in ship communications we would allow the sailors to use the workstation we set up in a recreation area. Those sailors were the first ever to be able to video conference with their loved ones at home. Back in the day it was Real Player that was dominate, wow I’m old.
Before it was expenssive for installing internet onboard because it involves sattelite broadband services are expenssive. But today we already have starlink global internet satellite provider which is cheaper.
It also benefits the owner because if you have internet onboard it improves the communication between top management and the vessel, our office can even have access on our cctv camera, and machineries onboard in real time without communicating the captian. Because mostly our vessel is equip with IOT devices, they even know the real time concumption of fuel and load of main engine and rudder in real time. Thats the benefit of having internet onboard for the company
Starlink is comming ..
What a load of BS. You would think a happy crew would be a more productive crew. A sailor stressed out about not being able to contact his family would just be distracted, I know I certainly would. Thanks for the illuminating video, Chief 👍
more subscriber to come sir chief makoi
It really is crazy how ship owners don't really seem to care that much about employees, leaving them stuck in the ocean, etc.
Huge ships that traverse the world should have internet for free. The ocean can be lonely and people need and want to stay in touch with the world these days.
Thanks to all the people that sacrifice time with their families and even potentially risking their lives to keep the world economy working! I doubt my S10+ would be in my hands without a cargo ship bringing them.
Maybe the capt. has his own hook up
@@worldview730 I would hope he does. So he can stay in touch with friends and family.
If anyone saw what complete wireless satellite internet cost , they would know why ships don’t have it. If it was cheap and easy to facilitate, it would be in the shipping companies interest to have it onboard for logistical reasons.
However, satellite internet is far from cheap.
Kindly receive my downvote for putting adverts on half of the video. Thank you so much.
WOWZERS! IDK what I'd do without being able to access the internet when I wanted/needed to look something up!
Great vid as always, Chief. Ship wifi access is cheap compared to aviation wifi, where you'll pay $1-$4/mb.
I totally agree with you my friend ! People of the sea rarely see their families and loved one's , it's only fair the companies will provide Wi-Fi onboard for all of their crews .
Thank you for the explanation
You become more and more Powerful,go on, not bad Chief Makoi!
Okay but can we talk about the irony of stretching this video out to be 5 times as long as it needs to be?
I love this channel
I respect this man !!!
I hope you enjoy your stay on land, but I sure miss the videos you take on ship. That means I have to rewatch the ones you took before!
Retired Bosun here. All or nearly all US flag ships do have internet for the crew, usually via wifi network with multiple WAPs. When I started going to sea, not only did we not have internet, but internet wasn't even invented yet. I was on one ship, a RORO sailing between US East coast and Northern Europe for 7 years and the first time I brought a computer onboard, the Capt asked "what the hell are you bringing that thing on my ship for?" I told him that some day there would be not one, but probably 3 or 4 of them in his office. "Yeah, right.". A couple years later, he came back from his time off and was delirious about his new computer. He's telling me about how much paperwork it would save. I explained to him that actually it would just create MORE paperwork and he didn't believe me, at first. Before I left that ship for good, we lost our Radio oFficer. No more RO's. And we had full GMDSS with SITOR, etc and SAT PHONE. Suddenly the Capt was no longer isolated from the company while at sea. THey could bother him for this document or that invoice or give him micromanaged instructions that he couldn't ignore. ANd then, EMAIL!!! Somehow that was all my fault and I spent a lot of time fixing and replacing busted keyboards that he would bash with his fist when he got pissed at shoreside management and others.
Fast forward a few years. Our unions negotiated for crew access to email, and new union contracts contained a clause requiring the company to ensure that crew could send and receive emails. On some ships a crewmember had to give his outbound email to the 2nd Mate or the Capt on a floppy disk. On NO ships was crew email private. I started using PGP to encrypt the body of my emails and the Capt (I was on a prepositioned military ship in DIego Garcia) one day told me I had to stop encrypting my emails. I told him that he had given his solemn word that he did NOT read crew emails, so how could he possibly know? Well, that started a huge argument. And so I started only emailing home when I went ashore in the evenings. HIs revenge was to not let me go home. We had 6 ABs aboard. I was sailing AB. The Bosun had gone home so I was the default Bosun. I wasn't getting the pay, but the C/M came to me when he wanted to discuss what work the crew would be doing, and the ABs and Ordinaries came to me for their work assignments. I was told I was no longer a watchstander but when I asked if I was now the Bosun and would be getting the money I should have been getting, I was the troublemaker. But I started taking Saturday and Sunday off. I didn't care about the overtime. I still got 4 hours OT every weekday. Now the Capt is really pissed. My rotation date comes and goes, and no relief. I start asking him every day just to piss him off. I call my union. It is getting close to the holidays and nobody wanted to go to a DIego Garcia ship.
