Presenting a page from Quran manuscript British Library 2165
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this video, Daniel Brubaker shows a page (7v) of BL2165, a vertical format Qurʾan fragment, from the late 7th or early 8th century AD, located in the British Library. He reviews the general features of the manuscript and of this page, and then shows and discusses the several scribal corrections that it contains.
0:30 Introduction to the manuscript
2:57 Full page shown and discussed in overview
4:25 First correction, Q8:2
5:15 Second correction, Q8:6
6:11 Third correction, Q7:205
6:46 Fourth correction, Q7:204
7:55 Fifth correction, Q7:205
9:21 Discussion of two final items from previous Yasir Qadhi critique: The quality of Rice University as an institution, and the allegation that Daniel Brubaker claimed to have viewed 10,000 Qurʾan manuscripts
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Great job, Dr. Brubaker, I wish I could have your permission to translate this video to Indonesian language and upload it on my channel. I believe it will benefit many people, and will also bring more subscribers to your channel. God bless you!
Semoga bisa mendapat izin. Gak sabar pengen tau apa yg bakal terjadi. Tuhan Yesus memberkati 🙏🙏
I'm almost certain he wouldn't mind
@@faith_alone got to be 100% certain 😊
I did add Indonesian subtitles, but they are via the UA-cam (probably Google) translation. Please let me know the general quality of those. Regarding you making a voice-over translation of the video and republishing, please send an email to admin@danielbrubaker.com. My main concern is preservation of quality and integrity of content, so I will let you know when you email. Thank you! DB
I'm Indonesian and i have watch your translations video, they are all good quality.
But please make sure to translate as it is as the truth will penetrate their heart like a double edge sword!
Keep on good work!
With or without alterations the Quran is nonsensical.
Dr. Daniel Brubaker should make an effort to debunk Prof. Bart Ehrman on the subject of Christianity.
This should be his first move.
Regarding the verse at 6:50, I really want to understand how you came with the possibility that it was written as "I recite" ?
Maybe you were referring to the verb "أَقْرَأ" because it starts with "أ", but this verb can't come after the word "إذا".
Thank you for this information about أقرا not grammatically viable after اذا. I think it is also disqualified because اقرا even in this archaic script style, would conclude with an upright ʾālif rather than the maqsura which is written, so my quick suggestion seems to have been ruled out, and I am not, therefore, immediately able to envision what would have been going on with the ʾālif as first written, unless it truly was a mistake. If that, it is somewhat an odd mistake to make. Best wishes, DB
No problem.
But I wish you would you clarify that to your audience.
@@variantquran4505 It is a serious mistake in Arabic language. I can consider if u'r an amateur. But ppl consider u as an Arabic expert. Still u'r unsure if u'r making lots of mistakes!
JESUS , ONLY JESUS 👍 (Isaiah 9 : 6-7) ! We are Last generation (Zechariah 14 : 4) !
Hallo Dr. Brubaker, can you read German? If yes, I would recommend you this rare, highly interesting Book : Günter Lülling- Über den Urkoran. Ansätze zur Rekonstrution der vorislamisch-christlichen Strophenlieder im Koran.
Yes, I have Lüling's book, that is, the expanded and re-worked 2003 English edition (Delhi print). I mentioned it in a somewhat tangential way in the last video, but you are correct that it is an important and interesting contribution. Thanks for the suggestion. DB
Thank you for your hard work, keep it up
So just because you found a manuscript that might contain some scribal mistake, doesn't change anything about the authenticity of the Qur'an. There were many scribes that wrote the Qur'an. Use your brain
@XCS8000 For more info watch this "without" sentiment ua-cam.com/video/RkuZDHgmJBw/v-deo.html
I don't know, couldn't you take a course in Pronunciation? This is an difficult subject. For foreigners you are extremely difficult to understand! I listen to Dr. Jay Smith and understand him perfectly. It is not the speed of your speech. You have a blurred pronunciation, that makes it difficult to understand, especially with the Arabic words between. - The underline script helps not much. - Sorry, about that comment. I'm too interested in the subject as not to open up to you!
Thank you for this suggestion. It is helpful. Best wishes, DB
There are about approx. 4000 pages of different Quranic manuscripts from the 7th century available today for academic studies throughout the world. Scholars are able to detect the reasons for misprints, erasing of letters, or spelling mistakes by cross-checking those manuscripts. Whereas, with the Bible, it's worldwide known and attested by numerous scholars and academics that it had been written by many different unknown authors throughout the centuries with grave historical, contextual and illogic discrepanies, errors and contradictions, be it the Old Testament or the new one. I'm sure that every academic study is important. However, just showing some erased spots and lexical ambiguity on one manuscript without cross-checking with other contemporary sources and without coming to an academic conclusion is just humbug. Try the Bible. There's enough material to fill your whole academic career.
You haven't thought that those are just scribal errors that were corrected on the spot since they didn't have the typing machines and printers to correct them back then! And you didn't bother to look at other earlier manuscripts that doesn't contain those corrections..! Also you made some bad mistakes there too.. if you add the ( أ ) to قرئ it wouldn't mean (I read) that would mean something else instead! And أقرأ is the correct word for "I read". You need to stop using google translation Dan! Seriously!
Not to mention that you spelled قرئ so horribly and confused it with قرية Which means a village! Lol
Who give the authority to correct instead of allah because the quran is preserve
And by the way the preserve quran with allah is in scribble error ❓or did allah correct them since allah don't have printing machine
It should be easy for a scholar to tell if the corrections were made by the original scribe or a later one. Let wait and see how he answers. Also, what manuscripts are you referring to which do not have these variants in these Surahs?
@@0Er0 the answer please 🙏🙏🙏
@@R2026I i dont understand your english
@@R2026I you must be so ignorant that you have no idea how scribes copied the Quran under the supervision and checking just like when you release a book you'd double check it before you give it to the customer they were humans and some of the scribes were not professional and some of them were professional so when they were copying it it into many copies it's totally natural to make mistakes as soon as they can spot them and correct them immediately if you copy a book and you make errors it's possible to make them but you must correct them! And we don't find those errors on the earliest manuscripta so your whole arguments falls on its face! That's how it was preserved to this day! You will never find a book that is well preserved that perfectly! I advice you to stop embarrassing yourself and do more researches on this before you comment next time!
Friends: To be clear, I am not suggesting that all of these were meaningful variants as first written. Some or all might have been mere scribal error. What I try to do as a matter of course is think whether would have been a viable reading as it appears to have first been written. This is just a part of the process, and that was what you saw me doing in this video. However, it is only a thought process, not a conclusion. There is much more that would go into a serious consideration of these things, including looking at other places in the same manuscript where the same words or phrases occur, or other manuscripts, including earlier ones, and so forth. So, please understand that I am just showing the page and pointing out that 1) corrections are relatively frequent, and 2) corrections sometimes have possibilities other than mere scribal errors. Thanks again for watching.
Whether the meaning changed nor not is not the issue. Muslims have claimed that NOTHING (not a word, not a letter, not a mark) in the Qur'an has changed throughout the centuries. As long as there is ONE such change, their argument fails.
Besides, what about those embarrassing verses that Aisha's tame sheep ate just after the death of Muhammad? That would be omissions in the Qur'an, so again, the Qur'an was NOT perfectly preserved.
@Paco Newwave good...which quran did uthman burn when he try to compile the first quran?
That act by uthman proves that quran is not preserve...
@Paco Newwave An Ahruf and A Qirrat
Clearly you don't even know either!
And yes there are different Corans out there, or One Coran with many readings, which one is the true one? None! Because it was not perfectly preserved.
You lost an entire Sourah to a sheep 🤣
@XCS8000 There are many instances of erasures leaving gaps in the manuscripts. Some are best explained by simple error (e.g. dittography resulting from parablepsis, followed by subsequent erasure ... I can tell later what this means), but others are not. When I publish my big book, it will have many examples of all these different types. As to photographs, I have my personal photos of all pages of all early Quran manuscripts from the Museum of Islamic Art (as of five years ago; they have likely added to the collection since), yes, and will be showing and discussing in due course. Good question, thanks, DB
I am a muslim. I want to thank you for your clarification, in part. A large amount of these lean towards obvious scribal errors. Your work is interesting. I am following it as a learning tool.
No wonder Yasir Qadhi said that the Standard Narrative of the Qurans has Giant Holes
What are the holes? Can you tell?
