Do You Still Hate eBikes? | Bike Park Wales Edition
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- Do you hate eBikes? Many people who own an eBike or EMTB have said that there has been a number of hate towards them. But could this all be in the past? Does anyone actually care what style of mountain bike someone else rides and for what reason? Blake Samson heads to the hills to find out!
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Got into MTB at the age of 65! bought a pedal bike to begin with, but keeping up with my son was a challenge,so my full sus class 1 (pedal assist only) ebike solved that problem completely. /to each his/her own, I say. Personally, I love it!
Awesome, keep shredding!
Hell YES, love my emtb. Now I can concentrate on technical uphill stuff without worrying to much about peddling speed. Less walking, more riding. Safer too, haven't had many slow motion uphill falls like I did on my analog hardtail.
All these people who say they love riding uphill about to get on an uplift.😂
Not sure why you'd think that's relevant. It's like asking people who love sailing and go sailing 4-5 days a week why they are flying to Australia.
@@stephenlord599 well it is relevant there asking are you against ebikes and saying how they still enjoy fitness yet are using an uplift to take them up the hill
Ah yes, because they enjoy pedalling up hill, they should only ever be seen riding up a hill, makes sense.
@@will.134 some might do it for fitness as they prefer pedalling uphill than driving to a gym and using a treadmill or static bike etc but a few uplifts is not going to change that
@@martinhayes5087 and just because you have an ebike doesn't mean you don't enjoy riding uphill, just maybe faster, steeper, more technical, farther. Some will, some won't, people differ.
I believe e-bikes are amazing and can bring a lot of fun to flatter parts of the country. Planning to buy one in the future for sure!
how about for a follow up to this video, go back to BPW and find the guys who say they don't need an ebike yet and get them on an ebike for the first time and take them up the ebike specific climb at full pace, followed by a demanding techy descent and then ask them was that enjoyable and how easy was that with their level of fitness? (maybe this should be an EMBN feature?)
I was against E bikes until I tried a friends. I quickly realised that it's not cheating. Ridden correctly (NOT IN FULL POWER ALL THE TIME) you can can get almost the same workout as a analogue bike as you just ride more! I literally do twice the mileage on my E bike as my analogue.
But if you ride for the fitness aspect, why is it important to do twice the mileage?
@@johnnyblue4799 if you ride just for fitness you can just do road laps. If you ride for the descents and fitness is a bonus there's your answer.
@@johnnyblue4799 Because that means twice the fun also steep technical ascents become possible instead of hike a bike.
@@denfath5010 Then why not get an off-road motorcycle... N times the fun and even more climbs possible...
@@ajandlucy I ride for the fitness and the fun descents, so twice the mileage, twice the fun. I can't stand riding on the road!
At 62, with both knees replaced, e-mtb keeps me on the trails and I haven't had this much fun on a bike since I was 12 years old! BTW, the question "Do you STILL hate e-bikes" is rather presumptuous as if at one time they all used to hate them. A better question would have been "how do you feel about e-bikes?"
I've been building and maintaining my locals for the last 2 decades. I don't see any evidence that eMTBs are the cause of trail erosion. I think it's that there's more riders on them, which is what we want.
Blake :Do you still hate ebikes?
Literally everyone : No.
Blake : Well you heard it here, its 50/50 guys!
E-bikes suck. Trust me. People are just scared to say it out right! Everyone I know talks crap about the E-bike.
All bikes are rad (apart from road bikes). If I could only have one bike it would be an acoustic trail bike.
But I’m spoilt so I got an e-bike and acoustics
Best thing I ever bought!
I'm in my mid 30s and have a Trek Rail, I did more miles on it in first 3 months than I did in a whole year on the previous Trek X-caliber hard tail... I think they're great for people like me, moderately fit, very busy life and living in rural Wales where the rain coupled with steep hills in either direction of the front door used to be enough to make excuses and not head out... Not anymore, I'll go out for a blast whatever the weather and if I'm feeling a bit tried and worn out, ill just use more assistance from the motor, any exercise is better than no exercise 👍
- Good for the soul too 🤩
I have a full fat eMTB and use it for big days out, mostly in the Welsh Brecons, doing rides I could never deam of doing on an MTB, I am 67 next birthday. I also use it for night rides so I can blast out to my local trails, have fun, and blast back in 2-3 hours in an evening. I still have a Hardtail MTB which I can take to the local trail centre and scare myself on the downhill runs😁when I want to see if I still remember how to do it!! Plus I have a road bike (don't judge me please) which I can also head out on for all day road rides. I don't hate any bikes I love them all and enjoy how different they ride and the places they take me.
