Sub70 699 clubs are amazing. In fact if you're anywhere beetween a 9-23 handicap, I'd suggest you try the 699 Pro! They're easy to launch, and give masses of feedback too. And they look lovely at address. I'm a convert for sure.
I’m looking to replace my irons. Tossing up between a few options, TM Sim2 are dirt cheap right now but loved my old Wilson’s I had a few years ago. I’m considering the Stealths, have a fit out booked for next weekend. See how that goes!
Its an interesting review. I think fitting is key and an open mind. To an extent anyway. I got fitted this year and went in expecting to go srixon. Thought it would be zx5 for 4,5,6 and zx7 for the rest. Ended up with zx7 4-8 and the z-forged 9 and w. I actually think the shaft was the key in the whole process. Lighter and stiffer than dynamin gold r300's and a little longer has regained me 8-10 yds. Fitting overall has so improved my ball stricking and accuracy.
I am going to pick the Wilson Staff D 9 forged as the # one pick now...PS. Dan you need to also post your club head speed so us average golfers can compare it to what we produce...
Oooh guessing time. So bearing in mind price is a factor, I would say Wilson irons. I think you would have the D9 model but the forged CB would also work. Please send my prize c/o Lester “Bernie” Barnes first class post please Dan/Jordan 😂🎉
So many choices & I have been fortunate enough to have a combo set of T150/T200 - my concern is that for a lot of people, the price point of most of these clubs will be out of reach for a vast majority of people, although the Sub 70 looks a bargain compared to the others!
Just picked up a set of t200s. Did what you said picked 3, t200, ZX5, and a 790. Had great results with all but slightly better dispersion with the t200. Also love the look and feel of them!
Zx7’s for me are awesome - nearly got them last month in a combo with Zx5’s - they looked better than the 5s in short irons but 5-8 yards vs 300 revs I just couldn’t give up so got zx5 through the bag - I’m a 12hcp never been lower I have 98 club 130 ball 5200 spin 195carry with a six iron - so the xtra forgiveness hitting all over the face with my speed. Ertainly helps
I went from playing weekly to playing monthly so I went for the p790’s I play off 6 . I’m about to start playing weekly again and I’ve found myself thinking of going back to a players iron but not sure if I want to change my set up
T200 l use them and recommend them to my friends. As an older player it gives me just a bit of help but as a reasonable player it still looks and feels like my blades of yesterday year.
I love my Cleveland XL Launchers as they are good for most players, beautiful to look at and easy to play. A very underrated company who make fantastic clubs at a reasonable prices.
I'm hoping that the top set is the Sub70 Gen 2 699 Pros. I am currently on 15.5 and play the original 699s; they're powerful and forgiving without being crazy long. On top of liking the clubs, I really like the company. EDIT: The description says 699 Pro, but you showed the 699, which has a little more offset and slightly larger head... the Pro version is more of a players' distance iron.
Yes, this was a bit confusing. The static picture showed the "regular" 699. However, if you look closely at the video (around 8:38), you can see the "Pro" marking on the club he is holding (and subsequently hit). I believe the data shown is for the Pro version.
Nice round-up, Dan! Wow. The numbers on the Apex are really good. The spin consistency is insane! I mean, a lot of that is the guy swinging the club :) but still...less than 300 rpm difference from lowest to highest - that's good. Very steady in carry and ball speed, too. I like a little stronger 7-iron - closer to 31º - so I wonder if they're easy to bend.
Never understood the emphasis on the look of the club. My confidence comes from the performance of the club and how it feels, not what I see looking down.
I suppose we are all different on that, it’s like choosing a car. Are you someone that looks a the practical A to B or do you start with how it looks 😎
I think the Srixon ZX5s will be #1 All very nice options. I just bought PXG 0211 XCore 2 irons last yr and very happy, so not in the market. They are stronger lofted but still hold greens. Thanks for this video, Dan!
@@rickysugiarto9181 I luv my xcor2 irons. I ordered them from PXG with graphite shafts. For me, a 60 yr old, 12 handicap, they have the distance with feel and consistent performance on less than perfect strikes. The ZX5's would be fine as well but don't know what current prices are.