Then, one day the Capt comes to me with two problems and a big smile and let's be friends now. First, I had full GMDSS maintainer certification and also 2nd class radiotelegraph, general radiotelephone, and ship radar (repair, not observer though I had that too) endorsement on my FCC license, and our one working radar had a fried power supply. They couldn't get a tech to come before we were supposed to have a visit by a bunch of high ranking Navy guys. (The navy was our customer, we were chartered to Military Sealift Command) and would I pretty please, have a look at it? The Chief Engineer came up with that idea because he remembered when I was studying for my FCC licenses that I needed to sail as Radio OFficer, before the end of the Radio Officers. I explained that since I was not even officially the Bosun, I sure as hell wasn't going to be the R/O for AB pay, even for a minute. He looked hurt. Now he mentions that he notices that my Z card (what we U.S. mariners carried instead of a continuous discharge book back then... looked sort of like a drivers license) was about to expire, and he had already spoken to the Coast Guard and it would be no problem for me to renew it from the ship. Of course I told him that I would renew it when I got home. He said but I was NOT home and I reminded him that I was supposed to already be home two months ago. Argument time again. He broke stuff. I broke stuff. We broke a lot of stuff that he said i had to pay for and I told him talk to my union. Well, he was stuck. He couldn't keep me any more without paying huge fines for an undocumented seaman aboard the ship. We got a visit from the brass and the CM was ordered to keep me out of sight. I didn't stay out of sight. Some highly placed officers in MSC got an earful when they innocently asked me how things were going, and did I miss my family etc etc. HAHAHAHA! SPOILER: Capt was on the company's SH*T list after that and I don't know if he ever got another Capt job or not. Anyway I mentioned how a crewmember was removed after trying to commit suicide because his emails to his significant other back home, had been read, discussed by the Capt and several officers, and laughed about, humiliating the guy, and now it is no big deal but on US flag ships there WERE no gay guys in Deck or Engine department. It was okay in Steward department but absolutely not Deck or Engine. It was the ultimate shame at the time. Because there was no private email. We talked about internet access and yeah, laying at anchor we could log on with our phones, usually, and SIM cards from the island, which was actually a British possession. Oh, and my relief status, but that's not so important.
INcidentally, the pay difference between AB Unlimited and Bosun, for the months when I was de facto Bosun? I got a very nice check a few months later from the company. A very pleasant surprise.
Anyway, I got a solemn promise from someone "pretty high" in MSC, and i can't say who, that MSC chartered ships anchored at Diego WOULD have private email and very soon, free internet for the crew, and that "i will look into that personally" on my repatriation. I was the ONLY passenger on a very large C-17 flying off Diego 29 December, 1999. The fairly attractive female pilot invited me to sit in the cockpit, which was pretty cool as i had never sat in the cockpit of any multiengine plane before. I tried to get her interested in initiating me into the "mile high club", but she wasn't having any of it. Anyway so I was gone. I swore I would never return to Diego Garcia but I did, a couple years later. SHipping was slow and I needed a job. Every ship had ship's internet for the crew. I like to think that maybe I had a small part in making that happen, as well as disgracing a Capt so bad that the only job he could get was a Pre-Positioned ship in Diego Garcia.
And very soon after that, all new contracts as they were negotiated between Union and Company demanded internet for the crew, accessible from every crew cabin. Generally, in achieving improvements in living conditions aboard, it is the unlicensed unions that fight the fight, and the officer's union's then add a "me, too!" in their contract, so they are always cheering us on when we win something like that.
Keep fighing the good fight, Chief. Support your black gang, and in fact all unlicensed crew. Encourage them to organize. Collective bargaining is the ONLY way to keep life tolerable aboard, and guarantee wages that a man can support a family on and have a decent pension when he retires. The unions are the seaman's best friend. WIthout unions, seafarers would still be slaves, for all practical purposes. Seamen historically are one of the most abused and exploited groups of workers in the world and without unions, everyone would still be sleeping together in a leaky, drafty, smelly, vermin infested focsle and working for less than a fast food worker makes ashore. Your union or your unlicensed crew's union will prevail, eventually. Seamen are more and more isolated, as port nations put more restrictions on crew going ashore or being repatriated, ship schedules are tighter, crew size reduced, paperwork increased, I tell you I am glad I finally retired cause it is just getting worse. Only strong unions can make a real difference. Governments don't do shit. IMO doesn't do shit except make our jobs harder. Support your union. Support ALL unions. You will get your internet, and you should.
I have seen several of your videos now. Great work. No BS, and most other guys' videos about life at sea are full of BS by guys who don't have a clue, never been over the hill and seen the critter, and wouldn't make a pimple on a real sailor's ass. Very factual. And it is nice to see that conditions on at least most foreign flag ships are more and more comparable to what US seamen enjoy. I have visited foreign flag ships in the past where conditions were horrible. IN fact my first two deep sea ships were foreign flag, and on the first one well that's a story for another time.
