Why King Cold SOLOS Dragon Ball Z
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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*distant Zarbon moan*
Oh my.....
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TFS really just made the joke everyone expected from Zarvon, and then had a deep cut with the Bulgarian dub for the reason why Dodoria was a female out of seemingly nowhere. Plus the whole Big Green Dub and Little Green being Dende.
Lol 😂
@RobXHolic FoxyFan no I'm pretty sure devilartamis made the meme popular
I like how some artwork depicts King Cold’s Final form as looking like a combination of Final form Frieza and Cooler.
It is from Dragon Ball Multiverse, a popular doujinshi made by Salagir that been running since 2008. It updates weekly and has it own website.
@@lordaizen6815 I thought that was where it was from, I’ve never properly read it but I’ve seen plenty of videos and I must agree it is easily the best Dragonball Fan Manga and the fact that it’s still being updated after over a decade is impressive.
@@lordaizen6815 Did DBM predicted the multiverse of DBS?
Yep, you can chec the art of the main artist, Asura i think its his insta, but it has links in the db multiverse page
Dude makes a 2+ hour long video about how much Super is a disgrace as a sequel series, and then makes a 10 minute video about King Cold being insanely strong. I love this channel.
Is it though I mean super was pretty awesome. I still see a lot of people getting into super and being like wow this is better than I thought it would be.. watching T.O.P.
@@Cyborous super was very mid for most of its time and considering how advanced it should be as it's settle way after z production but still failed in expectations
@@ohhellwhereami2574 to be fair GT was below mid for the majority of it. The black star dragon all arc was painful to watch. The super 17 arc made absolutely no sense and was poorly written. Then can you even name all of the shadow dragons? Aside from Omega and 1 or 2 others all of the others felt like a boring filler arc. All things considered GT only had 3 good moments, the baby saga, the later half of the shadow dragon saga, and the ending. At least super had more than 3 good moments
@@ojpickle5923 not below mid definitely it really bring components of og db ,great ideas just poor execution and for its time u gotta consider it was better than what super Turned out to be and let's not over see that toriyama had involvement yet was a disgrace to original z
@@Cyborous ToP is what made me drop it. Shame too, cause I like what I heard of Moro, but DB has had enough time in the limelight personally.
As cool as the idea of King Cold having more transformations would be, if he does, there's little reason for him to not realize the sheer danger of Trunks after Trunks so casually deleted Frieza in front of him. King Cold is definitely at his maximum power against Trunks, and it's not remotely enough. It's not like Trunks didn't give him the time to transform either. King Cold could've transformed the moment Frieza got wiped out. But seeing as he didn't in the face of an opponent clearly far superior, and instead went for trickery instead shows that King Cold really had nothing up his sleeve. I don't gripe over lost potential for a villain in Cold because simply put, he was just basically Frieza's dad who was retired. Probably been chilling at his vacation home drinking wines and stuff not bothered in the slightest.
Yeah exactly. I don’t think his character was wasted because that would imply him having potential that they didn’t act on, but that wasn’t the case that was his whole amount of character when he fought trunks. If he could’ve transformed, he would’ve transformed.
@@Cyborous Well actually 🤓
King Cold wrongly assumed Trunks was so easily able to kill Freeza due to his sword being special in some way.
He taunts Trunks into allowing him to inspect the sword and King Cold, while holding what he believes to be the main source of the young warrior's powers, feels confident enough in his estimation to attack Trunks with the blade.
Trunks then ends King Cold.
There is nothing to suggest that King Cold cannot transform further, and if you think DBZ characters power up to their max/final form at the first show of a challenge then I have to ask; Do you watch DBZ?
@astrovarius543 you are 100% correct I thought this exact same thing and figured someone had to comment on why king cold got bodied so quick he literally thought trunk's sword was special and was still very relaxed but when he went to attack trunks with it he quickly got unexcptedly 1 shot
@@astrovarius543 Why bother using subterfuge at all if he could have just powered up and crushed Trunks? The sword wouldn't have mattered; he wanted to take it because he thought it would allow him to defeat Trunks. But if he could power up to a level far above Frieza, he didn't NEED the sword. It would have been meaningless, and he's taking a big risk on the gamble that Trunks will hand over the sword in the first place.
And even if you go with the (Very forced) argument that he was just too confident to do it, you'd think he would have at least TRIED to power up when it became clear that the sword was useless, instead of sitting there begging for his life.
He didn't. Because he couldn't.
Multiple character statements by characters who were aware of King Cold's existence make it clear that Frieza, not King Cold, was the strongest being in the universe. King Cold is weaker than Frieza.
Another point, super saiyan goku has no trouble wiping Frieza and king cold in the original timeline while trunks goes in extremely cocky. Implying that they didn’t really have more to offer.
I always thought the second form was Cold's top level. Sure, he was almost as powerful as freeza, BUT he 'retired' and that large bulky form was kinda useless (hence why the final form is so much smaller and more lithe). I think Cold set up his grip on the galaxy and then gave it to freeza knowing his son was more powerful, and had more potential.
The second form evidently IS his top level. And he was nowhere near as powerful as Frieza.
When the ship is coming in to land on earth and Yamcha is freaking out over Frieza's power level, Krillin states: "This is nothing. He gets way stronger than this." The Frieza that King Cold is being compared to was a massively suppressed version; Krillin only ever saw half of Frieza's power on Namek, and Mecha Frieza is evidently at a far lower level than that on the approach to earth.
King Cold was NOWHERE NEAR as powerful as Frieza.
