They could have had him play such in Smallville but the incompetent writers botched up their chance. NOw they have another chance with that uber-third wave feminism fest of a show better known as Supergirl but knowing how the story goes, I'd bet the writers botch that chance as well.
Otto von Doom I've been thinking about a similar role for him to play. I think Toby Jones should play Gaunter O'Dimm in the Netflix Witcher series. I know it's unlikely that the character will appear in the show since it's going to be adapting the books more than it is the games but if they do include him somehow Jones is who I would choose
watvid1 hands down, one of the greatest written and funniest episodes ever. Every single character performed flawlessly. Especially Matt Smith, this episode and the doctor's wife are the only two episodes you need to sum up the 11th. One of humor, companion development, and and one of emotion, hope, Loss. Both alone are examples of the 'golden Era of modern who'. Knock Steven Moffat but he has managed to bring us one of the greatest doctors Eva without the cringey enemies from Russell t davis' Era. Moffat has brought us a doctor who that appeals to a maturer audience....even if he has made some terrible choices in his run
The dream lord was an absolutely insane villain and this episode really didn't do him justice imo, the doctor's dark side personified- what could be a more fearful enemy than that? I would have loved to have seen him go up against David Tennant!
SEA: He's basically exactly the same character as the Valeyard from Classic Who. Just watch that for more. He was clearly based on him. Even the random blink-teleporting around the place while he mocks the Doctor is the same. A concept so great that they did it twice.
@@somerandomguy2073 I used to think they were slowly leading up to the Valeyard proper. All the episodes that came after that questioned how "good" The Doctor really is, all the times 11 would turn sinister and almost villainous, and as a cherry on top, Peter Capaldi even resembles the actor who played The Valeyard. I thought 12 was going to have to go up against The Valeyard freshly birthed. The setup was perfect. And... then they did nothing more with past this episode. What a waste.
“Only one person in the universe has ever hated me as much as you” I thought he was talking about the master. But knowing that the Dream lord is actually the doctor himself... that takes on a whole new meaning
@@davidthedeaf dude, the show itself is years old, and if you’re not prepared to see spoilers to do with it, don’t read the damn comments and then whinge about it.
***** I know. That's what I was referencing. I just think it's pretty relevant in 'Amy's Choice' as well, seeing as the Dream Lord is essentially the Doctor's guilty conscience.
There’s something about him that’s really threatening, he isn’t at all physically threatening, but his attitude just gives off the vibe of someone who is VERY capable
@@DJ_Sonic09 Yes he is, they are both manifestations of the darker side of the Doctor's nature. At some point in the future the Dream Lord will gain a body, call himself the Valeyard and go back in time to attack the Sixth Doctor.
He is seriously the best villain of the whole of doctor who. BRING HIM BACK! WAY better than the master or the daleks or cybermen. just so sly and smart, yet seemingly harmless in appearance.
Such great casting for the Dream Lord, this guy is incredible. Especially as he also voiced Mephistopheles in a radio production of Goethe's Faust, the mans voice was made for creepy characters
1:34Something about Toby Jones's delivery of "If you had any more tawdry quirks, you could open up a Tawdry Quirk Shop" is so satisfying in how indulgently British it is.
Matt Smith tends to steal the spotlight when he gets a chance to ham it up in a dramatic moment, but Tony Jones rips it away and steals the show whenever he’s on screen.
The Dream Lord COULD be the Valeyard! It was said he was an amalgamation of the Doctor's dark side somewhere between his twelfth or thirteenth incarnations. Since John Hurt is the real ninth incarnation that means the dreamlord exists between Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi.
It's "between his twelfth and *final* incarnations." Ten(nant) once regenerated without changing his face, so arguably it could be at any point after Tennant.
I love Toby Jones to bits, but imagine if they'd gotten Tom Baker to play the Dream Lord, the evil Doctor! "Would you like a- oh wait, got no hands, never mind." *eats imaginary jelly baby*
1:35 If you had any more tawdry quirks, you could open a tawdry quirk shop. The madcap vehicle, the cockamimie hair, the clothes designed by a first-year fashion student? I'm surprised you haven't got a little purple space dog, just to ram home what an intergalactic wag you are.