@@najaah62 If you have been following this channel, am very sure you would have understood that the standard narrative of the Qurans has giant holes
@@lastprophet8338
What are the holes precisely? Tell me.
@@najaah62 I hope you have seen how Muslims have erased and added so many things to the manuscripts of the Quran. Why do we have so many different Arabic Qurans circulating worldwide today?
@@najaah62 Which Quran do you read? 1924 Hafs, Warsh, Diouri or any of the other over 30 different Arabic Qurans?
There's more HOLES THAN NARRATIVE!!!
"Its not wise to speak about these things in public yah akhi!"
That is why I’m ex Muslim
Lol you can add me on
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My name is Muhamad Sarhad
@Paco Newwave Are you implying that nobody has ever left the cult of Islam?
@Paco Newwave Explain to me why people are executed if they leave Islam.
Better to have Good hold over Arabic, before Discussing Various Quranic Codex. Otherwise it becomes a Narrative like:
Jesus is God
God Sacrificed God
Son is God of Father
Human is Born Sinner etc
That, not even Christians understand
I would've Loved to assist you in this Endeavour, provided Honesty & Availability on your part.
The trinity is not even in the bible plus there are christians who believe that jesus (PBUH) was only a human being
@@theguyver4934 you lot a bunch of dishonest n hypocrites. Why don’t u tell the non Arabic speaking Muslims to have a better hold of the Arabic language before they can become Muslims? Continue to live in denial bcos ur own sheikhs will continue to expose Islam.
@@jesusislord9999 - Watch sean finnegan's seminar on did the early christians believe in the trinity
@@theguyver4934 what are we talking about manuscript or trinity? You can never fill the holes in the narrative. Who erased the letters n made the insertions? What was the motive behind it? Think about it n come back
@@jesusislord9999 - I will agree with you on the part of manuscripts
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us !!!!
I look forward to each episode, your presentation is getting better by the way.
Studying 10,000 manuscripts is impossible but it is not impossibles for Bukhari to memorize 75,000 hadiths. lol
@@valentintomberg4276 lol I’m dying laughing to this comment. Try counting to 300 000 see how much time it takes. If you go 1 per second it will still take you 3.5 days without sleeping or anything else... you are so full of bullshit it’s amazing. And suggesting that he could remember it all perfectly... you are such a brainwashed sheep🤦🏻♂️
@@valentintomberg4276 Do u know how many times Muhammad forgot Quranic verses? He was a prophet of Allah yet he couldn't know remember a simple verse. u telling me to believe a mere human remember all these hadith with narrations, etc etc. do u know there are hadith they are even go to 2, A4 size papers. lol
@@valentintomberg4276 bahahahahahahahahaha
Classic 😂😂😂
@@akbar8427 I know very well it was only a quote, to show how crazy this claims are.
Dan, please cover ink composition, watermarks, and hands! ;-)
How fortunate we are to live in a time when access to these manuscripts can be made widely available, and that Dr. Brubaker's work can bring them to us!
**Let me present you with the academic perspective for the preservation and the transmission of the quran:**
By academic standards, the author of the quran is anonymous. The modern quran that many muslims read today was compiled by the Cairo government in the year 1924. There is no evidence to prove that this is the same quran that came from muhamad. The oldest manuscript of the quran is the Birmingham manuscript which contains only 2 pages and the contents of these manuscripts contain pre islamic texts. A complete quran can be only found several centuries after the death of muhamad. Also, there have been discoveries of several different qurans with thousands of variants among them including variations in words, letters, meanings and sentence structure. Academic scholars also state the quran plagiarizes from several ancient fairy tales and mythology before it. Obviously the quran is an evolved text and many parts were added to it later on.
**Now let me explain to you about the preservation and the transmission of the quran from the perspective of islamic traditions:**
According to islamic traditions, muhamad was an illiterate. He never wrote down the quran but it was his scribes who wrote it down. The funny thing is that all these islamic traditions which are called **hadiths** were compiled 250 years after muhamad. So we don't have any contemporary evidence from the time of muhamad that proves that it was muhamad who recited the quran. There is also no eyewitness testimony from the time of muhamad that he received revelations from allah through angel gibril. The muslims claim that they have chains of narrators starting from muhamad himself that prove the quran came from him. But academic scholars reject these chains of narrators on the grounds that many of these chains of narrators were invented or fabricated by later generation of muslims. Even muslim scholars themselves reject the authenticity of the hadiths and are constantly in dispute over them. Even different sects of islam such as shias and sunnis have different set of hadiths.
Let me also quote to you the testimonies of several academic scholars and scholars of textual criticism upon whom I have based my opinions:
“…the standard Egyptian edition of the Qur’an, first published on July 10, 1924…in Cairo [is] now widely seen as the official text of the Qur’an.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
“In the early twentieth century…the shape of the Qur’an would have seemed anything but clear. In fact, the Egyptian government was motivated to begin the project that would lead to the Cairo Qur’an edition due to the variations (or “errors,” as an appendix to the Cairo edition describes them) found in the Qur’anic texts that they had been importing for state schools.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
However, the Cairo [standardized] text is often at odds with manuscript evidence.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
The common belief that the Qur’an has a single, unambiguous reading is due in part to the bravado of translators, who rarely express doubt about their choices.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
“In response [to the variant Quranic texts], the [Egyptian] government destroyed a large number of such [variant] texts by sinking them in the Nile River and issued its own text.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
**Fred donner**
Qur'anic studies, as a field of academic research, appears today to be in a state of disarray. Those of us who study Islam's origins have to admit collectively that we simply do not know some very basic things about the Qur'an - things so basic that the knowledge of them is usually taken for granted by scholars dealing with other texts. They include such questions as: How did the Qur'an originate? Where did it come from, and when did it first appear? How was it first written? In what kind of language was - is - it written? What form did it first take? Who constituted its first audience? How was it transmitted from one generation to another, especially in its early years? When, how, and by whom was it codified? Those familiar with the Qur'an and the scholarship on it will know that to ask even one of these questions immediately plunges us into realms of grave uncertainty and has the potential to spark intense debate. To put it another way, on these basic issues there is little consensus even among the well-trained scholars who work on them.*
Islamic tradition argues that the Qur’an’s transmission was firmly controlled by the practice of oral recitation; the revelations received by Muhammad were learned from him as recitations by his followers, and were sometime later written down to form the Qur’an text we have today… Doubts have been shed, however, on this traditional view…Moreover, there is mounting evidence that the Qur’an text, or parts of it at least, must at some stage in its history have been transmitted in purely written form, without the benefit of a controlling tradition of active recitation.” -****Fred M. Donner, THE QUR’AN IN RECENT SCHOLARSHIP, p. 40.***
**James Bellamy states:**
“They [variant readings] are important to us here because they prove that there was no oral tradition stemming directly from the prophet strong enough to overcome all the uncertainties inherent in the writing system.” -James A. Bellamy, “Some Proposed Emendations to the Text of the Koran,” Journal of the American Oriental Society, 113(4), 563.*
**Devin Stewart** notes this as well:
“The tradition of Qur’anic recitation can be shown to ignore or run roughshod over many discernible or retrievable features of the text, particularly with regard to rhyme, that must represent the oldest stage of its performance. In addition, while many of the variants recognized as legitimate within Islamic tradition may plausibly have arisen through oral transmission, many others cannot, being based on graphic and not phonic, resemblance.”*
**Devin J. Stewart**, Notes on medieval and modern emendations of the Qur’an. In Gabriel Said Reynolds, The Qur’an in Its Historical Context. London, Routledge: 2007, 229.*
**CONCLUSION:**
We can clearly see from the testimony of academic scholars that the perfect preservation and transmission of the quran from muhamad is nothing but a myth and fantasy based on religious and emotional claims.
@@jxcess3891 Wow it must have taken alot of time and effort to come up with this much rubbish. It's truly saddening that you have to resort to such measures to further your agenda. Oh well, we'll just sit back and watch you make a fool of yourself. Ta da young man.
@@AT-dl3ru
Cartoon of muhummud and aisha 👉🐷👶
@@jxcess3891 *AcAdEmIc PeRsPeCtIvE*
Hahaha. Go do your fact checking son.
@@AT-dl3ru
Ok don-key 😂
I feel sorry for atheist.. the more u prove nothing.. the more Islam grows..