@@seraphinaaizen6278 Also people forget that it's an *assumption* that the forms are standard for the Frieza race. Frieza's "final" form is his true form, and all the transformations we saw him use were power *limiters* he created for himself through his race's natural shapeshifting ability. Golden Frieza is the first time he's actually used that ability to increase his power rather than suppress it. There's no reason to suspect that King Cold has the same set of forms, nor the need for them.
But everything involving King Cold is headcanon anyway. His narrative purpose was to be a de facto second Frieza for Trunks to demolish. To show us that these new villains are so powerful that even someone who can kill *TWO FRIEZAS* is no match for them. Textbook serial escalation.
In fact, the same thing happens in reverse at the end of the Granolah arc. UI Goku and UE Vegeta are extremely powerful? How do we show off Black Frieza? By having him one shot both at once. It's come full circle.
@Seraphina Aizen
That’s how I saw it live in the 90s in Japanese and later in English. Frieza surpassed his siblings and father and became the new emperor long before the battle on Namek.
Likewise, Goku and Vegeta were more powerful than their fathers and Gohan briefly surpassed Goku in the Cell Games only to stop training.
@@seraphinaaizen6278 The problem with what you said is that if we assume he had more transformations then obviously he would appear to be less powerful than he is.
Mecha Freeza was already in Final form.
@@SIPEROTH Mecha Freeza was in final form, but not at 100% of his power. We know this from character statements (Krillin outright states that Frieza 'Gets way stronger than this' on the approach to earth) and we also know that when Frieza powers up to 100%, his muscles swell up massively. He never did that here. Trunks didn't give him the opportunity.
Whatever the case, King Cold is evidently a comparative weakling compared to Frieza. He was such a footnote that Trunks didn't even directly address him until after Frieza was dead. He was an afterthought.
He clearly wasn't of any note in the original timeline when Goku fought him either. Because he's barely ever mentioned again. Far from being some kind of unstoppable, super powered beast that was comparable to his son, he's barely even worth mentioning.
correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember in trunks timeline, goku defeated both frieza and king cold.
and as we all know... the Z worriers( specifically goku and vegeta ) always let the bad guys get to their full power before fighting them.
two words "heart virus" goku would die much early
@@Soxsller_The_Hedgehog plz explain?? Because from the looks of it, your response has nothing to do with my comment.
@@abq4565 we know future goku the one who fight cold and frieza
got killed by the virus much early then present goku
that doe to the energy he used against those two
and if goku wait for king cold to go into final form
he will maybe die in the middle of the fight
and vegeta doesn’t have ssj yet so that is a bad idea to wait for cold to transform
@@Soxsller_The_Hedgehog no. earlier as in before the androids appear. thats in 3 years. so original timeline: freeza and king cold get defeated by Goku. vegeta is not ssj yet. then 1-2 years later goku dies from disease. Vegeta gets ssj but is killed by the androids as is everyone else except gohan and trunks.
@@sandermez3856 yes, goku defeats both freeza and king cold in the original timeline
“He would use maybe 2 fingers? Both hands?” 😂😂 bruh that’s hilarious. Amazing video, I’m so glad you did this because this has been on my mind for actual years thank you so much
I like how that one fan series with a multiversal tournament where in one of them Ginyu took over Cold and made that body reach monsterous forms.
It's sad that King Cold was wasted, he's one of my favorite Dragon Ball Characters.
He truly looks cooler than his sons 😎
Im sorry but how is one of your favorite character a character that only got like 3 minutes of screen time? He didn't do much lol.
Lol
@Kamyshovo A lot of fan mangas like Dragonball Multiverse greatly expand Cold's potential and character, it's the same reason people like Raditz, great potential gone to waste.
Plenty of characters to choose and you say king cold?
Freeza is a prodigy, he has a massive power even for members of his race. Even if King Cold DID unleash his true power (if that's what you mean by transforming, since Freeza's race actually transforms to SUPRESS their power) it wouldn't have been stronger than Mecha Freeza at that moment.
That's what i'm Saiyan. Pretty sure it was stated that Frieza was stronger than his father.
@@thekindred999 it is in a few guidebooks and it’s implied in the series.
Yeah King Cold was MISHANDLED definitely. There's been plenty of situations where the Z fighters could have defeated there enemies without even giving them a fair chance. But King Cold went down without any hints of his potential to match the Super Saiyan form. They probably would've had to hit that hyperbolic time chamber sooner than later.🤔💭
You KNOW Cold is in HIFL with Raditz, mad A F.
@@stamina4days Lol. I'm just saying if Cold could transform, he died like a scrub for nothing.
@@divineeternity7268 I wouldn't say his death was for nothing.
In terms of the plot, it made a very clear and loud statement. This is a new saga, and what you think you know about strength in Dragon Ball is still wrong.
It was very impressive and intimidating on first watch. I think it gave a huge boost to the android saga as a whole (and subsequently Cell too) and of course boosted the hell out of Trunks, creating a very cool and memorable scene.
I like the idea of exploring King Cold more. Like imagine it actually was Resurrection C instead of F, and rather than keep beating the dead horse with Freeza, have a whole "Cold Empire" revival saga where Cold brings back Freeza and introduces Cooler to the story.
We'd see the full family dynamic with the two brothers and their father, and we'd have three big-bad-antagonists to throw at our giga-powered Saiyans.
But yeah, I suppose that's what "what ifs" are for :P
@@astrovarius543you just fixed super
@@irasac1 Bruh, it'll take more than that to fix super.