One thing I do hate, is having to lift my missus' ebike onto the uplift trailer
Have both, ride both, love riding. Ride what you want to.
I see e-bikes as giving riders a choice where or when to spend their energy. How you spend your energy is your choice. But, that being said, I must say I dislike it immensely when someone else's bad behavior impedes or revokes my access to shared spaces. It really isn't about speed or the distance that ebikes give riders but the questions sportsmanship and conservation the increase in ridership brings.
Loved the idea before I ever tried one... then became a fairly early adopter. Regular mtbs have their place too but emtbs are just more fun... they make the climb enjoyable and let you explore so much further.
Sold my acoustic for an ebike and it was the best thing I ever did. Have more fun for longer. The uphill now become more fun as ypu go faster. I still get a workout, I'm just going faster doing it.
A few years ago I was pretty dead set against them, I didn't hate them or even think people shouldn't have them. I just didn't understand their place in the world but now I will likely have one soon. I've had some health issues and cupule that with age. I'm finding it difficult to keep up with other riders or even enjoy my rides like I use to. I hoping an ebike will help me spend more time on trail and in turn. Keep me on a bike longer.
Just make sure you go for a torque sensor. Torque sensors just feel like you just suddenly lost 50 pounds(when you really gained 50 from the bike 😅), meanwhile cadence sensors feel like you keep getting a rope attached to the bike yanked forward periodically. Cadence is a massively inferior ride feel.
No need for excuses, I love all my bikes, including my ebike. The thing is a blast! If I had to choose between one or the other, maybe I'd stay with a regular pedal bike, but at this point in my life I can have both. BTW, one of my acoustic bikes was more expensive than the ebike I'm currently riding. Unfortunately, sports are never cheap.
I like both Ebike haters are so yesterday dude! I am thinking about a Nomad. By the way it's about how you ride when it comes to fitness not weather it's an E.
Love that statement " knock a zero off the end"!
since I got an ebike to get to work its actually renewed my love of cycling and I've bought a Grand Canyon 9 and a neuron 6 al since. All through Cyclescheme ... Happy days!
Without e-bikes I would still be sitting on the sofa , after e-bikes im now able to ride both , Thank you e-bikes
At my local woods, i used to cycle up, do 1-2 laps and head home in about 90 minutes. With my ebike, i generally do 8-10 laps and head home in a smiliar time. More miles, more smiles
Now ask them how many of them use the uplifts and ski lifts in Morzine 😂
Strange you couldn’t find a hater there’s plenty on keyboards 🙄
Yep, unless you only ever ride to the trails from your front door, anyone who owns a bike-rack is a hypocrite.
I'm pretty sure a large proportion of MTBers who don't want an ebike base this on the sort of bollox they get told that "once you try one you'll never want to ride your real bike again". Obviously like the bloke in the vid who only had room for one that's not an option for everyone and yes they are expensive. The overwhelming majority of my riding buddies ride both and time permitting ride their analogue as much as they did before they bought an eBike they just do another 2-3 rides a week extra on the e-bike. Nearly all those in our over 50's (and over 60's) who sold their analogue to buy an eBike have then gone and bought another analogue.. and many of us will often do 2 group rides in a day at weekend , one analogue and one eMTB.
I have an e bike snd a mtb. Both great, but as I get older, fatter and the injuries become more pronounced , the ebike really has taken over. I can't ride like I used to on my mtb
I have mtb and emtb and I love both 😊
I'm lucky to have both an light weight ebike and a hardtail. Love both equally. ebike gives me the advantage of a stack of runs and hardtail helps me get better and maintain fitness when I don't have time for a longer ebike ride. What's not to like?
Similar combo here, hardtail for riding around the forests, e-fullsus for playing around jumps / drops / descents. that combo feels just perfect.
Been riding and racing bikes for 25 years, road, cross, mtb. I was opposed ebikes at first, but the ebike is always first choice for me now, it's just more fun and gets you places you would never go on a regular bike. You can go for an all day epic in ECO mode and be just as knackered as with a regular bike, or you can go for a quick blast in turbo mode on your rest day. Hell, I combine it with other sports too: take the ebike to go trail running or ski-touring in winter. I even do my shopping on it. That said, I do think they make a lot more sense in hilly/mountainous places than in flatter places.
52 and just got a new bike, yt capra core 2 coming from a 2017 Jeffsy, maybe get an ebike in ten years or so but not if my knees keep holding up, lots of guys half my age running them without the dodgy knees and spinal ops but for me it defeats the purpose of living.
