JFK - when that movie came out, there was a Kennedy-related zeitgeist that is hard to believe today. And the movie was hailed as some sort of victory against the state that it accuses of Kennedy's assassination. But now, looking back, it remains an entertaining movie but its investigative threads are pretty tenuous. Not to mention how fast and loose it plays with history
Yeah I never took its über-conspiracy theory seriously, but taken as a paranoia thriller/ fantasy/ nightmare or as an alternate history scenario I think it is somewhat of a masterpiece of filmmaking. The script and especially the editing are truly excellent, very much ahead of it’s time, very groundbreaking.
I like dated movies. They tend to tell you a lot about the time they were produced in. They are useful like an historical document. Never saw the Blindside. Old 1950's esque movie? Horrible Bosses was a terrible movie. Ted was a terrible movie. I don't think the problem is these movies aged poorly. The problem here , these movies are just terrible.
Exactly! Swing Time, from 1936, with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers, hasn't aged very well with Fred Astaire tap dancing in Black face... but it's still a great film..... and the part with him dancing in Black face tells you about the time in which the film was made, about the culture and the prejudices of that era.....
@@andrewtheworldcitizen The song that he was dancing to and singing was a tribute to Bill Robinson, a black man. How should he have done it, in a clown suit?
There aren't many movies that didn't age well for me, but revisiting some as an adult, I'm able to notice plot holes and issues that I didn't notice when I was younger, but it doesn't really ruin my enjoyment of them. Edit: After thinking about it a bit. Bio-Dome makes the list for me. I loved that movie as a young teen, but re-visiting it, it's just bad lol
Opposite point, I watched some Laurel and Hardy recently and they are not just better than I remember as a kid. They are the best comedy duo that will ever be! Their slapstick timing, performance and character mannerisms are just outstanding.
@@RichardCThurston Harold Lloyd and a few others of that era. True innovators when Hollywood was the creative powerhouse of film. Now only the odd gem in a very big ocean.
@@Theoverthinker81 The guitarist Bill Frisell composed and performed music for the Buster Keaton films Go West, One Week, and High Sign. Saw a live performance in the mid 1990's in Seattle and the recordings are available on Nonesuch and probably the videos are here on UA-cam.
@@Theoverthinker81 The guitarist Bill Frisell composed and performed music for the Keaton films The General, High Sign and One Week back in the mid 1990s. I was fortunate to see a performance live with the band and the films in Seattle. The music is available from Nonesuch and I imagine the videos are not difficult to find. Likely they are available here on UA-cam.
All of those early-to-mid 20th century physical comedians like Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd, Laurel and Hardy, the Marx Brothers, the Three Stooges, and Abbott & Costello are still so watchable and timeless.....
Whenever I see characters/filmmakers being unaware of paradigms that I'm aware of, I interpret those characters/filmmakers as being more innocent and operating under more innocent paradigms. Then, within that innocence, I can often still relate to their intentions (regarding love, justice, friendship, loneliness, etc.). I think people tend to use the "didn't age well" as a way to deal with what they perceive as a threat to their exact way of thinking, when in reality there is still much to feel connected to.
[00:00] 🎬 Discussing the aging of movies and how personal perspectives can influence their perception over time. [01:38] 🎞 Critique of "The Blind Side," highlighting discomfort with its portrayal and narrative structure. [03:53] 🌌 Commentary on the 2009 "Star Trek" reboot, noting its departure from traditional Star Trek themes. [05:11] 🚀 Critique of the subsequent Star Trek films, describing them as forgettable and lacking direction. [06:31] 😂 Evaluation of "Horrible Bosses," acknowledging its divisive humor and personal guilty pleasure. [08:03] 🐻 Critique of "Ted," citing its reliance on outdated pop culture references and perceived elitism in Seth MacFarlane's humor.
Lost in Translation is one of my all time favs. I’m always scared to rewatch in case their connection seems something other than plutonic (which is what’s so beautiful about the movie).
Lost in Translation is one of my favorite movies ever. But, I cringe when they kiss at the end. It wasn't in the script. And, imo, shouldn't be in the movie.
@likearollingstone007 Plutonic could work in this instance - something that is classified in one category then, after fresh data arrives, is re-classified as something else.
@@hughtube5154 stop it. Unless we’re having a conversation about geology, plutonic can not be used in this instance. As for these virtue signalling woke clowns who felt “weird” because of Murray’s character kiss shouldn’t more prude than the director herself chose to be in her art.
I think it's a tricky topic really. In some ways, it's pretty obvious - if things were made 50 years ago, they are going to look like they were made 50 years ago. Even if movies have a 'timeless' quality like Hitchcock, for example, you can always find fault watching it today and think, people don't behave like that but, that's unfair as it's judging another time. I watched Midnight Cowboy recently and thought that hasn't aged well even though the ending is still powerful. Having said that, it was quite groundbreaking as a Hollywood movie at the time. When one considers that Hello Dolly was made in the same year (a film that looks like it was made 10 years earlier), Midnight Cowboy stands up pretty well. Some of the flashy techniques of fast editing and flashbacks of the film were a trend in film-making at the time and can be quite annoying to present viewing conventions. Still, I find a lot of trends today very annoying that recall the phrase 'they don't make 'em like they used to' In a subjective way, there may be films we have liked or disliked in the past and we view them differently now but, I always think it's a case of watching movies from the past or today, they have to be considered in their context. Otherwise, only 'timeless' movies would be considered worth watching today, whereas when you watch a lot of films from a particular time period, you gain an appreciation for the attitudes and standards of the time. To be honest, though, I rarely watch films again that I didn't think were that great to begin with and, even if some people may say the ones that I still revisit haven't aged well, I will still watch them even out of a sense of nostalgia. For, when you rewatch a film, you are often reliving the feeling of when you first watched it. At least, that is my experience.
Hi, I’m glad your video showed up on my feed. I’m 63, so I’ve had quite a bit of experience seeing movies age, though in some ways it’s a disadvantage to making that judgement. Perhaps nostalgia and experiences involving a movie make me an unreliable critic. I think of the aging well phenomenon as similar to fashion. For something that didn’t age well, look at polyester leisure suits from the 70’s. Movies that don’t age well are often so engrossed on the fads of the time, that we think of the movie the same way. Depending on your perspective, the same movie could be pleasantly nostalgic, or simply barf inducing aged cellulose. Thanks for your perspective!
@@patricknorris6873 Yeah, just last year I saw Beau Is Afraid in IMAX. I also saw Talk to Me in theatres, Past Lives in a major theatre chain and on that same theatre chain I watched The Zone of Interest, Anatomy of a Fall, etc.
@@patricknorris6873 On top of Skinamarink making millions of dollars on a $6,000 budget, Infinity Pool being a big success, and Red Rooms making plenty of off online sales… I think indie films are doing just fine.
Most films that don’t age well as a viewer I find are films that give up everything on first viewing. Eg not at all layered for multiple viewing, for me The Shawshank Redemption and Forest Gump are prime examples of this but I’m sure I’m in the minority.
Donnie Darko. I thought it was the deepest, most mind-blowing film ever made for teenage me. Tried revisiting it twice in my 30s and it...well it just isn't what I thought it was haha
I think Donnie Darko is a very good movie,.it's the diary of a confused dissociated young man, I don't think DD wants too be taken too seriously, I know while watching that DD is not Tarkowsky or Bergman, it's more a coming to age surreal movie.
I still enjoy Scary Movie, but it came out in 2000 and it's so connected with late 90's culture. It's a movie that probably won't connect with people unless you were a teen or young adult at the time. I will also throw in Independence Day, I loved it as a kid but now, it's not very good and even a little boring.
I was 19 when I saw Independence Day in 1996, trust me, it wasn't all that good back then either. I was so mad at how hyped it was and how awful it turned out to be.
@@Mickey-1994 The 90s had some movies that hyped me up as a teenager and early 20s, only to come crashing down. 1999's Phantom Menace is another. I grew up with the OT Star Wars, and then there was Phantom Menace...
@@John-ct9zs My opinion on Phantom Menace has always been the same, it has some great moments, but it also has some really bad stuff. I would still give the movie like a 6/10, I don't rewatch it very often but still decent. I find Attack of the Clones worse and pretty unwatchable.
It may sound stupid but some 80s comedies have that effect for me, specially when the main character (to whom we’re supposed to sympathize with) is openly a jerk , characters like Lt. Mahoney, Peter Venkman (and all Bill Murray’s characters) Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop and 48 Hours. The Bugs Bunny type, always winning, never losing. Despite being infamous for being a nightmare to work with, I love watching Chevy Chase failing and attempting to always get a positive outcome for his family in the National Lampoon’s vacation saga, because he doesn’t give up.
I just tried watching The Out-of-Towners and had to turn it off after a half hour because the characters were the worst people, yelling at everyone and acting like petulant children when they didn't get their way (such as when the airplane didn't land in time and had to fly to Boston instead). But then I saw that a movie critic in 1970 said the same thing about how Jack Lemon was just an asshole and the movie doesn't work as a comedy because you immediately sympathize with everyone who has to deal with this guy.
