@@icedglizzyhonestly Bates and the crew had some good takes this time. I'm listening right now and he literally just bashed NA pros for relaxing once they get a qualification spot.
There is literally no argument to be made anywhere to have G2 above GenG. Comparing the rosters last split (when 2/3rds of both were the same), and the players from across the entire season there is a huge gulf between them. G2 might finally click and go on to do well, but to have them ahead of GenG is ludicrous.
They won a regional last season as well to be fair, nobody is doubting they can do that - it's their consistency being called into question. And let's face it, they had the mickiest of runs to achieve it, other than the final itself. Regardless, good for them. Doesn't change anything that was said here though.
looking back on this, everything Daz said anything about GenG could be said about G2... major winner, world finals runner up, offensive prowess... turned into a G2 sweep
For tbates sake... Rado is actually the draymond. (Not great stats wise, but the team needs him as the "Glue") I think Rise/Atow is actually the Chris bosh. (Not the same as draymond. Has the 3rd role but still is considered a star.) Thoughts??
To that question daz asked, I think he’s right mena definitely got the best benefits from the change, I think you can throw ssa in there too, but the league as a whole has taken a HUGE deficit due to the fact that there less teams at majors, and NO WILDCARD! That is ridiculous to me. Wildcard is essential in storylines in leagues like this. And I think everyone can agree, we all wanted more teams at majors.
no wildcard also makes worlds exactly the same as a major aside from prize pool and prestige, its one of if not the worst thing they could have changed
I’ve always said majors should have way more teams (like 24+) so its more like all the regions are coming together in big brawl for spots in the more exclusive and prestigious worlds (plus this just lets more teams get international exposure and grow the whole scene faster). The new format feels more like they just kept the 3 majors and removed worlds and dumped its prize money onto the 3rd major. If the game and esport was managed/promoted better over the last few years then it would probably be more feasible during the current downward trend of esports in general but as long as it doesn’t get any worse than this the esport should survive for awhile
@@sakamataRL yea it’s sad really RLCS could be the biggest esport in the world and watched by people who don’t even play video games since it’s easy to understand but epic is killing it
@@sakamataRL yeah I hear a lot of people say we couldn’t have foreseen the decline of esports but as soon as espn completely tanked and removed their esports division in 2021, it was obvious there was a growing agenda to rid esports from major outlets and numbers in overall viewership of tier 1s were starting to decline. Now numbers don’t lie, every year rlcs worlds has grown to a bigger audience by about 50-100k. With that said, I believe this season would’ve been the MOST important season to, not only improve the format, but go all in on grand esports events, selective promo, game improvement, collaboration from big names like they do with Fortnite, basically trying to cement rocket league as a tier 1 esport. There’s so much money so idk why epic wouldn’t do that. Now, I just don’t think it’s going to happen. Sure, it’ll survive for a while i mean look at us rn, still talking and watching. But how long will that last ya know.
@thomascarson4677 literally my dream. I want them to do well at the 1st Major but if they don't I could actually see the Joyo move happening in the transfer window
Rado is really good, you can’t put atow that much higher than him. He proved it, he was as helpful as alpha since zen joined. But I think vitality and kcorp will be close, at least I hope so. Rise and vatira should still have that chemistry and atow is just a more aggressive joyo. Its will be like a boosted OG moist team and they could have stayed together and done beautiful things. The fairy peak coach is the biggest factor here since we haven’t seen him do it before and ferra already had experience through the spring split in 2021-2022 season and the whole of the 2022-2023 season
I was nodding along until I got to number 5, but then it just got stupid. Rw9 at #5? For a single top 4 finish at a major, having failed to qualify for the first 2 majors and crashing out at Worlds in embarrassing fashion? FK at #6 - who dropped off so completely after choking in the Winter major final he didn't even qualify for Spring and went out at Worlds without a single win? Daniel at #7 is possibly the most ridiculous of all. The guy qualified for 1 LAN out of 5 and didn't even make it through Swiss stage for it. What on Earth has he done to be rated so highly? The fact that his former teammates all excelled without him speaks wonders. He shouldn't be anywhere near a top 30 list, let alone a top 10. Killeerz at #8 is also crazy, you are insanely overrating what Rule One did last season. Take a bow son, this is somehow even worse than Shift and FT lists.