But thanks haha
Addressing around the 4:20 mark
1. Frieza couldn't sense power at this point, so in his arrogant mind he probably thought the last fight was closer than it actually was.
2. He knew about saiyans getting stronger after each fight, but he vastly underestimated it and didn't understand the dynamics of the Zenkai boosts which was implied several times.
HE'S ONTO NOTHING AGAIN 🔥🔥🗣🗣
Ever since I read Dragon Ball Multiverse, I've always looked at King Cold differently.
I liked the dabura vs cell fight. Same with how nappa trolled Frieza 😂😂🤣
It's worth noting that Frieza and Cooler are prodigies among their race and that's one of the reasons they would be able to transform more times. It's entirely possible that King Cold just isn't as powerful as them, either due to that, age, or just not having the same drive to improve. I'd like to see Cold transform. He'd be significantly larger than Frieza in every form, in fact some people point out that he may only be in his 1st form. He may even become a giant once he gets going.
One thing people dont understand about freeza is that his true form is his final form, he created form 1 to 3 to contain his own power because he couldnt control it
@@rockk9753: This, and as seen in DBS with his Golden form, Frieze can choose what his transformations look like. It's entirely plausible Cold doesn't have any transformations, and the only reasons Frieza's repressed forms look like his daddy was an intentional tribute.
@@rockk9753 Dude everyone knows that. You're not bringing any news here
@@TheUnderDogUzumaki obviously not if they think Cold has more transformations just because freeza second form looks like him, and cooler said himself that freeza was always stronger than him until he developed a new form, freeza didnt develop any new forms to become stronger like cooler did until he developed Golden freeza and he said himself he chose it to be that color
@@rockk9753 Bruhh you're not reinventing the wheel here. People know the whole deal of Frieza's transformations. They just like speculating and theorizing about the possibilities. Mate!! I can't believe I have to explain such a simple concept
I doubt that king cold was strong at all actually. its said that 4th form freiza was his base form, same for king cold, he was in his version of a fourth form. Freiza race members dont transform to multiply their power like saiyans do, they use it to adapt physically to their environment or to suppress themselves. Though it would be cool if king cold was stronger.
cold was not in has base
He was not in his base. You just said that frieza transforms to supress his power.........well King Cold was literally doing the exact same thing. Why would he be in his fourth (base) form already while Freiza suppresses his power??? He was never in his true base form. He probably chose that form to suppress power as there were never any need to use it like his son freiza
@@kevintyson1947 The reason I say that is because Frieza was much stronger than any member of his race anyways. Also they can customize their forms. thats why when frieza turned golden he mentioned CHOOSING a color. He also states this in Xenoverse. Your OC is a copy cat, that is also stated. Idk if they choose their base form but its stated that they choose how many forms they have and how they look. Also while im at it, thats why the character from xenoverse can only use golden form. It wouldnt make sense for your forms to make you weaker mid fight.
@@ssjgotenks2009 what states hes not in his base?
@@kevintyson1947 Also him not being in base is never stated, they just said he could transform. just because he resembles 2nd form frieza dosnt mean hes only in second form. frieza probably made his second form based on his father.
It mentions he improves his abilities by transforming, but I'm guessing a 2nd form is the max transformation he can do. There is no indication he was "hiding" anything, and the translation doesn't suggest that either. That would be an interesting thought though! He'd probably be similar to Frost from Universe 6 in power if he could get to the 4th form.
Sad not even popo level
@@lowclasswarrior9269 Nobody is Popo level. Even Popo couldn't tell you as just the knowledge to the power of Popo would force your mind to cave in and your heart to explode from within your chest.
sure there was cold said trunks only beat frieza do to ahs sowld way wood he trasnfor fi he thinsk that
the thing is that Friezas' lore does imply that King Cold was not in his final form. Frieza's natural state is the final form we see most often. All 3 prior forms are actually his suppressed forms, to reduce energy consumption. If the natural state is the final form, King Cold being daddy means that his natural state is the final form as well. Even if we go off ONLY stated lore, he would be able to transform AT LEAST ONCE to reach final form (because who knows if the third form is really applicable for Cold or not; Frost did have it, but that doesn't mean Cold does).
There was no indication he wasn't "hiding'' his power either.
Imagine if King cold and frieza fused with King cold’s final form obviously. How strong would they be at the start of when trunks appears? Stronger than perfect cell?
And give him black form
I don't think Freeza and Cold ever would or should fuse.
But its interesting to think about.
It should be freezer and cooler
Given that goku killed cold in the original timeline i doubt that he was that powerful. Im basing this off of goku most likely giving cold a chance to leave peacefully/allowing time to transform.
Isn’t it implied that Goku just went up and killed them real fast?
@___________6181 no details were given on that fight.
@@i-10haula88 The only thing that I remember hearing is Goku teleported to the ship I think.
But I’m not sure how official that is honestly.
@___________6181 I read through the manga earlier during the chapters where trunks appeared the first time and didn't see anything like that. I'll read some later. The only one that would really discuss that with trunks is future gohan and that's still a Longshot of a discussion.
@@i-10haula88 I think that it’s from a guide or some thing. Definitely not from source material.
Friezas 4th form is said to be his true natural form and 1 2 3 are just suppressed forms. Cold should have at least 1 more transformation to his true form
I'm not quite sure if he did have a any other form. The reason is that, in original timeline there was no trunks, thus Goku would have to save the planet, knowing him he would like to squeeze out of his oponent maximum, so assuming that he fought Freeza and King cold (noone else would defeat them at that time) then King Cold coldn't be that much overpowered. The other thing is that offspring tends to be more powerful with more potential that its parents, maybe that was the case of Freeza?
