I'm from NZ, I find this situation hilarious. The fact u get up in arms about a lil war dance is ridiculously stupid, come play rugby where the Allblacks have been doing the haka for the last hundred years, getting away with throat slitting n tongue poking (which means I'm gonna eat you) after demolishing all before them. I'll let u in on a secret, the proper response is to challenge him back, who cares if it's waltzing Matilda or tie me kangaroo down.... Challenge him back. Anyway just need to chill out. One love people
Jerome Matthews You make a very interesting point man. I just wonder, if 'challenged back' the aboriginal community would not cite racism ? Say, a white man kicking a goal, doing a dance created by a white man then figuratively shooting a rifle at a predominately aboriginal crowd. I'm not saying they would or wouldn't care, I'm just wondering.
The difference is mate, white people aren't, and never have been a persecuted people in Australia, arguably anywhere, in terms of race. So it's not comparing apples with apples. The white man in your example is just a dick, that has no understanding or empathy for the issues.
If that is your opinion, then ok. History says you are wrong, but ok. You are entitled to believe whatever you want to. Maybe the white man in my example is a dick, as you put it. I was just trying to make a comparison, being that Goodes actions were apparently not racially motivated. Your answer stating that a white man committing the same actions, but in reverse would be lacking 'understanding and empathy for the issues' suggests that maybe Goodes conduct WAS racially motivated. Australians are very aware of what happened and are, in the majority, regretful of what happened and have acknowledged this feeling publicly - I question what further action it would take to sooth this animosity Aboriginals harbor towards the white community.
Ethan Boyd give back stolen land and resources, that would then make the aboriginals the financial elite of this country. could you imagine that what would Gina think???
I don't think the war dance was an issue, I think it's great, if Goodes was in a final and kicked a goal to put the swans up I'm all for it but when you're playing a team that's bottom of the ladder, just had their coach sacked, their three best players out through injury, knowing it's going to be a blow out win and running up to their supporters like he did, that is just bad sportsmanship, he made that moment all about himself and deserved to be booed afterwards, as with the hawthorn game when you're flailing around for free kicks like he was you're going to get booed, lots of other players have and it wasn't turned into an exaggerated problem, as a Collingwood supporter I've seen it first hand when Didak was playing, he was booed for who he was not what he was, and that is exactly the same as with Goodes.
John Smith It was the Indigenous Round! It had nothing to do with the opposition. He made the moment all about Australian Aboriginals. Way to miss the point of the war dance entirely, John.
I understand it was the indigenous round, what I don't understand is why he aimed it at the Carlton supporters and made it solely about himself? Why couldn't he have organised to perform the dance before the game and make it a spectacle since it was obviously pre meditated? Why didn't he get the young men who showed him the dance to perform it with him, I'm sure that would've been a great experience for them and a great way to promote their indigenous heritage, and isn't that what it's about? When you're in such a privileged position as Adam Goodes is, giving back to the community and doing as much as you can for those less fortunate should be your number one agenda, yet he puts himself and his issues first constantly, there's a lot of people going through greater abuse than just some Bronx jeers from opposition supporters.
This is kind of funny, both of these 2 are in their respective positions because they are tokens. The reason people hate the pair of them is because they are arrogant and divisive.
Why delete the racist comments? I am Aboriginal and I am happy they put themselves on display for the World to see. Trust me, after years of nothing but denialism and excuses from Australians the World is now watching with keen interest
I'm a 'white' person and am totally offended by any suggestion I am racist because I am white. I share as little with the next white person as the next any person. Stop telling 'white' people they owe someone an apology. Anyone who is racist should be dealt with by themselves. I'm part of the human race not the white race. Further stop telling me I am a lesser Australian than indigenous people. I have never been anywhere else and contribute just as much to this country as every other person. It's very clear there are people falling over themselves to proclaim all whites as racist. Yes some are, and they live a lesser live for it. But I'm sick and tired of having this garbage of racism as an inbuilt feature of white DNA poured down my throat. Good luck to Adam goodes but any fool who suggest 100% of people are racist is clearly not being sensible. Leave the guy alone. Hold individuals responsible for their own actions and try to be happy.
Rationalist Society You are reading into it too much. I do not know why you are thinking that they are suggesting that every white person is racist. No one is saying you are a lesser Australian than an Indigenous person, but that you acknowledge that they should be recognised in the constitution and that they were the first people of this land. Take a bex and have a nice lie down Michael Josiah
+Tamika Josiah recognising people differently in the constitution is racist. Are you seriously telling me a constitution should reflect race origins. Wow. Just wow. Nobody should ever be reflected before or more than any other persons in the founding law of any land. By the way Adam Goodes father is white.
+Zephyr Trading your ignorance is funny. You are aware there are white Africans. Due to the albino condition we indeed find white Africans. This shows just how irrelevant skin colour is. It's meaningless much like your comment.
Rationalist Society Michael Josiah here. So you think that recognising and acknowledging Indigenous People as the first people of this land, something that NZ and Canada do is racist!!! Are you serious? Is Adam Goodes saying that White people should be disadvantaged, no. Is Adam Goodes saying that Blacks should be given more rights than whites, no. It does not matter that Adam Goodes father is white. Adam Goodes and society sees him as black!!! He has suffered racism and I bet the vast majority of that is from whites. And they are not going to say when he is abused, oh A Goodes has a white father so we should ease up. Again Rationalist, no one is saying you are less of an Australian that an Indigenous person , no effing one. I suggest you read his Australian Day speech transcript. Geez you are severely touchy about this, making assumptions up that just do not exist!!!
Speak for yourself Waleed Aly. Throwing an imaginary spear at someone is provocation from any way you look at it. Jetta performed a cultural dance that I applauded him for a few weeks after this. As Australian of the year, he should have united us but instead divided us. Whatever side of the fence people sit on, the fact is we are a divided country.
+Lyell Allen One Adam Goodes did not throw the spear, he raised his arm but did not make a throwing action, he lunged towards the crowd. Yes we are divided, unfortunately the division has always been there.
Lyell Allen Yes it would be provocation, but he hasnt walked up to one person and point a "spear" at them, he clhallenged 2,000 suppoerts with is learned dance from an U18 Indigenous team.
It does seem very unusual. Especially considering that The Maori's in New Zealand do a war dance before every game. Also I think the fact that he did a war cry in a televised sporting event is awesome! Sport is a spectacle.
Syndiccalls The Maori haka is done to intimidate the opposition but the opposition is. It allowed to make a suitable return, heck hoe England copped a fine for doing the wedge at the RWC last year
Adam Goodes has done three things here that seem to have upset so many. 1. He defended himself by calling out a racist remark 2. He reminded Australia of the terrible history it has with its Aboriginals. 3. He did a dance at a football game.
cdgh99 I agree with all of that. One thing, how old was the person he called out though? If they were an adult, yes I am behind that 100%, but If it was a teenager.. you are doing far more psychological harm by calling out that person.
streamofkuntishness It is clear to me that the teenager is responsible for causing psychological harm to Goodes. She and her family need to be de-programmed and re-educated.
cdgh99 Do you have any proof or evidence that this was the only motivation for even 1% of the crowd booing in Perth? You know any actual facts beyond your own sanctimonious anti -establishment sentiment? Of course you don't. Your judging people based on absolutely no evidence, the very definition of prejudice. Fighting perceived prejudice with actual prejudice, congratulations you're officially an idiot.
amazingtalkinghorse quite obvious you don't have children who spout whatever they're thinking then. It is obvious that your demeanor at a game of football is that of a perfect gentleperson, U B A Tosser and worst o all - a hypocritical fibber
What a fantastic bunch of comments. Pretty clear that some of you hate Goodes. But let me help you out here: 1. Not booing other Aboriginal players does not make it not racist to boo Goodes. 2. Goodes, and any other indigenous person, has probably put up with enough racism, and doesn't have to cop it anymore. Not from 13 year olds. Or forum warriors. 3. If actually saying something about indigenous heritage, dispossession and racism makes you feel uncomfortable, it is possible (likely) that YOUR point of view has some flaws in it. 4. It is not culturally insensitive for Goodes to identify as Aboriginal, or do a war dance. I have no idea how any white Australian could possibly conceive that as undermining or diminishing them. 5. Attacking Waleed Aly won't make it all go away. 6. You may think he is a wanker, but the biggest wanker in the game? Is he really? I reckon he's not even the biggest wanker in the Sydney team. If you think Goodes gets about like he's better than everyone, then you've got a massive chip on your shoulder, and he is better than you. The rest of us, you know, we can take it. There are bigger egos in the world than Goodes. 7. Past his best? What do you care, you hate the Swans, admit it. If he's past his best, he's dragging the team down, surely? Goodes' selection is a matter for Horse, not a hook for booing. And no, Sydney fans do not boo Goodes. He's so obviously better than the 22nd best Sydney player, ie. Lloyd or Brandon Jack or Towers, that it isn't worth raising as a factor. 8. Staging for frees, well that's a thin allegation, notably unsubstantiated by any actual named occurrences. Every week you can see Selwood get a couple of frees ducking his head. I don't think you should boo Selwood either, but to suggest Goodes' is notably the worst in the AFL, and THAT's why you boo him is just laughable. 9. Some of the people who boo are pantomime booing, like how crowds treat Stuart Broad, the cricketer. The problem is, this is a cover for the latent (and patent) racists to take the opportunity to boo (what they see as) an uppity black. Probably some of those sorts of people have already posted in these comments. Doesn't say much for Australian society, that we are still having a debate about booing an Aboriginal man, where quite clearly, for some individuals, Goodes' race is a factor in those individuals choosing to boo. If you want to boo, no one can stop you. But don't pretend it has nothing to do with racism.
***** what, so you welcome diversity of opinion BUT..... that's like saying 'im not racist BUT....' waleed aly is another person who has an inferiority complex because he's of a different race, culture or religion and feels as though he's being given a rough time so he wants to shake his fist at the white man for being so successful. He has literally never said anything that impressed me, he is another shill for wealth redistribution and diversity so he can have a better position in life for himself, rather than producing value for the rest of the world to enjoy.
epicwinguyz That is one of the best and truest comments I have ever read on youtube. You hit the nail on the head and summed up the typical immigrant Australian born attitude towards white Australia. They act like we owe them a living and they feel entitled to an easier ride because they are immigrants. This Waleed guy is a prime example of left wing immigrant attitude.
It's his opinion and his take on the situation. Given his ethnic background, and taking into account my own personal experience, I believe he knows of what he speaks and he's absolutely right... unless you think he should just stay quiet and get 'back in his box'...