@@RyanMbeng Shift said g8 was not included as their ranking was only for 3s events, FT have their own criteria but as g8 has no relevance at all on RLCS 3s it shouldn't be a factor for them either.
Why is that so bad? Guy literally won every event from the spring split to worlds. And it’s not like he was bad without zen, him and alpha got top 8 at major with vitality so I don’t understand why he’s so underrated
@@lyric1062lol come on bro, top 8 at major? Top 8 is 24 players, and they didn't even make the previous major. Rado is good, but he's absolutely outside of the top 5, adding an all time great prodigy, with the highest peak the esport has ever seen, does not instantly jump you 10-15 spots. Before Zen Rado was like maybe top 20
Alpha54 and Ferra have both stated that the MVP of worlds should've been Radosin. He was responsible for most of their goals, and was the 'rock' of their team the entire event. Do what you want with that information.
@@Tobbywar Facts, he creates so much space for Zen and Alpha to pop off! and not only that after he creates space he is right there in case the first attack doesn't go perfect to get a second setup for the 3rd man. He is always moving and supporting. its incredible selfless play... and the man still gets filthy goals.
The Shift list was insane for a lot of different reasons, Rise should have been top 5, FK was too low, Reysbull was ridiculously high - he wasn't even the best player in his team let alone the best player in NA, Zen despite not being eligible for 2/3rds of the season did more in his final split then any other player managed throughout the entire season so should have been #1... that said, there is easily a claim for Radosin to be top 5. I'd personally have him a bit lower, but I can see the argument for top 5 and don't strongly disagree with it.
nah, zen has only played one split, in terms of that he was 100% undoubtedly but that was only for like 3 months, since the beginning of 2023 Vatira has been at the top every single time and been consistent for 12 months, not 3 like zen
@@regansimpson3196he won them all xD. this is not even an argument. He changed the game bro, there is pre zen and post zen rocket league. It didn't even feel like the same season, because it wasn't. You can't act like winning worlds isn't a factor... the only reason someone would think he wasn't last seasons n1 is if you have something against the guy
For vitality to continue their domination they have to win literally everything. Thats just impossible… no way they can win 9 in a row (making it 14 in a row)
How so? GenG have the best 2 players in NA from last season, their roster has 11 LAN appearances out of a potential 12, 2x LAN winners, 7 regional wins between them, 1 LAN MVP, 1 NA MVP (although Jack should have won it), GenG were the best team in NA last season by a country mile. G2 had 5 LAN appearances between them and 3 of those were from Atomic. 2 regional wins between them. V1 were the first team to win a regional and then fail to qualify for the major (and subsequently Worlds). I'm not saying G2 won't do better this season, but on paper the GenG roster is significantly better than G2, it's not even close.
@@Chris_Topher89 lmao agreed. To be fair, they've always had high highs and low lows. They destroyed GenG but they also shat themselves against snowmen and almost lost that series. The take was not crazy but it certainly aged poorly. I watched that series this morning and was like -_-
People are going to hate this take but I would have picked anyone off the OG roster over Chronic for the new Gen G. I think Appjack Firstkiller duo has incredible potential but not without a seasoned support player. Don't get me wrong, Chronic is great but I rate him like a Cheese or Frosty, and I wouldn't count on such a young player being the glue. Appjack is going to have to take a step back to make this roster work and that might be a bad idea. As it stands I don't see the OG roster doing much, which is a real shame because I think all 3 players would be qualifying for major slots if they weren't together. I just don't see 3 support roles winning RLCS games against the big dogs. Who is the striker? Jknaps? I think there's a huge potential for both Gen G and G2 to miss the major, I almost feel more confident picking teams like luminosity, ssg, shopify and m80 to make it happen. Everybodys sleeping on SSG and I don't really think this Dignitas roster is all that impressive when push comes to shove. NA is going to be super interesting this split.