I was always under the assumption that was King Colds' current final form in manga/anime. Frieza is considered a mutant in his own alien race with more transformations and insane potential. That's why King Cold has his son as head of the empire due to being special in power among his people.
I mean, if as said he could go final form like Frieza when his current form matched half of Final Form Frieza on Namek, he be beyond Cell Saga level. I don't think he could or had that, though, during Trunks slaughtering them both. Mind we are all speculating on King Cold given how short his time was. We only have him, Frieza, and Universe 6 Frost to go by for their race in canon. With Frost being supposedly the mirror to Frieza.
So, for all we know, most of their race may have one form. With Cold line having more say two perhaps and his son Frieza having much more for Universe 7.
I hate the OVA movie I'll be mentioning, but to bring it up given, I believe Toriyama was more involved with it. When Bardock went back in time and became SSJ... He faced Lord Chilled. Who was obviously an ancestor or at very least same race as Frieza and Cold. He only had one form giving my view that most of the race is probably similar outside Cold and more so Frieza.
For Universe 7, at least, as obviously, we know even less about Universe 6 equivalent as we only seen Frost.
I love hiw the preview for the video has cold looking like some weird homer simpson and freizer hybrid like once i see that i cant unsee it!
In reality cold was probably around the same power level equivalent to Frieza's second and third form's at least in the manga so that means if cold could transform (which he definitely could have) he probably would have been pretty much equal to Frieza something Goku and trunk's can handle.
Nope colds power in his second form was pretty much equal to final form freiza as stated by vegeta, so final form would be pretty insane
@@grease_8387 when did Vegeta say that?
@@ashuraomega7113 when freiza and cold were coming to earth, they sensed both of them and vegeta and some of the others state that their power levels were almost completely equal, and freiza was in his final form when they sensed him
@@grease_8387 this was in the anime or manga? Or both?
@@ashuraomega7113 I know for sure it was in the anime, but not sure about the manga. I still think that trunks could handle him since he handled Frieza so easily. And goku arriving would have been overkill because he was way stronger than trunks.
Saw a fan manga on Namek where Captain Ginyu was betrayed by Frieza similar to what Vegeta did Nappa, but Ginyu body swapped with a nobody and managed to escape on a pod. Then went back to the capitol and body swapped with Cold....and pretty much realized Cold walked around hiding all his power and never trained. Well....lol Ginyu proceeded to actually train and got the 5th form Cooler got plus a 6th. Was a beast.
Pretty cool to think about all the what if's.
I was always under the impression that ginyu couldn't swap with frieza or cold because both frieza and cold have strong telepathy type powers. Being able to move mountains and giant rocks with thier minds. I always felt like ginyu knew they could block it or something to that effect.
If frieza was smart he'd use the dragonballs to bring his father and brother back and have them train in that time chamber he trained in. The 3 of them might actually be able to defeat the saiyans
I think your headcannon sounds interesting. But I believe that King Cold at his last form would be just as strong if not a little stronger than android 16. Which is already insanely impressive. Considering that Android 16 was so strong at the first arch of the cell saga that he could easly breeze through out all of the z fighters plus android 17, and 18 together without making an effort.
King C❄ld:
☃️
Trunks:
Bruh, bring that same energy..🔮
I just assumed at best he was as strong as Cooler was portrayed. Cause there’s no way Goku in the original timeline just kills king cold right off the bat
Compelling vid, but nothing in the canon supports Cold transforming. That DVD Box claim contradicts the manga.
Frieza's forms are exclusive to him specifically, he said he created those to restrain the power of his original body. So they're not even powerups as the DVD Box implies...
Lastly we know for a fact, as it's stated, that in the manga Cold is weaker than Frieza while in the anime they say he's stronger -- but, being weaker, he likely doesn't need 'restrains' like Frieza. Meaning what we saw was already his original body. This explains why he didn't even try nor mention transformations against Trunks, and only tries to steal his sword.
Because he can't.
The DVD Box is just wrong, as the DBZ anime is at times.
"Kid Buu is the strongest Buu" anyone?
Canon writing is for Gerbers anyway 🤣🤣
No? His family has the mutation that lets him transform.
Freiza didnt want to revive his father because he knew he would become stronger than him
oh saure is thatg way cooler can trnaofm eh told goku as you know am in ym 3rd form enmaing he has forms liek fireza no he not siad oty bweake then fireza the z fighterrs say cold is jsut as strong as frieza when they sence him quit leiinbg
Freeza was made by King Alone nothing contradicts what he said in the video😊
Kay, but here's a thought; Maybe the form we see Cold in *IS* his final form. Both of his sons have final forms that were/are vastly different from each other. And they've all been stated to be mutations in one form or another. So it stands to reason that if Cold CAN transform, the form we see him in is likely the apex of his ability to do so. Hence why he didn't do so when Trunks killed Freeza.
My Dad Is Crazy Strong.
My person favourite king cold theory is because it says he looks like friezas second form that could imply that he’s just a more aged first form and that he still has the second form to transform into because we all know frieza isn’t that old compared to his dad
I believe that Frieza states that he is the strongest between himself and King Cold upon facing Trunks, which King Cold doesn’t ever object to. It could be that Frieza and Cooler are just stronger than their father because they are natural born prodigies who both possess the capability of transforming further, while King Cold would have to train in order to do the same. Because, if King Cold was going to try and fight Trunks to win I’m almost certain that he would have tried to stall for more time so that he could power up and transform rather than trying to win by lying to Trunks and trying to kill him with his own sword.