One last word. You have probably heard this but most of your non seagoing viewers, not. The difference between a sea story and a fairy tale? A fairy tale begins with "Once upon a time" and ends with "and they all lived happily, ever after". A sea story begins with "Now, this is no shit", and ends with "and he ain't been right, since".
Wow, thanks for sharing that. I was able to visit a MSC ship (I forgot the name) in Subic Bay a few years back. 😊
Unions are a socialist construct and should be prohibitied... The ONLY "good" Communist is a DEAD Communist...
@@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire This may be hard for you to understand, but I am both pro-labor and also about as far from a communist as you can get. But enough about me. You think there is something wrong with workers organizing and negotiating for better working conditions or pay? Don't workers have a choice? Certainly, most workers are not prohibited by law or custom or RIGHT from quitting, or refusing to work. Just as employers are free, within reason, to dismiss workers who will not work, or to offer incentives to remain on the job, or to listen to demands and either acquiesce or reject them. When two workers agree to negotiate as a single entity, you have a union. When 10,000 workers agree to negotiate as a single entity, you have a union, just a bigger one. Unions are not socialist. Unions don't want to see everyone get a check whether they are productive or not. Union men don't mind working for their pay, and they take pride in a job well done. Socialism/communism and organized labor are not two peas in a pod, even though the left has often supported and been supported by the unions. (Not me... I see through the left's trickery, thank you.) So you might want to confine such heavy handed remarks to things that you are more familiar with. You obviously are not a union man and so you are an outsider looking AT, and not even IN, organized labor. Okay, that's all I got to say about that. I'll shut up now.
@@growleym504 -- If you think that they are different, then you are misguided (at best)... I've had the misfortune to work at companies that were union controlled and it was impossible to get things done in an efficient timeframe. For example, they were moving our group to a different part of the building and told us we needed to wait for the appropriate union to do the actual moving... They said they could get to it within a week or two, but we needed to have our stuff boxed up waiting for them now... Of course, our project deadlines were not going to be extended... My stuff magically made it to the new office late one night without any union help... When asked if I had moved it myself, I said, "No, I guess it just moved all by itself"...
"Collective bargaining" is no different than fixing prices... You are holding business hostage, making them pay more for incompetent workers than they really deserve to be paid... Each person should negotiate their own employment contract and we should let the market decide how much someone is really worth... I'm a retired engineer and for most of my career, I worked contract jobs where I negotiated the contract before ever accepting the job... Some jobs would pay significantly more in some parts of the country than in other parts of the country...
@@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire no worse than companies stacking up against the workers. The fact is that it is perfectly reasonable for people to exercise their right of free association and to negotiate, and tyrannical and anti-liberty to expect that right to be suppressed. All I got to say, I'm done arguing about it. I am busy enjoying my union retirement.
Love the channel
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After designing and managing installs of cellular systems on a number of cruise ships i can say one important point to mention why its so expensive to provide these services on ships is because the ISP/backhaul is from a Satellite link and those are expensive leases. I dont agree with the Starlink project because ther are already too many satellites but i suppose it may provide more options for internet at sea. Ships can install receive and transmit Amplifiers(BDAs) to interface with land based cellular systems up to 15 or 20 miles or more from coast as another less ideal option.
I have lived in areas with no cell phone services. When I moved to my new place, the only real option for the internet was Starlink, Low Earth Orbit Satellites. Currently, the satellites have to beam down to a ground station within a few hundred miles. If they get the satellite to satellite lasers working, this may be a real change for people, such as ships crews having real high-speed, reliable, low-cost internet no matter their location on the planet. For $99USD, I get around 200Mbps with no data limits. This is better than the cable internet I had in a bigger town. And I use it as a software developer, and my wife uses it to make calls and do her work, all while my kid's homeschool using online lessons. Starlink (Elon Musk) has talked about having a dish put on things like Trucks, but on a ship, in a weather-protected dome, this could be the answer for ships and airplanes. Starlink did just announce a Business grade service for a much higher price, but not only giving internet access to crews this could make communications possible for business reasons that would justify the expense. Even if it only worked closer to land right now, the cost and benefit would make it worth it.
Great.. nice voice.. nice presentation..
Good video. Nice way to loop in the sponsor :)
We used to have on board movies which were swopped with new ones next port of call. gramophone records was our only music in the 60s. We survived fine but I remember when the first tape recorders were introduced by Akai and how excited we all were. The problem with records was that they could only really be played in port as otherwise the needle would slide every time the vessel moved. Some crew members found the reel to reel tape players in Japan and boy that really transformed our entertainment. What’s internet ? On cruise ships we used to play sunset bugles on the bridge gramophone and bring all the flags down simultaneously.
greetings from the Napa Valley California.I love all your videos and have always wondered what being a seaman is like.You would think the big ship companys would join the present times we are living in. Come on give these crews some respect. I don't think I could do their job even if I tried. You are completely correct not allot of thought about the basic human need for care and respect.Just about everythingI own has been shipped by sea. THanks