Bugs Bunny was someone who was happy go lucky and never started the fight. Someone else would whether a hunter, a wild animal, or a bandit. What made Bugs special was how he would finish the fight with his humor and ingenuity
I recently watched “Killing of a Chinese Bookie” and was struck by the entertainment act. It reminded me of the guy in South Park who sings the Imagination song and flys the balloon. Turns out it’s clearly a reference to the movie. Just sharing cause it blew my mind, so oblique and hilarious.
But THAT's the kick of it. Being judgemental makes people feel good about themselves. It's no coincidence that the worse offenders tend to be pretty miserable people by their own admission.
Hey, what's wrong with "Hallmark movies?" Okay, fine, they're easy to predict and overly sugary, etc. But that's what you go in wanting to see. You don't always need an arthouse classic.
I'm of the opinion that when someone says something didn't age well they are making an objective claim. for the purpose of saying "I used to like this movie but now I don't because of changes in my life" it is a very tortured way of speaking that conflates a universal truth with a personal opinion. movies that didn't age well are things like birth of a nation or revenge of the nerds... movies where the audience is encouraged to treat other people worse than they did before they saw the movie. movies that show flawed characters doing morally dubious things doesn't inherently classify a movie as "aged poorly". like some people say beauty and the beast aged poorly because stockholm syndrome and I'm like "who thought the directors were trying to convince people to behave like the beast?"
@@putnam-he2swPretty sure he’s alluding to the rapey stuff in Revenge of the Nerds, and how it’s poised as acceptable. Not the concept of nerds. And no, maybe not as egregious as Birth of Nation, but given how both films have warped sense of victimhood I think the comparison is fair.
Bringing up Star Trek Nemesis triggers feelings I had buried so deep I forgot they were there. Remember psychic rape? Remember Picard clone? Remember 'special' Data? God I hate that movie. Thankfully it didn't kill Tom Hardy's career.
I've found after the trauma that is newtrek, rewatching Insurrection made it decent. It suffered from the physical Stewart stupid fight they all do but was more core to the oldtrek ideals.@@ssehe2007
Lots of the 2000’s Superhero movies have aged terribly. There are exceptions ones like Batman Begins and Spider-man 2. But for every one of those there is 3-4 bad ones. X-Men Origins Wolverine Daredevil Superman Returns X3 Last Stand Electra The Spirit Catwoman Spider-man 3 Ghost Rider Hulk Fantastic Four The list is insane
Speaking of movies that don't age well, how about 'Young Guns' (1988). Chock full of close-ups and tight shots with very limited wide angle, establishing shots. Odd, because it's a Western, yet rarely employs the sweeping landscapes the characters exist within to any effect at all. I remember liking the film on first viewing it, but on a re-watch a couple years ago, it looked like a made-for-tv movie, and mostly because of how it was shot.
I noticed the same on a recent rewatch. My nephew's gotten really into westerns and we watched it together. I was actually kinda embarrassed by it, but we laughed about how popular it was when it released. I'm curious now to watch YG2, which I barely remember, but I dread a repeat experience
That was one of my favourite movies when I was a kid. Mainly due to Emilio Estevez,.I liked EE so much as an actor. Even in pos movies like Freejack that cyberpunk piece of trash with Mick jagger.
I saw Scott Pilgrim once, didn't want to see it again. After 20 minutes the stylization is like they're trying to hard. Iit seemed dated when it came out because pop/punk/emo was going out of fashion, and the characters were all sociopaths.
I think there's a difference between a movie not aging well and one you grow out of; I saw 'Xanadu' (1980) when I was 11 and absolutely loved it, when I saw it again, as an adult, I was shocked at how bad it was... and now, however, I actually enjoy it again as a complete mess of a film but with hugely enjoyable music and camp fantasy elements!
At least someone here acknowledges that cinema existed before the year 2000, unlike most of the comments here that seem to have no knowledge that there were 100 years of masterpieces made before then.
@@AlgernonBrosplitz It's solid movie and supports my claim that Rodriguez is a decent filmmaker when he just directs a project rather than adding writing, producing, shooting and scoring credits.
How about the topic of 80’s box office bombs that aged well. For me that would be, ‘Streets of Fire’. Every single song in that movie is a timeless rock and roll classic. Storyline was cool and characters interesting. Hearing, ‘Tonight is what is what it means to be young’ brings me back to the 13 year old kid reminiscing the movie.
Forest Gump. I am not sure if this movie has been on your list before, but it should be. I loved the 90's, but this was something that came out of the 90's that is still stuck there. This movie did not age well.
Ehhhh practical effects are as convincing as early CGI. The only difference is that people prefer the artistry of puppets over computer effects. My immersion isn’t ruined by either. Animatronics and puppets are cool. But they’re obviously effects. Now with 4K u can even see the strings in older films. So they don’t age well in that regard. Which is just as “dated” as idk the metal effects in T2
A more cynical version of Horrible Bosses is the 1990 film A Shock to the System with Micheal Caine. They go very dark in that one about getting rid of people that are in your way. Two movies that didn't age well at all has to be Cruising(1980) with Al Pacino and Saturday NIght Fever(1977) with John Travolta. Plus love your take on how New Trek is not really Trek anymore but Star Wars. You're my hero.
@@erickenneycreative Swimming With Sharks was inspired by director George Huang’s own experiences from his time working for a volatile producer in Hollywood, infusing the film with authenticity.
I love that movie, mainly because technicolor and painted landscapes went completely out of fashion. Btw Innerspace (Joe Dante,, 1987) may be considered as an apocryphal remake of Fantastic Vojage.
Not so. Films that don't age well was intended for a very specific audience in a very specific time period. Most of that audience has passed away and it is now being watched by an audience it was not made for in the future. Example. Late 1960s and early 1970s movies made for hippy baby boomers are kind of cringe now for modern audiences of Millennials and Gen Z. Try watching Godspell,Hair or Billy Jack with them.
@@raymondsmith6870 Cool that you mention 2 movies that I grew up with and still love today, Hair & Godspell, and I'll add in "Jesus Christ Superstar". Wasn't much of a Billy jack fan even when it was the new big hit in theaters. I'm 58 yo, now, but basically lived at the drive-in & multiplex (meaning 2 screens!) throughout the mid 70s and 80s growing up....Anyway, as for the "not aging well" thing, I was taking it a whole other way. I was thinking more of people watching movies that they grew up with and had loved in the past, but now either find it "dated, or in some cases offensive because 40 and 50 years later they do not reflect the attitudes of today. I have seen a lot of this in movie discussion forums. I remember back when the IMDB had open discussion forums, that it was raunchy sex comedies like "Porky's", "Revenge Of the Nerds" & "Private School" that took a beating for being "dated" in their dialogue and content, and these comments were coming from people in my age range that loved these movies back when they were new, but now find them out-of-date and objectionable. Oddly, it was younger viewers discovering these 'outdated' movies for the first time who would defend them against the people who grew up with them. ..So that was my original point. Short of new "directors cuts", "special editions" or George Lucas-like updatings, those movies of the 70s and 80s will always remain the same - it's the audiences that have changed over time. I can put my DVD of "Hair" in the player and it's the same movie I saw (twice) back in 1979. My tastes and attitudes towards the movie might possibly change, but the movie has stayed the same. Thankfully with that particular film I still love it. Today I just wonder how it got a PG instead of an R. : - )
I watched both Deadpool movies in one sitting accompanied by an pizza and an bag of popcorn I was amazed by how everyone loved this character and the dedication of Ryan Reynolds putted all his energy and writing into the movies. My experience started of being nervous at first then it got way better and easier as it went along until I couldn’t stop laughing and I didn’t realize that Josh Brolin who played Thanos in the infinity saga also played Cable in these Deadpool films that surprised me.
Huge shoutout to you, Maggie, in Side Scrollers latest podcast show. Chris Gore, who’s a big fan of yours, was on the show, and I left a superchat near the end telling Chris to have you on his show sometime, and he would LOVE to! Absolutely!
Where are the comments that she's reading from? I don't see a previous video she asked for responses in. I'd like to one day participate in these discussions.
I saw Nemesis in theatres twice because after my first viewing I was convinced I must have missed something. After my second viewing I left the theatre with a heavy heart, unsure whether to be more frustrated with the film and its treatment of so many beloved characters or with the time and money I wasted to learn that they really are only shadows on a cave wall; there’s nothing else.
Sometimes I like to watch dated movies because they serve as a timecapsule for an era. A lot of Judd Apatow movies are like that for me. They are very 2000s humor.