Waleed Aly I have to disagree when you say that Goodes is a 'minority'. If by minority you mean an aboriginal Australian then a multi million dollar footballer, Australian of the year then ok. The problem here isn't about him being aboriginal. Does Cyril Rioli get booed because he is aboriginal? No. There is an underlying factor here, which in my opinion is this. Goodes is a legend of the game, and quite rightly stands up for his heritage proudly. He has crossed the line however. You don't single out a 13 yr old girl in the middle of a football game, and call her "the face of racism in Australia". When given one of the highest honours in our country (Australian of the year), you don't use that as a platform to smear and denigrate the country you grew up in like you have. Why is it that if you perform some "tribal war dance" and act to throw a spear that is seen as fine, yet if another person (for the sake of argument hes white) kicks a goal and gives the finger or pretends to shoot the ball or the crowd holding an imaginary firearm that would be seen as crossing the line and not in the spirit of the game? Please explain the difference. They are both aggressive actions towards the crowd, but because you describe it as a cultural symbol you get off? I appreciate what you have done in your career and your passion for being a great aboriginal representative, but you get booed because you have gone way too far.
Maxim Lekov Being a one off as an Aboriginal millionaire footballer/Australian of the year makes him even more of a minority. Cyril Rioli says next to nothing to the media. Off the field he is rather passive if anything. This is what Waleed is suggesting. That it is Goodes proud OUTWARD nature that has led to the booing by fans. And as racism is learnt a 13year old is the face of racism. Because the generations before should not have taught her it and it is the continuation of racism that is most concerning.
KRUDD1992 waleed was using the term minority to describe someone who seems to have no voice and when given one gets booed for it, which is hardly the case with Adam Goodes. So the fact Rioli is rather passive proves my point that its got nothing to do with being aboriginal, but with the actual actions of the individual doesn't it? Its fine to have a proud outward nature as you put it, but could you please tell me the difference between what Goodes did (directed at the Carlton Supporters) and pretending to be shooting off into the crowd after he kicks the goal (which would certainly get a player suspended or fined) ? So to make a generalised blanket statement such as the one Goodes did regarding the European rape and pillage of Aboriginals, he then publicly humiliates a 13yr old girl and calls her "the face of racism" in my opinion, is an absolute disgrace. Oh and for the record, I have been called an 'ape' when I was 17 by racial minority groups because I was hairy, I thought it was quite funny and in no way racist. Just because Goodes takes offence to that, does he have a right to publicly humiliate a 13yr old girl in front of millions of people? absolutely not.
Adam Goodes is part of a minority group. Wealth does not erase his Aboriginality. That 13 year old was a true representation of racism in Australia. Let's make snide remarks about Aboriginals and hide behind "i'm not racist", "lighten up", "political correctness gone too far". How are YOU (presumably a white male) able to dictate what is and is not racism/offensive? How are you able to say that something is less than it is? White Australia has NO say in the way Aboriginals should behave/feel/react. Sit down white man, "white" Australia is getting woke and watching you all squirm in discomfort is by far the most amusing part.
Beth P How does it make any sense to say a 13 year old is a true representation of racism in Australia? She even said it wasn't because he was aboriginal. Are you telling me there is a difference between myself getting called 'ape' because I was hairy, and adam goodes getting called one by a 13yr old? The only difference I see is one of us using it as an excuse to publicly humiliate a 13 yr old girl who cannot be fully held accountable. She was interviewed by police for god's sake. I have no angst/anger towards any other races/religions whatsoever, my main concern is the way in which this was handled by a public figure such as Goodes. Like I said before, he gets booed NOW because of the way he is going about it, NOT because he is aboriginal. Indigenous round is about all coming together, to break down racial walls etc. not to use it as an opportunity to incite Carlton supporters which he clearly meant to do. Then people wonder why he gets booed? "Sit down white man", wow now whos the racist.......oh sorry I cant say that because that would be seen as being racist
Maxim Lekov Minority - the smaller number or part, especially a number or part representing less than half of the whole. Waleed was using the term to describe Aboriginals. Goodes is an aboriginal. Therefore a part of a minority. Cyril Rioli has never voiced an opinion. It is beyond irrelevant to compare the two to form an argument against Waleed, unfortunately for you it just further validates it. The obvious difference between what Goodes did and shooting into the crowd is one is a culturally specific dance, performed during a culturally specific round of football. When we have a hunter, sniper or soldier round then I imagine it'll be comparable. Until then the two again are incomparable. Children expressing racist views are the face of racism. Because racism is taught and that is was needs to be stopped. It's easier to not teach racism then it is to expect learnt behaviors to be forgotten. And in this case the 13 year old was aiming it at an aboriginal man, whose race was involved in an attempted assimilation, because they were thought of and treated as sub-human. I don't imagine your race was. And yes as we are in Australia and Australian laws make it illegal for people to engage in racist activity or to encourage, incite or permit racist acts to occur he was well within his rights to do and say what he said.
Ever since he bravely got security to frog march a 13yo girl out of a ground because she hurt his feelings, Adam Goodes hasn't shut up about racism and cultural sensitivity.... then he goes and pulls a stunt like that. Charging towards "white people" in the crowd waving a spear. Did he think that might have been a bit culturally insensitive in the other direction? The reaction in the ensuing days has got ZERO to do with "get back in your box" and everything to do with Goodes being a fat head hypocrite. You can't compare it with Michael Long's stance or Nicky Winmar and that famous photograph. Completely different things done for completely different reasons. Furthermore, the public's reactions were completely different. Waleed is full of shit.
***** Or what if a 13yo girl in the crowd waved an imaginary spear at Adam Goodes while making OOGA BOOGA noises? Do you think the big cry baby would have 2 burly security goons march her out of the ground? Heh heh.
Back when he stood up after winning the Brownlow with Bucks and Roo, he was a champion in everyone's eyes... In years to follow I don't recall stadiums of people "booing" him... something changed in recent years after he made a stand against racism, and has since leveraged his celebrity to bring to light the issues being faced in our country of systemic and engrained "racism" and "discrimination" - two words that make MANY people feel "uncomfortable", but what I think is the biggest issue of just straight out ignorance and avoidance of tougher conversations that can lead toward change. He's got a voice, who cares if you don't agree with everything he says or how he says it - we need more people to open up these conversations... it's not easy for someone to do, he talks about things that make people "uncomfortable" and the knee jerk reaction is defensiveness and shooting him down because they don't like someone making them feel "uncomfortable" - People should allow themselves to feel "uncomfortable" long enough, without reacting with knee jerk responses, to actually understand what it is within themselves that is making them "uncomfortable" - that's where change comes from.
Fionn Griffin Michael Long [one of the analogies Waleed uses in his, erm, argument] never got booed. Nicky Winmar never got booed after his "incident". In fact, Nicky Winmar is a freaken champion in my book, for that one act so perfectly captured on film. There are plenty of people having "uncomfortable conversations" who aren't complete hypocritical fat headed floggers. "What Adam Goodes is screams so loud I can't hear what he is saying."
Fionn GriffinVery well written Fionn, however, I disagree with people being uncomfortable simply because they are not used to dealing with these issues. You can also be uncomfortable in situations in which it is quite right to be, because of the actions of another have gone too far. In my opinion, Goodes has only increased negative behaviour regarding racial equality in Australia, because, in my opinion, he goes too far with it. Did he really have to single out a 13yr old girl and call her "the face of racism in Australia". I don't think so. Ive been called an ape from other ethnic minorities because im hairy, but I didn't consider that racist or derogatory. Sure, its very natural for people to feel uncomfortable when dealing with confronting things, and I for one think Adam Goode's campaign for equality is (at its very core) a very good thing, but there are right ways to go about it, and there are wrong ways, and in my opinion hes certainly now going the wrong way.
Sporting traditions have to begin somewhere, and the great Adam Goodes has started a new one. I hope from now on that EVERY Indigenous player expresses their aboriginality after scoring a goal, whether it is a war dance, crawling goanna or anything else they feel like doing. Start a great new sporting tradition. In a few years time it will be as normal and as entertaining as watching the All Blacks doing the Haka.
There probably will be more of it but it wont take a few years time to be normal, its not abnormal now. But in a few years time many people will still think goodes is a wanker and others will still say he's only hated because he's black. Its going to take a long time before this kind of ridiculous argument is a thing of the past
***** You don't think they already do? So many sporting games with the national anthem flying a flag with British Union Jack, nothing wrong with it, but I'd say white people get to celebrate their heritage in a public way all the time.
I have no issue with what Goodes did, i have an issue with people like Waleed who will claim everything is a cultural attack. Goodes was booed by Carlton supporters as his celebration was directed at them. They in turn, as expected, booed Goodes. What do you expect rival fans to do when you direct a celebration at them? Clap and Cheer? Goodes himself said it was directed at the supporters, however he did not feel like it was a big deal which it isnt except for people like Waleed who will use any excuse to find media attention and claim racism. Goodes celebrated his goal, the rival fans booed him. That is where it should have finished.
pukaki brah That's exactly my take-away from this as well. Waleed comes across as just another low IQ, left wing bigot. I don't understand why people actually pay attention to what he says.
pukaki brah It's not a cultural attack, it's a cultural reaction by mainstream Australia to what it considers threatening to it. Note, it's a reaction - it doesn't require forethought: the people who produce such a reaction don't know that they are being racist and/or antagonistic, they are merely the victims of their intellectually and culturally dry upbringing.
pukaki brah "Goodes celebrated his goal, the rival fans booed him. That is where it should have finished." The whole issue is that it didn't finish there! Clearly there is something else happening besides team rivalry.
Warren Andrews There was ZERO ad hominem in Adam Phillips' initial comment. And see that thing in his comment that looked like a question mark: "?" The words preceding that formed a thing called a QUESTION. 0/10 English comprehension for you. Please go and sit at the kiddie's table while the grown-ups debate this.
Warren Andrews There was no personal attack on Waleed Aly, I am just disagreeing with his position and opinion and think it's a load of horseshit. That's not an ad hom attack.
I never really understood the big deal about this whole Adam Goodes war cry business tbh. The man kicked a goal and he celebrated, granted it was an aggressive non-western (because that's what seems to be the issue here) celebration but its an aggressive sport and the celebrations are seldom calm!. Consider this, when there is a punch-on on the field people are hurt and that is bad role modelling for young Aussie kids (you know showing to solve your problems with your fists), yet in the media it's shown as just another scuffle and a good portion of the audience/viewers actually enjoy it. Goodes didn't hurt anyone, he didn't throw an actual spear lol. This is the equivalent of calling the kiwi's murders because they like to do the cut-throat hacka before a game! People need to focus on real issues, this is just a waste of media in all formats. The media has focused on this sorry excuse of an issue more than they did in breaking down the federal budget! Also before any smart ass tries to point out that by me commenting on this video I am in fact further adding to the line of discussion, I know that, however someone needs to voice this 3rd side of the debate, that is many of us don't give a shit.
hopp strange how its only adam goodes copping it though. There plenty of proud aborigines playing professional sport but only goodes is booed because he's black. Selective racism must be a thing
hopp Pretty sure most people just dont like him. Of course some dont like because of his skin colour theres always going to be racists, as long people come from different cultures there will be racists. But to say everyone that doesnt like adam goodes is a bigot is just small minded.
