Discussing Indigeneity At Berkeley
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2021
- At Berkeley University a conversation on indigeneity was sparked in the middle of campus when a Polynesian American student approached a table discussing Jewish identity and liberation.
The student was respectful and willing to listen, which unfortunately is rare to find in times with such political divide. The student also did not harbor many of the anti-Semitic tropes that are commonly found amongst those who have not been exposed to facts such as Jews being the indigenous pre-colonial collective that originate from the land of Judea/Israel.
That being said, he did unintentionally hold double standards against the Jewish people, which is one of the ways that anti-Semitism is expressed. In other words, if one believes in native rights and the liberation/self-determination of indigenous populations and supports all indigenous collectives, but holds a different standard when it comes to the Jewish people, that is a form of holding double standards specifically against Jews and thus an anti-Semitic position.
Throughout the conversation the student clearly showed that indigenous rights for such populations were extremely important and in line with his core values, especially being native Hawaiian and a supporter of the liberation movements there. However, when discussing Jewish indigeneity, he shifted the conversation to questioning the legitimacy of "borders" or bringing up the current conflict.
His comments and conclusions were not malicious nor were they intended to offend, but that doesn't mean that they weren’t also xenophobic in nature. Imagine if someone was speaking to Native American Nations, to Tibetans, or to Polynesians about identity, land rights and self-determination, and in response to that were countered with talks of borders or current ethnic conflict in these lands. This would clearly be at best insensitive and at worst an attempt to use struggle out of context in order to delegitimize an indigenous groups identity, struggles, and needs.
The conversations on borders or ethnic conflict are ones that need their own space, and should never be conflated or used to minimize conversations on one group’s identity and indigenous rights.
It is not the student’s fault to have responded the way that he did. It is the fault of pop-culture not grasping the concept of Jewish identity, liberation, and indigenous rights. It is the responsibility of the group in question to narrate their own story in order for the pop-culture of a society to evolve and for the population to then differentiate what is right and with what is wrong.
This video was made in collaboration with the Berkeley Tikvah student group.
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Edited by: Leibman Productions
As A Hawaiian/Polynesian. I can definitely identify and see the parallels with the Jewish people and their struggle to maintain their identity amidst all the anti Israel and Anti Semitism that's propogated. All the best to the Jewish people. The fact that you were able to re establish a state in your own ancestral homeland is a miracle. Mazel Tov
Praying for your people are able to have self determination as well
@@sarahparrilla588 Thank you and Shavua Tov!
Thanks bro it’s sad that people are saying things without doing any research
You’re a hypocrite
@@tarektahan7759 Nah
Always love seeing two people having a discussion calmly without shouting or hate.
More of this please.
Peace 🙏
Just a side note, when talking about conversion to Judaism people might get the wrong impression because when they hear conversion they tend to think of how it works with Islam or Christianity for instance, but converting to Judaism is a process that requires you to prove that it's something that awakened deep within your soul and for that reason it's a tough, long, and discouraging process that only those who truly, truly want to complete will end up doing so.
People who hear this knowing the struggle in converting to Judaism will have a *very* different notion of converts than those who think it's like missionary religions
He seemed super sour at the end but respects to the Polynesian dude for keeping it civil and shaking hands.
I hope Hawaiian and other Polynesian groups achieve self determinations too
Well he is leftist and he contradicts himself. From one side he wants to have independent country as Hawaii but at the same time he doesn’t believe in nationalism and borders? Like.... idk. If he doesn’t believe in borders or nationalism or patriotism so why building any nation as identity at first place? Weird.
@@SebaX92 I think he thinks of it like every person has a right to exist in their homeland but having a western-type established line and borders is against his mindset and culture. Just think about how much different the conflict would be if borders were not a thing. There would be no walls or checkpoints or separation. We’d be forced to have to live together in some sort of harmony.