Some movies get better with time: 6th Sense, Jurassic Park, 40 Year old Virgin, Jaws, MASH, Hair, Shakespeare in Love, Back to the Future, and last but not least The Godfather 1
I don't like to the term personally. As a fan of old musical films I would argue that 'An American in Paris' and 'South Pacific' are still classics regardless of time. Even if almost no one from a more recent generation watches them. I can argue for film-noir classics as their technique and style were classic for the genre when done with perfection. Techniques with lighting can camera angles that were break through creative processes but are less impressive to generations raised on special effects and technology. I think there are too many arguments for 'did not age well' that are narrowly focused. Almost too casual to dismiss Art and the artist's intent and contribution.
Good shout out to Observe and Report, it is a dark hidden taxi driver comedy. Surprised super woke and entrenched in thr narrative Seth Rogan went that direction
Some films honestly don’t age well, but the term is applied way too liberally today. For example it’s idiotic to say a film didn’t age well that is accurately reflecting the attitudes, or culture of the time or place it is taking place in just because a person doesn’t like those attitudes, etc. You can’t nor should you ever whitewash history.
For me is there something about Mary. It's not bad at all but I saw it for the first time in theaters when I was 17. Now that I'm in my 40s it's just cringe the idea of a bunch of dudes going out of their way to get this one woman. That's the joke of course and Ben Stiller's character makes for a great foil against all of that, but it's a perfect example of Decades of life experience allowing you to judge characters much much differently
Soylent Green is so 70's......costumes, hair styles, all screamed 1973. No effort was made to make you feel you were looking into the future, whereas Blade Runner sucked you right in and you actually felt you were viewing the world of 2019. That also goes for the sets. Cheap, cheap, cheap.
What’s interesting is that science-fiction films don’t age well (as technology advances) but 19th or early 20th Century Westerns do (as director’s work towards authenticity more-so than Westerns of the past.) Compare “High Plains Drifter” (which feels rather modern in tone even for an early 70’s film) to something like “The Homesman” (2014) in which the hardships of life in the Old West are deeply dove into; you can practically taste the dust the characters routinely sweep off their floors, which choke their crops, etc.
Topic suggestion, the opposite to this video - how about films that age like fine wine. - Although I've always loved it, Before Sunset moves me more and more, each time I watch and pick up on more subtleties. These days I can't get past the scene in the car without being in tears, this.never used to happen when first seeing it. I'm sure I could come up with more suggestions under this heading, though Sunset was the first to come to mind.
I'm starting to think that the term guilty pleasure is a term we use when we realize how subjective the enjoyment of a film is and how much we really don't know about what does or does not make a good movie. We say "this" is what a good movie is, and then along comes a movie that pretty much informs us that we are full of shit.
90% of all movies people think are bad today were actually never good to begin with but people loved them when they were young and dumb, lacked life experience and much needed perspective. When all the hoopla dies about this and that "actor/actress" and Cult Movie X which "defines a generation" people start viewing it with a more open mindset.
I guess the next topic is movies that aged surprisingly well, like movies that weren't supposed to be anything special when they came out but have had long shelf lives and still entertain new generations. I'm thinking Flash Gordon specifically. When I saw that movie I was a kid and it was a silly fun movie, but every time I've seen it since, I had to stop and just watch the whole thing and damn it's still fun.
"The Net," starring Sandra Bullock, didn't age well. I think it is because the premise was based upon technology that was current at the time. Let's compare it to "You've Got Mail," which came out around the same time. "You've Got Mail" also utilizes a technological innovation in its story, but it is not *necessary* to the plot (it is, after all, a remake of an older film that used snail mail). "The Net," however, seems to seek to be a techno-thriller, with an emphasis on "techno," but the technology was outdated within the decade. We can also compare it to "Blade Runner," in which technology is critical to the plot. Even though the film takes place in 2019, it doesn't feel dated even though the predictions of future technology were quite off. I think this is because "Blade Runner" was supposed to be speculative fiction whereas "The Net" was about how cool the technology at the time of making was. I suspect that the appeal in 1995 came from the fact that the WWW was just coming into public use. Now that everybody has technology on their phones that is far superior to that in the movie, the idea that what the characters were using is "high tech" is laughable. I think that if somebody today were to make a movie about computer networking set in 1995, it might be better since we have a couple decades of perspective, and the use of technology in the film could focus on how characters overcome the technological limitations rather than be an attempt to teach the normies about computer nerd subculture.
The Net is just a bad movie in general. Very predictable & not that interesting of a plot. Same can be said about Pelican Brief, Enemy of the State. I think Face/Off would be an interesting movie to revisit. I haven’t watched it in at least 15 years. I have a feeling it didn’t age well. I think the movies that focus on cinematography & capturing atmosphere always age better. In other words, you can tell they were made with quality in mind. It’s not so much what you are watching, but how you feel when watching it.
Star Trek reboot: Only young people need apply. Nobody on the bridge out of their twenties. Are all old people dead in this era? Does experience mean nothing when it comes to running a starship?!?! Also, it suffers from CGI overdose syndrome like most of the action movies today. I'm watching old westerns now, and the great stunt work in them beats the hell out of CGI, for realism. I'm sick of CGI, and I wonder whether stunt people are able to make a living in today's Hollywood.
I respectfully disagree (with maybe the entire Universe) about A Million Ways to Die in the West, which I still find very funny and the chemistry between McFarlane and Charlize Theron to be quite strong. Nobody I know likes this movie. Happy to claim it for my own ------Still. 😎
The Dark Knight is quite dumb. The Joker's planned to get caught... did he? or was it just necessary because the plot had nowhere to go. Another example, Batman jumps out the window after Rachael and they both lie there while the Joker is upstairs with a room full of vulnerables still looking for Dent.
Was just randomly thinking about this one-- Three Men and a Baby (1987). Its not that it didn't necessarily age well, but more like the cringe is very palpable nowadays. I can't put it into words, but the fact that it was such a huge hit when it was released is amazing to me today!
Pretty much every MCU movie (besides the Guardians movies) did not age well. Looking back at them, most of them look really fake and cheesy. When their hype died off their appeal and re-watchability just isn't there anymore.
I was about 8 when I watched The Adventures of Pluto Nash with Eddie Murphy, and I absolutely loved it. I know it’s considered one of the worst movies of all time, and I’m sure if I watched it now it wouldn’t age well for me personally, so I might never watch it again to preserve the memory.
Please talk about Star Trek!! I love it, one of my favourite series ever, if not my favourite. At least until Enterprise, I am not counting any more recent tv shows.
Her comment about propaganda resonated with me a lot. I've said the same thing many times before. Just because something is propaganda doesn't mean it's bad. I can think of three examples of terrific propaganda, and their intended messages, right off the top of my head: _Top Gun_ (Join the Military; Be all you can Be), _The Untouchables_ (Sometimes the cops _have_ to behave like the gangsters they claim to be catching), and Season 2 of _24_ (trust the intelligence community, even if they start blatantly violating the constitution; they're getting the bad guys). All three of those properties are worth the watch and they are damn good pieces of entertainment... just so long as you don't demand your community reflect their ideals.
Top Gun? Even Tom Cruise admitted that it's a fantasy and not serious political propaganda. Heck I've always though it was a pretty satiricial look at the macho Reagan-era American jingoism it was made in the midst of.
@@M.H.I.A.F.T. I will stand by my statement about _Top Gun._ In fact, I'll go so far as to say that _Top Gun_ is the prime example of how to do pro-military propaganda well. It is one of the films made with the blessing and support of the US military (and for those who don't know, they are notorious for demanding to edit scripts that their equipment appears in). But unlike many films that get US military support, and equipment, this one _doesn't_ rely on demonizing another nation to make people want to join the military. That's because the point of the film is not to be pro _war_ propaganda, but pro _military._ And in _that_ respect, it passes with flying colours, because _Top Gun_ makes it look fun as hell!
Garden State from 2004, not sure why I ever liked this movie but it has aged like Chinese food left out for 2 weeks during the summer. It's trying so hard to be corky and this indie movie but really is pretentious. Also, I completely agree with you on Seth MacFarlane after watching him in some recent interviews, the guy does come off as really smug, if you don't have the same politics as him, he looks down on you and he has been in that Hollywood bubble for so many years now.
Well this isn't necessarily true. It's usually more coming down to you as she says. You just grow out of it, it's not bad it just doesn't reflect you and what you like and what you relate to afterwards.
From what i see, directors are clear to there vision of creation and production as a way of invitation of their project responsibly or caricaturly sorta say on it. We as a viewer bud up at the scene of their middle of their career. Soon after we plugged our self to question, is it really an work of labor of love or labor of a means to an end. Wanting to love and love to wanted are ❤ everything i known for sure.
I recently re watched Dances with Wolves which I remember liking it a lot. Jesus I did it recently and it bored the arse off me. Kevin Cosner kept knocking himself out all the time.
Stripes. It feels unfair to pick an early 80s comedy, as comedies in general do not age well. Stripes, however, had the whole 40th anniversary celebration and re-release in theatres treatment which makes it fair game, imho. Just because something was once popular (5th highest grossing film in domestic US cinemas in 1981) does not mean it has remained relevant and with Stripes, the cringe is real.