@OTTO OCTAVIOUS I am a Muslim.. and we receive new Muslims almost every month.. not everyone is prepared to listen to nonsense you people are cooking.. the truth always prevails
Thank you DB❗
Hahahaha he read the Arabic incorrectly hahaha expert ?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are laughing about his Arabic n you’re not worried about the fake manuscript 😂😂. Ask yourself who erased the letters n who made the insertions n what was the motive behind it? Think about it critically
@@jesusislord9999
Of course we laughed at his incompetent in Arabic language. Due to that, his thought is shallow.
@@letmetalk2240 that’s Islam for u. It stops critical thinking
With all these differences, It's funny how Muslim think the Quran is from Allah
Theyre not differences, theyre recitations :upside_down:
@Ardian Maliqaj are you talking about the Quran or Bible?
Differences??! are you trying to say that corrections of scribal errors are differences? Lol
@@israfilangel8062 The truth of the matter however is that there are significant differences which cannot simply be waived away or ignored…
For example:
2:125 in Hafs is وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take) / In Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).
In 2:125 the subject being addressed is that of “Maqam Ibrahim”. One version gives a command/order, while the other states a historical fact/observation.
3:146 in Hafs is قاتل “Qatal” (Fought) / In Warsh it is ُقتل “Qutil” (Were Killed).
In 3:146 the difference is between a prophet and those with him being killed, while in the other the difference only means that they fought by his side.
Verse counts for Hafs are 6236, while Warsh records 6214 (other versions record 6616, 6217, 6204, and 6262).
@@israfilangel8062 How do YOU know it is a scribal error? 😂
get some basic arabic understanding then come back again here.
Please be specific. Thanks, DB
@@variantquran4505 specific enough? ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
He doesn’t need any basic Arabic understanding to do what he’s doing. You can continue to live in denial but the way how many Muslims have basic Arabic understanding? Almost 95% of Muslims in the west have no basic Arabic understanding yet they are Muslims n hold the Quran. Give them the basic Arabic understanding first before u come back n comment on Dr DB video
I'm in denial?!
lol.. what the hell are you smoking exactly. the truth is out there. you just have to open your mind to it.
ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
MAn this guy is AMAZING .Look forward to seeing more
**Let me present you with the academic perspective for the preservation and the transmission of the quran:**
By academic standards, the author of the quran is anonymous. The modern quran that many muslims read today was compiled by the Cairo government in the year 1924. There is no evidence to prove that this is the same quran that came from muhamad. The oldest manuscript of the quran is the Birmingham manuscript which contains only 2 pages and the contents of these manuscripts contain pre islamic texts. A complete quran can be only found several centuries after the death of muhamad. Also, there have been discoveries of several different qurans with thousands of variants among them including variations in words, letters, meanings and sentence structure. Academic scholars also state the quran plagiarizes from several ancient fairy tales and mythology before it. Obviously the quran is an evolved text and many parts were added to it later on.
**Now let me explain to you about the preservation and the transmission of the quran from the perspective of islamic traditions:**
According to islamic traditions, muhamad was an illiterate. He never wrote down the quran but it was his scribes who wrote it down. The funny thing is that all these islamic traditions which are called **hadiths** were compiled 250 years after muhamad. So we don't have any contemporary evidence from the time of muhamad that proves that it was muhamad who recited the quran. There is also no eyewitness testimony from the time of muhamad that he received revelations from allah through angel gibril. The muslims claim that they have chains of narrators starting from muhamad himself that prove the quran came from him. But academic scholars reject these chains of narrators on the grounds that many of these chains of narrators were invented or fabricated by later generation of muslims. Even muslim scholars themselves reject the authenticity of the hadiths and are constantly in dispute over them. Even different sects of islam such as shias and sunnis have different set of hadiths.
Let me also quote to you the testimonies of several academic scholars and scholars of textual criticism upon whom I have based my opinions:
“…the standard Egyptian edition of the Qur’an, first published on July 10, 1924…in Cairo [is] now widely seen as the official text of the Qur’an.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
“In the early twentieth century…the shape of the Qur’an would have seemed anything but clear. In fact, the Egyptian government was motivated to begin the project that would lead to the Cairo Qur’an edition due to the variations (or “errors,” as an appendix to the Cairo edition describes them) found in the Qur’anic texts that they had been importing for state schools.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
However, the Cairo [standardized] text is often at odds with manuscript evidence.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
The common belief that the Qur’an has a single, unambiguous reading is due in part to the bravado of translators, who rarely express doubt about their choices.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
“In response [to the variant Quranic texts], the [Egyptian] government destroyed a large number of such [variant] texts by sinking them in the Nile River and issued its own text.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
**Fred donner**
Qur'anic studies, as a field of academic research, appears today to be in a state of disarray. Those of us who study Islam's origins have to admit collectively that we simply do not know some very basic things about the Qur'an - things so basic that the knowledge of them is usually taken for granted by scholars dealing with other texts. They include such questions as: How did the Qur'an originate? Where did it come from, and when did it first appear? How was it first written? In what kind of language was - is - it written? What form did it first take? Who constituted its first audience? How was it transmitted from one generation to another, especially in its early years? When, how, and by whom was it codified? Those familiar with the Qur'an and the scholarship on it will know that to ask even one of these questions immediately plunges us into realms of grave uncertainty and has the potential to spark intense debate. To put it another way, on these basic issues there is little consensus even among the well-trained scholars who work on them.*
Islamic tradition argues that the Qur’an’s transmission was firmly controlled by the practice of oral recitation; the revelations received by Muhammad were learned from him as recitations by his followers, and were sometime later written down to form the Qur’an text we have today… Doubts have been shed, however, on this traditional view…Moreover, there is mounting evidence that the Qur’an text, or parts of it at least, must at some stage in its history have been transmitted in purely written form, without the benefit of a controlling tradition of active recitation.” -****Fred M. Donner, THE QUR’AN IN RECENT SCHOLARSHIP, p. 40.***
**James Bellamy states:**
“They [variant readings] are important to us here because they prove that there was no oral tradition stemming directly from the prophet strong enough to overcome all the uncertainties inherent in the writing system.” -James A. Bellamy, “Some Proposed Emendations to the Text of the Koran,” Journal of the American Oriental Society, 113(4), 563.*
**Devin Stewart** notes this as well:
“The tradition of Qur’anic recitation can be shown to ignore or run roughshod over many discernible or retrievable features of the text, particularly with regard to rhyme, that must represent the oldest stage of its performance. In addition, while many of the variants recognized as legitimate within Islamic tradition may plausibly have arisen through oral transmission, many others cannot, being based on graphic and not phonic, resemblance.”*
**Devin J. Stewart**, Notes on medieval and modern emendations of the Qur’an. In Gabriel Said Reynolds, The Qur’an in Its Historical Context. London, Routledge: 2007, 229.*
**CONCLUSION:**
We can clearly see from the testimony of academic scholars that the perfect preservation and transmission of the quran from muhamad is nothing but a myth and fantasy based on religious and emotional claims.
@@jxcess3891 Great Job I will use this
@@jxcess3891
>>>>The modern quran that many muslims read today was compiled by the Cairo government in the year 1924.
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It was the printed version then .. and of course the printed versions are widely circulated compared to the handwritten versions.
ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
@@atiqullahishaqzai2454 He just addressed this issue. Also if you are truly looking for answers answer this series of Question
Who is the spirit that entered Mary in Surah 66:12 , 4:171, who is the spirit t supported Jesus 2:87 2:253, and who is the spirit that healed and raised the Dead and the clay bird 5:110. There's a spirit referenced in all those surahs what is that spirit?
Keep on saying holes holes for another 2000 years
While Quran will still exist and there will be more bibles coming soon with more versions and mistranslation and churches transforming to mosques
Matthew 7:13-14
New International Version
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
That truth hurts, right? But it will set you free.. the truth of the matter is , you were lied to when your imam told you that there is one quran and is unchanged till now.
Handle the truth and accept it, Friend
Well said bro, they keep making all these stupid jokes yet the Quran has remained intact. When people have nothing good to offer about the Quran. The best they do is drama's and gibberish.
Christians are becoming very desperate. I’m not surprised since Christianity is declining very, very, very fast. If you ask them what’re the “holes” they won’t know how to reply.