First of all freiza transforming isn't an ability it's their base that is their final form and freiza made those 1 , 2nd form to weaken himself so he wouldn't destroy something accidentally as freiza race didn't know ki control or suppression so king cold ability to transform should be here or what so called returning to his full power
We really don’t know enough about King Cold to assume that Frieza’s base form is the exact same as King Cold’s. For all we know, King Cold might have chosen the appearance of Frieza’s 2nd Transformation to be his final form. I only say that because it is suggested by Frieza that Frost Demons have quite a wide range of control over what their transformations look like. Because if I remember correctly, Frieza states that he “made” his Golden Frieza form “gold” as to mock Goku’s Super Saiyan form. It’s possible that King Cold is doing something similar with his own final form in order to express his own superiority to his subjects. Essentially, Frieza’s suppressed forms might not be the same as his father’s because of their abilities to grow different armor and change appearances.
@@SupercharizardEx I mean, it's an assumption that King Cold even *has* transformations. As you and the previous user said, Frieza's transformations were custom made to serve as power limiters, because he had difficulty controlling his power otherwise. Golden Frieza is the first time he's actually pushed that shapeshifting ability for the purpose of growth rather than suppression. King Cold might never have had that problem in the first place. Everything about the guy is a question mark.
I am pretty certain that Frieza stated that his final form is actually his base form and the other forms were suppressions because his power was too much to control, wouldn't that mean that King Cold had the same base form and what we saw could have been a suppressed form? This is based off of the anime though, I am not sure if the Manga stated differently
Yes, Frieza's "final" form is his true form, and his transformations were created to help limit and stabilize his power. Since Cooler isn't canon and thus not usable in a debate, this means all we know is what we see Frieza do. We don't know if King Cold even has transformations, and if he does, which one he's using. His purpose was to double the threat (so Trunks could raise the bar by one shotting them both anyway). He was little more than "another Frieza." He was a measuring stick, same as Dabura.
No. Frieza in his base form is the only one who can look like that since he is the prodigy of their race. Cooler isn't canon and his 2nd form that looks like King Cold was suppressing Frieza's power. That means that 2nd form Frieza is relative to King Cold's max power.
We know 2nd form Frieza curb stomped everyone except raged Gohan, Piccolo/Niel, and Vegeta after a million zenkai boosts so King Cold was still more powerful than most beings in the universe. Just not the .001% Z fighters
Ginyu Cold in Multiverse was a monster
My own head canon regarding Mecha Frieza:
This rebuilt version of Frieza is a being capable of reaching levels of power even higher than his purely organic form. Pre-Mecha Frieza's max was 120,000,000 which could only be accessed by achieving his bulky 100% transformation.
With the upgrades (that look like scrapyard parts) made to Frieza's body, I figured that he could access his 100% power without the need of going into his bulky form. Basically, Frieza didn't need to transform to use his full powerful unlike his purely organic body. The doctors/scientists said the enhancements would help Frieza reestablish himself as the most powerful being in the universe. So, we could estimate Mecha Frieza being at least 150,000,000+ in power.
As for King Cold, there's so much we don't know about Frieza's race. Perhaps he saw the potential in his son and figured he'd retire due to the knack Frieza had for power. As the years pass, maybe this race can't access the same levels of power that they could in their younger years. Maybe Frieza simply surpassed his father's power at a young age the same way Vegeta did to his father. Simply put, even transformed beyond his current state; King Cold wouldn't be that much more powerful due to old age, stamina, etc.
Again, this is just theories/speculation not facts...
I think King Cold could be that level, certainly, but that Frieza might also not be fully grown by the time he dies, and because he was the inheritance of King Cold's empire even if Cold was in the shadows as stronger, it might be safe to say that Frieza even further maturing could have naturally exceeded Cold's maximum if he was given the chance. I think Frieza had more potential, but Cold was the stronger one due to sheer age.
frieza mentions that he wanted to use the dragon balls to make himself taller so people think he is still growing in the broly movie so frieza was fully grown by that time
@@Drugs_Potato i wanted it to be freeza wishing to be X amount taller, so he could fight goku more effectively, i like the idea of goku being caught off guard by freeza having slightly longer reach in the fight.
I always had it in the back of my mind as well that instead of Resurrection F, it should've been Revival of Cold. That would've made things more interesting, but considering if he inherited the status of "King, "... Who's to say that in the afterlife he's planning something like taking over Hell or the demon realm (which should be vacant in U7 being that Dabura is gone & his soul was purified in the anime if we take that into consideration). Cold strikes me as the guy who does deals with different entities - i mean just look at him warning Frieza of Majin Buu & Beerus; even in death trying to negotiate with Future Trunks. He had to have negotiated with Beerus on something that the story is not going in depth about. Frieza is like the rich kid who plays anywhere he wants & takes anything from other kids, but Cold is the parent who happens to own banks that run through most houses in that entire city; so nobody can say nothing.
So my understanding was that final form Frieza is closer to being his 'actual' form. 1st, 2nd and 3rd forms are actually suppressing forms used to control his power, essentially reverse transformations. He struggles to contain his own power which we see when he is initially able to match SS goku only to rapidly fall apart.
My head cannon based on this is that King Cold could hypothetically transform beyond his initial form we see in the series, but doing so would cause his own power to overwhelm him (similar to how messing up the Kaioken is suppose to kill the user). Essentially, Frieza's ability to utilise his full potential is either a case of him surpassing his father's level in chi control, or only possible due to him having less power to control at 100%
What do you mean closer to being his actual form? It's stated in the manga and anime that Frieza's final form is his natural form, with the first three just being suppressed forms.