Often it is the effects that don't really hold up. I remember watching iRobot recently and some scenes felt like PS2 cutscenes, which I remember looking much better! :D
And here are a few movies that DO age well: _Coma_ (1978) For anyone interested in history of medicine. Medicine was a very different profession in the late 1970s, when computers were new (for all industries except defense and academic math). The changes are interesting, and they matter, a lot. _Day of the Dead_ (1985) The third in the original zombie-apocalypse trilogy which began with _Night of the Living Dead_ (1968). This one, the third installment, is obviously a commentary on HIV/AIDS and the tension between the patients and vulnerable community (who persistently and loudly demanded rapid progress) and the scientists (who kept having to point out that there is no such thing as rapid progress in science, which is still true: even Operation Warp Speed depended on a great deal of slow, tedious work which had been done previously.) _The Manchurian Candidate_ (1962) Yes, the Republican Party is being run by the Russians, and yes, they are planning to use it to take over the USA. _Dr. Strangelove, or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb_ (1964) It was true then and it's true now: a chain of command is only as sane as its least-sane link.
There is a point where something that looks or feels dated can become “retro”. Flash Gordon movie I hated at the time however now I enjoy. Is it good? Not really.
To really put this discussion to the test, try watching a Mary Pickford film from the era of the First World War. Get your own nostalgia out of the equation. Watch something utterly foreign to you and try to determine if anything aged poorly. And these movies aren't like "Birth of a Nation" in terms of content, so there's no easy answer upfront, either. Try watching "A Little Princess" from I think it was 1916. First you have to burst through the idea that you're watching an entirely different medium - Silent films are films, but not in the sense we know. The "quality" ain't gonna be great, it's not 60fps. And you're watching a movie made from an entirely different era with entirely different assumptions. Movies like "Poor Little Rich Girl" are literally Edwardian, from Edwardian novels. It's more than a century old. Many of Pickford's films were critically acclaimed (she got in trouble when she tried playing more "modern" women), and some were colossal successes. So, what out of these ancient artifacts can escape the "hasn't aged well" cesspool? Anything? That will be your determination, but to say things like "Blind Side" and "Star Trek 2009" haven't "aged well" is pretty silly, and wrong, because these movies weren't good to begin with, as Maggie says. "Blind Side" was an expensive Lifetime movie and they had to take the Trek out of "Star Trek" to make that a hit - I don't know what that says about either Trek or its audiences, but the studio nonetheless had to change the basic essence of the material to make money.
Oh, I can tell you right away. Anything WOKE like INDIANA JONES 5 or GHOSTBUSTERS 2016 won't age well. Classics like RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK , TEMPLE OF DOOM , LAST CRUSADE , and GHOSTBUSTERS (1984) are timeless.
Not aging well doesn't actually mean that a movie is offensive now. Granted, that is true for many of the 80s movies which were depicting sexual harassment and even r@pe as good clean fun (Ghostbusters, Revenge of the Nerds) but there are also old movies that suck like Mrs. Miniver which must have wowed them all in the 40s but is just hokey schmaltz now.
I bet Everything Everywhere All At Once won't age well. Frankly I think it's crazy overrated & the amount of awards it won absurd. I mean, Michelle Yeoh winning Best Actress over a performance like Blanchett's in Tar shows how ridiculous the Academy is. They care more about being seen as more diverse now anyway. Most of the Best Picture winners of the last 20 years aren't that fondly remembered anyway. You could just say the Academy Awards hasn't aged well. LOL
Totally agree, i would add the overrated and forgettable Oscar winners of the last years, who remembers about the green book? Coda? The shape of water? Are they really Oscar worthy?
@@Annayasha The Shape of Water is Oscar-worthy. It was one of the more interesting Hollywood movies that has come out in recent years. I didn't see Coda but it sounded a bit forced to me. The Green Book was enjoyable but not really best picture quality but it's fairly accessible so I can imagine it being popular still.
Tár was seriously overlooked and devalued by lots of people. Kate was phenomenal. It was a standout film for me. Everything Everywhere All At Once was pretty good, but did not live up to the expectations that where set by critics and the oscars. Not bad, just not great (or Tár)
@terrortower666 Tar is excellent & Blanchett her usual outstanding self. One of the all-time greats she is, I love her as an actress. It's criminal she lost but I tend not to agree with the Oscars a lot anyway. Aftersun & All Of Us Strangers are two of my favourite films of recent years & they snubbed both. 🤷♂️
@@NoirFan84 Yes another two great examples right there, love both of them myself. In all honesty I do not take the oscars seriously these days at. Just bought and paid for marketing imo. Also your profile pic seems familiar, what film is that taken from?
that first comment didn't age well. wouldn't curmudgeons be the ones who like things in general that haven't aged well? and what's ADHD got to do with it?
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Don't apologize for being a south park fan! It's one of the best shows all time
It's really not.
Eh.
As far as comedy series go, it’s top 3 for me. Still has good episodes after 25 years
@@brunoactis1104 we all got our opinions
@@connorstephens7467 we all got our opinions
JFK - when that movie came out, there was a Kennedy-related zeitgeist that is hard to believe today. And the movie was hailed as some sort of victory against the state that it accuses of Kennedy's assassination. But now, looking back, it remains an entertaining movie but its investigative threads are pretty tenuous. Not to mention how fast and loose it plays with history
Does it even really accuse the state? It seems to be obsessed with gay gangsters that are a compositive of real and imagined people.
deepstate-sponsored gay fascist cabals
It was meant to be a fever dream - a combination of every single conspiracy theory that has any support.
Yeah I never took its über-conspiracy theory seriously, but taken as a paranoia thriller/ fantasy/ nightmare or as an alternate history scenario I think it is somewhat of a masterpiece of filmmaking. The script and especially the editing are truly excellent, very much ahead of it’s time, very groundbreaking.
J.F.K. is a MASTERPIECE...but its claims are absurd at every turn....
I like dated movies. They tend to tell you a lot about the time they were produced in. They are useful like an historical document.
Never saw the Blindside. Old 1950's esque movie? Horrible Bosses was a terrible movie. Ted was a terrible movie. I don't think the problem is these movies aged poorly. The problem here , these movies are just terrible.
Exactly! Swing Time, from 1936, with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers, hasn't aged very well with Fred Astaire tap dancing in Black face...
but it's still a great film.....
and the part with him dancing in Black face tells you about the time in which the film was made, about the culture and the prejudices of that era.....
@@andrewtheworldcitizen The song that he was dancing to and singing was a tribute to Bill Robinson, a black man. How should he have done it, in a clown suit?
Making it up as it goes along IS signature JJ Abrams
I love your takes on Observe and Report. It's one of my favorites and shamefully overlooked.
There aren't many movies that didn't age well for me, but revisiting some as an adult, I'm able to notice plot holes and issues that I didn't notice when I was younger, but it doesn't really ruin my enjoyment of them.
Edit: After thinking about it a bit. Bio-Dome makes the list for me. I loved that movie as a young teen, but re-visiting it, it's just bad lol
Encino Man 😂
@@ogvelociraptor205Yeah, I'd be curious to re-visit that one. Another one I loved.
Yeah Bio-dome is awful.
There's unfortunately lots of homophobia and transphobia in older movies and that ages worse than milk.
@@systerkeno so. If it's funny it's funny. Shout out to Dave Chappelle.
Opposite point, I watched some Laurel and Hardy recently and they are not just better than I remember as a kid. They are the best comedy duo that will ever be! Their slapstick timing, performance and character mannerisms are just outstanding.
Buster Keaton. Transcendent. He was genuinely one of a kind.
@@RichardCThurston Harold Lloyd and a few others of that era. True innovators when Hollywood was the creative powerhouse of film. Now only the odd gem in a very big ocean.
@@Theoverthinker81 The guitarist Bill Frisell composed and performed music for the Buster Keaton films Go West, One Week, and High Sign. Saw a live performance in the mid 1990's in Seattle and the recordings are available on Nonesuch and probably the videos are here on UA-cam.
@@Theoverthinker81 The guitarist Bill Frisell composed and performed music for the Keaton films The General, High Sign and One Week back in the mid 1990s. I was fortunate to see a performance live with the band and the films in Seattle. The music is available from Nonesuch and I imagine the videos are not difficult to find. Likely they are available here on UA-cam.
All of those early-to-mid 20th century physical comedians like Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd, Laurel and Hardy, the Marx Brothers, the Three Stooges, and Abbott & Costello are still so watchable and timeless.....
Hey Maggie, would love to hear your views on 'Zone of Interest', and 'All of us strangers'. I think these are right up your alley.
Whenever I see characters/filmmakers being unaware of paradigms that I'm aware of, I interpret those characters/filmmakers as being more innocent and operating under more innocent paradigms. Then, within that innocence, I can often still relate to their intentions (regarding love, justice, friendship, loneliness, etc.).