Polynesians have a long history of slaughtering each other to maintain and compete for territory. It's a sad part of the human condition that must be managed, rather than wished away. Wishing it away does not work and only leads to more violence and brutality. Am Yisrael Chai!@@joshuarogers4362
Free State of Hawaii, Palestine and Israel where all could live in peace...but first let's all do the homework🌳
Damn Rudy must have a huge library of unreleased videos from pre-Covid
loving that green Sudra Rudy!
Thought it was a keffiyeh but then I realized that didn't make any sense. 😂 I don't know my scarfs very well. If it's on the shelf and I need to go outside during the winter I use it.
@@twistedyogert haha, tbh they look quite similar
@Mr bob man not at all
@Mr bob manIf I recall correctly such scarfs-headdresses were ancient middle eastern thing, not exclusively arabic. Ancient hebrews also wore them.
Been a fan for a year now, I appreciate everything you do Rudy. Every video you post and conversation you start is a mitzvah in my eyes!
Incredible work Rudy 👏 You are such an inspiration. Keep it up!
I wonder if people consciously knew how many times they say "like," mid-sentence, they'd stop saying "like" so much.
Hi Rudy, are there any books you would recommend about the history of Israel/Judea?
I absolutely love when you debate chill people
That goodbye at the end was so sour from him. Wth? Haha
i think he didn't like rudy's argument of individual vs collective indegeniety
@@eall5630 The Polynesian dude hated it because his theoretical utopia doesn't have race, religion, or nations. So if you have any collective identity that sets you apart you shatter his dreams of utopia. Meanwhile self-determination should be allowed... The Polynesian dude doesn't say who gets that self-determination because any answer would give way to some division of peoples.
Maybe he just got tired of talking.
his mood got ruined by thinking about homework lol its understandable :D
Than you for fighting anti-semitism & all racism, Rudy Rochman!
Lebanese-Israeli view would be interesting!!!!!
Yayyyyyy I was waiting for a vid of urs for like a month
This Hawaiian is one of the few people in the campus having a serious conversation while all the rest seem to be bussy partying and extending their adolescence with their parents' money. And then they will cry to the government for someone else to pay their student loans. God, I hate university these days!
I think it's more reasonable to ask for Hawai to secede from the Union than to wish for America to collapse.
Nah, Hawaii is just one of the many nations subjugated by USA, the world's biggest terrorist regime
The guy in the video would HATE living in "pre-colonial" Hawaii. He's as Western as any other evil American. @@justaboi4791
This guy just can't handle the internal conflict. Good luck Hawaii.
Yeah...born and raised in Hawaii. The youth have been brainwashed like all across the US. It’s disheartening.
what do you mean?
Well put and beautiful explanation on indigenous people to there land. Maybe your best dialogue! Great words on making him see differently even though at the end his expression didn’t seem that way.
3:52 idk about ya'll, I was vibin with the music
when was this filmed? no one's wearing a mask
Before rona
@@RudyRochman Are you in the USA now, or in Israel?
Wow Rudy nice Sudra!
Rudy looks clean af
This Hawaiian guy said "LIKE" more times than the likes of this video.
Why was Rudy so nervous about telling this guy he was talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict, it really came out at the end until the guy realize that Rudy is actually talking about Israel
9:00 - the look on the face of that dude. hahahahaha
I’ve never met a Polynesian
I sended 4 times same message :) but there is programmed key words to sift messages
“Like um like uh like”
Here is what I know. Demographics is destiny.
freedom for israel, kurdistan, ireland
Hi
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Take a Shot, every time this dude says, "like"
That’s interesting communication....😕 kinda didn’t relate to it.. but same issue.. How did Polynesian got into Jewish identity? Can you enlighten me a bit more of that Rudy. I got lost.. I thought we were talking about our identity..
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Nice Rolex
melech
Bro... stop saying like like like. You sound ‘like’ a 14 year old rather than a representative speaking on behalf of native Hawaiians. BTW I’m a full blood Maori.
Oh, OK well he wasn't buying that. It takes more than a flute and a basket to hypnotize people but watching Rudy light up at the thought of no more America was worth the price of the ticket. Just come right out and tell people what you think and believe Rudy it's no different than what certain of the Rabbi's say and teach.