Saying that mecha Freeza is 60 million - very wrong. In canon Freeza stated that new body is perfect for his strength, so it is equal to 100 percent Freeza - 150 millions.
Tho I am starting to like the idea of cold transforming, I always felt like he was in his final form it just looks like Frieza's second form. From looking at Cooler it seems they get taller as they age and Cold's skin does not have the binding pink skin like his tail as. Just seems like Cold is in his final form, I remember an old guide saying that from back when dbz came out but idk.
Yeah, pretty sure Cold is in his final form and that thing on his head which looks like Frieza's second form is basically just his "crown".
They dont get taller as they age we know that since frieza wanted the d balls to make himself taller
Need more King Cold for sure!
Even more interesting enough is that Frieza is incredibly paranoid about his height and can literally change to his second form at any time however, because of what happened to his father, he's entirelly paranoid about ever going back to any of those forms again.
King Cold 50% ~ Super Perfect Cell
King Cold 3rd form = Frieza 100% (With the speed of someone with 90 Million)
After the Cell Saga I looked at King Cold differently. At first, I figured that was as far as he could go and both his sons were more powerful, which is why he was letting them take over.
After the Cell Saga, specifically where Goku and Gohan spend time in SSJ to get use to the form... it made me wonder if that is why he stays in that form. He's spent time staying in that form to get use to the form and its power. I assume each of their transformations are similar to SSJ, big increase in power, but a lot of strain/drain on them.
I honestly think king cold is actually in his 1st form but due to his age, he grew taller. Imagine his size in his 2nd form, I am guessing its like buff roshi then. Just my head canon though.
Still freiza ain't got height genetics😢
@@ohhellwhereami2574: That, or Frieza is still a baby.
If King Cold transformed as a cliffhanger it would be like Trunks SSJ 2 against Perfect Cell.
Cold day in Hifl. King Enema comes to berus for help, as cold threatens to destroy the other realm barrier and return to the mortal realm
I dont think King Cold had other forms. (Correction he might have a base form and trained for the second form to be more imposing) He was more into the king role than the fighter role. An anime recently came out that hits pretty accurately on picking between ruling and studying the blade. Simply put, he didn't have time to train so he was weak.
You see, that almost makes sense.
But Frieza also had never trained. He was born with that level of power.
I would think that Frieza would've trained out of his fear of the Super Sayian, once he got to his final form he didn't feel like he could be really beaten, so he didn't feel the need to train after that like he did when he became golden, and then he went ahead and destroyed Planet Vegeta to ensure he didn't emerge.
@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 Frieza is a prodigy and a mutant lol
Freeza's forms worked backward in the sense that they made him weaker instead of stronger with his final form being his true form (base)
Because of that, I think Cold is always in his base and it's not restraining his power
@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 Freeza final form it's his base
What if King Cold was revived instead of Freezer.
You should write it! That sounds wayyyyy badass!!!!
I do personally think King Colds base form just resembles Frieza's 2nd form and he's always in it, but I do still like the theory that he was just in his 2nd form
I once read somewhere that King Cold does have a Final Form and at Max Power, he can go toe to toe with Kid Buu.
I know Dragon Ball Multiverse interprets King Cold's final form to be at Semi-Perfect Cell's level. I suppose that's not impossible, I would say he'd be at least android level.
I think android level sounds the fairest. But I'm just a Toriyama icecube so idk.
I think it's more like this:
Final Form: around #16
Augmented Form (like Coola): around or close to Semi-Perfect Cell
2nd Augmented Form: close to Perfect Cell
This was thanks to Ginyu training his body.
@@williamleblanc2623 100% Final Form Cold was stated to be around Semi Perfect Cell's level (by either Piccolo or Vegeta) . And that was while Ginyu was still trying to keep the rouse that he was Cold, so it's likely he was trying to maintain a power level that Cold could achieve.
it isn´t impossible for goku to kill cold in his final form without anyone dying even if cold in his final form has the same power level as semi perfect cell and future bulma not having doubts that goku would kill the androids proves that
@@Bean-vu6gp I mean, maybe with the Spirit Bomb. Did you have anything in particular in mind?
Seeing King Cold at 100% full power would have been awesome.
We literally saw King Cold at 100% power.
King Cold was a weakling compared to his son.
@@seraphinaaizen6278yes, if we are using that logic of yours, then freeza 100% cant even outmatch piccolo,
and gets destroyed by BASE Goku after the zenkai, you aré very smart mi dear 👍
Epic video as always and thank you for making it ❤️👍
Due to Frieza being the ultimate big bad, I always assumed that King Cold was in his final form or perhaps had one more but ultimately lacked Friza's final form.
Great what if although I’m just super grateful he’s playable in bt3 it’s the only game that lets you play as him and it feels badass and awesome would recommend to anyone who loves dbz games for King cold it’s always that either his second form is his final form or he hasn’t transformed yet which is confusing since he should’ve transformed against trunks but what can you do
Its probably the former
Amagine if that isnt even his second form, thats his first
Monkee nightmares ensue
I'm just happy you're making videos like this again
Frieza : “it’s just a flesh wound”
Goku: “your arms off”
If he could solo DBZ, then why didn't he transform.
Arrogance, not believing that Trunks could truly be the super saiyan and that it's his sword that's giving Trunks the power
trunks don't let situations get worse, he doesn't goku/vegeta his enemies. he squashes immediately.