I think people tend to use the "didn't age well" as a way to deal with what they perceive as a threat to their exact way of thinking, when in reality there is still much to feel connected to.
[00:00] 🎬 Discussing the aging of movies and how personal perspectives can influence their perception over time.
[01:38] 🎞 Critique of "The Blind Side," highlighting discomfort with its portrayal and narrative structure.
[03:53] 🌌 Commentary on the 2009 "Star Trek" reboot, noting its departure from traditional Star Trek themes.
[05:11] 🚀 Critique of the subsequent Star Trek films, describing them as forgettable and lacking direction.
[06:31] 😂 Evaluation of "Horrible Bosses," acknowledging its divisive humor and personal guilty pleasure.
[08:03] 🐻 Critique of "Ted," citing its reliance on outdated pop culture references and perceived elitism in Seth MacFarlane's humor.
Lost in Translation is one of my all time favs. I’m always scared to rewatch in case their connection seems something other than plutonic (which is what’s so beautiful about the movie).
Lost in Translation is one of my favorite movies ever. But, I cringe when they kiss at the end. It wasn't in the script. And, imo, shouldn't be in the movie.
Platonic *
@likearollingstone007 Plutonic could work in this instance - something that is classified in one category then, after fresh data arrives, is re-classified as something else.
@@hughtube5154 stop it. Unless we’re having a conversation about geology, plutonic can not be used in this instance.
As for these virtue signalling woke clowns who felt “weird” because of Murray’s character kiss shouldn’t more prude than the director herself chose to be in her art.
@@likearollingstone007 if you wanna play the pedantic game, I want to point out that feeling a certain way isn't virtue signalling lol
I think it's a tricky topic really. In some ways, it's pretty obvious - if things were made 50 years ago, they are going to look like they were made 50 years ago. Even if movies have a 'timeless' quality like Hitchcock, for example, you can always find fault watching it today and think, people don't behave like that but, that's unfair as it's judging another time.
I watched Midnight Cowboy recently and thought that hasn't aged well even though the ending is still powerful. Having said that, it was quite groundbreaking as a Hollywood movie at the time. When one considers that Hello Dolly was made in the same year (a film that looks like it was made 10 years earlier), Midnight Cowboy stands up pretty well. Some of the flashy techniques of fast editing and flashbacks of the film were a trend in film-making at the time and can be quite annoying to present viewing conventions. Still, I find a lot of trends today very annoying that recall the phrase 'they don't make 'em like they used to'
In a subjective way, there may be films we have liked or disliked in the past and we view them differently now but, I always think it's a case of watching movies from the past or today, they have to be considered in their context. Otherwise, only 'timeless' movies would be considered worth watching today, whereas when you watch a lot of films from a particular time period, you gain an appreciation for the attitudes and standards of the time.
To be honest, though, I rarely watch films again that I didn't think were that great to begin with and, even if some people may say the ones that I still revisit haven't aged well, I will still watch them even out of a sense of nostalgia. For, when you rewatch a film, you are often reliving the feeling of when you first watched it. At least, that is my experience.
Jaws was made 50 years ago, despite the 70s fashion and hairstyles still looks very modern, at least in my eyes.
Citizen Kane felt VERY contemporary, especially when Kane loses the election and has "Fraud at the Polls" ready to go as a headline.
Midnight Cowboy has aged quite badly indeed
@@Starkardur - Still a good movie
Hi, I’m glad your video showed up on my feed.
I’m 63, so I’ve had quite a bit of experience seeing movies age, though in some ways it’s a disadvantage to making that judgement. Perhaps nostalgia and experiences involving a movie make me an unreliable critic.
I think of the aging well phenomenon as similar to fashion. For something that didn’t age well, look at polyester leisure suits from the 70’s. Movies that don’t age well are often so engrossed on the fads of the time, that we think of the movie the same way. Depending on your perspective, the same movie could be pleasantly nostalgic, or simply barf inducing aged cellulose.
Thanks for your perspective!
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So calming just to hear a smart person talking..enjoy you're channel, could you talk about the death of the indie film ?
“Indie” films are actually exploding right now with the destruction of Hollywood. Not sure what you mean.
Indie films are doing better than ever, what are you talking about?
Seen any in the theater lately?
@@patricknorris6873 Yeah, just last year I saw Beau Is Afraid in IMAX. I also saw Talk to Me in theatres, Past Lives in a major theatre chain and on that same theatre chain I watched The Zone of Interest, Anatomy of a Fall, etc.
@@patricknorris6873 On top of Skinamarink making millions of dollars on a $6,000 budget, Infinity Pool being a big success, and Red Rooms making plenty of off online sales… I think indie films are doing just fine.
Could depend on how they're stored. The colour can run out with overuse, or copying. Film, anyway.
Most films that don’t age well as a viewer I find are films that give up everything on first viewing. Eg not at all layered for multiple viewing, for me The Shawshank Redemption and Forest Gump are prime examples of this but I’m sure I’m in the minority.
Donnie Darko. I thought it was the deepest, most mind-blowing film ever made for teenage me. Tried revisiting it twice in my 30s and it...well it just isn't what I thought it was haha
Nah it’s still good. The key is to not take it too seriously
Yeah but it is a teen movie, so it’s okay that it appeals mostly to the teenage you.
I find it even more interesting after watching it over the years
Directors cut is awful.
I think Donnie Darko is a very good movie,.it's the diary of a confused dissociated young man, I don't think DD wants too be taken too seriously, I know while watching that DD is not Tarkowsky or Bergman, it's more a coming to age surreal movie.
I still enjoy Scary Movie, but it came out in 2000 and it's so connected with late 90's culture. It's a movie that probably won't connect with people unless you were a teen or young adult at the time. I will also throw in Independence Day, I loved it as a kid but now, it's not very good and even a little boring.
I was 19 when I saw Independence Day in 1996, trust me, it wasn't all that good back then either. I was so mad at how hyped it was and how awful it turned out to be.
@@John-ct9zs Fair enough, I was 12 when it came out and I loved it at the time but it was rough as an adult.
@@Mickey-1994 The 90s had some movies that hyped me up as a teenager and early 20s, only to come crashing down. 1999's Phantom Menace is another. I grew up with the OT Star Wars, and then there was Phantom Menace...
@@John-ct9zs My opinion on Phantom Menace has always been the same, it has some great moments, but it also has some really bad stuff. I would still give the movie like a 6/10, I don't rewatch it very often but still decent. I find Attack of the Clones worse and pretty unwatchable.
It may sound stupid but some 80s comedies have that effect for me, specially when the main character (to whom we’re supposed to sympathize with) is openly a jerk , characters like Lt. Mahoney, Peter Venkman (and all Bill Murray’s characters) Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop and 48 Hours. The Bugs Bunny type, always winning, never losing. Despite being infamous for being a nightmare to work with, I love watching Chevy Chase failing and attempting to always get a positive outcome for his family in the National Lampoon’s vacation saga, because he doesn’t give up.
I just tried watching The Out-of-Towners and had to turn it off after a half hour because the characters were the worst people, yelling at everyone and acting like petulant children when they didn't get their way (such as when the airplane didn't land in time and had to fly to Boston instead). But then I saw that a movie critic in 1970 said the same thing about how Jack Lemon was just an asshole and the movie doesn't work as a comedy because you immediately sympathize with everyone who has to deal with this guy.
One thing about Bugs though, he never starts the war. The writers purposely did that so everything Bugs dishes out is in retaliation.
Bugs Bunny was someone who was happy go lucky and never started the fight. Someone else would whether a hunter, a wild animal, or a bandit. What made Bugs special was how he would finish the fight with his humor and ingenuity
Bugs would get got but he would then say “Of course you know…this means war.” Then he would go to work.
I recently watched “Killing of a Chinese Bookie” and was struck by the entertainment act. It reminded me of the guy in South Park who sings the Imagination song and flys the balloon. Turns out it’s clearly a reference to the movie. Just sharing cause it blew my mind, so oblique and hilarious.
Judging past movie based on today’s “standards” is dumb. It comes off as very holier than thou.
But THAT's the kick of it. Being judgemental makes people feel good about themselves. It's no coincidence that the worse offenders tend to be pretty miserable people by their own admission.
Hey, what's wrong with "Hallmark movies?" Okay, fine, they're easy to predict and overly sugary, etc. But that's what you go in wanting to see. You don't always need an arthouse classic.
I'm of the opinion that when someone says something didn't age well they are making an objective claim. for the purpose of saying "I used to like this movie but now I don't because of changes in my life" it is a very tortured way of speaking that conflates a universal truth with a personal opinion.
movies that didn't age well are things like birth of a nation or revenge of the nerds... movies where the audience is encouraged to treat other people worse than they did before they saw the movie.
movies that show flawed characters doing morally dubious things doesn't inherently classify a movie as "aged poorly". like some people say beauty and the beast aged poorly because stockholm syndrome and I'm like "who thought the directors were trying to convince people to behave like the beast?"