@@AhmedIbrahim-vf6ky whats your proof other than opinion. 😂
The "when I read the Quran" version could fit to the theory of Sneaker's Corner, that Mohammad possibly was a compound character. One of the contributing real life candidates in their opinion is Iyas ibn Qabisah, nickname Mohammad, governor of al-Hirah in the Lakhmid kingdom. I am saying this, because the quote reminds me of Moses as a leader reading the Torah to the Israelites. The nickname Mohammad indicates that this was a leader who took his faith seriously and he could have read from a lectionary ("quran") to the public.
@Sneaker's Corner
You need to read the latest Western Scholarship regarding this. These views are old and gone. Even Patricia Crone did not ascribe to these views.
@G Can you recommend me a book or article on this?
@@veronikaatthewell9116 Seeing Islam as others saw it is a book for this.
This theory of what's supposed to be written and how it's read has already been debunked by Brother Manshur, which shows us how shallow his analysis and his arabic knowledge. I know arabic but I'm not a master, and seeing the fundamental mistake he made implies that you need to find a better scholar to criticize the Qur'an. I'm sorry.
@As-Sunnah id What precisely has been debunked since changes can be seen all over the place for anyone with eyes to see? Secondly what are the credentials of this "brother Manshur"? Has he a PhD like Dr Brubaker?
Dr Brubaker.... you really need to improve your basic Arabic...this is shameful for western scholarship...
Please provide specifics. DB
@@variantquran4505
Sure... the erasure of the alif is correct and done correctly by the scribe for example in 6:53.
Your reading and explanation with the the supposed alif that was erased is false.
@@Logia1978 Thank you for this clarification of your criticism.
Sorry,
Just saw in comments that someone already pointed out the mistake...
@@variantquran4505 Is this of specific to you? According to this muslim scholar, your work is incompetence, careless and dishonest; simply because your arabic language competency is at a too basic level. ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
Excellent video. Very informative
Great work ... Good job. God bless Dr. DB
Thank you very much!
God bless u🙏
Accusation that you have an agenda being a Christian is simply stupid. What if you were an atheist an showed these changes...will that make a difference in these man made changes ?.
Whether he is a Christian or not. This is another proof. It's not compulsory you believe. But the true God knows his own
Got to ask Dr..did Muhammad really exist ?
Most scholars accept prophet Muhammad is a historical figure and he was buried in his house in medina, currently within the Prophet's mosque
Yeah .. ask about Jesus also .. is he real?
There was no mohammed
@Language and Programming Channel is your grandfather really exist?
@Language and Programming Channel Yeah doesn't matter even I CLEARLY read ur comment. U still don't exist.
Thank you for all your hard work !
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What hard work, the man doesn't know basic Arabic grammar haha
God bless you Dr. Brubaker, you are such a blessing to us.
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Ahmed Mansur's many twists and turns, he did not really notice what was wrong with Dr. Brubaker, Mansur just extended the explanation without hesitation. If Dr. Brubaker is really wrong in his revelation, Mansur's argument should be exposed that Dr. Brubaker is wrong. This is just proof that Mansur had a hard time with Dr. Brubaker, Mansur did not destroy Dr. Brubaker. Thanks to the Lord Jesus, that Dr. Brubaker by exposing the misfortune and error of the Quran, lslam is falling apart.
Respected brother Daniel. Why don't you accept Islam? What is preventing you from accepting the truth?
Please accept before its too late.
U comparing with one of the many old pieces of manuscripts, but muslims have memorised recitations to confirm any manuscripts, so any errors get identified easily.
@XCS8000 there are no edits. Different recitations in different dialects with the standard hijazi dialect from the prophet. Doesn't matter which way u try to twist that, its not going to work because its been written down from memorisation in the first place. We know our preservation
Thank you Dr Brubaker for the excellent work that you do. God Bless You 🙏..
Polish fan I speak English Little.
Qadhi can't defend Islam so in frustration he tries to slander Dan, David Wood and others.
Breastfeeding for adults in islam 😂 illamduallah
sunnah.com/muslim/17/19
Umm Habiba, the daughter of AbuSufyan, reported:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to me and I said to him: Have you any inclination towards my the daughter of Abu Sufyan? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Then what should I do? I said: Marry her. He said: Do you like that? I said: I am not the exclusive (wife) of yours; I, therefore, wish to join my sister in good. He, said: She is not lawful for me. I said: I have been informed that you have given the proposal of marriage to Durrah daughter of Abu Salama He raid: You mean the daughter of Umm Salama? I said: Yes. He said: Even if she had not been my step-daughter brought up under my guardianship, she would not have been lawful for me, for she is the daughter of my foster-brother (Hamza), for Thuwaiba had suckled me and her father. So do not give me the proposal of the marriage of your daughters and sisters.
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو كُرَيْبٍ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْعَلاَءِ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، أَخْبَرَنَا هِشَامٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبِي، عَنْ زَيْنَبَ بِنْتِ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ أُمِّ حَبِيبَةَ بِنْتِ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ، قَالَتْ دَخَلَ عَلَىَّ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُلْتُ لَهُ هَلْ لَكَ فِي أُخْتِي بِنْتِ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ فَقَالَ " أَفْعَلُ مَاذَا " . قُلْتُ تَنْكِحُهَا . قَالَ " أَوَتُحِبِّينَ ذَلِكَ " . قُلْتُ لَسْتُ لَكَ بِمُخْلِيَةٍ وَأَحَبُّ مَنْ شَرِكَنِي فِي الْخَيْرِ أُخْتِي . قَالَ " فَإِنَّهَا لاَ تَحِلُّ لِي " . قُلْتُ فَإِنِّي أُخْبِرْتُ أَنَّكَ تَخْطُبُ دُرَّةَ بِنْتَ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ . قَالَ " بِنْتَ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ " . قُلْتُ نَعَمْ . قَالَ " لَوْ أَنَّهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ رَبِيبَتِي فِي حَجْرِي مَا حَلَّتْ لِي إِنَّهَا ابْنَةُ أَخِي مِنَ الرَّضَاعَةِ أَرْضَعَتْنِي وَأَبَاهَا ثُوَيْبَةُ فَلاَ تَعْرِضْنَ عَلَىَّ بَنَاتِكُنَّ وَلاَ أَخَوَاتِكُنَّ " .
Reference : Sahih Muslim 1449 aIn-book reference : Book 17, Hadith 19USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3412 (de
sunnah.com/muslim/17/34
Sahih Muslim 1453 b
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and said:
Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.
وَحَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الْحَنْظَلِيُّ، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ، جَمِيعًا عَنِ الثَّقَفِيِّ، - قَالَ ابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَهَّابِ الثَّقَفِيُّ، - عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي مُلَيْكَةَ، عَنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ سَالِمًا، مَوْلَى أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ كَانَ مَعَ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ وَأَهْلِهِ فِي بَيْتِهِمْ فَأَتَتْ - تَعْنِي ابْنَةَ سُهَيْلٍ - النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ إِنَّ سَالِمًا قَدْ بَلَغَ مَا يَبْلُغُ الرِّجَالُ وَعَقَلَ مَا عَقَلُوا وَإِنَّهُ يَدْخُلُ عَلَيْنَا وَإِنِّي أَظُنُّ أَنَّ فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ شَيْئًا . فَقَالَ لَهَا النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " أَرْضِعِيهِ تَحْرُمِي عَلَيْهِ وَيَذْهَبِ الَّذِي فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ " . فَرَجَعَتْ فَقَالَتْ إِنِّي قَدْ أَرْضَعْتُهُ فَذَهَبَ الَّذِي فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ .
Reference : Sahih Muslim 1453 bIn-book reference : Book 17, Hadith 34USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3425 (deprecated numbering scheme)
@Ogfehnv Hiopg bible was written 40 years after jesus and quan 400 years after momo 🤣🤣
@Ogfehnv Hiopg the dual nature of God exists in old testament and in the quran too
@Ogfehnv Hiopg You are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Muslims never figure out how they shoot Islam in the foot everytime they quote the Bible. Muhammad said that the Torah, psalms and gospels were sent down from Allah and that the words of Allah can never be changed or corrupted. He also said to consult the people of the book (Jews and Christians) to verify that his words are true. So you have to agree with the bible, including those parts that say Jesus is God, or you are disagreeing with Muhammad. You can't have that both ways. Remember there was already a complete Bible formed hundreds of years before Muhammad existed.