Monkee needs transformations to be relevant 🤟
I hope the 10 year training Freeza did was with his dad. And they learned to fuse. Since he said I’m the Broly movie “it’s 2 against 1”. That would so awesome. Both black transformations and then fuse. Fan fun all day.
Daizenshuu 7 states in King Cold's bio that he is "slightly behind" Frieza in terms of battle power
No, there is no way King Cold could have beaten trunks. It is confirmed in the canon guide Daizenshuu that Frieza is much more powerful then King Cold and Frieza was in his "final form" when he got wrecked by Trunks. Even in his final form King Cold is weaker then Frieza
it would be nice getting a movie like DBS Broly which further explores the Frieza race and shows King Cold returning. Killing him off was a big waste and the fact that Cold can still be resurrected leaves a lot of potential to work with here
"Wait you dirty little Saiyan! I still have several forms above this!"
The way I see it based on comments that iirc Frieza said about his transformations is that what we generally call second form is actually base form or first form. What we call first form, is more like form zero. I remember Frieza mentioning something about creating the original form we saw him in on purpose. This suggests form two is his natural state. Now, that could lead one to consider the possibility that Frieza also created form three, and final form from scratch. And this would suggest that King Cold may not have done the same, and may not have the ability to transform at all. Unless of course, final form is actually base form and the Frieza race created two and three to hide their true appearance and power as Frieza did by creating form one (or form zero). Correct me if I'm wrong though, but I do recall this being mentioned by Frieza. Xenoverse seems to assume that final form is base form, since all the Frieza race characters appear to be in final form, and Frost in DBS is also always in final form. In the Cooler movie, Cooler is in final form from the start, and then went to a form five. Something Frieza could not do, and never does. It could be either honestly, but I find it unlikely that if Cold could transform that he wouldn't do so to prepare for a fight that got Frieza destroyed in his own final form.
King Cold was probably in his only form. Remember Freeza was a prodigy and also created forms to suppress his powers. It could of been possibly but I'd say unlikely, seeing he knew about the super Saiyans.
@Saiyan Scholar --- What if that wasn't Cold's 2nd form... but was only his 1st form?
And what if Cold had a 5th form like Cooler?
Frieza’s definitely stronger than his dad, and at the time of his introduction, Cooler was stronger than Frieza.
The manga itself never really takes a stance on the Frieza vs Cold debate. When the heroes feel their ki, they’re just described as being stronger than anyone else on Earth at the time, though Frieza does refer to himself as the strongest in the Universe a couple times and King Cold never contradicts him, so make of that what you will.
The anime does add a bit of dialogue about the second, non-Frieza ki being even bigger than Frieza’s, but that’s undercut when Gohan says that what they’re sensing right now is just the tip of the iceberg, and that Frieza can get way stronger.
It’s when we start diving into databooks and author interviews that we start getting a clearer picture. King Cold’s character biography in Daizenshuu 7 says “Though he’s the head of the strongest family in the universe, he is somewhat inferior to Frieza.” It was also stated in an interview leading up to Resurrection ‘F’ that “[Frieza’s] whole family is strong, but he alone is especially strong.”
Mind you, there’s been a lot of speculation about whether or not Cold could transform, and while I tend to assume that he could, I would still say that at full power, he probably wouldn’t quite match up to Frieza’s maximum. Of course, this chain of thought primarily relates to Frieza as he appeared in the manga and the Dragon Ball Z TV series. If we’re taking Resurrection ‘F’ and Dragon Ball Super into account, there is no debate. He’s so much stronger than his dad that it isn’t funny.
Likewise, Cooler was introduced to essentially be a more powerful version of Frieza. He had an extra strong advanced form that Frieza couldn’t pull off, and when he reappeared as an army of robots, he was more than a match Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta combined. And though Frieza has shot up past him, Cold still trails behind his sons.
Source:
Movie Guide | Dragon Ball Z Movie 05
Movie Guide | Dragon Ball Z Movie 06
Daizenshuu 7: Character Dictionary
Kanzenshuu | Translations | Double Dragon Talk 2!!! (Naho Ooishi x Toyotarō)
If he does then it shows how level headed Trunks is, not letting his rivals have the chance to get to full power
they should've made king cold some type of spin off movie like they did with cooler.
Someone should make a fan made version !! This could be a huge thing everyone wants to see. I agree with u King cold got killed to easy.
That's why they needed Trunks.
Trunks knew absolutely how Saiyan battle lust could impair fighting choices.... Seeing how his future was trashed he was not taking any chances so yeah makes sense he'd ellimate threats quickly.
I think people forget that when Goku went SSJ on Namek he had already been worn out after fighting for a long time, while ontop of using Kaio Ken during the fight, which is why I think Goku would be stronger than Trunks at this point of the story.
Freeza was also worn down from the Genki Dama and blows at 50% from SS. He had also been fighting longer than anybody.
I remember reading somewhere that King Cold "CAN" transform, but not like how Frieza does it. The difference is that when Frieza does it, it's not a transformation because it just him unlocking a lock he put on to his power. While for King Cold, his transformations would actually be transforming like Cooler and Goku (not his base form). Frieza's base form is his 100% form while King Cold's base form is the one we get to see (which i guess you can say is 2nd form frieza) and base form cooler is also the same as 100% frieza. That is why Frieza can't be knocked out of his 100% form and can stay in that form forever but not his Golden form because golden form is actually a transformation for him now.