@@putnam-he2swPretty sure he’s alluding to the rapey stuff in Revenge of the Nerds, and how it’s poised as acceptable. Not the concept of nerds.
And no, maybe not as egregious as Birth of Nation, but given how both films have warped sense of victimhood I think the comparison is fair.
Bringing up Star Trek Nemesis triggers feelings I had buried so deep I forgot they were there. Remember psychic rape? Remember Picard clone? Remember 'special' Data? God I hate that movie. Thankfully it didn't kill Tom Hardy's career.
Star Trek ended in May of 1994 with All Good Things.
If Venom can't kill his career, nothing will.
@@ssehe2007 but Deep Space 9 was excellent
I've found after the trauma that is newtrek, rewatching Insurrection made it decent. It suffered from the physical Stewart stupid fight they all do but was more core to the oldtrek ideals.@@ssehe2007
Venom was a fun basic B antihero film. There was nothing bad about his performance I can remember.@@raymondsmith6870
Lots of the 2000’s Superhero movies have aged terribly. There are exceptions ones like Batman Begins and Spider-man 2. But for every one of those there is 3-4 bad ones.
X-Men Origins Wolverine
Daredevil
Superman Returns
X3 Last Stand
Electra
The Spirit
Catwoman
Spider-man 3
Ghost Rider
Hulk
Fantastic Four
The list is insane
I disagree with your list
You’re just listing the poorly received superhero movies lol. They didn’t necessarily age poorly, they were just always bad.
Those movies you listed were literally hated when they came out 😂. People like Spider-Man 3 now more than they did back then.
Speaking of movies that don't age well, how about 'Young Guns' (1988). Chock full of close-ups and tight shots with very limited wide angle, establishing shots. Odd, because it's a Western, yet rarely employs the sweeping landscapes the characters exist within to any effect at all. I remember liking the film on first viewing it, but on a re-watch a couple years ago, it looked like a made-for-tv movie, and mostly because of how it was shot.
I noticed the same on a recent rewatch. My nephew's gotten really into westerns and we watched it together. I was actually kinda embarrassed by it, but we laughed about how popular it was when it released. I'm curious now to watch YG2, which I barely remember, but I dread a repeat experience
Ohh. I used to love that one. I’ll have to rewatch it.
Noticed the same damn thing too. Looks cheap. All the budget went towards the cast.
That was one of my favourite movies when I was a kid. Mainly due to Emilio Estevez,.I liked EE so much as an actor. Even in pos movies like Freejack that cyberpunk piece of trash with Mick jagger.
I don’t know if you done a video on these yet, but I’d be interested in hearing your top 5 silent films or best cinematography.
Horrible Bosses isn't a good movie, but how dismissive to suggest that a female can't take advantage of their power and privilege
I saw Scott Pilgrim once, didn't want to see it again. After 20 minutes the stylization is like they're trying to hard. Iit seemed dated when it came out because pop/punk/emo was going out of fashion, and the characters were all sociopaths.
I think there's a difference between a movie not aging well and one you grow out of; I saw 'Xanadu' (1980) when I was 11 and absolutely loved it, when I saw it again, as an adult, I was shocked at how bad it was... and now, however, I actually enjoy it again as a complete mess of a film but with hugely enjoyable music and camp fantasy elements!
At least someone here acknowledges that cinema existed before the year 2000, unlike most of the comments here that seem to have no knowledge that there were 100 years of masterpieces made before then.
Every Kevin Smith movie
Every Robert Rodriguez movie
‘Garden State’
‘Go’
I liked Kevin Smith's films...until I discovered chest hair. Smith's films didn't age well because they were made by a perpetual teenager.
Desperado still slaps.
Definitely worth a re-watch
The Faculty is still one of the best horror movies ever
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@@AlgernonBrosplitz It's solid movie and supports my claim that Rodriguez is a decent filmmaker when he just directs a project rather than adding writing, producing, shooting and scoring credits.
How about the topic of 80’s box office bombs that aged well. For me that would be, ‘Streets of Fire’. Every single song in that movie is a timeless rock and roll classic. Storyline was cool and characters interesting. Hearing, ‘Tonight is what is what it means to be young’ brings me back to the 13 year old kid reminiscing the movie.
Forest Gump. I am not sure if this movie has been on your list before, but it should be. I loved the 90's, but this was something that came out of the 90's that is still stuck there. This movie did not age well.
Horrible bosses seems like it would have been a very good 1970s French comedy. It almost feels like an American remake.
I still love Horrible Bosses. It does get somewhat dark. One of the bosses does get killed.
Your videos are not long enough.... But I still enjoy the heck out of them. Cheers.
Most movies that don't seem to age well are CGI heavy instead of using practical effects.
The mid-2000s CGI seems to have aged the worst.
@@redryan20000 i agree like Transformers.
@@redryan20000lord of the rings effects aged well , I think.
The CGI in Transformers has aged exceptionally well actually.
Ehhhh practical effects are as convincing as early CGI. The only difference is that people prefer the artistry of puppets over computer effects. My immersion isn’t ruined by either.
Animatronics and puppets are cool. But they’re obviously effects. Now with 4K u can even see the strings in older films. So they don’t age well in that regard. Which is just as “dated” as idk the metal effects in T2
A more cynical version of Horrible Bosses is the 1990 film A Shock to the System with Micheal Caine. They go very dark in that one about getting rid of people that are in your way. Two movies that didn't age well at all has to be Cruising(1980) with Al Pacino and Saturday NIght Fever(1977) with John Travolta.
Plus love your take on how New Trek is not really Trek anymore but Star Wars. You're my hero.
check out "Swimming with Sharks" .. a great indie 90s horrible boss film with Kevin Spacey
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Swimming With Sharks was inspired by director George Huang’s own experiences from his time working for a volatile producer in Hollywood, infusing the film with authenticity.
@@raymondsmith6870 Never knew that. I've always enjoyed it.
A shock to the system is great
@@dannys569 I'll search around and check it out.
I'm watching one of them right now. Fantastic Voyage. I'm not big on remakes of movies. But, this one needs to be remade.
I love that movie, mainly because technicolor and painted landscapes went completely out of fashion. Btw Innerspace (Joe Dante,, 1987) may be considered as an apocryphal remake of Fantastic Vojage.
Sometimes it's the viewer that hasn't aged well. The movie is the same as its always been.
Not so. Films that don't age well was intended for a very specific audience in a very specific time period. Most of that audience has passed away and it is now being watched by an audience it was not made for in the future. Example. Late 1960s and early 1970s movies made for hippy baby boomers are kind of cringe now for modern audiences of Millennials and Gen Z. Try watching Godspell,Hair or Billy Jack with them.
@@raymondsmith6870 Cool that you mention 2 movies that I grew up with and still love today, Hair & Godspell, and I'll add in "Jesus Christ Superstar". Wasn't much of a Billy jack fan even when it was the new big hit in theaters. I'm 58 yo, now, but basically lived at the drive-in & multiplex (meaning 2 screens!) throughout the mid 70s and 80s growing up....Anyway, as for the "not aging well" thing, I was taking it a whole other way. I was thinking more of people watching movies that they grew up with and had loved in the past, but now either find it "dated, or in some cases offensive because 40 and 50 years later they do not reflect the attitudes of today. I have seen a lot of this in movie discussion forums. I remember back when the IMDB had open discussion forums, that it was raunchy sex comedies like "Porky's", "Revenge Of the Nerds" & "Private School" that took a beating for being "dated" in their dialogue and content, and these comments were coming from people in my age range that loved these movies back when they were new, but now find them out-of-date and objectionable. Oddly, it was younger viewers discovering these 'outdated' movies for the first time who would defend them against the people who grew up with them. ..So that was my original point. Short of new "directors cuts", "special editions" or George Lucas-like updatings, those movies of the 70s and 80s will always remain the same - it's the audiences that have changed over time. I can put my DVD of "Hair" in the player and it's the same movie I saw (twice) back in 1979. My tastes and attitudes towards the movie might possibly change, but the movie has stayed the same. Thankfully with that particular film I still love it. Today I just wonder how it got a PG instead of an R. : - )
@@raymondsmith6870 Sure, but then u have Godfather which is better than any movie made for gen z generation
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Some movies like books do work for everyone.
@@raymondsmith6870 "modern audiences of millennials and gen Z" is a really good description of Hell.
I watched both Deadpool movies in one sitting accompanied by an pizza and an bag of popcorn I was amazed by how everyone loved this character and the dedication of Ryan Reynolds putted all his energy and writing into the movies.
My experience started of being nervous at first then it got way better and easier as it went along until I couldn’t stop laughing and I didn’t realize that Josh Brolin who played Thanos in the infinity saga also played Cable in these Deadpool films that surprised me.