1:33 Okay, having watched the 50th, this just feels like the Doctor’s insulting themselves, but a hundred times more scathing. The Doctor really doesn’t like himself (or selves) does he?
I doubt the Dream Lord is the Valeyard mainly because the Dream Lord is only a psychic manifestation, he's not real. However he is obviously similar to how the Valeyard WOULD be if he was based on Matt Smith's Doctor, which I don't think he will be?
i think the valeyard is what was supposed to appear when the doctor reached trenzalore but when he got the new cycle the valeyard must of just never happend
At the end of the episode the doctor said the pollen feeds on your dark thoughts (his thoughts) so when the dream lord was talking to Amy when the Doctor and Rory were asleep, he was talking about how amazing and handsome the doctor was and how boring and useless Rory was. So did that mean the Doctor wanted Amy to choose him? Whenever the dream lord talked about her choosing the doctor looked uncomfortable. This was such a clever episode and I wish they brought it back
i predicted he was the doctor's bad side half the episode. wearing the same outfit saying things the doctor would have thought way way back in his mind. which made me think the doctor really does fancy amy. and river was drafted as the doctors daughter instead of his wife but they chickened out of it.
Seriously, when I first saw this story, which I love by the way and think of as the second best story of Series 5, the Dream Lord really creeped me out and even scared me at times. I am really hoping that when the matter of the Doctor's darker nature is brought up again, and not just some of the actions and attitude of his twelth incarnation, that whatever manifestation it takes perfectly captures the Dream Lord, atleast in some aspects since I'm disappointed in a way that he isn't returning.
the dreamlord is the darkness that dwells inside the doctor and it finally had a way to come out by using the doctors own psychic abilities against him and his companions
This episode had so much potential. If they hadn't gone with the flash forward thing in the village, actually given ambiguity as to which world was real, this could have been one of the best conceptual episodes.
Amy's face at 1:23 and the way Rory looks at her...wow. Would have been great to get the Doctor's reaction to the Dreamlord's statement about Amy's dream as well, but I think he was so furious already that this personal attack directly aimed at Amy would have made him even angrier.
A brilliant aspect to this episode is that the Doctor sees through the Dream Lord right away. He knows who he is, and the Dream Lord knows that he knows. But the Doctor simply cannot accept that, although the TARDIS-dream contains a physical impossibility that proves to the Doctor that it is fake, he cannot accept the possibility that the reality is normal life in Leadworth. The only reason why the Doctor survives this encounter is because he trusts Amy's choice to destroy herself after losing Rory.
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There's something so sinister and appealing about the Dream Lord.
His face ? lol
reminds me of 7th
Did Freddy finally use some moisturizer?
Almost like he's the Valeyard, busting at the seams to come out.
He looks like a trans.
"I'm surprised you haven't got a little purple space dog just to ram home what an intergalactic wag you are..." LOL! Best line in anything EVER.
"Affirmative!" wink
Capaldi's Doctor would have punched him there...
Capaldi is scotish so, yes.
WELLLL, since the Dreamlord set up the little purple dog joke (K-9 fans leave the room!)
well, well, well... ☠☠☠
I'm 100% convinced this villain can carry a season finale.
He has zero muscle. He cant carry anything but a pillow.
Which is a bit of a flaw given his occupation.
"I have chosen. Of course, I've chosen... It's you, stupid."
"Oh, good, thanks." 😂
This storyline was genius and the dream lord needs a comeback
He's coming back in Sherlock
Given how he's playing a villain who plays malevolent tricks, is pretty much immortal, and teleports everywhere...Toby Jones should play Mr. Mxyzptlk.
They could have had him play such in Smallville but the incompetent writers botched up their chance. NOw they have another chance with that uber-third wave feminism fest of a show better known as Supergirl but knowing how the story goes, I'd bet the writers botch that chance as well.
