I can see reason for most of the changes. Some things went to far, maybe, other things should have been adjusted, also maybe, but overall it is good, that the system is actively monitored. My major issues might be the horrible layout of the pdf including the points changes, inculding the points change might have been useful info, because this is relevant information and that forces is not updated at this point (and if Games Workshop tought me anything, it is that handeling with multiple books and FAQs for points is just horrible). At least you haven't done a tank tier list, that would have been a mess now. Always enjoying Time of Day, keep it coming.
I think the big thing they've failed to reduce the points on, are NATO missile only Helos. How many people take Lynx or PaH with TOW? I don't as they're too expensive for 2 or 4 missile shots, especially as you can't move and fire with them and the Loiter rules (if I understand them right) means that a lot of the time they miss the first turn and arrive on the 2nd and don't fire until the 3rd turn. When you say things like the T-72 and S-103 (S Tank) are bad, that might be right for competitive games but what about themed games? S-tank formations Vs T-72 formations might be a good match up, also Merkavas Vs T-72. I think potentially playing sub-par forces against each other might make for a more fun game.
I have to disagree with your asessment on the T-64BV vs T-80 situation. I expect that we are going to see more NATO 120mm and against the AT 22/23 it makes a huge difference if you are front armour 20 vs 18. Soviet mid-tier tanks are just in a weird spot where they are too squishy against elites but also don't have enough fire power against hordes - just like NATO engineers intended.
That's fair. Playing versus Mike's M1s and the ability to ignore his fire from the front and just focus on the allied German Milan 2 was a big boon for the T-80. Still, just ordered three boxes of T-64BV!
@@breakthroughassault4791 I’ve been wanting to get into British forces for a while (mostly cause I think the challenger is a criminally underrated tank) but they’ve been in a weird spot where the list I wanna play just would’ve been bad lmao
@@breakthroughassault4791 i feel chieftains have been eliminated from the game. stillbrew chieftains now cost more than a t80 and are inferior in every way. brits don't have a spam tank.
The USMC box has 2 platoons of infantry with no transports. There's 5 M60's with ERA, 4 LAV-25's, 2 HMMV Tows, 3 M109's and 2 Cobras. The US Bradley starter has 2 infantry platoons, 9 Bradleys, 3 M1's, 3 MLRS, 2 VADS and an M113 Op. The Soviet BMP has 2 infantry platoons, 9 BMP-1/2's, 3 T-80's, 2 BRDM's and 2 Frogfoots.
@@breakthroughassault4791 I've been wanting M60's with ERA for a while, I'm hoping this means a new Oil Wars books will be out with the Israelis getting those and Sho't Kals with Blazer, acutally in the book, along with Merkava 3's. I think I might get the USMC box, as I want the infantry and M60's, plus I can find uses for the rest of it, apart from the Cobras
I can see reason for most of the changes. Some things went to far, maybe, other things should have been adjusted, also maybe, but overall it is good, that the system is actively monitored. My major issues might be the horrible layout of the pdf including the points changes, inculding the points change might have been useful info, because this is relevant information and that forces is not updated at this point (and if Games Workshop tought me anything, it is that handeling with multiple books and FAQs for points is just horrible). At least you haven't done a tank tier list, that would have been a mess now.
Always enjoying Time of Day, keep it coming.
Buying the USMC box to build airborne 😎 chad move
I mean, the 82nd Airborne did experiment with the LAV-25 as a replacement for the Sheridan...
@@breakthroughassault4791 uh oh ideas a flowing!!!!
I think the big thing they've failed to reduce the points on, are NATO missile only Helos. How many people take Lynx or PaH with TOW? I don't as they're too expensive for 2 or 4 missile shots, especially as you can't move and fire with them and the Loiter rules (if I understand them right) means that a lot of the time they miss the first turn and arrive on the 2nd and don't fire until the 3rd turn. When you say things like the T-72 and S-103 (S Tank) are bad, that might be right for competitive games but what about themed games? S-tank formations Vs T-72 formations might be a good match up, also Merkavas Vs T-72. I think potentially playing sub-par forces against each other might make for a more fun game.
As an East German player, they were just punching bags. Switched to American and only have to deal wirh shitty morale. Good switch. Warpac blows ass.
I have to disagree with your asessment on the T-64BV vs T-80 situation. I expect that we are going to see more NATO 120mm and against the AT 22/23 it makes a huge difference if you are front armour 20 vs 18.
Soviet mid-tier tanks are just in a weird spot where they are too squishy against elites but also don't have enough fire power against hordes - just like NATO engineers intended.
That's fair. Playing versus Mike's M1s and the ability to ignore his fire from the front and just focus on the allied German Milan 2 was a big boon for the T-80.
Still, just ordered three boxes of T-64BV!
These points changes are finally letting me feel like Brit armor is more viable lol. I love the challengers and they seem very spicy now
I've got enough challenger boxes to do a Gulf War squadron and I may need to revisit that!
@@breakthroughassault4791 I’ve been wanting to get into British forces for a while (mostly cause I think the challenger is a criminally underrated tank) but they’ve been in a weird spot where the list I wanna play just would’ve been bad lmao
@@breakthroughassault4791 i feel chieftains have been eliminated from the game. stillbrew chieftains now cost more than a t80 and are inferior in every way. brits don't have a spam tank.
The USMC box has 2 platoons of infantry with no transports. There's 5 M60's with ERA, 4 LAV-25's, 2 HMMV Tows, 3 M109's and 2 Cobras. The US Bradley starter has 2 infantry platoons, 9 Bradleys, 3 M1's, 3 MLRS, 2 VADS and an M113 Op. The Soviet BMP has 2 infantry platoons, 9 BMP-1/2's, 3 T-80's, 2 BRDM's and 2 Frogfoots.
Yeah, we got sent some screenshot whilst I was editing the episode! Episode 13 will be recording soon...
Also Blazer! (Not actually Blazer)
@@breakthroughassault4791 I've been wanting M60's with ERA for a while, I'm hoping this means a new Oil Wars books will be out with the Israelis getting those and Sho't Kals with Blazer, acutally in the book, along with Merkava 3's. I think I might get the USMC box, as I want the infantry and M60's, plus I can find uses for the rest of it, apart from the Cobras