Star Trek the Motion Picture has aged well… amazing how timely it is today…. appreciate it as an adult despised it as a child
I actually think it's more, Movies You Couldn't Make Now, which would be rather eye-opening.
I think you should revisit Star Trek: Beyond. It's actually a pretty good Star Trek movie.
I really like JJ’s Alias and Fringe. His 1st ST was good. Beyond I couldn’t finish watching despite several tries
Huge shoutout to you, Maggie, in Side Scrollers latest podcast show. Chris Gore, who’s a big fan of yours, was on the show, and I left a superchat near the end telling Chris to have you on his show sometime, and he would LOVE to! Absolutely!
Where are the comments that she's reading from? I don't see a previous video she asked for responses in. I'd like to one day participate in these discussions.
I saw Nemesis in theatres twice because after my first viewing I was convinced I must have missed something. After my second viewing I left the theatre with a heavy heart, unsure whether to be more frustrated with the film and its treatment of so many beloved characters or with the time and money I wasted to learn that they really are only shadows on a cave wall; there’s nothing else.
I liked Ship Of Theseus when it came out and half a decade later but I’m scared to rewatch it in case it did age badly
Sometimes I like to watch dated movies because they serve as a timecapsule for an era. A lot of Judd Apatow movies are like that for me. They are very 2000s humor.
Some movies get better with time: 6th Sense, Jurassic Park, 40 Year old Virgin, Jaws, MASH, Hair, Shakespeare in Love, Back to the Future, and last but not least The Godfather 1
The 6th sense hahahaha. MASH has dated terribly.
I don't like to the term personally. As a fan of old musical films I would argue that 'An American in Paris' and 'South Pacific' are still classics regardless of time. Even if almost no one from a more recent generation watches them. I can argue for film-noir classics as their technique and style were classic for the genre when done with perfection. Techniques with lighting can camera angles that were break through creative processes but are less impressive to generations raised on special effects and technology. I think there are too many arguments for 'did not age well' that are narrowly focused. Almost too casual to dismiss Art and the artist's intent and contribution.
The 1958 film of South Pacific? Was that ever good? It massacred a great Broadway show.
@@Tolstoy111 Dostoevsky was better than Tolstoy. Fish pies and vodka for everyone!
@@NomadicBrian He was great but nope
@@Tolstoy111 The film was a classic. Says I.
@@Tolstoy111 But to talk about that film as aging well is pointless.
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Hey Maggie did you change the tier lists on Patreon?
Good shout out to Observe and Report, it is a dark hidden taxi driver comedy. Surprised super woke and entrenched in thr narrative Seth Rogan went that direction
What did you think the subject was in The Blindside?
Some films honestly don’t age well, but the term is applied way too liberally today. For example it’s idiotic to say a film didn’t age well that is accurately reflecting the attitudes, or culture of the time or place it is taking place in just because a person doesn’t like those attitudes, etc. You can’t nor should you ever whitewash history.
Garden State is the first movie that comes to mind
Can't believe I never noticed that frame from the Cowboy Bebop movie medina scene 😮👌
Bout as accurate a description of Seth McFarlane I've ever heard 😅
For me is there something about Mary. It's not bad at all but I saw it for the first time in theaters when I was 17.
Now that I'm in my 40s it's just cringe the idea of a bunch of dudes going out of their way to get this one woman. That's the joke of course and Ben Stiller's character makes for a great foil against all of that, but it's a perfect example of Decades of life experience allowing you to judge characters much much differently
Soylent Green is so 70's......costumes, hair styles, all screamed 1973. No effort was made to make you feel you were looking into the future, whereas Blade Runner sucked you right in and you actually felt you were viewing the world of 2019. That also goes for the sets. Cheap, cheap, cheap.
Strong toned shoulders. Your yoga practice is paying off.
What’s interesting is that science-fiction films don’t age well (as technology advances) but 19th or early 20th Century Westerns do (as director’s work towards authenticity more-so than Westerns of the past.)
Compare “High Plains Drifter” (which feels rather modern in tone even for an early 70’s film) to something like “The Homesman” (2014) in which the hardships of life in the Old West are deeply dove into; you can practically taste the dust the characters routinely sweep off their floors, which choke their crops, etc.
Metropolis remains significantly better than any of the 1920s-1950s westerns.
Also do you mean 20th/21st century?
High Plains Drifter not that good. Rips off better films too.
Topic suggestion, the opposite to this video - how about films that age like fine wine. - Although I've always loved it, Before Sunset moves me more and more, each time I watch and pick up on more subtleties. These days I can't get past the scene in the car without being in tears, this.never used to happen when first seeing it. I'm sure I could come up with more suggestions under this heading, though Sunset was the first to come to mind.
I'm starting to think that the term guilty pleasure is a term we use when we realize how subjective the enjoyment of a film is and how much we really don't know about what does or does not make a good movie. We say "this" is what a good movie is, and then along comes a movie that pretty much informs us that we are full of shit.
90% of all movies people think are bad today were actually never good to begin with but people loved them when they were young and dumb, lacked life experience and much needed perspective. When all the hoopla dies about this and that "actor/actress" and Cult Movie X which "defines a generation" people start viewing it with a more open mindset.
American Pie set the coming of age genre back at least a decade.
I guess the next topic is movies that aged surprisingly well, like movies that weren't supposed to be anything special when they came out but have had long shelf lives and still entertain new generations. I'm thinking Flash Gordon specifically. When I saw that movie I was a kid and it was a silly fun movie, but every time I've seen it since, I had to stop and just watch the whole thing and damn it's still fun.
Whiplash
"The Net," starring Sandra Bullock, didn't age well. I think it is because the premise was based upon technology that was current at the time. Let's compare it to "You've Got Mail," which came out around the same time. "You've Got Mail" also utilizes a technological innovation in its story, but it is not *necessary* to the plot (it is, after all, a remake of an older film that used snail mail). "The Net," however, seems to seek to be a techno-thriller, with an emphasis on "techno," but the technology was outdated within the decade. We can also compare it to "Blade Runner," in which technology is critical to the plot. Even though the film takes place in 2019, it doesn't feel dated even though the predictions of future technology were quite off. I think this is because "Blade Runner" was supposed to be speculative fiction whereas "The Net" was about how cool the technology at the time of making was. I suspect that the appeal in 1995 came from the fact that the WWW was just coming into public use. Now that everybody has technology on their phones that is far superior to that in the movie, the idea that what the characters were using is "high tech" is laughable. I think that if somebody today were to make a movie about computer networking set in 1995, it might be better since we have a couple decades of perspective, and the use of technology in the film could focus on how characters overcome the technological limitations rather than be an attempt to teach the normies about computer nerd subculture.
The Net is just a bad movie in general. Very predictable & not that interesting of a plot. Same can be said about Pelican Brief, Enemy of the State. I think Face/Off would be an interesting movie to revisit. I haven’t watched it in at least 15 years. I have a feeling it didn’t age well. I think the movies that focus on cinematography & capturing atmosphere always age better. In other words, you can tell they were made with quality in mind. It’s not so much what you are watching, but how you feel when watching it.
Star Trek reboot: Only young people need apply. Nobody on the bridge out of their twenties. Are all old people dead in this era? Does experience mean nothing when it comes to running a starship?!?! Also, it suffers from CGI overdose syndrome like most of the action movies today. I'm watching old westerns now, and the great stunt work in them beats the hell out of CGI, for realism. I'm sick of CGI, and I wonder whether stunt people are able to make a living in today's Hollywood.
Some of the reboot actors were older in filming than the originals were when the Sixties series was made.
I respectfully disagree (with maybe the entire Universe) about A Million Ways to Die in the West, which I still find very funny and the chemistry between McFarlane and Charlize Theron to be quite strong. Nobody I know likes this movie. Happy to claim it for my own ------Still. 😎
Watched that Star Trek movie with my aunt in theaters and we were both terribly disappointed
The Dark Knight Rises, loved it when it released. Rewatched it again after a few years, found it to be one of the dumbest superhero movie of all time.
That movie always had mixed reception, though.
The Dark Knight is quite dumb. The Joker's planned to get caught... did he? or was it just necessary because the plot had nowhere to go.
Another example, Batman jumps out the window after Rachael and they both lie there while the Joker is upstairs with a room full of vulnerables still looking for Dent.
@@dsmyify and let's not forget Honk Kong police respond and climb 25-30 floors of stairs within 2.5 minutes 🤣🤣.
Was just randomly thinking about this one-- Three Men and a Baby (1987). Its not that it didn't necessarily age well, but more like the cringe is very palpable nowadays. I can't put it into words, but the fact that it was such a huge hit when it was released is amazing to me today!
Pretty much every MCU movie (besides the Guardians movies) did not age well. Looking back at them, most of them look really fake and cheesy. When their hype died off their appeal and re-watchability just isn't there anymore.