Otto von Doom I've been thinking about a similar role for him to play. I think Toby Jones should play Gaunter O'Dimm in the Netflix Witcher series. I know it's unlikely that the character will appear in the show since it's going to be adapting the books more than it is the games but if they do include him somehow Jones is who I would choose
watvid1 hands down, one of the greatest written and funniest episodes ever. Every single character performed flawlessly. Especially Matt Smith, this episode and the doctor's wife are the only two episodes you need to sum up the 11th. One of humor, companion development, and and one of emotion, hope, Loss.
Both alone are examples of the 'golden Era of modern who'. Knock Steven Moffat but he has managed to bring us one of the greatest doctors Eva without the cringey enemies from Russell t davis' Era.
Moffat has brought us a doctor who that appeals to a maturer audience....even if he has made some terrible choices in his run
Seriously underrated episode.
I loved this one
Completely agree
What one was it?
Quack Amy’s choice
@@boom0906 thanks
"I'd blush if I had a blood supply, or a real face."
Really creepy
The dream lord was an absolutely insane villain and this episode really didn't do him justice imo, the doctor's dark side personified- what could be a more fearful enemy than that? I would have loved to have seen him go up against David Tennant!
SEA: He's basically exactly the same character as the Valeyard from Classic Who. Just watch that for more. He was clearly based on him. Even the random blink-teleporting around the place while he mocks the Doctor is the same. A concept so great that they did it twice.
@@somerandomguy2073 I used to think they were slowly leading up to the Valeyard proper. All the episodes that came after that questioned how "good" The Doctor really is, all the times 11 would turn sinister and almost villainous, and as a cherry on top, Peter Capaldi even resembles the actor who played The Valeyard. I thought 12 was going to have to go up against The Valeyard freshly birthed. The setup was perfect. And... then they did nothing more with past this episode. What a waste.
he maybe the master only this time he's able to control minds now in this form i honeslty wish he is
I thought he went really well with Matt smith, talking and working off his fashion, hair and his personality to turn it against him
The Doctor’s best/worst enemy is always going to be himself. This is why he shouldn’t be alone.
“Only one person in the universe has ever hated me as much as you”
I thought he was talking about the master. But knowing that the Dream lord is actually the doctor himself... that takes on a whole new meaning
Bah! Haven’t you learned? Always start with “SPOILERS!”
@@davidthedeaf my apologies
@@davidthedeaf dude, the show itself is years old, and if you’re not prepared to see spoilers to do with it, don’t read the damn comments and then whinge about it.
Nah the Master loves the doctor.
What do you mean the Dreamlord is the Doctor?
Lol, Rory's so adorable. The part when Amy's confirming her choice of man is the best. I could watch that endlessly.
Rory deserved better than Amy
Toby's such an awesome actor, he would make a great doctor himself
He has sort of played a doctor tho
Tracey MacLean, Canadian Whovian Am so glad he will be playing a villain on Sherlock Season 4
Same here!
He's a great actor. Because you know who else he's played. DOBBY. HE WAS DOBBY.
I think Toby would be good choice if they ever bring back the Valeyard.
It just occurred to me...this is what he's like when he's alone.
Yes, that was deliberately paraphrased.
Lovely. I like the joke too.
No, you got it wrong. Watch The Day Of The Doctor again. That's what he's like when he's alone.
***** Really... I'll redownload it from iTunes ASAP then, but mind telling me the scene that this applies to?
***** I know. That's what I was referencing. I just think it's pretty relevant in 'Amy's Choice' as well, seeing as the Dream Lord is essentially the Doctor's guilty conscience.
you didnt paraphrase?
There’s something about him that’s really threatening, he isn’t at all physically threatening, but his attitude just gives off the vibe of someone who is VERY capable
Oh man, everything he says makes so much sense in retrospection.
Would love to see this character come back.
He's in every episode
Funny.
He's the Valeyard from trial of a Time Lord.