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These guys know how to get a guy hyped for a qualifier lol. Looking forward to seeing who will be top dog in NA this weekend
We going to the insane asylum with these takes 🔥💀
Basically every episode with Tbates.
@@icedglizzyhonestly Bates and the crew had some good takes this time. I'm listening right now and he literally just bashed NA pros for relaxing once they get a qualification spot.
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Then he would say G2 is better than Vitality or something like that.
@@icedglizzy yeah I don't remember that but he did say Zen can't compete against the Dan/Beastmode combo, which was interesting I admit
23:26 daz got me laughing during this passionate argument 😂
He exploded 💥
You guys are entertaining. Keep it up
“THIER AT THE 1 SEED” “THE 1 SEED” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Roll Dizz Rolled a fat blunt before the podcast.
Beast mode and Daniel are the kings of “on paper” champs. Until it actually happens how can you pick them over GenG?
Facts. Daniel fans are crazy devoted though, good luck with this comment 🙈
There is literally no argument to be made anywhere to have G2 above GenG. Comparing the rosters last split (when 2/3rds of both were the same), and the players from across the entire season there is a huge gulf between them.
G2 might finally click and go on to do well, but to have them ahead of GenG is ludicrous.
No longer "on paper" Champs lol
They finally beat the allegations 😭
They won a regional last season as well to be fair, nobody is doubting they can do that - it's their consistency being called into question. And let's face it, they had the mickiest of runs to achieve it, other than the final itself. Regardless, good for them. Doesn't change anything that was said here though.
Lmao I wish I could see Daz and tbates' reactions when g2 beat gen.g
After seeing FT's team list.... shifts list doesn't sound that bad lol
As Satthew's father I am a big fan of TBates
Production goes crazy
Bro, this is insane. The takes are insane. Are we watching the same esport.
looking back on this, everything Daz said anything about GenG could be said about G2... major winner, world finals runner up, offensive prowess... turned into a G2 sweep
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
For tbates sake... Rado is actually the draymond. (Not great stats wise, but the team needs him as the "Glue") I think Rise/Atow is actually the Chris bosh. (Not the same as draymond. Has the 3rd role but still is considered a star.) Thoughts??
To that question daz asked, I think he’s right mena definitely got the best benefits from the change, I think you can throw ssa in there too, but the league as a whole has taken a HUGE deficit due to the fact that there less teams at majors, and NO WILDCARD! That is ridiculous to me. Wildcard is essential in storylines in leagues like this. And I think everyone can agree, we all wanted more teams at majors.
no wildcard also makes worlds exactly the same as a major aside from prize pool and prestige, its one of if not the worst thing they could have changed
I’ve always said majors should have way more teams (like 24+) so its more like all the regions are coming together in big brawl for spots in the more exclusive and prestigious worlds (plus this just lets more teams get international exposure and grow the whole scene faster). The new format feels more like they just kept the 3 majors and removed worlds and dumped its prize money onto the 3rd major. If the game and esport was managed/promoted better over the last few years then it would probably be more feasible during the current downward trend of esports in general but as long as it doesn’t get any worse than this the esport should survive for awhile
@@sakamataRL yea it’s sad really RLCS could be the biggest esport in the world and watched by people who don’t even play video games since it’s easy to understand but epic is killing it
@@thund3r94 definitely
@@sakamataRL yeah I hear a lot of people say we couldn’t have foreseen the decline of esports but as soon as espn completely tanked and removed their esports division in 2021, it was obvious there was a growing agenda to rid esports from major outlets and numbers in overall viewership of tier 1s were starting to decline. Now numbers don’t lie, every year rlcs worlds has grown to a bigger audience by about 50-100k. With that said, I believe this season would’ve been the MOST important season to, not only improve the format, but go all in on grand esports events, selective promo, game improvement, collaboration from big names like they do with Fortnite, basically trying to cement rocket league as a tier 1 esport. There’s so much money so idk why epic wouldn’t do that. Now, I just don’t think it’s going to happen. Sure, it’ll survive for a while i mean look at us rn, still talking and watching. But how long will that last ya know.