@Ogfehnv Hiopg ok who is Abu bakkar aisha how are they connected to momo what are your proves and idiot don't you know that quran is just an hadith
So you went and guessed the letter missing rather than use knowledge of Classical Arabic grammar? Its funny how these orientalists discuss the quran and think they are clever than 1,500 years of scholarly work. I thought orientalists died off in the 1940s, Please get a grip of arabic grammar first because this is just shoddy.
Unless I know your specific concern about this video, it is hard for me to address it. Thanks. DB
Welldone sir
May Allah give you "Hidayah"
May you find Jesus as your Lord and God so that you have Peace.
John 14:6 The only Way
@@Christian.Portugues.Francisco we Worship the God of Jesus, thank you
Allah doesnt exist.
@@Christian.Portugues.Francisco - Jesus was only human being
@@aliyangco8178 Jesus Christ is God.
All i saw is just opinion nothing else .
Because Christianity is a religion based on opinion. They are used to it.
this is so irrelevant and stupid the quran is preserved comparing a quran fragment from 1200 years ago where the text on some letters has decayed over time does not prove nothing the Quran is preserved and it was created by god this way in the way its written to preserve it its miraculous its the final message of good and prophet Mouhammad peace be upon him the seal of all prophets
@XCS8000 you sounded desperate already.
The peaceful passages are abrogated by the later violent passages .
The so-called 'violent' passages give us the right to defend and protect our rights.
JHL JHL can u give example just 1?
God bless you.
Breastfeeding for adults in islam 😂 illamduallah
sunnah.com/muslim/17/19
Umm Habiba, the daughter of AbuSufyan, reported:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to me and I said to him: Have you any inclination towards my the daughter of Abu Sufyan? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Then what should I do? I said: Marry her. He said: Do you like that? I said: I am not the exclusive (wife) of yours; I, therefore, wish to join my sister in good. He, said: She is not lawful for me. I said: I have been informed that you have given the proposal of marriage to Durrah daughter of Abu Salama He raid: You mean the daughter of Umm Salama? I said: Yes. He said: Even if she had not been my step-daughter brought up under my guardianship, she would not have been lawful for me, for she is the daughter of my foster-brother (Hamza), for Thuwaiba had suckled me and her father. So do not give me the proposal of the marriage of your daughters and sisters.
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو كُرَيْبٍ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْعَلاَءِ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، أَخْبَرَنَا هِشَامٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبِي، عَنْ زَيْنَبَ بِنْتِ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ أُمِّ حَبِيبَةَ بِنْتِ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ، قَالَتْ دَخَلَ عَلَىَّ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُلْتُ لَهُ هَلْ لَكَ فِي أُخْتِي بِنْتِ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ فَقَالَ " أَفْعَلُ مَاذَا " . قُلْتُ تَنْكِحُهَا . قَالَ " أَوَتُحِبِّينَ ذَلِكَ " . قُلْتُ لَسْتُ لَكَ بِمُخْلِيَةٍ وَأَحَبُّ مَنْ شَرِكَنِي فِي الْخَيْرِ أُخْتِي . قَالَ " فَإِنَّهَا لاَ تَحِلُّ لِي " . قُلْتُ فَإِنِّي أُخْبِرْتُ أَنَّكَ تَخْطُبُ دُرَّةَ بِنْتَ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ . قَالَ " بِنْتَ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ " . قُلْتُ نَعَمْ . قَالَ " لَوْ أَنَّهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ رَبِيبَتِي فِي حَجْرِي مَا حَلَّتْ لِي إِنَّهَا ابْنَةُ أَخِي مِنَ الرَّضَاعَةِ أَرْضَعَتْنِي وَأَبَاهَا ثُوَيْبَةُ فَلاَ تَعْرِضْنَ عَلَىَّ بَنَاتِكُنَّ وَلاَ أَخَوَاتِكُنَّ " .
Reference : Sahih Muslim 1449 aIn-book reference : Book 17, Hadith 19USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3412 (de
sunnah.com/muslim/17/34
Sahih Muslim 1453 b
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and said:
Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.
وَحَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الْحَنْظَلِيُّ، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ، جَمِيعًا عَنِ الثَّقَفِيِّ، - قَالَ ابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَهَّابِ الثَّقَفِيُّ، - عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي مُلَيْكَةَ، عَنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ سَالِمًا، مَوْلَى أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ كَانَ مَعَ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ وَأَهْلِهِ فِي بَيْتِهِمْ فَأَتَتْ - تَعْنِي ابْنَةَ سُهَيْلٍ - النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ إِنَّ سَالِمًا قَدْ بَلَغَ مَا يَبْلُغُ الرِّجَالُ وَعَقَلَ مَا عَقَلُوا وَإِنَّهُ يَدْخُلُ عَلَيْنَا وَإِنِّي أَظُنُّ أَنَّ فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ شَيْئًا . فَقَالَ لَهَا النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " أَرْضِعِيهِ تَحْرُمِي عَلَيْهِ وَيَذْهَبِ الَّذِي فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ " . فَرَجَعَتْ فَقَالَتْ إِنِّي قَدْ أَرْضَعْتُهُ فَذَهَبَ الَّذِي فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ .
Reference : Sahih Muslim 1453 bIn-book reference : Book 17, Hadith 34USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3425 (deprecated numbering scheme)
ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
@A Proud Believer psalm 104:5 is metaphorical 🤣🤣
What are you trying to prove? That scribes made errors? or changes? All the examples you mentioned in this video don't have any impact on the meaning of any of their relevant verses whatsoever. So they would most probably be scribal errors corrected by others who revised their writing. Compare this to the introduction of the entire story of the women caught in adultery to the gospel of John. It is not found in ancient manuscripts nor in ancient commentaries on the gospel of John! Or the triadic formula inserted in 1 John 5:7 not found in any Greek manuscripts. I am not against critical studying of the Quran but if you want to prove the Quran is variant and has been changed why not give strong compelling evidence like the ones I gave off the top of my head regarding the New Testament?
Not trying to prove. Trying to study. The reason we know more about NT and Hebrew Bible text traditions is that they have been subjected to critical studies, including the manuscripts, for a long time now. The same is only beginning with the Quran, and I am a small part of that work. Thanks Ahmad, DB
@@variantquran4505 When you have a lot to learn but presented your half-baked theory, meaning you are lying. I knew Paul let you do that for Christ sake.
@@variantquran4505 There is a huge difference between errors In the Bible and the Quran that you just pointed out ! Let’s not compare the 2 ! Bible says totally opposite or different things about the same person and the things you said about the Quran don’t even change the meaning of the sentence !
@@variantquran4505 It's been well established that the differences are due to differences in dialect that existed at the time and do not change the meaning at all.
I love your methodical presentations and how you rightly correct your critics.
You Got Debunked! Bruh..
Will you do a video on your library?
That could be a super interesting set of videos... or a very long video! I would love to know why he picked those specific books, as well as when he got them.
@@alanbutler7712 yep. I’m 15 and want to do what he does but on the true word of God, the holy Bible.
Jesus blesses you and your family... Great work Dr.
It is always a pleasure watching your videos and learning more about the variants in Quran I am bless to receive such insights.✝️👍🏽
Breastfeeding for adults in islam 😂 illamduallah
sunnah.com/muslim/17/19
Umm Habiba, the daughter of AbuSufyan, reported:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to me and I said to him: Have you any inclination towards my the daughter of Abu Sufyan? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Then what should I do? I said: Marry her. He said: Do you like that? I said: I am not the exclusive (wife) of yours; I, therefore, wish to join my sister in good. He, said: She is not lawful for me. I said: I have been informed that you have given the proposal of marriage to Durrah daughter of Abu Salama He raid: You mean the daughter of Umm Salama? I said: Yes. He said: Even if she had not been my step-daughter brought up under my guardianship, she would not have been lawful for me, for she is the daughter of my foster-brother (Hamza), for Thuwaiba had suckled me and her father. So do not give me the proposal of the marriage of your daughters and sisters.