@@fyraltari1889 no he isn't
@@DJ_Sonic09 Yes he is, they are both manifestations of the darker side of the Doctor's nature. At some point in the future the Dream Lord will gain a body, call himself the Valeyard and go back in time to attack the Sixth Doctor.
have you ever just remembered how much you love an episode of doctor who and then just watched it and cried?
I don't seem to cry much these days!! Idk why😐 But yes I agree
"Tweet Tweet, time to sleep".-- I wish somebody would say that in real life before putting someone else into a state of unconsciousness.
Derren Brown is pretty famous for that...He also has the same accent as this guy so it would seem fitting.
Howard Chap The British Illusionist and Hypnotist? Well that makes sense.
EmptyMan000
It does; he is, after all, the Master.
Or are you waking up?
Fun fact: there was a deleted scene in Face the Raven which would have implied that Derren Brown is an alien.
Rory: "Oh, good. Thanks."
This is a highly underrated episode.
"Well, there's a delusion I'm not responsible for." I love his grin.
Turns out the Dream Lord survived and has traveled to earth to battle with Sherlock Holmes.
Tyler Parke And Captain America
He also spontaneously developed a swiss-northern english accent
*mutters under breath* Moffat!
also he kind of messed around with the Malfoy Family while helping a certain wizard :D
Dobby, here's a sock, leave the Doctor alone. That, or go and upload yourself to a computer and wait for Captain America.
The Henryverse also if u have time go to 15th century England and pose as a doorkeeper (Les Miserables
God bless child!!!! that's some funny stuff!!!
Maybe even look for gold with a metal detector if you have a spare moment
Or go host the Hunger Games or auction off some Dinosaurs
Was gonna say
or go sell some dinosaurs😂
Maybe he got some from that spaceship with dinosaurs🙂
He is seriously the best villain of the whole of doctor who. BRING HIM BACK! WAY better than the master or the daleks or cybermen. just so sly and smart, yet seemingly harmless in appearance.
True
Or they could bring back the celestial toymaker
I want Sutekh.
I mean... it’s himself right.. his conscious malice towards himself and others given a face and a form of expression
@@ethantimmermann3979 Knowing that makes watching the clip even more fun. (him with some influence from the other 2 I think, as it was a shared thing)
Re-watched this episode yesterday, still brilliant. Keeps you glued throughout. I don't see this on many "best episodes" lists.
Did anyone else think he was The Master before he referred to himself as “The Dreamlord”?
I just watched this for the first time a couple days ago. That did occur to me later in the episode.
Valeyard!
Yes back in 2010 I did but ever since I watched the trial of a time lord I think he’s the valeyard
An amazing villain.
The Master is like an anti-doctor, his Moriarty, but the dream Lord is the dark side of the doctor
I feel like this guy is a trans person.
@@tonyarc9455 wtf why even?
Such great casting for the Dream Lord, this guy is incredible. Especially as he also voiced Mephistopheles in a radio production of Goethe's Faust, the mans voice was made for creepy characters
“Tweet tweet time to sleep. Or are you waking up?” Has to be my favorite
The Dreamlord is my favorite villain on the Smith era.
1:34Something about Toby Jones's delivery of "If you had any more tawdry quirks, you could open up a Tawdry Quirk Shop" is so satisfying in how indulgently British it is.
Dobby's a bit more sinister in this universe
this episode alone shows how the doctor can screw with your mind
The most impressive thing about this video is that Doctor always has a ball in his jacket.
Matt Smith tends to steal the spotlight when he gets a chance to ham it up in a dramatic moment, but Tony Jones rips it away and steals the show whenever he’s on screen.
The Dream Lord COULD be the Valeyard! It was said he was an amalgamation of the Doctor's dark side somewhere between his twelfth or thirteenth incarnations. Since John Hurt is the real ninth incarnation that means the dreamlord exists between Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi.
It's "between his twelfth and *final* incarnations." Ten(nant) once regenerated without changing his face, so arguably it could be at any point after Tennant.
Wrong. The Eleventh Doctor is his twelfth incarnation.
Depends on what exactly you mean by incarnation.