Its about time
The boys are 2/3 back together! Let's go Mois.... I mean KC!
If atow throws I could see them easily getting joyo ngl
@thomascarson4677 literally my dream. I want them to do well at the 1st Major but if they don't I could actually see the Joyo move happening in the transfer window
You mean Queso!?
Atow is great but so is Joyo. They might as well bring him in for the fans.
if you think rise or vatira will bring in joyo cause of the fans youre stupid@@warlock_r
Finally!!!!!!
Rado is really good, you can’t put atow that much higher than him. He proved it, he was as helpful as alpha since zen joined. But I think vitality and kcorp will be close, at least I hope so. Rise and vatira should still have that chemistry and atow is just a more aggressive joyo. Its will be like a boosted OG moist team and they could have stayed together and done beautiful things. The fairy peak coach is the biggest factor here since we haven’t seen him do it before and ferra already had experience through the spring split in 2021-2022 season and the whole of the 2022-2023 season
They def mixed up New Falcons and New Rule One right?
Top 10 players. 1st zen. 2nd vatira. 3rd Rise. 4th Alpha. 5th Rw9. 6th Firstkiller. 7th Daniel. 8th killeerz. 9th appjack. 10th Monkeymoon
agreed
I was nodding along until I got to number 5, but then it just got stupid.
Rw9 at #5? For a single top 4 finish at a major, having failed to qualify for the first 2 majors and crashing out at Worlds in embarrassing fashion?
FK at #6 - who dropped off so completely after choking in the Winter major final he didn't even qualify for Spring and went out at Worlds without a single win?
Daniel at #7 is possibly the most ridiculous of all. The guy qualified for 1 LAN out of 5 and didn't even make it through Swiss stage for it. What on Earth has he done to be rated so highly? The fact that his former teammates all excelled without him speaks wonders. He shouldn't be anywhere near a top 30 list, let alone a top 10.
Killeerz at #8 is also crazy, you are insanely overrating what Rule One did last season.
Take a bow son, this is somehow even worse than Shift and FT lists.
Are we taking gamers8 in to account cus rule 1 did get top 2 in that tourney?
@@RyanMbeng Shift said g8 was not included as their ranking was only for 3s events, FT have their own criteria but as g8 has no relevance at all on RLCS 3s it shouldn't be a factor for them either.
MM at 10 is crazy disrespect
WE ARE BACK! YES!!!
Radosin has been great but there’s just no possible way anyone can claim he was a top 5 player last year
Just an insane list from Shift 😂
Why is that so bad? Guy literally won every event from the spring split to worlds. And it’s not like he was bad without zen, him and alpha got top 8 at major with vitality so I don’t understand why he’s so underrated
@@lyric1062lol come on bro, top 8 at major? Top 8 is 24 players, and they didn't even make the previous major. Rado is good, but he's absolutely outside of the top 5, adding an all time great prodigy, with the highest peak the esport has ever seen, does not instantly jump you 10-15 spots. Before Zen Rado was like maybe top 20
Alpha54 and Ferra have both stated that the MVP of worlds should've been Radosin. He was responsible for most of their goals, and was the 'rock' of their team the entire event. Do what you want with that information.
@@Tobbywar Facts, he creates so much space for Zen and Alpha to pop off! and not only that after he creates space he is right there in case the first attack doesn't go perfect to get a second setup for the 3rd man. He is always moving and supporting. its incredible selfless play... and the man still gets filthy goals.
The Shift list was insane for a lot of different reasons, Rise should have been top 5, FK was too low, Reysbull was ridiculously high - he wasn't even the best player in his team let alone the best player in NA, Zen despite not being eligible for 2/3rds of the season did more in his final split then any other player managed throughout the entire season so should have been #1... that said, there is easily a claim for Radosin to be top 5. I'd personally have him a bit lower, but I can see the argument for top 5 and don't strongly disagree with it.
WE BACK BABY LETS FKN GOOO 🔥
I'm very surprised that they didn't even mention Moist for the FT top 10.