Is there much of a difference between LTDX, Aerojet or Darkspeed irons. Would I get enough height with these irons because of the stronger lofts? Thanks
All these game improvement irons are designed to be high launch low spin for distance. You'll be using a steeper descent angle for control rather than higher spin which is what you would see in your traditional blade type irons. I would say that with each iteration of irons, the forgiveness increases across the face but saving a few quid and going down the route of ltdx or Aerojet is still definitely worth it.
I’m intrigued you missed the Mizuno pro 225? It’s the most common head to head comparison tested against the P790 and usually wins. Did you consider it? If not, why? Great video as always!
I play with the mizuno JPX 921 and was told I wouldn't be able to hold the greens. Well, yes and no. I hold the greens very easily with every club...except the 4iron, which is really a 3 iron. That club is 50/50 on holding the greens
Golf is pricing itself out of the market. Luckily, there are the Sub 70 and the Kirkland Irons, if they ever keep them in stock, for those of us who want to play but don't have the deep pockets to afford a set clubs for $1200-$1500.
Hi, I really enjoyed the review but I know that the shafts can be a significant factor especially for the group this video is aimed at . . . alot of info about the look of the heads and the flight statistics but with all the shaft options out there I guess you still have to be fitted right?
Play off 10 but I just don’t hit an iron well. Just swapped out my P790’s to Ping G425’s. Probably more aimed at mid to higher handicaps, but I’m all for all the help I can get these days.
Thanks for the video Dan, with respect, I don't think the clubs you have chosen are 'mid-handicapper' clubs. Rather they are more suited to single figure golfers, especially those who are decent ball strikers. In my world golfers are looking for distance, control, aesthetics and price. No golfer I play with would want to lose distance buying a new set of clubs. I play with JPX919s lovely clubs, but my next set will be more distance focused...Amen.
I played the 230’s last year and the new Titleist 150 and 200 combo set blows them away. It’s surprising because the Titleist heads are more compact, but forgiveness level isn’t there with the 230’s since you’re specifically talking about mid handicaps.
At 12.06 I can only say there are a lot of clubs to choose from, but given the range you have selected I am going for...Callaway Paradym. Ok they are so-called game improvement irons but so are most of the clubs you have selected.
I have the Apex Pro 21's and boy am I a bit too inconsistent with them. Don't feel I'm at the level I need to be to play them. I debating on buying some p790's to replace them. Any thoughts?
I had the luxury of having 5 irons available to choose from and it was a lengthy process between the final 2. T200 & Apex Pro. I went in open minded and price was not an issue as my last clubs were 20 odd years old (Callaway X14s) and still going strong but felt I had outgrown them and playing a lot more golf again. Well, for me it came down to feel and top edge of the club and Calloway Apex Pro now in the bag. I must say the fitting and shaft weight etc was an eye opener and seeing the different results has madev getting a new set an easy enjoyable experience. All of the clubs I tried were good and don’t know how we got fitted in the old days!
Had the i230s which I really liked. Issue for me was my lower swing speed so wasn't getting the distance I need for the courses I play. Tested a few of the others and went with the T200. Liked the feel and it was easier to hit. More shiny than I like but guess I'll get used to that. One thing worth noting on the T200 is the loft changes as you go up in club which will affect your gapping (to wedges) if you come from more traditional irons like my old i230 clubs.
Can’t seem to give up my MP-4s, been looking for something to slot in at the 4 & 5 iron spots, maybe ZX-7 but the new Pro 243s look like they could be a good blend.
I've tested a lot of TM and Callaway and never got along with them. The Callaway clubs seem to look better, so I need to go test them. I'm currently playing Titleist T100S. The Srixons look like they deserve a try too.
Have you tested the Cobra King Tour irons? What are you thoughts on those. I have a mate that games them, and they look fantastic. Thinking of getting a set.
I have tested 3 different irons over the last month before I lay down $1800 ( CAD) . The Apex 21, the P790 and the T200. All three feel great and look fantastic , The only issue I had with one of these clubs is the spin rate, The T200 7 iron for some reason would come out like a knuckleball with very low spin even though all my other numbers ( with my swing) were normal, The one I got along with the best was the P790 even though as a long time Callaway user it pains me to say but for me it outperformed the Apex 21's slightly. Maybe this will be a TM Christmas this year. Another solid video by DHG, Good job all.