It didn't seem like anyone genuinely hated eBikes, and I'd be concerned if any of them did!
It's a motorbike! 😂
I agree with the guy so said no e-bikes on the uplift (well on weekends anyway). The uplift is often full on the weekend at Bike Park Wales. The ride up is not bad on an ebike but it’s horrendous on a normal bike!
I used to hate them but for the only reason that they used to look horrific with those external batteries. Now I would not mind getting my hands on one of those SL ones that you can barely tell are Ebikes.
Anyone who hates ebike can come ride where we do. You spend up to 6 hours driving to the only good trails in our state. Then you find the climb to the top is so hard that for your 500 bucks in expenses and 12 hrs round trip you get 24 minutes on the trail. The climb is so bad its eagle the whole way. No one gets more than 6 runs in a whole day. I will let you spend all that money and time for maybe 6 runs. I will ride the ebike and get 25 runs in a day on one battery. The next day you will be too sore to ride. I will get 25 more runs again you will maybe get 4. Two weeks later you attend the race. Good for you. You got 12 runs in a year. I got 50 runs in 2 days. Ebikes are not for you. Go get your 24 minutes and stay out of my way. Its not ebikes that you hate. It's more time on the bike and being able to control your heart rate that kills you.
Yep, pottering about on UK trails with a few hundred feet of elevation change is why some people can't see the point in a Class 1 (pedal-assist) bike - but if you live anywhere where there is 2000+ft elevation gain just to get the top of the [downhill] trail, and they make a lot more sense.
Absolutely love my orbea rise .... makes you want to ride everyday .... and the fitness thing I just put the same effort into my ebike ... just go faster and have more fun
Emythique is on the way to me lads 🤙 can’t wait to plow up and down some more trails faster and go on bigger rides
0.29 dude sounds like Brian Cox 😆
I just bought a GASGAS emtb to get into the sport. I haven't cycled since my youth (40 years ago). I love the bike and am now obsessed with getting on the trails. That being said, I think there's an analogue bike in my near future.
I'm sixty, overweight but still in a decent shape and I own both a MTB and an eMTB.
I was at BPW a couple of months ago on my eeb (the only bike I have)... After a couple of uplifts the thing is just too heavy, I was having to ask people for a lift onto the trailer!!
Just acquired a 2018 trek slash 9.8 and can't wait to get back there with a bike that only weighs 14kg!!
I think ebikes are for people in a rush, can pedal up a hill just as well on a normal bike will just take ya a bit longer, I will stick to my non ebikes for now even though I'm recovering from bilateral femur breaks can still pedal just fine
I love my ebike!! I do not like the term 'Acoustic' for mTB, me and my son use the more descriptive term 'Normally Aspirated'. Keep up the great content.
The most common thing I have heard people say is " I don't want a go, I am afraid I will like it and want one".
2:26 Ey, you found that guy what played Dynamo in Running Man with Arnold! 😁
I have both I ride the Ebike less because of the fear of hate from non-E riders but Holy Smokes they are wicked fun! You can’t ride a Ebike without smiling!
Can't see why anyone should hate them, the riders are probably doing more exercise than the ones on normal bikes messing around with the uplift :)
E-bikes look like a great way make the more boring sections of trail fun with sheer speed, but every time I’ve ridden one it’s amazed me just how effortless it is to go up the steepest of hills, which is a huge off-put for me as a big motivator to get back into mtb was the fitness side of the ride
(sure you can just run it on lower power, but when you’re pushing super hard & trying to get to your limits it would be too tempting to just click the button and fly up the hill when you fancy)
Also not personally a fan of all the extra weight & thicker frames, but I’m sure that’s only going to get better & better with time
Run mine in eco/trail live by some very decent sized hills, used analog all my life untill I got my ebike my fitness hasn't dropped if anything it's got better, the extra weight is also an added bonus, bikes more planted downhills etc but depends what you want it for, if it's for trail centres stick with a analog 👍
until I need one I wont be getting one, sure I can see the benefits on my locals getting double the trails done but if I can leave from the house, do about 20k and get in half a dozen trails that does me, just upgraded my 2017 jeffsy to a new capra core 2 and it feels amazing and even climbs well with a 52 year old rider and his dodgy knees, hernia and six pins in his spine
They have low power conversion kits for that. Much less power and weight, so still a good workout.