The reason he was booed was because people come to the footy to see footy not a man provoke people by pretending to throw spears at them. Keep politics out of footy. We go to the footy to escape it. He got booed for a good reason
Goodesy was a great footballer and a great human being Shane on the afl for not standing by him in a dark time in his life should have had retired as the champion he is I loved watching him play 4 footballers rolled into one and the world is a better place for Adam being in it
ha ha ha ha.......Aly is a total race ID promoter...who knows nothing about this issue....80% of AFL fans support the booing of Goodes...which has NOTHING to do with his skin colour....
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I really can't stand players being booed (unless they KO'ed someone, etc). Don't like Goodes being booed when he touches the ball, or Watson after the ASADA crap went down, or Jack Watts when he makes any mistake, and many other players. Goodes may not be a great player anymore and he has done some things that make him a bit of a wanker but he still deserves some respect from football goers. It was kinda heartwarming to see Sydney fans try to counteract the boos with cheers, as the Hawks supporters did for Hodgey and Lewis a few weeks back.
Waleed Aly is way off the mark again.He clearly hasn't been to many AFL games and is making huge assumptions. I don't like booing in sports and don't do it myself. But Now that the booing of Adam Goodes in the game against the Eagles is being called racist, I have to make a few points. 1. Goodes has been booed regularly in games before the Eagles match. Are journalists being anti-West Australian by only just noticing it? 2. There were a number of players with indigenous heritage on the field, if the booing was racist, why weren't they all booed? The fact is, booing specific coaches (Sheedy, Malthouse, Hird), and presidents (McGuire, John Elliott), and players (see list), has been happening in the AFL for a long time. To assume that it is racist based simply because the player being booed has dark skin is in itself racist! Here's my small list of players I recall being incessantly booed in the past. - Adam Goodes - for being a prima donna and for calling out a 13 year old girl for making an understandable characterisation, then doing a made up dance which is now being claimed as a traditional war dance which includes miming throwing a spear at the crowd and hitting the fore-arm in an ‘up yours’ gesture. -Ryan Crowley - because of his close and questionable tagging -Tony Libertore - because he was a dirty player, eye gouging -Barry Hall - because he was a dirty player who liked to get in free punches and still played in a grand final. -Chris Judd - booed because he was a good player by none Eagles teams, and then booed because he left the Eagles by Eagles supporters -Ryan Griffen - Booed for leaving the Bulldogs Wayne Carey - booed because he screwed the skippers wife Hayden Ballantyne - A good old fashioned pest disliked by most opposition fans Jeff Farmer - dirty player and he was so annoying celebrating goals Gary Ablett senior - dirty player, and free kicks weren’t called against him Dermott Brereton - a very dirty player hitting behind play, and a prancing knob Ben Cousins - drugs, and wrecking a team Stephen Milne - rape allegations Brendan Fevola - thug and poser Greg Williams - dirty player In May when Goodes was booed by Hawthorn players it was suggested: ‘Some Hawthorn fans suggested on social media on Monday that the booing of Goodes related to an incident in 2013 when Goodes appeared to trip Hawk Josh Gibson with his foot, emphatically denying racism played any part.’ That tripping, and the staging for free kicks that got called out even by an umpire this year, already seem explanation enough for the booing he is getting. But there’s more. Goodes also chose to be divisive, and some people don’t like it. He abused the country as fundamentally racist, led at times by rapists, and some people feel offended at the unjustified slur. He humiliated a 13-year-old girl before the eyes of millions, and some people think that unfair and a bit mean. He called Australia Day, Invasion Day, and that is divisive. Those are actions that would have had any player of any colour booed, too. That Goodes has Aboriginal ancestors should not excuse him from criticism, and especially not after being so critical himself. I don’t like the booing of Goodes one little bit. But I also don’t like people claiming it is racist where none exist.
James Doogue I'm sorry but the only thing that stood out from this comment was that the girl made 'an understandable characterisation'. That says it all about your perspective and opinion: calling an Indigenous Australian an ape is perfectly understandable. So, despite all the justifications in your comment, you just proved Waleed's point there. An underlying discomfort - whether it amounts to 'racism' in your eyes or not, is clearly being released in this whole Goodes issue. It's divisive to stand up for yourself but not divisive to 'boo' the 'Australian of the Year'? He's a bloke who's not fearful, doesn't want to 'put up' with unfair subjugation and is pissed off - I don't blame him. Other indigenous players stay quiet; so of course Goodes will be criticised. Because how dare a minority speak up and trigger any sort of discomfort in the ever-so-pure majority of the Australian population, right? And, Australia Day is a day to celebrate the wonderful values and culture that this country DOES HAVE. But, for people who's families have suffered at a very deep level, it's hard to celebrate a day that reminds them of massacres, stolen generations and the disrespected identity and stance they have in Australia today. Calling Australia Day, Invasion Day may hurt your sentiments but at least you don't have the extremely real memories of the atrocities they've faced - so if you balance it up, maybe just deal with them calling the day whatever they want? Don't mean to disrespect, I understand your point about many players being booed - but Australia is behind when it comes to dealing with its native population and it's time we caught up rather than feed ignorance.
Ah yes, the screams of racism and discrimination are there, by the very same people who dismiss people based on their age, colour and gender. It is ironic that you can't see through your own racist, sexist and ageist position when you think you are taking the high moral ground. And your assumption that I am middle class, which may be true, dismisses the fact that I was raised in poverty, sometimes in foster care, so my views are not developed through the prism of middle class values even if that was remotely relevant!
People who portray this incident as racist such as Beth p are the real racists. Steve Johnson gets booed almost every game for his ego and dodgy tactics (cats supporter) and it's almost identical to this. This should not have ever gone this far but the fact is the media and others thrive off this for attention. Racism is a big problem but not in this incident, Move on and focus on the footy!
Footylegend141 Unfortunately this view is one that gets drowned out in the excitement of going on witch hunts for racists. People don't care about racism they just wanna point the finger. People would rather retaliate than educate.
What I'm finding a bit weird is how as I roll down through the comments on this page, not once do I see aboriginal people being labeled in a racially derogative fashion (which is good). Yet over and over I am reading racial slurs towards white people and nobody doing anything about it (Like the comments being deleted, for instance). Kinda feels like a free for all against white people in here, not a conversation.
Ethan Boyd yeh man, poor white people man, its not fair eh. I'm white and its just like really annoying sometimes, yeh . Go back to bed Ethan you doofus
Ethan Boyd It's not racist to point out that Australians - the overwhelming majority of whom are white - have a serious problem acknowledging that there are injustices with which we have treated indigenous Australians in the past. It's not racist to point out that it's hypocritical to boo Adam Goodes when he has done nothing other than speak his mind, in an honest and respectful fashion, when we cheer footballers who act like absolute yobs.
Ok, point taken. I should be quiet. But please, have fun trying to get beyond actions that happened in the past (that people today (other then racists morons) fully accept were not good choices, which were committed by people who are no longer alive. If the Australian public and government were denying the atrocities of the past altogether, I would probably understand an action like Goodes. But they don't, people - even the government accepts it happened and are regretful for it. Have fun dealing with the consequences and confusion you will go through when you respectfully show your honest opinion about something, by lobbing a metaphorical spear at someone.
Ethan Boyd point taken? If you'd taken the point you wouldn't have posted again. What you are trying to express I'd need to be paid to bother deciphering, but I'm not your tutor so go and take the first point again.
I didn't see the dance. Not because I don't like Adam Goodes (because I do) but because I don't like football. However, the fact that he did dance should mean nothing to the general population. I applaud him for dancing, as most men can't do it. I'm stunned that he received backlash, as he should be able to do anything positive that he feels like, without the vitriol from others.
What if a 13yo girl in the crowd waved an imaginary spear at Adam Goodes while making OOGA BOOGA noises? Do you think the big cry baby would have 2 burly security goons march her out of the ground? Heh heh.
So the bloke that has a PhD from Monash university is also a lawyer, a golden logie winner, writer, a politics lecturer and a co host on a television show among other things thinks his smart?
Perfect comment, again, from Waleed. Sums up the whole arrangement sensationally. Too bad he's too smart, and (sadly) too brown to be PM in this country.
Adam aggravates the opposing team with the dance, throw, elbow gesture. Whatever you interpret that as, it is kind of aggressive. The opposing team is already devastated with the goal scored by the opposition, but this is confrontational. Do others do it, some make a motion, but Adam's is in your face, so I can see that it is annoying. The crowd have now joined up in booing this behaviour. Okay, I do not like it and I am really hurt by news about how much this is impacting Adam. I do believe he is a great guy, so I hope spectators stop this. It is not about racism though, it is just about sport rivalry. We really do respect you as a player Adam, and want you to stay in the game of course.
This is not true at all, adam goodes is a player who should have retired years ago, he starts of as sub almost every game and even sydney fans boo him because he wont pass the torch as it were. adam goodes regularly dives for free kicks and has not been fined or suspended in almost 3 years despite high bumps of players leading to concussions and tripping players, he is a dirty player and and he is very protected by the afl because sydney is a flagship team created to tackle rugbies dominance is NSW and adam goodes is the leader of this. apart from collingwood, sydney is the most hatred team in all of the afl, they are the only team aloud to breach the salary cap, by 10% despite victoria having the most expensive cities to live in. with this extra 10% they found a loophole to give each of their players an extra 10% of their salary to "help them live in an expensive city" they used this to take lance buddy franklin who is on a $1 million a year contract from the club, then every year he gets an extra $100,000 for his allowances.
***** your argument wasn't even about the incident, you've just taken it as an excuse to attack him on some other grounds. I mean, you started by saying 'Not true at all..' supposedly in response to Waleed Aly's comments? then give us your armchair selector stats, none of which are reasoned or even sensible. Just drivel.
the incident was about adam goodes responding to getting booed, i was talking about why people boo him. yes i cherry picked stats, so does everybody who wants to proove a point. waleed aly says that ALL australians are borderline racist if you are apart of the majority, which is just not true, he says "we all" loose our minds when a minority goes against the status quo as it were. this is not true and his whole point is about this. he has compared adam goodes to Michael long which is just unfair to Michael long. he says "we boo our discomfort" NO. we boo adam goodes for the reasons i have already listed. thats my point and you are an idiot for misunderstanding it.