I've done a lot of testing on sim's / launch monitors as well for various irons and I have to say for myself, my sweet spot seems to be 34° (7 iron) with DG S300 shafts, they keep me in the 6800~7200rpm spin range and 19°~21° launch window. Currently bagging Wilson Staff Model CB/Blades combo, but backup irons are Srixon ZX7 MKII with lighter weight shafts.. stronger lofts of the ZX7's with lighter weight shafts just about equal out to the DG S300 130g shaft setup in the Wilsons. I've tried all on your list, except the APEX Pro's.
Hey Dan, awesome video. I might be a little biased being a Ping player, currently playing the i210 irons 3-U. Also disadvantaged being a Left Handed golfer, Ping is great, giving everything in their range in both hands. I have hit the i230, minimal difference between the 2 generations of clubs.
Callaway apex pro 24 avec le bon shaft est simplement fantastique, facile à jouer, performant, et tolérant que demande de plus. Par contre il faut vraiment bien choisir son shaft, le modèle proposé par callaway de série n'était pas le bon pour moi trop difficile à jouer , j'ai monté le neo pro 950 le résultat est fantastique
I’m looking to buy a new set of irons and your heading caught my eye. I recently went for a custom fitting and made it clear that I did not have any preconceived ideas regarding brand or shaft stiffness. Of the irons I tried the trackman data showed I did best with the Callaway Apex Pro and Mizuno Pro 225. Based on the data I was told the Mizuno suited me better because it was higher spinning with a tighter dispersion although I was 4 yards longer with the Callaway.
Wilson d9 forged, outrageous performance superb feel and you don't have to be a dentist to afford them.
Definitely the smart choice
@mattraikes143 I completely agree, I really like my D9 forged irons. Although I do wish I bought the Wilson CBs.
I'll second that the Wilson d9 forged are so good the feel off the face is amazing and they look superb in the bag
Totally agree !!! The D9's are amazing !!! So underrated 🔥🏌️
Okay but 700$ is still pretty expensive
Sub70 699 clubs are amazing. In fact if you're anywhere beetween a 9-23 handicap, I'd suggest you try the 699 Pro! They're easy to launch, and give masses of feedback too. And they look lovely at address. I'm a convert for sure.
p790 in the bag currently, tested nearly every player's distance iron and they beat everything I tested
I’m looking to replace my irons. Tossing up between a few options, TM Sim2 are dirt cheap right now but loved my old Wilson’s I had a few years ago. I’m considering the Stealths, have a fit out booked for next weekend. See how that goes!
Your swing speed is way too faster which is not compatible with a mid-handicap golfer.
I fit plenty of mid handicap players with 90mph 7 iron speeds.
Currently playing the Mizuno JPX 923 Hot Metal High Launch. Fitted for me as I have a slower swing speed ( 75-80 ) 👍🏻🇦🇺
What no cobra forged tech itons? 😮
Its an interesting review. I think fitting is key and an open mind. To an extent anyway. I got fitted this year and went in expecting to go srixon. Thought it would be zx5 for 4,5,6 and zx7 for the rest. Ended up with zx7 4-8 and the z-forged 9 and w. I actually think the shaft was the key in the whole process. Lighter and stiffer than dynamin gold r300's and a little longer has regained me 8-10 yds. Fitting overall has so improved my ball stricking and accuracy.
I am going to pick the Wilson Staff D 9 forged as the # one pick now...PS. Dan you need to also post your club head speed so us average golfers can compare it to what we produce...
I bought the jpx 923 and they are lovely. Found them better than the Titleist,srixon and Callaway in the same bracket.
P790’s for me I have tried most brands, but these are doing it for me at the moment.
None all good clubs in the right hands but too expensive for me I stick with my taylormade m4 irons
I've Paused and I think Callaway Apex irons
Mizuno JPX best clubs I’ve ever had. Play off 5. I love them
Oooh guessing time. So bearing in mind price is a factor, I would say Wilson irons. I think you would have the D9 model but the forged CB would also work. Please send my prize c/o Lester “Bernie” Barnes first class post please Dan/Jordan 😂🎉
So many choices & I have been fortunate enough to have a combo set of T150/T200 - my concern is that for a lot of people, the price point of most of these clubs will be out of reach for a vast majority of people, although the Sub 70 looks a bargain compared to the others!