When you own one it's different (or can be) and most importantly it's not compulsory to sell the real bike. I ride usually 5 times/wk, sometimes 4 and sometimes 6 and sometimes I'll do 2 rides in a day... but at last after the honeymoon period I don't ride my real bikes less, I just ride more. If it bothers you to hit turbo then AFTER the Honeymoon you won't except by choice. (Even though you do when you borrow/rent)
I’ve a Trek powerfly 5 and I absolutely love it 👍🏻
I was never able to do zone 2, until i got an e-bike. You see, when i ride i need to have a certain level of fun(speed) the speed at which i go in zone 2 is not fun, but the speed at which i can go in zone 2 on an e-bike........hours of fun.
And I've even dropped more weight weight since the e-bike, I'm not eating everything in the kitchen when i get home anymore. Glycogen stores have not been depleated and im not famished.
If you're over 50 and/or have some physical issues stopping you from riding as much as you'd like or at all by all means go hard on the Emtb. Otherwise just suck it up on the normal bike for a few months.
This goes to show that a lot of the "hate" online comes from a few.
I've always been a keen rider, but in recent years my health has ment that keeping up the fitness has meant less runs. Certainly at Peaslake I'm only able to get one or two in before my body caves. An ebike would mean several more hours of fun!
I was gonna wait until my 50s to get an ebike, but after seeing what theyre good for, I realised I'm going to enjoy them more in my 'prime' doing laps and blasting downhill.
It's quicker than pushing up! 🤘 What bike are you thinking of going for?
@@gmbn You'll be glad to know I already bought the Canyon Strive on, but it was MY decision!!!! I wasn't brainwashed 😆
I've been sold on eMTBs for years. The only thing holding me back is money. I'll have one soon enough. I have asthma so I'm always the one on the back that everyone is at the top of the hill waiting for. I can't wait to be in front! 😂
I'm %2. Been on emtb for four years, currently have an Orbea Wild '21. I lost a third of my bodyweight on it with some nutrition changes. I thought I'd be able to go back to the Amish but, I had no low end torque. No power in the legs.
So I signed up with Johnny at fit4racing. 2 months in and I'm getting good power in the legs. On the road I'm faster on the Amish ( Orbea Alma m50 '23). So I don't need the ebike on the road unless I go through the trails on the way home from work (I'm in the wicklow mountains).
Apart from that, I'm actually looking to buy a regular full sus. Because now I'm working on my fitness, I see the climbing as a positive challenge. And I see a lot more negatives to emtb. For one; Buying them is not the bit that makes them expensive and they're difficult to maintain yourself. They're a lot of work for mechanics and you're going to start seeing hourly rates increase for ebike maintenance.
I'll be using mine sparingly from now on
Once I got my e bike I have a hard time going back to my regular mountain bike. I have so much more fun on it, especially going up hill. But I like having both.
Why would you not put them on an uplift. Like others said they are expensive so why have another bike just for the odd uplift
Nothing against e-bikes. Most people don't like change. I plan to ride acoustic 4 more years until I turn 70 and then get an e-bike. Riding is the only thing keeping me sane these days.
I call for GMBN or even Blake Builds to build a mtbrompton! Would be sikkkk!
I was paying £3000-3500 for mountain bikes back in the 90's, My 2022 E-Bike ( Giant Stance E+2 cost me £3500 brand new, so that to expensive comment dosnt wash ..
My Stance is as good as any ive had in the past, Cannondale, Kona, Marin, get over your hangover with E-Bikes, these things are a total blast .
I don't but I am more interested in the potential longer rides it could unlock.
The anti eMTB thing is just in North America. The rest of the world has moved on.
EMTB means more riders out riding. that means more awareness of mountain biking. That means more funds for more trails and more places to ride. More money can only be good for mountain biking. That doesn't mean eveyone has to choose an eMTB.
Ride what you like. Don't be a dickhead on the trails. Ride hard and often. Do a dig day at your local. Live long and laugh often. That's all that matters.
The problem most Ebikers are Dick heads! Its usually some fat or old dude, or chick! on a motorbike/ E bike thinking he’s or she is the 💩 because they can zoom past you with the assistance of a motor! Trust me I’m American 🇺🇸 and if you do that to me and your a dick about it! I’m talking 💩 back all day long! And the biggest 💩talking point is the Motor bike itself! It is what is Mate!💯
The modern E-MTB’s are really cool, but most are very expensive-
I hate that I love my ebike so much 😂 The amount of runs I get in compared to my mates as I pedalling past them while they are walking up. Let them have a go and they instantly want to buy one now 😂😂😂
I have ridden ebikes. I think they are great fun, but they do flatten the trails. If trails are made for ebikes, then that might hurt the applicability of normal bikes. They are motorized bikes, so belong in it's own category. They should keep to trails meant for motorized off-road vehicles, or bike-parks.