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو كُرَيْبٍ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْعَلاَءِ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، أَخْبَرَنَا هِشَامٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبِي، عَنْ زَيْنَبَ بِنْتِ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ أُمِّ حَبِيبَةَ بِنْتِ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ، قَالَتْ دَخَلَ عَلَىَّ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُلْتُ لَهُ هَلْ لَكَ فِي أُخْتِي بِنْتِ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ فَقَالَ " أَفْعَلُ مَاذَا " . قُلْتُ تَنْكِحُهَا . قَالَ " أَوَتُحِبِّينَ ذَلِكَ " . قُلْتُ لَسْتُ لَكَ بِمُخْلِيَةٍ وَأَحَبُّ مَنْ شَرِكَنِي فِي الْخَيْرِ أُخْتِي . قَالَ " فَإِنَّهَا لاَ تَحِلُّ لِي " . قُلْتُ فَإِنِّي أُخْبِرْتُ أَنَّكَ تَخْطُبُ دُرَّةَ بِنْتَ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ . قَالَ " بِنْتَ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ " . قُلْتُ نَعَمْ . قَالَ " لَوْ أَنَّهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ رَبِيبَتِي فِي حَجْرِي مَا حَلَّتْ لِي إِنَّهَا ابْنَةُ أَخِي مِنَ الرَّضَاعَةِ أَرْضَعَتْنِي وَأَبَاهَا ثُوَيْبَةُ فَلاَ تَعْرِضْنَ عَلَىَّ بَنَاتِكُنَّ وَلاَ أَخَوَاتِكُنَّ " .
Reference : Sahih Muslim 1449 aIn-book reference : Book 17, Hadith 19USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3412 (de
sunnah.com/muslim/17/34
Sahih Muslim 1453 b
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and said:
Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.
وَحَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الْحَنْظَلِيُّ، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ، جَمِيعًا عَنِ الثَّقَفِيِّ، - قَالَ ابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَهَّابِ الثَّقَفِيُّ، - عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي مُلَيْكَةَ، عَنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ سَالِمًا، مَوْلَى أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ كَانَ مَعَ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ وَأَهْلِهِ فِي بَيْتِهِمْ فَأَتَتْ - تَعْنِي ابْنَةَ سُهَيْلٍ - النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ إِنَّ سَالِمًا قَدْ بَلَغَ مَا يَبْلُغُ الرِّجَالُ وَعَقَلَ مَا عَقَلُوا وَإِنَّهُ يَدْخُلُ عَلَيْنَا وَإِنِّي أَظُنُّ أَنَّ فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ شَيْئًا . فَقَالَ لَهَا النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " أَرْضِعِيهِ تَحْرُمِي عَلَيْهِ وَيَذْهَبِ الَّذِي فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ " . فَرَجَعَتْ فَقَالَتْ إِنِّي قَدْ أَرْضَعْتُهُ فَذَهَبَ الَّذِي فِي نَفْسِ أَبِي حُذَيْفَةَ .
Reference : Sahih Muslim 1453 bIn-book reference : Book 17, Hadith 34USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3425 (deprecated numbering scheme)
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@@atiqullahishaqzai2454 Perfect preservation is out the window Hafs warsh and al doori they all have grammatical discrepancies.The Quran is not uncreated word of Allah, admitted already! there’s tons of proof that is very contrary to the link you provided.Mansur should not be trusted.
@@zoraidaortiz4743 I believe you don't even know what is Hafs Warsh etc.
Just parroting what others had said.
@Alliance 👍👍👍
Ad hominem criticisms can be a sign of desperation and are unscholarly.
One question do this manuscript from 7 centurry have the name mohammad in it.
Ore is mohammad a later insertion.
The word Mohammad is only present in 4 verses of the Quran, the page in question is not one of them.
@@_John_P can you find that word in any of 7 centurry fragments manuscripts
It was inserted at a later date. The manuscript has nothing about God.
@@thewordrevealsgod.7744 I'm not familiar with the content of the fragments.
@@jesusislord9999 He's asking about Mohammed, not Allah.
Walaupun banyak orang yang menentang atau tidak suka dengan pekerjaan anda ini, jangan patah semangat Pak, karena apa yang anda lakukan ini adalah baik adanya.
Tetap semangat,
IMMANUEL
Saya pikir ini perbuatan mulia.
Mestinya kalangan sarjana muslim yang melakukan penelitian.
Dan keberadaan manuskrip lama sangat berharga.
Manuskrip Ali tersimpan di iran.
Seems there might be some holes in the narrative.
Hillare Belloc Definitely! The holes are getting larger and deeper every day!
**Let me present you with the academic perspective for the preservation and the transmission of the quran:**
By academic standards, the author of the quran is anonymous. The modern quran that many muslims read today was compiled by the Cairo government in the year 1924. There is no evidence to prove that this is the same quran that came from muhamad. The oldest manuscript of the quran is the Birmingham manuscript which contains only 2 pages and the contents of these manuscripts contain pre islamic texts. A complete quran can be only found several centuries after the death of muhamad. Also, there have been discoveries of several different qurans with thousands of variants among them including variations in words, letters, meanings and sentence structure. Academic scholars also state the quran plagiarizes from several ancient fairy tales and mythology before it. Obviously the quran is an evolved text and many parts were added to it later on.
**Now let me explain to you about the preservation and the transmission of the quran from the perspective of islamic traditions:**
According to islamic traditions, muhamad was an illiterate. He never wrote down the quran but it was his scribes who wrote it down. The funny thing is that all these islamic traditions which are called **hadiths** were compiled 250 years after muhamad. So we don't have any contemporary evidence from the time of muhamad that proves that it was muhamad who recited the quran. There is also no eyewitness testimony from the time of muhamad that he received revelations from allah through angel gibril. The muslims claim that they have chains of narrators starting from muhamad himself that prove the quran came from him. But academic scholars reject these chains of narrators on the grounds that many of these chains of narrators were invented or fabricated by later generation of muslims. Even muslim scholars themselves reject the authenticity of the hadiths and are constantly in dispute over them. Even different sects of islam such as shias and sunnis have different set of hadiths.
Let me also quote to you the testimonies of several academic scholars and scholars of textual criticism upon whom I have based my opinions:
“…the standard Egyptian edition of the Qur’an, first published on July 10, 1924…in Cairo [is] now widely seen as the official text of the Qur’an.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
“In the early twentieth century…the shape of the Qur’an would have seemed anything but clear. In fact, the Egyptian government was motivated to begin the project that would lead to the Cairo Qur’an edition due to the variations (or “errors,” as an appendix to the Cairo edition describes them) found in the Qur’anic texts that they had been importing for state schools.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
However, the Cairo [standardized] text is often at odds with manuscript evidence.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
The common belief that the Qur’an has a single, unambiguous reading is due in part to the bravado of translators, who rarely express doubt about their choices.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
“In response [to the variant Quranic texts], the [Egyptian] government destroyed a large number of such [variant] texts by sinking them in the Nile River and issued its own text.” -**Gabriel Said Reynolds**
**Fred donner**
Qur'anic studies, as a field of academic research, appears today to be in a state of disarray. Those of us who study Islam's origins have to admit collectively that we simply do not know some very basic things about the Qur'an - things so basic that the knowledge of them is usually taken for granted by scholars dealing with other texts. They include such questions as: How did the Qur'an originate? Where did it come from, and when did it first appear? How was it first written? In what kind of language was - is - it written? What form did it first take? Who constituted its first audience? How was it transmitted from one generation to another, especially in its early years? When, how, and by whom was it codified? Those familiar with the Qur'an and the scholarship on it will know that to ask even one of these questions immediately plunges us into realms of grave uncertainty and has the potential to spark intense debate. To put it another way, on these basic issues there is little consensus even among the well-trained scholars who work on them.*
Islamic tradition argues that the Qur’an’s transmission was firmly controlled by the practice of oral recitation; the revelations received by Muhammad were learned from him as recitations by his followers, and were sometime later written down to form the Qur’an text we have today… Doubts have been shed, however, on this traditional view…Moreover, there is mounting evidence that the Qur’an text, or parts of it at least, must at some stage in its history have been transmitted in purely written form, without the benefit of a controlling tradition of active recitation.” -****Fred M. Donner, THE QUR’AN IN RECENT SCHOLARSHIP, p. 40.***
**James Bellamy states:**
“They [variant readings] are important to us here because they prove that there was no oral tradition stemming directly from the prophet strong enough to overcome all the uncertainties inherent in the writing system.” -James A. Bellamy, “Some Proposed Emendations to the Text of the Koran,” Journal of the American Oriental Society, 113(4), 563.*
**Devin Stewart** notes this as well:
“The tradition of Qur’anic recitation can be shown to ignore or run roughshod over many discernible or retrievable features of the text, particularly with regard to rhyme, that must represent the oldest stage of its performance. In addition, while many of the variants recognized as legitimate within Islamic tradition may plausibly have arisen through oral transmission, many others cannot, being based on graphic and not phonic, resemblance.”*
**Devin J. Stewart**, Notes on medieval and modern emendations of the Qur’an. In Gabriel Said Reynolds, The Qur’an in Its Historical Context. London, Routledge: 2007, 229.*
**CONCLUSION:**
We can clearly see from the testimony of academic scholars that the perfect preservation and transmission of the quran from muhamad is nothing but a myth and fantasy based on religious and emotional claims.