Just picked up a set of t200s. Did what you said picked 3, t200, ZX5, and a 790. Had great results with all but slightly better dispersion with the t200. Also love the look and feel of them!
Sub 70 is the my winner.
Not sure any of the clubs shown are better than my i210s - but I do like the looks of the Apex Pros
Hi Dan you should have had the Ping I230 in power speck 31.5 degrees of loft matching the lofts of the other clubs 👍🏴
Zx7’s for me are awesome - nearly got them last month in a combo with Zx5’s - they looked better than the 5s in short irons but 5-8 yards vs 300 revs I just couldn’t give up so got zx5 through the bag - I’m a 12hcp never been lower I have 98 club 130 ball 5200 spin 195carry with a six iron - so the xtra forgiveness hitting all over the face with my speed. Ertainly helps
I went from playing weekly to playing monthly so I went for the p790’s I play off 6 . I’m about to start playing weekly again and I’ve found myself thinking of going back to a players iron but not sure if I want to change my set up
T200 l use them and recommend them to my friends. As an older player it gives me just a bit of help but as a reasonable player it still looks and feels like my blades of yesterday year.
My bet - Sub 70 - Can't beat the value
Plus - If you're near Chicago or DEKalb IL you can schedule a fitting with them at no charge. I bought these and really like them.
i would have liked to have seen the Takomo 201 irons up against these 'big brand' irons
I agree more than half the cost and a true forged head
I love my Cleveland XL Launchers as they are good for most players, beautiful to look at and easy to play. A very underrated company who make fantastic clubs at a reasonable prices.
P790 tailor made
I'm hoping that the top set is the Sub70 Gen 2 699 Pros. I am currently on 15.5 and play the original 699s; they're powerful and forgiving without being crazy long. On top of liking the clubs, I really like the company.
EDIT: The description says 699 Pro, but you showed the 699, which has a little more offset and slightly larger head... the Pro version is more of a players' distance iron.
Yes, this was a bit confusing. The static picture showed the "regular" 699. However, if you look closely at the video (around 8:38), you can see the "Pro" marking on the club he is holding (and subsequently hit). I believe the data shown is for the Pro version.
Nice round-up, Dan!
Wow. The numbers on the Apex are really good. The spin consistency is insane! I mean, a lot of that is the guy swinging the club :) but still...less than 300 rpm difference from lowest to highest - that's good. Very steady in carry and ball speed, too. I like a little stronger 7-iron - closer to 31º - so I wonder if they're easy to bend.
Never understood the emphasis on the look of the club. My confidence comes from the performance of the club and how it feels, not what I see looking down.
I suppose we are all different on that, it’s like choosing a car. Are you someone that looks a the practical A to B or do you start with how it looks 😎
I think the Srixon ZX5s will be #1 All very nice options. I just bought PXG 0211 XCore 2 irons last yr and very happy, so not in the market. They are stronger lofted but still hold greens. Thanks for this video, Dan!
I was wondering should I get the xcor2 or zx5 as I’m handicap 20 now
@@rickysugiarto9181 I luv my xcor2 irons. I ordered them from PXG with graphite shafts. For me, a 60 yr old, 12 handicap, they have the distance with feel and consistent performance on less than perfect strikes. The ZX5's would be fine as well but don't know what current prices are.
Is there much of a difference between LTDX, Aerojet or Darkspeed irons. Would I get enough height with these irons because of the stronger lofts? Thanks
All these game improvement irons are designed to be high launch low spin for distance. You'll be using a steeper descent angle for control rather than higher spin which is what you would see in your traditional blade type irons. I would say that with each iteration of irons, the forgiveness increases across the face but saving a few quid and going down the route of ltdx or Aerojet is still definitely worth it.
Great video Dan. Seems all these irons are solid. Hard to beat the feel of the mizuno!
Insightful video thanks Dan - would love to have seen where the cobra king tours or PXG irons would sit within those club’s selected.