This Hawaiian is such a hypocrite. His sour face at the end says it all.
Nice lawyering
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That moment that you realize you were only a zionist, because Rudy is so well dressed.
Love Rudy
he is a goof
@@hamedKhatibani-hr3ox sorry dude, Im just doing my homework right now. The beauty of freedom of thought is that I am allowed to disagree with you.
@@anthonyjat1964 study hard bro
@@hamedKhatibani-hr3ox you to man, best of luck in life brother
Like, like, like, like, like..... Omg! 🤦♂️ Develop your language!
I want to see the change of mind of both Jews and Arabs in Israel tbh. I feel for both sides but at the same time I don’t like how many of Israeli Jews (not all) treat Palestinian Arabs who have much less power. I also don’t like what Hamas has done as well. So I hope to see the day when people from both sides don’t have to distrust or be scared of each other. I’m amazed by the country tbh. But I also want to see Israel as a country that no one hates or being called evil. Like everyone deserves to exist but at the same time they don’t deserve to get hurt for just existing as well.
I might sound very ignorant rn but there is something i dont really understand...okay, so Jewish ppl = indigenous to judea = creation of Israel = back to their land, a land where they are connected to = self determination of this group...but when it comes to self determination, what about the Palestinians, they dont have the right to have their own land as well? where are they going to self determinate since the Jewish took over the land where they where living? idk this just doesn't make 100% sense to me, but who am I to judge
The situation just seems like a sum zero game, two peoples fight for self determination in their homeland. Only one can win. Rudy is just on the israeli side.
Hi isreali here , were all for the palastinians living here , I have palastinian friends and I moved my recruitment in the army to 2023 so I could do a year of learning about palastinian culture and breaking the isreali - palastinian berrier , the media only shows the extremists because of rating and what they saying is totally false
If you watch more of this dudes content he also thinks Palestinians have the right to self-determination.
@7:26 I don’t believe in race either by the way LOL the sky is all about his race dominating over another race and he does not believe in race LOL
Native American tribes never fought or enslaved each other. #Sarcasm
This is also my problem with this attitude. The West isn't perfect, but it established systems that would eventually render slavery illegal, granted more rights to the individual than he ever had and gradually made everyone so much more safe and secure from physical harm or decease.
I'm sick and tired of this trans socialist or w/e the hack they are, manipulating the narrative focusing only on flaws of the West to undermine its entirety. Dishonest, provocative and misleading narratives bring no progress.
I'm not western, but I absolutely admire what the best in the West has given the world.
If they think that by dismantling it they will bring utopia, never stop reminding them that there were at least three tyrannies that promised utopia in the 20th century. And they ended up being bloodiest dystopias humanity ever known. Why the heck should anyone believe that these hacks will do better when even their arguments aren't complete?
@@Mr9mann so well said! 👏absolutely brilliant.
If America did fall that would not mean the first nations would take over lol there are less then a million first nations and 3 billion asians looking for land 🤣
I'm not sure what anyone thinks "indigenous" actually means. No individual race sprouted from a certain land and has historic claim to it. If that were the case, we'd all be able to lay claims all over the place. Absurd
But this Hawaiian dude has really spent time thinking on this. Deep thoughts there
If you want to know why I (covert🖖) think he walked away on that last bit, I'd be happy to expound
What about self-determination of the Palestinian people?
First they need a stable government.
I would like to challenge Mr Rochman on the subject of modern day Jews, or those who identify as Jews, being descendants of the Judaeans who were expelled from their land 1700-1900 years ago. Why is he so confident in his statement? Let’s say there have been 68 generations since the expulsion of the Judaeans circa 300 AD (sorry, not sure what date this event took place). Is that not too many generations of people to ascertain that they are direct descendants of the Judaeans? Can they all trace their family history back to that time?
I like Rudy but he needs to be more honest. The British didn't stop your from speaking Hebrew and practicing your culture. They just stopped mass immigration because of Arab revolts.