Beth P privileged white male? who built civilization? women are getting power today through political correctness and its the reason we know what panties kim Kardashian has on today on the 6 o'clock news and people like Justin beiber have more power than anyone LOL
He's booed on field because of his bad boorish attitude and behaviour, not because he's part Aboriginal. Pretending to throw a spear at the crowd, now that's not a way to endear the fans! What rubbish, just like the rubbish that comes from the lips of Waleed Aly every time he thinks he needs to share his warped ideology on us.
George Dowd I know right, pretty shocking behaviour by Goodes... celebrating his culture and identity on the indigenous weekend. How dare he throw an imaginary spear at carlton supporters, i hope they weren't imaginary hurt.
George Dowd Pretending to throw an imaginary boomerang as a part of a war dance. As a part of the crowd that night, as Carlton has always been my second favourite AFL team. If you take that the wrong way, you're an idiot. The booing was in poor taste. The fans gestured far worse and said horrendous things and he reacted in a culturally significant way during the indigenous round as opposed to flipping the bird, shooting a gun or any of the other stupid ways AFL players have done in the past. And as far as warped ideology goes....not accepting racism is not warped ideology you Neanderthal, it's called progression as a species. Catch up.
'Part' Aboriginal? Which part is not Aboriginal? Waleed didn't knock on your door and force you to listen. He was invited on show to express a view, and you've gone out of your way to listen to it.
Touche Waleed, this was also my take on this! How dare an indigenous person stand up and be counted in front of mainstream Australia! Get a life people, this is fantastic, soon Aboriginal people will be publically questioning about the way they have been treated, demanding more rights, and a real acknowledgement of the past. They may even want a Treaty or more power within the Australian Constitution! More power to Adam, and I'm cheering the war dance, out there and proud!
Good on Waleed, nailed it again! Good on you Adam! Celebrated your aboriginality and reminded us of our heritage!! Your live culture makes us all richer.
I love it how Waleed keeps saying "We.." like he is trying to give the impression that he accepts that he is one of us Australians. Deception at it's highest.
dannijabara I dunno, champ. He may reject the likes of you, but let's face it, when you spout ridiculous shit like 'he's not an Australian because he doesn't fit my conception of what an Australian is, and that is, an Australian just like me' you've gotta be used to rejection by now.
Tigregalis Another not so bright one. Let me put it a tad bit clearer for the impaired... He speaks with an Aussie accent but his heart lies somewhere else, i'll let you guess where. And point out where i said he's not Australian, "champ". This Waleed will put Australian society down at any given chance.
Just to remind everyone and to put it into context, it was national indigenous Footy week and he was just doing a indigenous war Dance after he kicked a goal you do relies that the Kiwis do similar thing before every game of rugby every time they play right so what's the difference ? oh that's right double standards and we cant have aboriginal people expressing themselves without permission soon they'll want to be in the Australian Constitution :O
infinity The Kiwis don't do it mid match as a "celebration" and they don't have a pretend spear aimed at the opposition ... Its a tasteful, ceremonial dance they have done for years. Adam Goodes just wants to keep himself relevant in the world by annoying the fans of the game. I don't see other aboriginals ever do this "war dance" in any of their games ... why? because it isn't in good taste to charge at the opposition fans with a malicious intent ... why has he been pulled up for threatening? Im pretty sure a 13 yr old in the crowd would be scared to see someone running at them with angry look in their eyes. Why didn't Mr Adam Goodes get thrown out of the stadium?
Just to remind everyone and to put it into context, the Maori war dance is done BEFORE the New Zealand team play a game of rugby while they stare at the opposition team. It is not performed randomly at opposition fans in the crowd. It is a wonderful thing with a great back story with HUNDREDS of years of history. It is not some made-up spectacle, a cringeworthy example of cultural appropriation. And the Haka is not a solo performance used by attention whores who are always banging on about cultural sensitivity. THERE'S your "double standards".
Adre Adr Timmy Cahill boxes the corner post when he scores a goal. "I don't see other aboriginals ever do this "war dance" in any of their games ... why?" Why indeed. More of it, I reckon.
Melissa Plant soccer is a much different game to footy but if you want to compare, players that have over celebrated a goal have been known to get a yellow card. Cahill does not direct his punching at the crowd does he? Does anybody remember Mark Williams from Hawthorn? He used to shoot a shotgun in the air and that was considered unsportsmanlike and he was told not to do it again. Different rules for sooks
Exactly Waleed!! That's exactly why they "boo". It's not his Aboriginality it's because he refuses to sit in the "box" Australian society has for ppl like him. Goodes is a champion in every aspect. He makes me even prouder to be Aboriginal. I am proud my kids have a role model like him.
Waleed's a very smart guy, and just a nice human being, who seems to excel in anything he turns his mind to. I knew him, and spent time with him for a very brief period... a long, long time ago. I probably have more positive memories of him, than he does of me...but whatever, he's absolutely spot on with what he's saying here. Australia is a strange place. We like to trot out our cliches of 'being the lucky country', the land of a 'mate-ship' that would make Burke & Wills tremble @ the knees...and just being an egalitarian utopia the rest of the world could only aspire to, etc... As with all things, it's only partially true. It's also a vision that is incredibly 'white' and 'male' in spirit.... Australia is a fantastic country. I see a lot of good people doing good things...all the time....I honestly wouldn't want to live anywhere else, even if I had the choice... But there is a pretty significant 'blindspot' in our collective national consciousness when it comes to the original owners of this land...We are happy to see their sublime skill on display in the sporting arena, and the empty ceremonial displays ad infinitum.. But I think that Adam Goodes' particular crime was that he was actually named 'Australian of the year', and he used this occasion and the 'title' as an opportunity to point out that he himself wasn't actually representative of the circumstances of the broader Aboriginal population...that the Aboriginal people as a whole are afflicted by chronic poverty, social dislocation, racism, imprisonment, death-in-custody, and medieval diseases....a third world within a first that our structures of power prefer concealed and marginalized.. The current policy on Aboriginal Australia essentially amounts to a form of genocide...and I think a lot of these people who are getting up in arms and booing Adam Goodes would actually prefer it if Aboriginal Australia disappeared... I certainly know the father of Australia's current richest person, Lang Hancock did.. There is a privileged, over-ridingly powerful segment influencing this nation's psyche that wants genocide I believe.....but without the concerns of political correctness burdening them in any way that would prevent them from filling out their tax returns, for instance...or ruining our chances of being accepted into the UN security council. We do want to walk into our next workplace meeting knowing we have no politically-correct blood on our hands...So, whatever. I don't believe in the validity or the moral worth of a world where others must 'necessarily' suffer for my prosperity. It's a shame that this is the overriding sentiment within the Washington-derived, imperial subjugate juggernaut that is Australia. But hey, at least Pine Gap can give us an intimate view of the suffering of indigenous Australia even if our un-biased corporate media can't... The-y know EvErYthInG! To be honest, A CIA agent is probably better equipped than any regular Australian is to give a detailed account of alcohol abuse within aboriginal communities.
Typical white guy comment. You take a stand against their racism and even the white people who otherwise CLAIM not to be racist immediately jump in to defend the openly racist white people 😑
Why is this two-bit "journalist/comedian" having his say on a matter he obviously has no idea about? No one likes the person that is Adam Goodes... he is an arrogant antagonist that thinks he is above the fans of footy. Hurry up and retire so we don't have to see you turn our game of footy into a political arena.
SwayJJ So now we're having an argument about the definition of a "comedian"? Jesus Christ. How 'bout you go and join Warren Andrews at the kiddie's table and you can argue about the definition of a "question" as well.
BigRamifications Is this one of those kiddie tables that have those curly straws in the drinks? I don't mind them at all. Increases the enjoyment of drinking 10 fold
haters on here cant handle the truth.Would you prefer to hear it from a well respected white australian in peter fitzsimmons?? because peter has the exact same stance
"I've seen footballers give oposition fans the finger.... and they might get fined but they don't get booed for it." That sentence is 100% wall-to-wall bullshit. I can't wait to listen to the other 1½ minutes of Waleed's sermon....
What part of that is bullshit? There have been numerous examples of this happening mate and they don't get booed consistently week to week. Your comments are 100% wall to wall bullshit.
Lucas Browne EVERYTHING about it is bullshit. Firstly, since your pal Waleed is so big on analogies, we must compare apples with apples. A player must aggressively and ostentatiously charge towards fans with his "rude finger" raised for thousands in the crowd to witness, not some gutless little drive-by where maybe only a dozen people noticed. You agree with Waleed? You honestly reckon a player wouldn't get booed for that? Hahahaha! I will agree with one bit. I vaguely remember one occasion where a player has flipped the bird to the crowd. But since you're sure this has happened NUMEROUS times, can you point me in the right direction there, tough guy? Got some names for me? Rough dates when it happened?
Lucas Browne Got any names and dates for me there, big fella? Players flipping the bird. Not getting booed. They have happened NUMEROUS times, remember?
Adam goodes was booed because Australians are sick and tired of being told what to do .. the booing was a one fingered salute to the establishment ... the booing was the crowds speaking " we are sick of political correctness and this us how we are going to show it !"
"Adam Goodes calls out racist spectator", no he didn't; he bullied a young girl. That's why I've gone off Adam Goodes. This is not to say that I take issue with Waleed Alys'' comments. As for Michael Long, He should be remembered for his hit on Troy Simmons in the 2000 Grand Final. Here's a thought; keep politics out of sport.
You've got it Waleed! I totally support that. For goodness sake the Maori do the Hakka before a rugby game which is specifically designed to not only intimidate the opposition but to throw them off their game, what Goodsie did wasn't even close to either of those things. The issue is that he dared to suggest that the Aboriginal people of Australia have their own cultures and chose to express it openly rather than just going along with what white people deem acceptable behaviour. We can't be a truly united country unless we allow our indigenous brothers and sisters to openly express their cultures. Why do people find it so threatening? I could give a damn that Goodsie references his culture on the football field.
ummm aboriginals express their culture all the time and never get the sort of treatment that adam gets. look at cathy freeman ffs. im half aboriginal myself and me and literally every aboriginal in my town is embarrassed by his behaviour. also don't compare the haka to this dance. the haka is an old cultural dance wheras the goodes dance was invented a few months before this by some teenagers
Tommy gun Cathy Freeman was lambasted the same way when she carried the Aboriginal flag with the Australian flag when she won gold at the 2000 Olympics. The media where all over it sprouting the same garbage, that it was 'divisive'. The reality is that it makes some white folks (namely middle-class, white men) uncomfortable to see Aboriginal people expressing their culture so openly, they just want these people to toe-the-line and just go with the flow so they don't have to acknowledge something that makes them feel very uncomfortable about our past. It's bullshit. What was so bad about what Goodsie did? Really?