Never got sent their kit to review, but will push for next year 👍
I’m intrigued you missed the Mizuno pro 225? It’s the most common head to head comparison tested against the P790 and usually wins. Did you consider it? If not, why? Great video as always!
I honestly don’t think I have it in the office, I think they are also bringing out a new run in Jan 👍
No Left hand in 225. Shouldn’t be in any comparison when they exclude 25% of all players
Looking at PXG 0311 P-XP - P790 -T200 handicap increase from 15 to 18 swing speed lagging somewhat
Titleist T200 irons I have a set and there fantastic
I530
I play with the mizuno JPX 921 and was told I wouldn't be able to hold the greens. Well, yes and no. I hold the greens very easily with every club...except the 4iron, which is really a 3 iron. That club is 50/50 on holding the greens
Golf is pricing itself out of the market. Luckily, there are the Sub 70 and the Kirkland Irons, if they ever keep them in stock, for those of us who want to play but don't have the deep pockets to afford a set clubs for $1200-$1500.
I would think the i525 to be Ping’s better option for mid-cap players.
Hi, I really enjoyed the review but I know that the shafts can be a significant factor especially for the group this video is aimed at . . . alot of info about the look of the heads and the flight statistics but with all the shaft options out there I guess you still have to be fitted right?
No blades in the mix for the mid handicappers that don't play at 7000yd courses from the fairway?
🤔
Ping i230
Titleist t200 but I’m not sure haven’t any yet coming from a game improvement club
I am using the T400 and love the irons and forgiveness and distance. Anyone tried the T400
Play off 10 but I just don’t hit an iron well. Just swapped out my P790’s to Ping G425’s. Probably more aimed at mid to higher handicaps, but I’m all for all the help I can get these days.
Thanks for the video Dan, with respect, I don't think the clubs you have chosen are 'mid-handicapper' clubs. Rather they are more suited to single figure golfers, especially those who are decent ball strikers. In my world golfers are looking for distance, control, aesthetics and price. No golfer I play with would want to lose distance buying a new set of clubs. I play with JPX919s lovely clubs, but my next set will be more distance focused...Amen.
I’m a 12 handicap and 45 years old. I game the mizuno jpx 921. The stringer lofts help me as a old man
wouldn't a Titleist T150 be a fairer comparison with the Apex Pro?
I played the 230’s last year and the new Titleist 150 and 200 combo set blows them away. It’s surprising because the Titleist heads are more compact, but forgiveness level isn’t there with the 230’s since you’re specifically talking about mid handicaps.
At 12.06 I can only say there are a lot of clubs to choose from, but given the range you have selected I am going for...Callaway Paradym. Ok they are so-called game improvement irons but so are most of the clubs you have selected.
What the heck Sub70, did you mean for the iron to look like a Slazenger Crown from 1993?
Ping G430 irons,,,I love them,,senior shafts,,power loft
I have the Apex Pro 21's and boy am I a bit too inconsistent with them. Don't feel I'm at the level I need to be to play them. I debating on buying some p790's to replace them. Any thoughts?
Wilson Dynapower Forged needs to be in the top 3. Seriously.
I had the luxury of having 5 irons available to choose from and it was a lengthy process between the final 2. T200 & Apex Pro.
I went in open minded and price was not an issue as my last clubs were 20 odd years old (Callaway X14s) and still going strong but felt I had outgrown them and playing a lot more golf again.
Well, for me it came down to feel and top edge of the club and Calloway Apex Pro now in the bag.
I must say the fitting and shaft weight etc was an eye opener and seeing the different results has madev getting a new set an easy enjoyable experience.
All of the clubs I tried were good and don’t know how we got fitted in the old days!
Callaway ST Rogues are working well for me as a former low handicap golfer who is now collecting my pension, but still off single digit hcap (just).
The Pings and the Apex Pros… I think those are more of a players iron. Would have liked to have seen the PXG Gen 6 P in there to compare.
Srixon Zx5 MkII. I have the Zx7 Mk1 (on sale), handicap 16 and I love it. The Zx5 MkII being more forgiving would be even better.
I hit the mizunos. But want to try the pings now. Was a beautiful iron.