Headcanon he IS the Valeyard
Diablos The Eleventh Doctor is the 13th incarnation, that's why he needed a new cycle. Peter Capaldi is 14 and Jodie 15
I love Toby Jones to bits, but imagine if they'd gotten Tom Baker to play the Dream Lord, the evil Doctor!
"Would you like a- oh wait, got no hands, never mind." *eats imaginary jelly baby*
considering he would be coming from the subconcious they would have needed quite the makeup session to bring his looks back to the 70s
I know im replying like, 5 years into the future, but I think Tom Baker would be too big a hint
1:35 If you had any more tawdry quirks, you could open a tawdry quirk shop. The madcap vehicle, the cockamimie hair, the clothes designed by a first-year fashion student? I'm surprised you haven't got a little purple space dog, just to ram home what an intergalactic wag you are.
K-9
Love the actor who plays Dream Lord, he was wonderful in Sherlock as well.
The fact that they are neither going to sleep nor waking up still gets me.
all the insults really take more meaning at the end when the Doctor reveals who the Dreamlord really was.
1:33 Okay, having watched the 50th, this just feels like the Doctor’s insulting themselves, but a hundred times more scathing. The Doctor really doesn’t like himself (or selves) does he?
The dream lord should make a come back!
I keep hoping the Dream Lord comes back.
He will. I still think he’s an earlier version of the Valeyard.
I forgot how good a villain the dream lord is and how good this episode was it was very clever
the dreamlord had a very master quality about him.
Love the little hints he gives like in 1:20 "One is real, the others fake"
you know when the dream Lord said you need to choice even the doctor just look away
I doubt the Dream Lord is the Valeyard mainly because the Dream Lord is only a psychic manifestation, he's not real. However he is obviously similar to how the Valeyard WOULD be if he was based on Matt Smith's Doctor, which I don't think he will be?
I thought similar. He is only the psychic poll on so didn't think he was The Valeyard✌️
i think the valeyard is what was supposed to appear when the doctor reached trenzalore but when he got the new cycle the valeyard must of just never happend
Could be Matt is the doctor, after Tennant.
The Doctors face before he goes out is hysterical!
At the end of the episode the doctor said the pollen feeds on your dark thoughts (his thoughts) so when the dream lord was talking to Amy when the Doctor and Rory were asleep, he was talking about how amazing and handsome the doctor was and how boring and useless Rory was. So did that mean the Doctor wanted Amy to choose him? Whenever the dream lord talked about her choosing the doctor looked uncomfortable. This was such a clever episode and I wish they brought it back
i predicted he was the doctor's bad side half the episode. wearing the same outfit saying things the doctor would have thought way way back in his mind. which made me think the doctor really does fancy amy. and river was drafted as the doctors daughter instead of his wife but they chickened out of it.
But what about Jenny?
toxicrystal Probably the reason they retconned River
@@christiangarza8122 River annoyed me.
The music used...the same music used during the introduction of Hurt...wow
It’s sad when you realise this is all of the doctors thoughts about himself
I know that he's a different character, but I just keep seeing an English Dr. Arnim Zola.
I was thinking the same thing.
Same...
I'd love dream Lord to mock the master
The only disappointing part is how the dream lord was a one off character
Unless you count him as the valeyard
Seriously, when I first saw this story, which I love by the way and think of as the second best story of Series 5, the Dream Lord really creeped me out and even scared me at times. I am really hoping that when the matter of the Doctor's darker nature is brought up again, and not just some of the actions and attitude of his twelth incarnation, that whatever manifestation it takes perfectly captures the Dream Lord, atleast in some aspects since I'm disappointed in a way that he isn't returning.
Me remebering this is the same actor as a villan in Sherlock Holmes: "aaah yeah, BBC: 5 actors, 7 probs and one town"
I'm glad this is in my recommendations
The last 20seconds that music; "What I did I did without choice in the name of peace and sanity"
James Johnson 'But not in the name of the doctor" I bet u five quid dream lord is thinking right now "well isnt he all dark scary"
the dreamlord is the darkness that dwells inside the doctor and it finally had a way to come out by using the doctors own psychic abilities against him and his companions
I love when I see a clip I vaguely remember and can’t remember which Doctor it is. They’re all just The Doctor
“If you had any more touldrey quirks, then You could open a touldrey quirk shop!”