If I had a victory and was having fun I would be doing the happy dance too. What is going on? is everyone board, is it a slow news week. I'll express myself anyway I want, as long as I don't injure anyone; and so can Adam and anyone else on the team.
Well said waleed! There is still a bit of growing for us to do. Goodes is the sacrificial lamb who will help instigate this growth. Sure, some will never grow no matter how much you water em, but there are many who want to grow and understand but take the hard angle to find quick growth. Australians are good willed in general but some of us love patronising because we can pretend we care. As soon as they no longer can patronise the ones seemingly below them on the social ladder, the games become nasty. Sad mentality, which is as a consequence of a lack of maturity!
1995? Go back to 1993 and Nicky Winmar lifting his shirt but it is a terrible situation when you are criticised for booing an opposition player at the footy. Going back to 1993 I was annoyed (as a St. Kilda supporter) NOT from the crowds reaction BUT from the reaction of some people (namely the then President of Collingwood) well after the game. I hardly ever go to the footy as the atmosphere has plummeted. It is dangerous to award 'Australian of The Year' to a sportsperson that can't represent Australia and only a part of Australia.
People like Waleed Aly do their cause and that of reconciliation no end of harm when they keep reverting everything that happens back to racism .He may like to check out the meaning of racism -( the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.) I think this is exactly what he was trying to say about mainstream Australia @ .044 - 1.15
"Wailing Waleed" the ABC's apologist for all things obnoxious. Goodes is a sook both on and off the ground, lost all credibility when he pointed out a 13y/o child for 'name-calling' during a game. The less said about Wailing Wally and his continual denial of islamic involvement in muslim atrocities the better. As for Goodes, what part of "Aboriginal Culture" does he speak for? Certainly NOT My Tribe - Wurundjeri tribe on whose traditional land the MCG and Docklands are located,and where he plays footy, has never once has he spoken to us. The shameful display of a "war dance" [cough, splutter] had nothing to do with sportsmanship and even less to do with Aboriginal culture, it was made up by an 'Under 16's' footy team a few years ago. To conflate it with the NZ All Blacks' "Haka" is stretching the bounds of credibility in a desperate attempt to get Goodes off the hook for gross racism/'hate speech.' Goodes should hang his head in shame!
Bill Richards What's so bad and shameful him expressing a dance similar to the 'Haka'? That 13 year old was made a good example of, get the ball rolling on the racism that still conquers here in Australia. Even if it had less to do with 'Aboriginal culture', it certainly showed the true colours of people and how they feel about the clash of cultures.
HangDeath Goodes little 'war dance' had nothing to do with the Haka (which is directed at the opponents, not the fans and even less to do with "Aboriginal culture". Please learn your history as his little dance was made up by an 'Under 16's coach' a couple of years ago. I am of an Aboriginal tribe (Wurrunjerri) who hate and despise his mob! My mob are not koori or ATSIC, We sit alone and proud!!!
Bill Richards I'm using the Haka as an example here and maybe he was directing this to the crowd out of frustration, seriously this wasn't that bad. And I'm sure Goodes is disappointed that your mob still despise your fellow brothers.
Showing that you are 'different', it's divisive! One is an Australian or not (quite)! Imagine that Croats, Serbs, Kenyans, Germans, Eskimos, Muslims, .....etc, started to 'demonstrate' their: I'm "xxx-Australian". Just like the African-Americans, Latino-Americans, what else - ?White-Americans! What a great united country it would have become!
Bullshit Waleed, ADAM GOODES... You are a brilliant footballer but play the game not the spectator...crowds pay good money to see good football..you know as we all know combative sport brings out the full spectrum of emotions from the crowd, frustration, happiness, anger, tension, anxiousness, sadness and so on...the crowd are tribal in nature and have been forever and a day. Adam most if not all I know hate racism but to single out a 13 year old girl (yes she's 13 but still a minor) stop the game to call security and have her escorted out by two security guards in front of 50,000 spectators (and well over a million viewers) was over the top..how do you think she might feel given you have full access to the media to tell your side but she did not?...she's 13 Adam...a kid!! You then decide to provoke the spectators (all white) with a war dance simulating throwing a spear at them..that's racist Adam, pure and simple...the same thing you are screaming out..go figure. If you think this is about race then perhaps can you tell me why my sporting hero who is indiginous and the 71 other AFL indiginous stars are not booed?....well?? Perhaps it's about your actions rather your race! Then when the crowd reacts as it always has you pull out the race card. Can you possibly imagine if say Hawkins after scoring a goal simulated loading a musket and shooting it into a crowd of indiginous spectators there would be outrage, banned for life, shunned from society and so on... Many a sporting player across the world have been fined for inappropriate gestures towards the crowd..yours was Adam..I was offended, you can do far better than that given you recieved Australian of the year award. Play football, not the spectator!
Take a hypothetical white AFL player of English/German/Polish/Russian descent. If he was being racially vilified via some offensive term pertaining to his race and that player called out a 13 y.o girl from the crowd (like Goodes did) AND say that player had a history of staging for free kicks and the next season that same player ran up within metres of a group of opposition supporters in the crowd making a weapon-weilding gesture in a threatening manner (perhaps shooting imaginary guns) that player would be booed too. Players who provoke the crowd and interact excessively with the crowd get booed, e.g Jason Akermanis. Another thing is if he was shit nobody would boo him. He is a great player who can win the game and deprive the opposition of victory, which contributes to opposition fans disliking him. This is not about a man of a minority speaking out against racism like Michael Long did. Michael Long changed the game for the better and the man who vilified him that day, Damian Monkhurst, publicly apologised and appeared next to Michael Long that week in a press conference and a stand against player-to-player racism was made. Supporters in the seats are not players, it is not the supporters "workplace" so they are not bound by those same ethics the players are. Adam Goodes called out the girl as if she was a player. Adam Goodes biggest mistakes have been interacting with the crowd -- namely opposition supporters. If he never interacted with opposition supporters the booing would never have reached the sad place it has.
The implication that an Australian crowd and/or society is racist because of their action (in this case) boo-ing is offensive if they are not. And you know what? On the whole they aren't. I feel for Adam Goodes because if he's personally hurting, and feels like his vilified then he deserves support. But when people, try to support him by attacking others, especially when they're innocent.. then they are just bad as those racist people. It's called false accusation, defamation, stereotyping, however you want to phrase it and it's wrong, just as racism is. Calling me racist when I'm not is akin to call a dad playing with his children a pedophile when he's not. Calling a Muslim a terrorist, when they are not. These are damaging statements, which affect peoples reputations, how they are viewed in society and just like Adam Goodes, their mental health. I think the boo-ing should stop, and I think that any negative racial intent from the supporters should stop but that shouldn't stop people from having and expressing a legitimate view, and persecuted wrongly for having one.
Some people have compared Australia and New Zealand on this issue. One term that was used in New Zealand last century was "Cultural Transparency" and it seems to be no longer part of the New Zealand vocabulary. This is exactly what Waleed Aly is discussing here. "Cultural Transparency" means to render your own culture transparent to others around you and conform to how you understand that others should perceive yourself. When other people cannot see any expression of your own culture and they see only a conforming individual.... isn't this what the politicians describe as being Australian is all about?
A spear-throw gesture, is a spear-throw gesture, no matter what 'spin' you put on it. Extremely well said and I'm impressed by your reasoning Waleed, but I don't agree with your kernel of thought. Sure, you may be right about an element of thinking going on from a minority of contributors, but this is something much bigger that that. This story transcends a particular opposition team-supporter group, state, micro-culture, time, and thus racial inclination (of the boo-ers). There are many facets to this matter, but one that stands out to me, is that if one does a war dance against fans, how can you not understand that it is an offensive act to those it was directed at- the fans, not the armchair commentators? If a non-indigenous footy player jested a spear-throw at you in an opposition crowd, after kicking a goal, what would your immediate reaction be? Boo, not on, un-sportsmanship behaviour, calls for fines, suspension, re-education, etc. Furthermore, those that analyse every minutiae of factors and opinions in hindsight, are missing the point of what reaction is. If someone randomly comes at me in the street (or where-ever), projecting a message of violence (or war), then I really don't give a sh** what their reasoning is, or their race, or their underprivileged upbringing, or whatever. It's hugely insulting and provocative. [Don't read into this that I am suggesting Goodes is underprivileged or privileged] I've a strong feeling that Goodes didn't intend to offend the crowd, and was just trying to highlight his culture in a culturally-focused 'arena' (the indigenous round), but as the saying goes - we judge others by their actions, and ourselves by our intentions. A spear-throw gesture, is a spear-throw gesture, no matter what 'spin' you put on it.
Not true , Not true please Media people in the future don't talk about " Australia " like you know every single one of us , some people boo , some don't but the majority don't like Adams Goodes because he lacks intergrity specially on the football field . Yes if you have a cause and you're willing to stand up for it all the power to you. But Adam Goodes like to be in the spotlight, and he goes out of his way by to make everyone else look guilty, and it's a shame that he's using a very touchy subject like racial bullying, to make himself look good, if you want to look good and stick to the opposition do it by kicking goals and showing what an awesome player you are in the field, eg like ex Hawthorn and now his team mate " Buddy " Franklin or from the opposition Cyril Ryoli . Now their 2 players that are not only proving a point that australian indigenous are awesome people, but their also showing to future Indigenous and indigenous overall that if you can show your Aboriginal pride by being good at something other that " Talking or Dancing " . Play Footy if you want to Dance go into Dancing With The Stars Australia .