I love both But age has drawn me to E ! 😊
I don't hate E Bikes, but I would never get one. They defeat the purpose I ride bikes for to get away from all the electronics. Having to plug your bike in before a ride is also a negative point for me. I am 58 and 70lbs overweight and I just started riding MTB and I still did not get one when I bought my full suspension bike.
Pedal-assist e-bikes are okay....though I've seen beginner riders struggle on technical trails and on long climbs even with e-bikes. Buyer beware: ebikes are not magic carpets. Ya still hafta pedal!
indeed, and imo throttle assist or whatever shouldn't be classified as "e-bike" in any way, but e-dirtbikes
Why do people have to love or hate them? Let people do what they want. Aren’t we all adults?
The came on a day when half of Surrey were at BPW.
Love evikes. Have an ebike ride all the time. I just ride further, its hard to make excuses not to go out for a ride.
I kinda want to get an ebike, but not a mountain ebike. I adore my current acoustic bike too much to want to ride anything else on trails, but I wouldn't mind having a bike that I can do a little travelling on, and an ebike would be great for that.
E-bike / analogue bike, dose it really mater, if you're on a bike then you're out and about riding. You can't hate either, but the attitude of the rider is the thing. As for fitness, well that depends on how you want to ride an e-bike. I am about to turn 59 and I love my LEVO. An hour ride at the local mountain bike park will see my average heart rate around 135 BPM with a peak in the high 150"s , a VO2 that is in the top 10% (according to Garmin) so you can not use fitness as a excuse for not having a e-bike.
I was going to say, "It's not an acoustic bike, it's a mountain bike", then remembered that I call my old car a fossil car. Moving on...
The first time I ride an ebike within 15 seconds I knew they will be the only thing in the future 😜
I have one and would buy another
Blake, what do mean it’s 50/50 when not one person said they hated ebikes??
Get more laps in for the limited time i have to ride. Probably 5 downhill runs for every one on my acoustic bike.
I don’t own an Ebike but have ridden one and they are def fun. I do like the slog though more as that’s how I get my “therapy”.
I would never get an e-bike, and although I can see the advantages, I would rather put the effort in to get fitter, and after a while, riding up hills gets a lot easier.(But I'm only a kid, so lots of time to change my mind.)(And not worth the price.)
I own three e-bikes. That's all I ride because I've had a hip replacement, and I have serious back problems 😊
Glad that you're still getting out there, carry on!
I´m waiting on both. Hip replacement scheduled and E-bike ordered. Time to get back out on the trails after years of not being able to ride.
Love e bikes
Ebikes blowing trails out? Don't think so.
Would be perfect if the Uk limiter was taking off or made to pedal 25mph tops.
Jesus theres some right snobs making comments on this video, ebike or analog bike it does not matter, just ride what you've got an enjoy it 👍
No problem with mountain bikers on ebikes, however, there seems to be some who have not learned trail etiquette and just steam past unannounced only to be completely in the way on the way down. Some would say dentists........
When i to go BPW on my YT Decoy i do ride up the hill. Eco most of the time, By the time the day is done I'm roasted, not sure the people sat on the uplift can call that cheating 😂
It’s quite simple, for the average rider, they make the sport so much more fun!
The e-bike hate is just jealousy
Haha hell no!🤣🤣 what!? I can afford 10 E-bikes! But I’ll never get one because you know why!?? Because I’m not a 🐱! If your under 50 and not handicapped and you ride an E bike, I automatically think lazy and pathetic!💯
I just started MTB again after 12 years. Think i'd rather ride an e-bike, get 20 miles in, rather than struggling to make 10. We will see.
I have both 😅
Asking people that are taking the uplift if they hate e-bikes. :P
I'm only 55 and not infirm enough to need one thankfully. Once I get to the point of needing one I'll just hop on one of my actual motorbikes.
ABSOLUTELY LOVE EM
Have 4 myself and my latest I purchased when they first hit the market…. My POLE VOIMA 😊
INCREDIBLE PIECE OF WORK !!!
Bro's I can't even be bothered to charge my phone.
IF
Hey, Blake! Since you don´t ride them, you may donate one for this poor 58 years old man...me! But I still ride my normal MTB preety much!
Thry only hate if they don’t have one