I also read somewhere that If King Cold did have a transformation, it would've just been 1 transformation above his base form like cooler, not something like Frieza's multi transformation. And if King Cold can transform, it would've looked and acted different from Frieza's transformations also. So say in the timeline that Trunks didn't come and Goku had to fight, maybe King Cold did transform, but it didn't give him a Super big lead for him to win, kind of like how (bad example) Cooler's transformation didnt make him win against Goku. The fight would've been a bit longer but Goku probably woud've won with an Instant Kamehameha or something.
Future Trunks being the only DBZ character to kill the big bad guys before they get to transform further goes as another reason why he's the GOAT character
Imagine how powerful a King Cold sixth form black would be...
Dammit they could have done this and had some actual lore for their kind revealed for once.
I still crave some backstory about frieza n his clan.
"Says Freezs is weaker" yet immediately shows Freezs directly stating that he's more powerful.
Me just casually waiting for Cooler to become canon 🥲
Ikr he was one of my fav of the movie villains. Even more than Broly. I always wanted to know what "Metal Super Saiyans" were supposed to look like as well. What a disappointment we didn't get to see that!
I had to pull out my calculator for this video
New anime idea: King Cold comes back and is reforming the galactic crime epire while Frieza and the gang are trying to stop him. Add some plot twists, some trickery etc... Much better than just another enemy fighter who is somehow stronger than everyone else before being the main focus.
I agree if King Cold went in his final form he most likely would've easy killed Ssj Trunk, and Goku without even going into 100% form or even using 50% of his power.
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Anyone saying King Cold couldn't transform, King Cold was arrogant, also the original plan was for King Cold to be the big bad, not Cell, but the studio saw it to similar to Freiza, and so it was scrapped and we got androids instead. IE, he can transform, and if he had, he'd have easily wiped the floor with everyone, his Final Form would be somewhere around SSj3 level in Buu Saga, but again the idea was scrapped in favor of the androids.
King Cold was never intended to be the main villain, of any DB story arc that is a lie. Toriyama wanted 19 and 20 to be the main villains, but his editorial team rejected them.
@Saiyan Scholar I agree that King cold was a missed opportunity. whole Frost Demon Empire is a missed opportunity. Whole Android Saga could be more interesting, if Z fighters were off world fighting The Empire, by simply dr Gero seizing the opportunity to develop his weapons and make a coup on Earth. Now imagine a cataclysmic battle between 5th form King Cold and Perfect Cell, while Colds chief sorcerer Babidy goes rogue and releases Buu. Cell and Cold join sides as they discover the monster that Buu is, now Z fighters arrive after training with Kaioshins and the unlikely alliance begins as Buu rampages consuming every form of life, eventually matching up to Cell, Cold, Goku, Vegeta, FTrunks and Gohan. Buu eventually absorbs Cell and Cold, now it's up to Vegitto(permanent pottara) and Ftruhan (dance) fusions to fight Ultra Buu. Buus rampage breakes fabric of reality letting Makaioshins, Majins and Shadow Dragons in. Finally Beerus arrives and hakais Ultra Buu, but says that Shadow Dragons made a wish, where Beerus or Whis cannot find see them, or something, so Vegitto and Z Fighters need to find hunt them down. Mecha Freeza and Cooler are defeated but not killed as they save each others backs and run for now.
would be a good story... But if anyone wants to explore this idea, id want Saiyan Scholar to explore this idea alone.
I feel like I got the impression somewhere that Frieza was exceptional.
A prodigy of some kind not just a member of an elite species or family.
My head canon is that Cold handed over the Cold Force to Frieza, because Frieza was the culmination of the mutation that made his clan the strongest. Frieza would have eventually arisen and taken King Cold's empire, and Cold knew this, thus 'retiring' before any loyalty or affection Frieza might have had wore off.
Completely fits with how willing Cold was to just let Trunks replace Frieza. Dude knew his place in the pecking order.
What stunted king cold was the fact that when he was transforming form form 2 into form 3 and something he he got stunted which is why he he let frezzer(frieza) take control of his forces cause he could make to stage 3
I think Toriyama didn't have any of this in mind when he made the chapter, he was just going along with his tradition of presenting a small and a huge enemy side by side.
Yeah Nappa and Vegeta, Burter and Jeice. But 17 and 18 and 19 and 20 were all roughly same height. Aside from 16.
@@e.m.ldonahue5605 even Kaiohshin and Kibito, though not enemies, first appeared with an ominous attitude
Frieza's 1% comment was him telling Goku that he's only using 1% of his final form's full power, not his overall power.
I think King Cold as we saw him was already in his final form. Otherwise, Frieza at 100% power would not even be a smidget of his father. Why would Cold's offspring be that much weaker than him? Also, just because he looks like Frieza in his 2nd form doesn't mean it was his 2nd form. Cooler's forms also look much different than Frieza's, so King Cold's outward appearance might also have different logic than Frieza's.
You have to understand that future Trunks don’t play around ! Straight to business! I get you that king cole would have been a great adversary.
This video made me think that it would be very cool if Dragon Ball Movies told "what if" stories, like a movie about the original timeline where Trunks never appeared to kill Freeza and King Cold.
Trunks is the biggest bad ass. Gets in, gets the job done. No messing about.
King Cold should have been the main villain in the Resurrection F movie. It would have been a lot cooler seeing King Cold's final form match Super Saiyan Blue. It would be really show the type of threat Trunks prevented in the Android Saga. After all, King Cold wasn't afraid of Trunks even after he killed Freeza.
Man, just imagining King Cold increasing like 120 fold is insane.
Omg I remember watching the VHS. I was thinking the same thing. You answered it 🤣