One of my favourite lines that the Doctor said to himself.
There both dreams and the dream lord is the doctor for anyone hasn't seen the episode yet
I love a good villain who knows how to chew up the scenery - and the other actors.
Looking back at this now the form the dream lord took could have actually been the doctors/timeless child’s regenerations
Here on the thirteenth anniversary of this excellent episode's broadcast! Toby Jones is a great villain!
I have the birds chirping as my wake up alarm, so whenever I wake up I’m like “it’s the Dreamlord!”
The dream lord is kind of like the nightmare man
This was a really great episode, one of my favourites!
The Dreamlord NEEDS to make a return.
my favorite episode ever
"The madcap vehicle, the cockamamie hair, the clothes designed by a first year fashion student."
Hey, it was cool enough for Tumblr.
Literally my favourite Villain. So unassuming but a true threat to the Docotr.
Perfect casting with Toby Jones
One of the best episodes of Nu-who and the Dream Lord is one of its best villains. Toby Jones is sheer class in that part.
I just paused at 1:48 and the doctors face was pure hatred lol
Laceyamy no not really
Simon Nye was always great at writing dystopian dream sequences that can sometimes seem real at first, even in the Men Behaving Badly days.
This episode had so much potential. If they hadn't gone with the flash forward thing in the village, actually given ambiguity as to which world was real, this could have been one of the best conceptual episodes.
lol the 11th just keeps a random bouncy ball on him :D
Anyone else getting Q from Star Trek vibes off the dream lord when watching?
Toby Jones is an absolutely fantastic actor. Every role i've ever seen him in is mint
Early version of The Valeyard
He is the valeyard
I would love to see the Valeyard come back and turns out to retcon the Twelfth Doctor's timeline.
The dreamlord was a psychic parasite that manifested as the evil within the doctor. The closest thing we will ever get to a valeyard it seems sadly.
Valeyard could be in the works for future series'. Just because he hasnt been brought back yet, doesn't mean we wont see him again.
yeah the 12th doctor was matt smith so Im guessing that its not being brought up.
The Dream Lord needs to return.
"Did you see university challenge last night?"
Even though he was in only one episode the Dreamlord is my favourite villan.
Part of me wants to see Dreamlord again in season 13
The Doctor is a timelord, well, if he goes through time and space, he should be called the TimeSpace Lord.
Amy's face at 1:23 and the way Rory looks at her...wow. Would have been great to get the Doctor's reaction to the Dreamlord's statement about Amy's dream as well, but I think he was so furious already that this personal attack directly aimed at Amy would have made him even angrier.
The dream lord and the valeyard are basically the same guy.
A brilliant aspect to this episode is that the Doctor sees through the Dream Lord right away. He knows who he is, and the Dream Lord knows that he knows. But the Doctor simply cannot accept that, although the TARDIS-dream contains a physical impossibility that proves to the Doctor that it is fake, he cannot accept the possibility that the reality is normal life in Leadworth. The only reason why the Doctor survives this encounter is because he trusts Amy's choice to destroy herself after losing Rory.
He’s back
Toby is so good in this and Sherlock
Who else is excited that filming of the new series started today? :D
Dream Lord: well if your the time lord lets call me The Dream Lord.
XD LMAO hah easier said than done.
One reality was never enough for you Doctor, take two and see me in the morning👋🏻
Doctor: "I'll do the talking around here."
Also the Doctor: "Amy, start talking."
I think the doctor realises who the dream lord is much earlier in this episode than when he actually lets on
0.0
Do *not* mock the tin dog!
K9!
K9 or Mickey smith?
K9: A tin dog.
Mickey Smith: "Me? I’m their Man in Havana. I’m the technical support. I’m… Oh, my God, I’m the tin dog."
I love evil Mr.Tumble.