@@jxcess3891
This has been refuted... and is no more scholarship consensus....
The consensus with the recent discoveries is that the othmanic compilation for sure existed and was preseved....and the standard quran is from the othmanic pattern as every single word of it can be traced back to the most anciant manuscripts....
@@Logia1978
According to whom??? There is no evidence of an uthmanic ko-ooran
@@jxcess3891
According to scholars like Marijn van Putten or Eleonore Cellard, Angelica Neuwrith or François Déroche....
Dr Van Putten's conclusions:
This paper has shown that idiosyncratic spellings of certain words are not due to the whims of the scribe, but are reproduced with the same spelling in all early Quranic manuscripts. The only way that such a consistent reproduction can be explained is by assuming that all the documents that belong to the Uthmanic text type go back to a single written archetype whose spelling was strictly copied from one copy to the next, showing that these copies were based on a written exemplar.
The manuscripts examined in this study are sufficiently early that a codification of the Uthmanic text type is perfectly consistent with an attribution to its traditional source: ʿUthmān b. ʿAffān.
The whole research is so powerful that will shut many hater's mouth can be found here:
www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bulletin-of-the-school-of-oriental-and-african-studies/article/grace-of-god-as-evidence-for-a-written-uthmanic-archetype-the-importance-of-shared-orthographic-idiosyncrasies/23C45AC7BC649A5228E0DA6F6BA15C06
So when can we hear you having debate with Prof. Bart Ehrman on Christianity?
@XCS8000
it doesn't matter whether he is an apologist or not. Someone has bashed your religion to a pulp and yet nothing is done to bring back its glory (if Christianity has one).
Yet wanting to discredit Islam here. This is shameful
Did you really choose a random page? I checked 20 pages after the page you showed, and there were only 8 of what you called "Corrections", and the first 13 pages before the page you showed have only one 1 "Correction", and can we find the same corrections in any other manuscript?
I checked : 1nd centry -> Arabe 328(a), Arabe 330(g), Arabe 331, Arabe 332, and Arabe 339.
And many 2nd century manuscripts, and I did not find these "corrections" at all.
so it seems to me that the "corrections" you showed are just copyist mistakes
( and arabic speakers do not need to examine manuscripts to realize this. )
BROTHER DAN MAY THE LORD JESUS THE CHRIST BLESS YOU WORK , BLESS EACH DAY OF YOU LIFE, AND BLESS ALL YOU FAMILY AS WELL. AMEN.
It’s laughable for someone that doesn’t know Arabic, doesn’t speak Arabic and he is here criticizing the language of the Quran and trying to find mistakes. Only people that are like you would just agree with you.
Me, myself as muslim. When looking a teacher to teach Quran. the qualification should be
1. Able to speak, write (knows grammar) arabic
2. Have memorise at least half of Quran
3. Memorise some of the hadith expecially regarding revelation and compilation of Quran
If they dont qualified of that condition, for me it's just the same like me, they are only student and cannot rely on them because they are not capable enough. No matter what their title is (Doctor/professor or elses)
@@BO0O0M650
First of All are you muslim?
@@BO0O0M650
You know tajwid, Quran based on oral tradition before it's been compiled?
Edit :
I'm witnessing myself in Makkah and Madinah, an arab still have to learn reciting Quran in front of Syaikh
There’s no sense in ur argument. You better tell the over 80% Muslims who don’t speak Arabic n cannot read the Quran in Arabic to go n learn Arabic before they can become Muslims. You hate to see holes in the narrative
@@jesusislord9999
Another non speaking arabic trying to be an expert. Well done for you
@@firmanhidayat8624 you don’t have to be a Muslim to express ur views. Your allah is limited bcos he understands only Arabic
The holy Qur'an revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) over 1,400 years ago. The Quran has been preserved without any changes in its wording since the time of revelation. This belief is central to Islamic theology and is based on the understanding that the Quran is the final and complete revelation from God.
Dear Mr Daniel Brubaker, I doubt u'r an expert if u'r just here to teach us the basic Arabic. N still u got it wrong.
N if u find it hard to read the Classical Qur'anic writings, just read the modern writings that we're using now. If u don't have it I can post it to u.
@XCS8000 I rather call him Mr than Dr. He don't know the basic Arabic language n try to fool the non-Arabic speakers. But we're living in the millennium age. Arabic speakers n non-Arabic who learnt Arabic can watch this video too n realize the mistakes. U've been fooled by him.
@@zaiemibrahim3025 👍👍👍
We should not remain silent. Such person with no integrity couldn't even handle the errors found in the Bible.
He forgot that Jesus had admonshed :-
Matthew 7
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
@XCS8000
Muslims look errors in your Bible (the inspired words of God) while Christians can only afford to look for erros in the Hadiths (collection of hearsays).
See the difference .. 🤣
@XCS8000
LOL .. actually your Bible is from hearsays!
Having read the Quran, I concluded it was only a collections of stories, legends, and a few old Arab tales. It has no logic, no order, and no clear message. It is a man made work, certainly not divine. It is impossible to place the Quran events in chronological order without using outside sources.
Tell that to the Arabs at the time of Prophet Muhammad who could only explain this as magic because of how miraculous the Qur'an was, also you say no clear message but this is completely false, the Qur'an legit says time and time again that there is only one true God and that we should worship Him
@@abdullaalansari8061 I seriously doubt you can find ANY historical or archaeological evidence for the existence of a 7th Century Arab hero named "Muhammad." The earliest usage of the word seems to indicate a title NOT a name. See what you can find out about Iyas Ibn Qabisa al Tayaye. The book still remains only a collection of stories, legends, and a few old Arab tales, many repeated over and over and over and over and over redundantly.
@@abdullaalansari8061 you believe a false book. Muslims have been brainwashed. Even in clear proof they still think it's the word of God.
@@tonyusman6167 okay buddy
@mrs. Greta Carbone???
Some of these seem not relevant, e.g. so a scribe can make an error and correct it, big deal. Other cases where you say it's different to qurans today then that seems relevant.
Good bless you.
I thought Duke University had that moniker of the Harvard pf the South...
What a useless video and thesis
Man if you don't know Arabic language properly then why are doing analysis
Regarding eraser theory you propose, I would say it has no basis just assumptions.
In a similar manner I can also that scribe while writing saw that it has written alif of alquraan then he erased and wrote quriya , same you can say for Kaannama instead of innama in chapter 8 verse
3rd example of Yaqool there could be another view like the scribe wanted to differentiate laam of yaqool from the laam of la just below it...
The reasons he told don't look logical and more importantly not supported by any evidence...
This Dr basically brings his own subjective theories without any critical/scholarly conclusion on a sensitive discourse, and people in comment section looking for validation of their own weak/broken beliefs jumping on board. Ignorance is bliss
true!
Exactly lol wow
Who is more ignorant than Muslims? U saw words erased n insertions made n you are still in denial n talking about critical/scholarly conclusion? What is ur qualification? Even ur own Yasir Qadhi has thrown ur Quran into the trash.
@@jesusislord9999 you are more ignorant, lol
@@jesusislord9999 this is the Premise : if one manuscript contain humanly scribe error it doesn't mean anything UNTIL you compare it with several other manuscripts to see if there is uniformity.
Cheese has holes same as mo, same with scribal allahs
Where r the holes?
I mean Creutzfeldt-Jakob homine variant. Sorry, shalom to you
@@yvonnegonzales2973 I think u r the 1 who have so many holes in ur head. U need to do check up.