I was about 8 when I watched The Adventures of Pluto Nash with Eddie Murphy, and I absolutely loved it. I know it’s considered one of the worst movies of all time, and I’m sure if I watched it now it wouldn’t age well for me personally, so I might never watch it again to preserve the memory.
"I could talk about Star Trek forever." Good girl 🥰 🖖
I didn't know you were a Trekkie. Wonders never cease.
I watched this Deepfocuslens video when it first came out. My opinion is that it hasn't aged well.
Please talk about Star Trek!! I love it, one of my favourite series ever, if not my favourite. At least until Enterprise, I am not counting any more recent tv shows.
space may be fake. we may be living under a solid dome.
Her comment about propaganda resonated with me a lot.
I've said the same thing many times before. Just because something is propaganda doesn't mean it's bad. I can think of three examples of terrific propaganda, and their intended messages, right off the top of my head: _Top Gun_ (Join the Military; Be all you can Be), _The Untouchables_ (Sometimes the cops _have_ to behave like the gangsters they claim to be catching), and Season 2 of _24_ (trust the intelligence community, even if they start blatantly violating the constitution; they're getting the bad guys). All three of those properties are worth the watch and they are damn good pieces of entertainment... just so long as you don't demand your community reflect their ideals.
Top Gun? Even Tom Cruise admitted that it's a fantasy and not serious political propaganda. Heck I've always though it was a pretty satiricial look at the macho Reagan-era American jingoism it was made in the midst of.
@@M.H.I.A.F.T. I will stand by my statement about _Top Gun._ In fact, I'll go so far as to say that _Top Gun_ is the prime example of how to do pro-military propaganda well.
It is one of the films made with the blessing and support of the US military (and for those who don't know, they are notorious for demanding to edit scripts that their equipment appears in). But unlike many films that get US military support, and equipment, this one _doesn't_ rely on demonizing another nation to make people want to join the military.
That's because the point of the film is not to be pro _war_ propaganda, but pro _military._ And in _that_ respect, it passes with flying colours, because _Top Gun_ makes it look fun as hell!
Garden State from 2004, not sure why I ever liked this movie but it has aged like Chinese food left out for 2 weeks during the summer. It's trying so hard to be corky and this indie movie but really is pretentious. Also, I completely agree with you on Seth MacFarlane after watching him in some recent interviews, the guy does come off as really smug, if you don't have the same politics as him, he looks down on you and he has been in that Hollywood bubble for so many years now.
This isn't about movies aging well, it's about if you liked the movie in the first place.
Well this isn't necessarily true. It's usually more coming down to you as she says. You just grow out of it, it's not bad it just doesn't reflect you and what you like and what you relate to afterwards.
@@jamesbotha5360 I can't think of one movie that I ever liked that I still don't like. And some movies have improved with age.
From what i see, directors are clear to there vision of creation and production as a way of invitation of their project responsibly or caricaturly sorta say on it. We as a viewer bud up at the scene of their middle of their career. Soon after we plugged our self to question, is it really an work of labor of love or labor of a means to an end. Wanting to love and love to wanted are ❤ everything i known for sure.
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I recently re watched Dances with Wolves which I remember liking it a lot. Jesus I did it recently and it bored the arse off me. Kevin Cosner kept knocking himself out all the time.
Stripes. It feels unfair to pick an early 80s comedy, as comedies in general do not age well. Stripes, however, had the whole 40th anniversary celebration and re-release in theatres treatment which makes it fair game, imho. Just because something was once popular (5th highest grossing film in domestic US cinemas in 1981) does not mean it has remained relevant and with Stripes, the cringe is real.
You're in the minority
That's what's great about opinions. They're just opinions.@@liampatrick3110
The last 20 minutes of that movie are so meandering and pointless.
Often it is the effects that don't really hold up. I remember watching iRobot recently and some scenes felt like PS2 cutscenes, which I remember looking much better! :D
One critic said the young man in Blind Side was the McGuffin that the white family had to deal with and I thought that was pretty accurate.
Horrible Bosses is a good comedy that has aged as well or better than most comedies.
And here are a few movies that DO age well:
_Coma_ (1978) For anyone interested in history of medicine. Medicine was a very different profession in the late 1970s, when computers were new (for all industries except defense and academic math). The changes are interesting, and they matter, a lot.
_Day of the Dead_ (1985) The third in the original zombie-apocalypse trilogy which began with _Night of the Living Dead_ (1968). This one, the third installment, is obviously a commentary on HIV/AIDS and the tension between the patients and vulnerable community (who persistently and loudly demanded rapid progress) and the scientists (who kept having to point out that there is no such thing as rapid progress in science, which is still true: even Operation Warp Speed depended on a great deal of slow, tedious work which had been done previously.)
_The Manchurian Candidate_ (1962) Yes, the Republican Party is being run by the Russians, and yes, they are planning to use it to take over the USA.
_Dr. Strangelove, or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb_ (1964) It was true then and it's true now: a chain of command is only as sane as its least-sane link.
There is a point where something that looks or feels dated can become “retro”. Flash Gordon movie I hated at the time however now I enjoy. Is it good? Not really.
I can revisit The Help over and over again. I think it's classic.
The best part of Ted was the theme song. Norah Jones surprised me with that one
To really put this discussion to the test, try watching a Mary Pickford film from the era of the First World War. Get your own nostalgia out of the equation. Watch something utterly foreign to you and try to determine if anything aged poorly. And these movies aren't like "Birth of a Nation" in terms of content, so there's no easy answer upfront, either. Try watching "A Little Princess" from I think it was 1916. First you have to burst through the idea that you're watching an entirely different medium - Silent films are films, but not in the sense we know. The "quality" ain't gonna be great, it's not 60fps. And you're watching a movie made from an entirely different era with entirely different assumptions. Movies like "Poor Little Rich Girl" are literally Edwardian, from Edwardian novels. It's more than a century old. Many of Pickford's films were critically acclaimed (she got in trouble when she tried playing more "modern" women), and some were colossal successes. So, what out of these ancient artifacts can escape the "hasn't aged well" cesspool? Anything? That will be your determination, but to say things like "Blind Side" and "Star Trek 2009" haven't "aged well" is pretty silly, and wrong, because these movies weren't good to begin with, as Maggie says. "Blind Side" was an expensive Lifetime movie and they had to take the Trek out of "Star Trek" to make that a hit - I don't know what that says about either Trek or its audiences, but the studio nonetheless had to change the basic essence of the material to make money.
Oh, I can tell you right away. Anything WOKE like INDIANA JONES 5 or GHOSTBUSTERS 2016 won't age well. Classics like RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK , TEMPLE OF DOOM , LAST CRUSADE , and GHOSTBUSTERS (1984) are timeless.
Not aging well doesn't actually mean that a movie is offensive now. Granted, that is true for many of the 80s movies which were depicting sexual harassment and even r@pe as good clean fun (Ghostbusters, Revenge of the Nerds) but there are also old movies that suck like Mrs. Miniver which must have wowed them all in the 40s but is just hokey schmaltz now.
Please explain to me where Ghostbusters depicts r@pe as 'good clean fun'.
Still waiting for an explanation, Timmy-boy.
I bet Everything Everywhere All At Once won't age well. Frankly I think it's crazy overrated & the amount of awards it won absurd. I mean, Michelle Yeoh winning Best Actress over a performance like Blanchett's in Tar shows how ridiculous the Academy is. They care more about being seen as more diverse now anyway. Most of the Best Picture winners of the last 20 years aren't that fondly remembered anyway. You could just say the Academy Awards hasn't aged well. LOL
Totally agree, i would add the overrated and forgettable Oscar winners of the last years, who remembers about the green book? Coda? The shape of water? Are they really Oscar worthy?
@@Annayasha The Shape of Water is Oscar-worthy. It was one of the more interesting Hollywood movies that has come out in recent years. I didn't see Coda but it sounded a bit forced to me. The Green Book was enjoyable but not really best picture quality but it's fairly accessible so I can imagine it being popular still.
Tár was seriously overlooked and devalued by lots of people. Kate was phenomenal. It was a standout film for me. Everything Everywhere All At Once was pretty good, but did not live up to the expectations that where set by critics and the oscars. Not bad, just not great (or Tár)
@terrortower666 Tar is excellent & Blanchett her usual outstanding self. One of the all-time greats she is, I love her as an actress. It's criminal she lost but I tend not to agree with the Oscars a lot anyway. Aftersun & All Of Us Strangers are two of my favourite films of recent years & they snubbed both. 🤷♂️
@@NoirFan84 Yes another two great examples right there, love both of them myself. In all honesty I do not take the oscars seriously these days at. Just bought and paid for marketing imo. Also your profile pic seems familiar, what film is that taken from?
Movies don't age well for those that are soft.
Some times that's true. And sometimes they don't age well because they're bad in one way or another.
that first comment didn't age well. wouldn't curmudgeons be the ones who like things in general that haven't aged well? and what's ADHD got to do with it?