What a load of shit. WCE fans have never liked Goodes since the mid 2000 for two reasons 1 he is a great player who can change a game in minutes. 2 he is a whinging whinny cry baby. I didnt care when he pointed out the girl or did his spear throw. Didnt bother me at all. He is one of my least liked afl players meanwhile my favourite nfl player is Jonathon Thurston. I love indigenous players as they are some of the most entertaining (why we watch right) how come i dislike Goodes but love Thurston? Its not racism its just hes not a likable guy (from a viewers perspective) probably hanging out with Anthoney Mundine too much. Anyway i feel if he is hurting then the booing should stop as really its only a game. Chin up Goodes we dont hate you.
gosh imagine Waleed playing the minority card ...lmagine my surprise. Supplicant and Goodes in the same sentence is bit of an oxymoron. While we give credence to his behaviour and continue to enable his divisive and exclusionary behaviour he will continue t.o have detractors. FYI I feel vilified regarding his "invasion Day" comment and with the logic we use for racism is equitable - if i perceive therefore it is
Only the ABC would allow someone who is not an ex player or a dedicated sports journalist/commentator have their 2 bobs worth. I thought the treatment of Adam Goodes was terrible, but I don't want to hear the politicised, societal view from a leftist like Ali. I'd rather hear from an indigenous ex player or community leader. But Waleed can't resist sticking his beak into issues
People just making excuses here claiming they booed Goodes for his movement was regarded inappropriate, disguise the fact that they are just not feeling comfortable to feel sorry to Goodes for the minor group of racist people in their society. Their though would be like "I'm no racist, why should I be ashamed of a 13years old's act? Besides I really hate u while u were accusing us on the moral high ground." I still meet lots of racist people on the internet, it's so funny and sad they proudly call themselves troll. It's just a matter of perspective, saying a few hundred years ago white people traveled all over the world and conquered many places with their success from industrialisation. Just like the Germanic build up Germany after defeating other minorities, then things went bad. They put lots of hate onto Jewish people, everyone knows what happened next, it's the shame of humanity. The point im trying to make is, racism is a big deal. No matter Jews hates German or German hates Jews, it's the hostility between two races and one day it is going to pay off when it has been accumulated to a certain extend. Today you call the Asian you see on the street stupid, small eyes or ChingChingdingdong or woteva, maybe tomorrow they will throw a nuclear warhead on your land. The racist people, they will just never understand it is not themselves the only people who have the power to hate, they need a punch in the face until they have really learnt something.
There is a reason why it's a cardable offence to celebrate your goal in front of the away crowd in English Football. Especially if you're dumb enough to taunt the away crowd like a moron, any player in the world would get booed if a pompous prick did this in just about any code. Numerous footballers, one coming to mind Luis Suarez, he wasn't as bad as Goodes, but he created enough controversy to get the away crowd to boo him quite regularly, it's not racially motivated at all though. So to have a person like goodes who taunted the away crowd like a child regularly to have started this booing trend is so painfully obvious what it originates from it's rather quite embarrassing to even go down this ridiculous racism road once again. Especially embarrassing for Goodes to actually take personal leave because of it and cry after being the taunter.
You're tarring alot of people with the same brush Waleed. There may be some genuine racists amongst the booers, but that doesn't mean that all booers are racists. That argument should sound familiar.... Perhaps the problem is that when people BOO, they provide an opportunity for a racist to express their hate? The harmless booers are enabling the hateful, harmful booers. That argument sound familiar? You shouldn't be prejudiced against an entire group of people because of the intentions an actions of a relative minority within that group. That argument should sound familiar, too.
He said he has seen opposition players give fans the finger and they may get a fine but they don't get booed for it ! He really is just making it up as he go's along ,if an AFL player gave the fans the finger they would boo him for the rest of the game at the very least .
"...Australia is generally a very tolerant society, until its minorities demonstrate that they don’t know their place. And at that moment, the minute a minority - someone in a minority position acts as though they’re not a mere supplicant, then we lose our minds. And we say, ‘No, no you’ve got to get back in your box here’. The backlash is huge and it is them who are creating division and destroying our culture and that is ultimately what we boo. We boo our discomfort.”
So true Waleed when minorities speak out people don't ,like it. it is all well when you are in their perceived boxes, as soon as you speak out shock horror, from 50 years of personal experience from and Indigenous Australian Go Goodsey
I love how people are so quick to say Adam goodes is standing up for what happen to the aboriginals in the past, okay that's all well and goo but no one ALIVE today was able to do anything about it, it happened so long ago and none of what happened would ever happen today? So what is he standing up for in reality? People that don't understand footy and what actually happens in the game of footy will call anyone that boo's Adam goodes a "racist" but actually in reality he does get booed for his on field behavior which is absolutely shocking. Also opposition teams are starting to realize if you boo him it's going to get him off his game, that means his mind and maybe Sydney's mind is not actually entirely on the game, and that furthers the Chances of the opposition team winning. At the end of the day it's just a game of footy, everyone goes home after and we're all happy. Instead of Adam goodes hiding behind the fact that it's racist why not thrive on the booing and play good footy and stick it to the fans that way. No one likes to be called somethin thing we aren't. People aren't RACIST if they boo Adam Goodes they're passionate fans. booing Is a part of the game, it has been since the start. It's Afl.
There seems to be alot of denial on this thread! And those who point the finger at the individual seem to avoid the issue by asserting the contrary. It's the reaction to the reaction! This corner of society has become too sensitive, which is ironic given the insensitive nature of "racism" in Australia. I thought the celebration was average considering the spectacles performed by other sporting nations (PI's and NZ). Sure this was magnified by the event and the media, but if there wasn't an issue, then I would not have heard of this....... And if there isn't an issue, then who cares?
I like Adam Goodes, great player. Personally, I couldn't give a toss if someone was purple with pink stripes. The race issue is simple, we love to hate! This is not simply a Australian debate, it's a world issue. If we don't hate the indigenous, we hate the immigrants, if they are limited, we hate our own. I'm on my third passport and have eaten with friends and strangers from far and wide and this nonsense runs deep everywhere! I have met Russian champions denied representing their country in the Olympics because they had Jewish blood. I have had easy passes for having white skin and I have had the crap beaten out of me for the very same reason! I have not been to a country that hasn't got a beef with a particular other but when I do, I might stay a while!
I'm from NZ, I find this situation hilarious. The fact u get up in arms about a lil war dance is ridiculously stupid, come play rugby where the Allblacks have been doing the haka for the last hundred years, getting away with throat slitting n tongue poking (which means I'm gonna eat you) after demolishing all before them. I'll let u in on a secret, the proper response is to challenge him back, who cares if it's waltzing Matilda or tie me kangaroo down.... Challenge him back. Anyway just need to chill out. One love people
Love it.
Jerome Matthews
You make a very interesting point man. I just wonder, if 'challenged back' the aboriginal community would not cite racism ? Say, a white man kicking a goal, doing a dance created by a white man then figuratively shooting a rifle at a predominately aboriginal crowd. I'm not saying they would or wouldn't care, I'm just wondering.
The difference is mate, white people aren't, and never have been a persecuted people in Australia, arguably anywhere, in terms of race. So it's not comparing apples with apples. The white man in your example is just a dick, that has no understanding or empathy for the issues.
If that is your opinion, then ok. History says you are wrong, but ok. You are entitled to believe whatever you want to.
Maybe the white man in my example is a dick, as you put it. I was just trying to make a comparison, being that Goodes actions were apparently not racially motivated. Your answer stating that a white man committing the same actions, but in reverse would be lacking 'understanding and empathy for the issues' suggests that maybe Goodes conduct WAS racially motivated.
Australians are very aware of what happened and are, in the majority, regretful of what happened and have acknowledged this feeling publicly - I question what further action it would take to sooth this animosity Aboriginals harbor towards the white community.
Ethan Boyd give back stolen land and resources, that would then make the aboriginals the financial elite of this country. could you imagine that what would Gina think???
I don't think the war dance was an issue, I think it's great, if Goodes was in a final and kicked a goal to put the swans up I'm all for it but when you're playing a team that's bottom of the ladder, just had their coach sacked, their three best players out through injury, knowing it's going to be a blow out win and running up to their supporters like he did, that is just bad sportsmanship, he made that moment all about himself and deserved to be booed afterwards, as with the hawthorn game when you're flailing around for free kicks like he was you're going to get booed, lots of other players have and it wasn't turned into an exaggerated problem, as a Collingwood supporter I've seen it first hand when Didak was playing, he was booed for who he was not what he was, and that is exactly the same as with Goodes.
John Smith I totally agree, theres a time and a place for celebration
John Smith It was the Indigenous Round! It had nothing to do with the opposition. He made the moment all about Australian Aboriginals. Way to miss the point of the war dance entirely, John.
I understand it was the indigenous round, what I don't understand is why he aimed it at the Carlton supporters and made it solely about himself? Why couldn't he have organised to perform the dance before the game and make it a spectacle since it was obviously pre meditated? Why didn't he get the young men who showed him the dance to perform it with him, I'm sure that would've been a great experience for them and a great way to promote their indigenous heritage, and isn't that what it's about? When you're in such a privileged position as Adam Goodes is, giving back to the community and doing as much as you can for those less fortunate should be your number one agenda, yet he puts himself and his issues first constantly, there's a lot of people going through greater abuse than just some Bronx jeers from opposition supporters.
This is kind of funny, both of these 2 are in their respective positions because they are tokens. The reason people hate the pair of them is because they are arrogant and divisive.
Why delete the racist comments? I am Aboriginal and I am happy they put themselves on display for the World to see. Trust me, after years of nothing but denialism and excuses from Australians the World is now watching with keen interest
As a bisexual, I can't support Adam Goodes. He is an intolerant bigot.
I'm a 'white' person and am totally offended by any suggestion I am racist because I am white. I share as little with the next white person as the next any person. Stop telling 'white' people they owe someone an apology. Anyone who is racist should be dealt with by themselves. I'm part of the human race not the white race. Further stop telling me I am a lesser Australian than indigenous people. I have never been anywhere else and contribute just as much to this country as every other person. It's very clear there are people falling over themselves to proclaim all whites as racist. Yes some are, and they live a lesser live for it. But I'm sick and tired of having this garbage of racism as an inbuilt feature of white DNA poured down my throat. Good luck to Adam goodes but any fool who suggest 100% of people are racist is clearly not being sensible. Leave the guy alone. Hold individuals responsible for their own actions and try to be happy.
***** here here stomper902
Rationalist Society
You are reading into it too much. I do not know why you are thinking that they are suggesting that every white person is racist.
No one is saying you are a lesser Australian than an Indigenous person, but that you acknowledge that they should be recognised in the constitution and that they were the first people of this land.
Take a bex and have a nice lie down
Michael Josiah
+Tamika Josiah recognising people differently in the constitution is racist. Are you seriously telling me a constitution should reflect race origins. Wow. Just wow. Nobody should ever be reflected before or more than any other persons in the founding law of any land. By the way Adam Goodes father is white.
+Zephyr Trading your ignorance is funny. You are aware there are white Africans. Due to the albino condition we indeed find white Africans. This shows just how irrelevant skin colour is. It's meaningless much like your comment.
Rationalist Society
Michael Josiah here. So you think that recognising and acknowledging Indigenous People as the first people of this land, something that NZ and Canada do is racist!!! Are you serious? Is Adam Goodes saying that White people should be disadvantaged, no. Is Adam Goodes saying that Blacks should be given more rights than whites, no.