LFG
Roll dizz looks so fried off rip💀
Considering shifts list is for 2023 the fact that zen isn’t number 1 is embarrassing. By far the best player of 2023 and it’s not close
nah, zen has only played one split, in terms of that he was 100% undoubtedly but that was only for like 3 months, since the beginning of 2023 Vatira has been at the top every single time and been consistent for 12 months, not 3 like zen
Nass and frosty about to shut yall up
Zen on third is perfectly fair
Agreed didnt even play in 6 regionals, 2 majors
It’s the calendar year though so it doesn’t count the fall split. Having zen at 3 is embarrassing, he’s easily number one in 2023 and it’s not close
If you dont have vati #1 your wrong
@@regansimpson3196he won them all xD. this is not even an argument. He changed the game bro, there is pre zen and post zen rocket league. It didn't even feel like the same season, because it wasn't. You can't act like winning worlds isn't a factor... the only reason someone would think he wasn't last seasons n1 is if you have something against the guy
@@regansimpson3196 zen won more regionals while missing an entire split and won 2 lans as the best player on the team. It’s not debatable
Y'all gotta change your youtube PFP. The all white is not readable.
For vitality to continue their domination they have to win literally everything. Thats just impossible… no way they can win 9 in a row (making it 14 in a row)
1:12:56 still stand dig made top4
Bates is nothing less than the fucking goat
WE DONT TOLERATE RADOSIN SLANDER
For the first time i'll agree with bates....G2 is the better team on paper!!!
How so? GenG have the best 2 players in NA from last season, their roster has 11 LAN appearances out of a potential 12, 2x LAN winners, 7 regional wins between them, 1 LAN MVP, 1 NA MVP (although Jack should have won it), GenG were the best team in NA last season by a country mile.
G2 had 5 LAN appearances between them and 3 of those were from Atomic. 2 regional wins between them. V1 were the first team to win a regional and then fail to qualify for the major (and subsequently Worlds). I'm not saying G2 won't do better this season, but on paper the GenG roster is significantly better than G2, it's not even close.
Top 4 Spring and worlds is EU. This is about winning, and placements. NA does not deserve any more spots
On paper G2 are amazing but they have Dan and BMode which basically guarantees an RLCS throw so I take GenG over them.
This take didn't age well 😬
@@Chris_Topher89 lmao agreed. To be fair, they've always had high highs and low lows. They destroyed GenG but they also shat themselves against snowmen and almost lost that series. The take was not crazy but it certainly aged poorly. I watched that series this morning and was like -_-
Well Well Well…
#BatesNeverListens
Wow that shift list is the worst list I’ve ever seen
I don't think Tbates knows what on paper means. On Paper Zen has 100% winrate in RLCS. On Paper they win everything.
People are going to hate this take but I would have picked anyone off the OG roster over Chronic for the new Gen G. I think Appjack Firstkiller duo has incredible potential but not without a seasoned support player. Don't get me wrong, Chronic is great but I rate him like a Cheese or Frosty, and I wouldn't count on such a young player being the glue. Appjack is going to have to take a step back to make this roster work and that might be a bad idea. As it stands I don't see the OG roster doing much, which is a real shame because I think all 3 players would be qualifying for major slots if they weren't together. I just don't see 3 support roles winning RLCS games against the big dogs. Who is the striker? Jknaps? I think there's a huge potential for both Gen G and G2 to miss the major, I almost feel more confident picking teams like luminosity, ssg, shopify and m80 to make it happen. Everybodys sleeping on SSG and I don't really think this Dignitas roster is all that impressive when push comes to shove. NA is going to be super interesting this split.
People still call Daniel the young prodigy? He is 17...
Bates has some god awful takes and some great takes, no inbetween.
The first time ive completely disagreed with Tbates Rado is equal or better than Atow he's definitely not way worse
He's great, but I don't think he's up there with Atow tbh
nah im sorry geng over g2 all day
wow that list is atrocious
what is with this killeerrz over rw9 propaganda thats been going on for 6 months
Im gonna say it.
G2 are overrated.