I already checked up by a psychiatrist, only problem is electric flow & not holes
I'm talking only at the great Marxist leader, the Constantine of Mecca
CJ spongy form are very rampant within Qur'an & sunnah, for ex: a uztaz tell to sheikh about 7 guys in the cave is a Christian origin, anger Sheikh at him or both of them said that the aqida of Allah is no body & no spirit, debating other slamic scholars & slims
A lot of holes in slamic morality code (no 10 commandments within), for ex: dawah guy to the Christians almost punch his wife or police slim connection talking to a schizophrenia slim about harsh slamic law to yazidis (jizaya to covert to exile to death)
There are many more stories from the neighborhood, you want complete w/o holes, that is Jesus Christ only, i love you brother & shalom to you❤️✌️🥰
@@yvonnegonzales2973 Nope. The 7 guys in the cave were not Christians, they were Muslims. So u r wrong!
Ok which of the 10 Commandments that Muslims break? N which of that Commandments the Christians break? We can both count which of the 2 break more Commandments than the other.
So u don't believe in Islam but u believe in a god that died on the cross killed by his own creation? What kind of powerless god is that?
Even if ALL Qur'an vulgates happen to be shredded right now ,
the Qur'an won't disappear.
Why?
'cause hundreds of thousands of Muslims have learnt the Qur'an by heart.
So, don't deal with the authenticity of the Qur'an based on your Dead Sea scrolls mentality.
In fact, *the verbal recitation certifies the print-outs of the Qur'an* and not vice versa. Re-read this sentence.
Call me a bluf old traditionalist but where exactly does stains and wear and tear and damage come into your analysis of this type of parchment???? My child at home sometimes spills food and drink on my work and it smudges the ink, or it gets wet from the elements or in transportion and it gets worn. I have a colection of old documents from when I was a kid- there are smudges all over it. It seems perculiar that you make no provision for degregation of a manuscript through wear, tear and age??? Really weird. Its not like the changes in the NT texts that manifestly change the meaning of a verse. SO weird. Also you appear to quite literally making up what the manuscript originally may have read??? Again that strikes me as extremely sloppy scholarship. Where is your evidence. Some of these marks look like stains or scuffs, all which could occur through innocent means.
First read the grammatical properly than talk about, don't anything about a-z of arabic accusing nonsense.. can even say the word properly how to pronounce a single word. Telling this is a problem. You gave you phd
For original lovers,Originality words of Almighty creator is mandatory matter...on day of judgement as solid evidence and witness,
All I saw were some errors (that were clearly errors and not distortions) that were corrected. Strange what hate can do to people
Dr. Daniel brubaker does not know arabic grammar 😂 silly guy.. he needs to learn arabic before analyzing the manuscript, all your so called analysis has been proven as false and misleading.
Im so sick of you people that act like your a scholar in Arabic! You dont even know basic grammar! For gods sake remove this video if you are sincere in your work otherwise you are evil to humanity.
Just a very basic observation that I am sure Danial is fully aware of but is still worth mentioning. The sura transition has upright letters sloping to the left whilst in the main text they slope to the right. I would accordingly suggest the smaller red transition text was put in later by a different hand.
Yes, it is a different nib and hand. We can talk more about such features in more detail later. Good question. DB
i'm sure if you take A1 Arabic class the first thing u will do is remove this video
Great Video!
Awesome.
please a video hijazi scrip, origen, importance
This channel are suppose to be a variant bible, nobody can deny it even christianity. hipocrete channel represent hipocrete christianity😂. Funny
His priority should be SAVE THE BIBLE .
Heed Jesus' advice:-
Matthew 7
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
@@letmetalk2240 i am not learn and study religion from hipocrete😉. Jesus? Hahahaha we are muslim, jesus is our prophet also, ameen for that.😆
@@pahlawanpahlawan7682
Jesus as a prophet makes more sense.
@@letmetalk2240 yup, because he is human being, not God.
Bible say in bible book of number 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
I can read Arabic and the letters that are not clear but still I can figure out which letter it is are the same letters in the newest Quran as well.
YQ needs to counter this with his proof that not one word ..vowel or whatever was not changed and it is preserved by Allah without changes
Another Orientalist missing the point : the Quran is passed on by memorization
@mrs. Greta Carbone No, there are thousands of companions that memorized it and recited it daily and in full in Ramadan ... you just simply won’t accept that the oral traditions of the Arabs and miraculous language of the Quran allows people, to memorize it in full and without missing a letter
@mrs. Greta Carbone btw what you said was done to the Bible both old and new testaments as Bible scholars have come to conclude ... which verifies exactly the claim of the Quran on these books ( was the only book that made that claim and it’s now discovered as true)
Dear Nawaf, thank you for the comments. I understand that popular the assertion is the Quran was perfectly transmitted orally as a memorized text from the very beginning. Of course, it sounds nice, but none of us can time travel back to the 7th century to confirm this. The only tangible evidence we have is the physical objects that have survived from that time, and among these are the manuscripts. A scientist does not take a point of dogma as a starting assumption - a scientist asks questions. I do not have any personal objection to the idea of the Quran having been transmitted orally in its earliest years, but I think it is reasonable to see if the physical evidence supports this assertion. There are two parts to the popular assertion: 1) It was transmitted orally and 2) Its oral transmission was perfectly uniform (this idea finds common expression in the term "preserved.") I think that the first point is reasonable as a general conclusion and the manuscripts bear marks of both orality and textual transmission. With respect to the second claim, it is not unreasonable to put it forward as a hypothesis, but one must ask the question: If the Quran was perfectly memorized without disagreement (and again, I have no objection to the possibility that it was), then why would a Quran manuscript (which is the only tangible evidence we have of what the text looked like at the time) leave out words that are in the standard text ... and even the manuscript was corrected in other spots on the same page, but it still left out three words? I am not trying to be provocative; this is a serious question. ua-cam.com/video/IMa5tqfdNzw/v-deo.html
@mrs. Greta Carbone you are no match ... put more energy in finding who wrote the gospels for you 🙃
@@variantquran4505 of course you can verify -
1- tradition that stated with the prophet and kept to this day - memorization to perform prayers including the Tahjud prayers in which the Quran is recited fully - e.g Ramadan
2- in Islam things such as prayers, fasting times, ablutions, compulsory charity quantities, even the number of optional prayers are done in accordance with how the prophet pbuh has done it
3- extremely well documented by live on-going practice & by verified narrations - knowing each person in the line of narration - not even historical events are documented in this detailed fashion
4- unlink many scriptural languages, Arabic is a live language and millions of Muslim imams memorized the Quran - a masjid Imam is someone that memorized the Quran - hence he leads the prayer
5- the Quran is in One book and revealed with externally high level of poetic style - hence it is very easy to memorize if one is to put the effort
And if you are still in doubt I recommend you to attend an tahjud prayer in full in Radman where it is done in congregation - to see how others correct the imam if he happens to make a slight mistake in the recitation
u have mentioned 77 verses .what does it mean
awesome, Dr. Brubaker..... thank you
Lol why a joke this channel is lol
How do we know that these manuscripts are not just copyist errors because how could the Quran be changed if it was memorized? What is the solid proof that the Quran was changed?
They can only afford to speculate .
Very unfortunate for the Xtians that Yahweh made us see all the major changes made to the Bible today ... and preserved all the different Bibles. Thus making the job for the Muslims to prove Bible is corrupted easy.
Thank you very much Dr. for sharing with us your knowledge
Here is the respond ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
AlEhEmEdOulILaH
I don't mind you criticizing islam but what I do mind is the false pagan trinity and I don't think you have to be a Muslim to believe that why be a unitarian christian (biblical) and still think islam is false
Thank you Sir Brubaker for your work. God bless you
When it comes to credibility I would certainly not refer to YQ, I'd refer to you.
To an average layman, Dr Brubaker's work is amazing and credible. To a muslim scholar, his work is incompetence, careless and dishonest; simply because his arabic language competency is at a too basic level. ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
@@sethsuleiman4419
He failed on a basic elementary Arabic grammar!
It's just a joke, and I hope he learn from it and don't make the same mistake twice.
stop it you scholar
your argument is already been answered. ua-cam.com/video/MHm1LBBbhHg/v-deo.html
clearly, you're not an expert in this. do you speak, read, study the Arabic language?
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@@variantquran4505 LOL. where do you speak Arabic. your translation also very terrible. how come you had PhD??