Great video! But why not wilson forged/CB?
I stuck between zx5 or T200 at loft of 31.5? What do you think?
Had the i230s which I really liked. Issue for me was my lower swing speed so wasn't getting the distance I need for the courses I play. Tested a few of the others and went with the T200. Liked the feel and it was easier to hit. More shiny than I like but guess I'll get used to that. One thing worth noting on the T200 is the loft changes as you go up in club which will affect your gapping (to wedges) if you come from more traditional irons like my old i230 clubs.
Can’t seem to give up my MP-4s, been looking for something to slot in at the 4 & 5 iron spots, maybe ZX-7 but the new Pro 243s look like they could be a good blend.
I've tested a lot of TM and Callaway and never got along with them. The Callaway clubs seem to look better, so I need to go test them. I'm currently playing Titleist T100S. The Srixons look like they deserve a try too.
Consider everything , try everything the best way to go a lot of people get a shock
No cobras ?
Ok don’t post my prize just yet, I will win one of these guessing games one day 😂
Have you tested the Cobra King Tour irons? What are you thoughts on those. I have a mate that games them, and they look fantastic. Thinking of getting a set.
I have tested 3 different irons over the last month before I lay down $1800 ( CAD) . The Apex 21, the P790 and the T200. All three feel great and look fantastic , The only issue I had with one of these clubs is the spin rate, The T200 7 iron for some reason would come out like a knuckleball with very low spin even though all my other numbers ( with my swing) were normal, The one I got along with the best was the P790 even though as a long time Callaway user it pains me to say but for me it outperformed the Apex 21's slightly. Maybe this will be a TM Christmas this year. Another solid video by DHG, Good job all.
Tempting, but only the nr 1 seems to be able to replace my mp20mmc mizuno’s
Callaway Apex? Guess I’ll find out
What about p770?
Evening all
I've done a lot of testing on sim's / launch monitors as well for various irons and I have to say for myself, my sweet spot seems to be 34° (7 iron) with DG S300 shafts, they keep me in the 6800~7200rpm spin range and 19°~21° launch window. Currently bagging Wilson Staff Model CB/Blades combo, but backup irons are Srixon ZX7 MKII with lighter weight shafts.. stronger lofts of the ZX7's with lighter weight shafts just about equal out to the DG S300 130g shaft setup in the Wilsons. I've tried all on your list, except the APEX Pro's.
PXG Gen6 0311XP still front runner for me, at the moment.
Maltby STi2 irons $300
Hey Dan, awesome video. I might be a little biased being a Ping player, currently playing the i210 irons 3-U. Also disadvantaged being a Left Handed golfer, Ping is great, giving everything in their range in both hands. I have hit the i230, minimal difference between the 2 generations of clubs.
Well if it’s not zx5 it has beT150?
Callaway apex pro 24 avec le bon shaft est simplement fantastique, facile à jouer, performant, et tolérant que demande de plus. Par contre il faut vraiment bien choisir son shaft, le modèle proposé par callaway de série n'était pas le bon pour moi trop difficile à jouer , j'ai monté le neo pro 950 le résultat est fantastique
I guessed right Apex pro.
Mizuno JPX forged
I’d say the Titleist 300 series
T200
T200
I’m looking to buy a new set of irons and your heading caught my eye. I recently went for a custom fitting and made it clear that I did not have any preconceived ideas regarding brand or shaft stiffness. Of the irons I tried the trackman data showed I did best with the Callaway Apex Pro and Mizuno Pro 225. Based on the data I was told the Mizuno suited me better because it was higher spinning with a tighter dispersion although I was 4 yards longer with the Callaway.
Good fitting by the sound of it and well explained 👍 which did you get?
Cobra King Tour........ ?
Srizon sx5 MKII
My guess is Mizuno JPX
I'm guessing that you'll have the Titleist 150 or the Ping i230 pretty high in your ratings. Interested to hear the final standings.
The Ping is up there for sure 😍
Taylormade Stealth
Takomo 200 or 101 t
Srixon zx 5 mk II
teitlist t200
Srixon ZX5 MII
Mizuno MP225!
Titleist, T 200
Mizuno 243
T100 or 150!
PXG 0311T
Mizuno