It does not matter that Adam Goodes father is white. Adam Goodes and society sees him as black!!! He has suffered racism and I bet the vast majority of that is from whites. And they are not going to say when he is abused, oh A Goodes has a white father so we should ease up.
Again Rationalist, no one is saying you are less of an Australian that an Indigenous person , no effing one. I suggest you read his Australian Day speech transcript. Geez you are severely touchy about this, making assumptions up that just do not exist!!!
Speak for yourself Waleed Aly.
Throwing an imaginary spear at someone is provocation from any way you look at it.
Jetta performed a cultural dance that I applauded him for a few weeks after this.
As Australian of the year, he should have united us but instead divided us. Whatever side of the fence people sit on, the fact is we are a divided country.
+Lyell Allen One Adam Goodes did not throw the spear, he raised his arm but did not make a throwing action, he lunged towards the crowd. Yes we are divided, unfortunately the division has always been there.
+Tamika Josiah if you were to make a gun shape with your hand, point it at someone but not "shoot" it, isn't that still provocation?
Lyell Allen Yes it would be provocation, but he hasnt walked up to one person and point a "spear" at them, he clhallenged 2,000 suppoerts with is learned dance from an U18 Indigenous team.
Ha ha thanks token
I'm a white, non-Sydney-supporter, and I have mad respect for Goodes and thought his goal celebration was great
I'm with you 100%.
Came back to this after The Final Quarter documentary. the greatest explanation of our society ever. I love you, Waleed
I’m doing an assessment on the documentary and using this because it’s just such a good quote.
The Final Quarter is total blactavist propaganda...and it's for sale i note...hmmmmm....
It does seem very unusual. Especially considering that The Maori's in New Zealand do a war dance before every game.
Also I think the fact that he did a war cry in a televised sporting event is awesome! Sport is a spectacle.
Syndiccalls The Maori haka is done to intimidate the opposition but the opposition is. It allowed to make a suitable return, heck hoe England copped a fine for doing the wedge at the RWC last year
Adam Goodes has done three things here that seem to have upset so many.
1. He defended himself by calling out a racist remark
2. He reminded Australia of the terrible history it has with its Aboriginals.
3. He did a dance at a football game.
cdgh99 I agree with all of that. One thing, how old was the person he called out though? If they were an adult, yes I am behind that 100%, but If it was a teenager.. you are doing far more psychological harm by calling out that person.
streamofkuntishness It is clear to me that the teenager is responsible for causing psychological harm to Goodes. She and her family need to be de-programmed and re-educated.
cdgh99 Do you have any proof or evidence that this was the only motivation for even 1% of the crowd booing in Perth? You know any actual facts beyond your own sanctimonious anti -establishment sentiment? Of course you don't. Your judging people based on absolutely no evidence, the very definition of prejudice. Fighting perceived prejudice with actual prejudice, congratulations you're officially an idiot.
Laura Puru 'de-programmed'? Jesus, the left sound more and more totalitarian every day.
amazingtalkinghorse quite obvious you don't have children who spout whatever they're thinking then. It is obvious that your demeanor at a game of football is that of a perfect gentleperson, U B A Tosser and worst o all - a hypocritical fibber
What a fantastic bunch of comments. Pretty clear that some of you hate Goodes. But let me help you out here:
1. Not booing other Aboriginal players does not make it not racist to boo Goodes.
2. Goodes, and any other indigenous person, has probably put up with enough racism, and doesn't have to cop it anymore. Not from 13 year olds. Or forum warriors.
3. If actually saying something about indigenous heritage, dispossession and racism makes you feel uncomfortable, it is possible (likely) that YOUR point of view has some flaws in it.
4. It is not culturally insensitive for Goodes to identify as Aboriginal, or do a war dance. I have no idea how any white Australian could possibly conceive that as undermining or diminishing them.
5. Attacking Waleed Aly won't make it all go away.
6. You may think he is a wanker, but the biggest wanker in the game? Is he really? I reckon he's not even the biggest wanker in the Sydney team. If you think Goodes gets about like he's better than everyone, then you've got a massive chip on your shoulder, and he is better than you. The rest of us, you know, we can take it. There are bigger egos in the world than Goodes.
7. Past his best? What do you care, you hate the Swans, admit it. If he's past his best, he's dragging the team down, surely? Goodes' selection is a matter for Horse, not a hook for booing. And no, Sydney fans do not boo Goodes. He's so obviously better than the 22nd best Sydney player, ie. Lloyd or Brandon Jack or Towers, that it isn't worth raising as a factor.
8. Staging for frees, well that's a thin allegation, notably unsubstantiated by any actual named occurrences. Every week you can see Selwood get a couple of frees ducking his head. I don't think you should boo Selwood either, but to suggest Goodes' is notably the worst in the AFL, and THAT's why you boo him is just laughable.
9. Some of the people who boo are pantomime booing, like how crowds treat Stuart Broad, the cricketer. The problem is, this is a cover for the latent (and patent) racists to take the opportunity to boo (what they see as) an uppity black. Probably some of those sorts of people have already posted in these comments.
Doesn't say much for Australian society, that we are still having a debate about booing an Aboriginal man, where quite clearly, for some individuals, Goodes' race is a factor in those individuals choosing to boo. If you want to boo, no one can stop you. But don't pretend it has nothing to do with racism.
rogan josh Great comment.
Em Eff Let me paraphrase here, your saying 'whities' get no say about how they feel about racism? LOL
rogan josh best comment yet, and more popular than the racists. Nice change from the usual youtube comments demographic
What a fantastic comment - thank you!
AIenSmithee
No, don't paraphrase Alen, just try and read
Hi all, thanks for your comments. I welcome debate and diversity of opinion but will be deleting abusive and racist comments.
*****
what, so you welcome diversity of opinion BUT.....
that's like saying 'im not racist BUT....'
waleed aly is another person who has an inferiority complex because he's of a different race, culture or religion and feels as though he's being given a rough time so he wants to shake his fist at the white man for being so successful. He has literally never said anything that impressed me, he is another shill for wealth redistribution and diversity so he can have a better position in life for himself, rather than producing value for the rest of the world to enjoy.
epicwinguyz - no racist comments: first reply: 'why cant I be racist, its not fair? epic whinger
hopp I see comments like that and think "kill me now - so many human beings are soooo fucking thick!"
epicwinguyz That is one of the best and truest comments I have ever read on youtube. You hit the nail on the head and summed up the typical immigrant Australian born attitude towards white Australia. They act like we owe them a living and they feel entitled to an easier ride because they are immigrants. This Waleed guy is a prime example of left wing immigrant attitude.
***** The project should have been axed a long time ago. How it is still airing with it's marxist propaganda absolutely baffles me.
What would Australia do without Waleed Aly to explain everything to us.
It's his opinion and his take on the situation. Given his ethnic background, and taking into account my own personal experience, I believe he knows of what he speaks and he's absolutely right... unless you think he should just stay quiet and get 'back in his box'...
Waleed Aly I have to disagree when you say that Goodes is a 'minority'. If by minority you mean an aboriginal Australian then a multi million dollar footballer, Australian of the year then ok. The problem here isn't about him being aboriginal. Does Cyril Rioli get booed because he is aboriginal? No. There is an underlying factor here, which in my opinion is this. Goodes is a legend of the game, and quite rightly stands up for his heritage proudly. He has crossed the line however. You don't single out a 13 yr old girl in the middle of a football game, and call her "the face of racism in Australia". When given one of the highest honours in our country (Australian of the year), you don't use that as a platform to smear and denigrate the country you grew up in like you have. Why is it that if you perform some "tribal war dance" and act to throw a spear that is seen as fine, yet if another person (for the sake of argument hes white) kicks a goal and gives the finger or pretends to shoot the ball or the crowd holding an imaginary firearm that would be seen as crossing the line and not in the spirit of the game? Please explain the difference. They are both aggressive actions towards the crowd, but because you describe it as a cultural symbol you get off? I appreciate what you have done in your career and your passion for being a great aboriginal representative, but you get booed because you have gone way too far.
Maxim Lekov
Being a one off as an Aboriginal millionaire footballer/Australian of the year makes him even more of a minority. Cyril Rioli says next to nothing to the media. Off the field he is rather passive if anything. This is what Waleed is suggesting. That it is Goodes proud OUTWARD nature that has led to the booing by fans.
And as racism is learnt a 13year old is the face of racism. Because the generations before should not have taught her it and it is the continuation of racism that is most concerning.
KRUDD1992 waleed was using the term minority to describe someone who seems to have no voice and when given one gets booed for it, which is hardly the case with Adam Goodes. So the fact Rioli is rather passive proves my point that its got nothing to do with being aboriginal, but with the actual actions of the individual doesn't it? Its fine to have a proud outward nature as you put it, but could you please tell me the difference between what Goodes did (directed at the Carlton Supporters) and pretending to be shooting off into the crowd after he kicks the goal (which would certainly get a player suspended or fined) ? So to make a generalised blanket statement such as the one Goodes did regarding the European rape and pillage of Aboriginals, he then publicly humiliates a 13yr old girl and calls her "the face of racism" in my opinion, is an absolute disgrace. Oh and for the record, I have been called an 'ape' when I was 17 by racial minority groups because I was hairy, I thought it was quite funny and in no way racist. Just because Goodes takes offence to that, does he have a right to publicly humiliate a 13yr old girl in front of millions of people? absolutely not.
Adam Goodes is part of a minority group. Wealth does not erase his Aboriginality. That 13 year old was a true representation of racism in Australia. Let's make snide remarks about Aboriginals and hide behind "i'm not racist", "lighten up", "political correctness gone too far".
How are YOU (presumably a white male) able to dictate what is and is not racism/offensive? How are you able to say that something is less than it is? White Australia has NO say in the way Aboriginals should behave/feel/react. Sit down white man, "white" Australia is getting woke and watching you all squirm in discomfort is by far the most amusing part.
Beth P How does it make any sense to say a 13 year old is a true representation of racism in Australia? She even said it wasn't because he was aboriginal. Are you telling me there is a difference between myself getting called 'ape' because I was hairy, and adam goodes getting called one by a 13yr old? The only difference I see is one of us using it as an excuse to publicly humiliate a 13 yr old girl who cannot be fully held accountable. She was interviewed by police for god's sake. I have no angst/anger towards any other races/religions whatsoever, my main concern is the way in which this was handled by a public figure such as Goodes. Like I said before, he gets booed NOW because of the way he is going about it, NOT because he is aboriginal. Indigenous round is about all coming together, to break down racial walls etc. not to use it as an opportunity to incite Carlton supporters which he clearly meant to do. Then people wonder why he gets booed? "Sit down white man", wow now whos the racist.......oh sorry I cant say that because that would be seen as being racist
Maxim Lekov
Minority -
the smaller number or part, especially a number or part representing less than half of the whole. Waleed was using the term to describe Aboriginals. Goodes is an aboriginal. Therefore a part of a minority. Cyril Rioli has never voiced an opinion. It is beyond irrelevant to compare the two to form an argument against Waleed, unfortunately for you it just further validates it.