You contradict yourself Rudy. You say there's no such thing as race but then you say that Jews are genetically connected to Israel. If a Jew stops practicing Judaism, he's still racially Jewish. But if a convert stops practicing Judaism then he stops being culturally Jewish. If you don't believe in race, then you can't say that Jews have a genetic connection to Israel.
Not only his contradiction, he thinks his ancient nation which kicked off Canaaites is better than “modern” nations which migrated. Every nation is modern at certain point of time. 😁🤡
there are so many people not practicing social distancing and no one's wearing a mask??
ALSO: how can rudy not believe in race race is very real, and its often tied with where people are from, ex: Jews are middle eastern, which is not exactly white. And he agrees with this. so to say race isn't real is a downright lie.
This was obviously filmed before the virus outbreak come on bro
Rudy go learn some new u talk always just empty words never prove some
Can you disprove his arguments, though? He's speaking a lot of truth in these videos. Anyways, same questions will get the same answers.
@@zeromortalsplan can u say any true what he say ?
@lada zibarova l know the history
@@balkanboybomi7996 yes, he is saying a lot of truth. What did he say that was false
@@zeromortalsplanSure, that’s easy to do that 😁🤡 - first of all he contradicts himself - not believing in the race and the same time claiming Jews are genetically connected to certain land. Second - he never defined what means to be indigenous. All nations were “modern” at certain period, so trying to validate his nation and invalidate US nation because his nation is older is funny. 😁🤡
rudy father is from europe...whyb not go back to europe and migrated to palestine legally
this comment doesn't even make gramatical sense...
Rudy: I don’t believe in races. Also Rudy: white Europeans......
Israel *has* a right to exist, but they could be a little kinder to their neighbors. Kindness is not a sign of weakness, someone can be firm but kind.
not on other peoples land . just like i have the right to exist but that doesn't mean i can enter your home and use it as my own
@@hassanalbasirjamal7013 Surely you recognize that someone who is pro-Israel believes that that land *is* their land.
It's not as if Israeli people are saying "this is your land and I'm going to take it", they're saying "this is my ancestral homeland and therefore I have a right to self-determine here".
@@kronosDking too bad international law disagree with them !
@@hassanalbasirjamal7013 It does not, but that isn't the point. It's about recognizing there are more narratives other than the one you ascribe to. If you think that your narrative is the absolute truth it's easy to think that people with different views are somehow 'evil' or malicious, but if you understand that they simply work off of different assumptions than you do then you will have an easier time understanding them and coming to a compromise.
Maybe their neighbours should be kind too? Like not attacking Israel the day it was founded?
Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitic
It is of you deligitimize their right to statehood in their own land.
@@anthonyjat1964 not there home land lol get out of your bubble
@@anthonyjat1964 they have the right to state hood with equal right for all not only for them they are a racist state
@@anthonyjat1964 who gave brittan the right to give away land and transfer there population to colonise and give everything to white European fake atheist jews
@@truthtopower48 uh no, look, Israel's occupation of the West bank is illegal and wrong because Palestinians are living as secons class citizens with their rights violated. Israel also launching rockets into Gaza is wrong because the majority of Palestiniansin Gaza are children. The Israelis have alot of responsibility to the Palestinians for the horrible things that the government does to them as a people. I think we could both agree on that. But Jews as an ethnic group do come from Judea and the went into Europe. Obviously Middle Eastern Jews mixed with white people but they still have a right to statehood in the Levant. I personally support giving the entire West Bank to Palestinians because Palestinians have the right to self determination in their own land. But I want to ask you something off topic. Do you consider Jews whether they are European, Ethiopian, Iraqi, Afgani, or even Chinese to still be Middle Eastern? Because white chtistian people have always considered Jews to be from the Middle East even if those Jews looked white.
This dude got absolutely decimated by Noam Chomsky. Please find it and watch it now 😂 gonna need a lot more than a green Sudra 😂😂😂
He wishes the america empire falls? WTF