The obvious difference between what Goodes did and shooting into the crowd is one is a culturally specific dance, performed during a culturally specific round of football. When we have a hunter, sniper or soldier round then I imagine it'll be comparable. Until then the two again are incomparable.
Children expressing racist views are the face of racism. Because racism is taught and that is was needs to be stopped. It's easier to not teach racism then it is to expect learnt behaviors to be forgotten. And in this case the 13 year old was aiming it at an aboriginal man, whose race was involved in an attempted assimilation, because they were thought of and treated as sub-human. I don't imagine your race was. And yes as we are in Australia and Australian laws make it illegal for people to engage in racist activity or to encourage, incite or permit racist acts to occur he was well within his rights to do and say what he said.
Ever since he bravely got security to frog march a 13yo girl out of a ground because she hurt his feelings, Adam Goodes hasn't shut up about racism and cultural sensitivity.... then he goes and pulls a stunt like that. Charging towards "white people" in the crowd waving a spear.
Did he think that might have been a bit culturally insensitive in the other direction? The reaction in the ensuing days has got ZERO to do with "get back in your box" and everything to do with Goodes being a fat head hypocrite.
You can't compare it with Michael Long's stance or Nicky Winmar and that famous photograph. Completely different things done for completely different reasons. Furthermore, the public's reactions were completely different. Waleed is full of shit.
...I'm sorry. Do you really think Goodes had an invisible spear he was waving at people, or something?
***** All I got from that was "I'm a racist, and I don't care who knows it". Save your shit, flawed analogies for your next Klan rally.
***** Or what if a 13yo girl in the crowd waved an imaginary spear at Adam Goodes while making OOGA BOOGA noises? Do you think the big cry baby would have 2 burly security goons march her out of the ground? Heh heh.
Beth P It doesnt? Try refusing a local a smoke in Darwin if you arent black
Beth P Dumbass!
Back when he stood up after winning the Brownlow with Bucks and Roo, he was a champion in everyone's eyes... In years to follow I don't recall stadiums of people "booing" him... something changed in recent years after he made a stand against racism, and has since leveraged his celebrity to bring to light the issues being faced in our country of systemic and engrained "racism" and "discrimination" - two words that make MANY people feel "uncomfortable", but what I think is the biggest issue of just straight out ignorance and avoidance of tougher conversations that can lead toward change. He's got a voice, who cares if you don't agree with everything he says or how he says it - we need more people to open up these conversations... it's not easy for someone to do, he talks about things that make people "uncomfortable" and the knee jerk reaction is defensiveness and shooting him down because they don't like someone making them feel "uncomfortable" - People should allow themselves to feel "uncomfortable" long enough, without reacting with knee jerk responses, to actually understand what it is within themselves that is making them "uncomfortable" - that's where change comes from.
Fionn Griffin Michael Long [one of the analogies Waleed uses in his, erm, argument] never got booed. Nicky Winmar never got booed after his "incident". In fact, Nicky Winmar is a freaken champion in my book, for that one act so perfectly captured on film.
There are plenty of people having "uncomfortable conversations" who aren't complete hypocritical fat headed floggers. "What Adam Goodes is screams so loud I can't hear what he is saying."
BigRamifications That's some whitesplaining bullshit right there.
Fionn GriffinVery well written Fionn, however, I disagree with people being uncomfortable simply because they are not used to dealing with these issues. You can also be uncomfortable in situations in which it is quite right to be, because of the actions of another have gone too far. In my opinion, Goodes has only increased negative behaviour regarding racial equality in Australia, because, in my opinion, he goes too far with it. Did he really have to single out a 13yr old girl and call her "the face of racism in Australia". I don't think so. Ive been called an ape from other ethnic minorities because im hairy, but I didn't consider that racist or derogatory. Sure, its very natural for people to feel uncomfortable when dealing with confronting things, and I for one think Adam Goode's campaign for equality is (at its very core) a very good thing, but there are right ways to go about it, and there are wrong ways, and in my opinion hes certainly now going the wrong way.
Fionn Griffin Do you think there are people out there who dont know racism is a thing in this country, how much more do we need to talk about it?
Maxim Lekov There is no way to tackle racism that doesn't make people uncomfortable. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Sporting traditions have to begin somewhere, and the great Adam Goodes has started a new one. I hope from now on that EVERY Indigenous player expresses their aboriginality after scoring a goal, whether it is a war dance, crawling goanna or anything else they feel like doing. Start a great new sporting tradition. In a few years time it will be as normal and as entertaining as watching the All Blacks doing the Haka.
I love it.
Rex Mundi Idiot.
Well done, you can spell idiot. Now try and finish a coherent sentence.
There probably will be more of it but it wont take a few years time to be normal, its not abnormal now. But in a few years time many people will still think goodes is a wanker and others will still say he's only hated because he's black. Its going to take a long time before this kind of ridiculous argument is a thing of the past
***** You don't think they already do? So many sporting games with the national anthem flying a flag with British Union Jack, nothing wrong with it, but I'd say white people get to celebrate their heritage in a public way all the time.
I have no issue with what Goodes did, i have an issue with people like Waleed who will claim everything is a cultural attack.
Goodes was booed by Carlton supporters as his celebration was directed at them. They in turn, as expected, booed Goodes. What do you expect rival fans to do when you direct a celebration at them? Clap and Cheer?
Goodes himself said it was directed at the supporters, however he did not feel like it was a big deal which it isnt except for people like Waleed who will use any excuse to find media attention and claim racism.
Goodes celebrated his goal, the rival fans booed him. That is where it should have finished.
pukaki brah That's exactly my take-away from this as well. Waleed comes across as just another low IQ, left wing bigot. I don't understand why people actually pay attention to what he says.
pukaki brah It's not a cultural attack, it's a cultural reaction by mainstream Australia to what it considers threatening to it. Note, it's a reaction - it doesn't require forethought: the people who produce such a reaction don't know that they are being racist and/or antagonistic, they are merely the victims of their intellectually and culturally dry upbringing.
I like poo.
pukaki brah "Goodes celebrated his goal, the rival fans booed him. That is where it should have finished."
The whole issue is that it didn't finish there! Clearly there is something else happening besides team rivalry.
MegaLaxMax That was a racist cultural attack on his dumb face.
The negative comments re Waleeds truthful commentary, support what he is saying 100%
Kim Wright so simply questioning something or having an alternative viewpoint proves the original position correct? Logic fail.
Warren Andrews There was ZERO ad hominem in Adam Phillips' initial comment. And see that thing in his comment that looked like a question mark: "?" The words preceding that formed a thing called a QUESTION.
0/10 English comprehension for you. Please go and sit at the kiddie's table while the grown-ups debate this.
Warren Andrews There was no personal attack on Waleed Aly, I am just disagreeing with his position and opinion and think it's a load of horseshit. That's not an ad hom attack.
Adam Phillips do you ever shut the fuck up?
Beth P Racist?
I never really understood the big deal about this whole Adam Goodes war cry business tbh. The man kicked a goal and he celebrated, granted it was an aggressive non-western (because that's what seems to be the issue here) celebration but its an aggressive sport and the celebrations are seldom calm!. Consider this, when there is a punch-on on the field people are hurt and that is bad role modelling for young Aussie kids (you know showing to solve your problems with your fists), yet in the media it's shown as just another scuffle and a good portion of the audience/viewers actually enjoy it.
Goodes didn't hurt anyone, he didn't throw an actual spear lol. This is the equivalent of calling the kiwi's murders because they like to do the cut-throat hacka before a game! People need to focus on real issues, this is just a waste of media in all formats. The media has focused on this sorry excuse of an issue more than they did in breaking down the federal budget!
Also before any smart ass tries to point out that by me commenting on this video I am in fact further adding to the line of discussion, I know that, however someone needs to voice this 3rd side of the debate, that is many of us don't give a shit.
SuperBlack1337 The big deal is that Goode exposes latent racism in aust society just by demonstratively being indigenous
hopp strange how its only adam goodes copping it though. There plenty of proud aborigines playing professional sport but only goodes is booed because he's black. Selective racism must be a thing
well no, because he outwardly identifies as aboriginal, i know you're trying to be clever but everyone already knows that Max
hopp Pretty sure most people just dont like him. Of course some dont like because of his skin colour theres always going to be racists, as long people come from different cultures there will be racists. But to say everyone that doesnt like adam goodes is a bigot is just small minded.
Max Power. I'm not saying that, I'd only say people that comment on not liking him in this context are racist, it is a matter of context
The reason he was booed was because people come to the footy to see footy not a man provoke people by pretending to throw spears at them. Keep politics out of footy. We go to the footy to escape it. He got booed for a good reason
Perfect explanation! I love Adam Goodes for standing up for not only indigenous people but for every minority in Australia..
yaaaaawn...Goodes is racist...eos
Goodesy was a great footballer and a great human being Shane on the afl for not standing by him in a dark time in his life should have had retired as the champion he is I loved watching him play 4 footballers rolled into one and the world is a better place for Adam being in it
Yeah um........Nailed it!!!
Waleed Ali spoke beautifully here. Nice and simple to understand for Australia's lowest common denominator.
Which is most of the public
An overwhelming portion, yes. Mostly the descendants of convicts so at least it's understandable.
ha ha ha ha.......Aly is a total race ID promoter...who knows nothing about this issue....80% of AFL fans support the booing of Goodes...which has NOTHING to do with his skin colour....
@@kevinherbert4256 The booing of Goodes had EVERYTHING to do with his skin colour. You can’t even backup your ignorant viewpoint you spineless worm.
@@HULKHOGAN1 : hey jelly back racist...you're nowhere......the truth cannot b denied..excerpt for dolts like you.....quit while you're able...incoming racist alert!!!!!@
I really can't stand players being booed (unless they KO'ed someone, etc). Don't like Goodes being booed when he touches the ball, or Watson after the ASADA crap went down, or Jack Watts when he makes any mistake, and many other players. Goodes may not be a great player anymore and he has done some things that make him a bit of a wanker but he still deserves some respect from football goers. It was kinda heartwarming to see Sydney fans try to counteract the boos with cheers, as the Hawks supporters did for Hodgey and Lewis a few weeks back.
Waleed Aly is way off the mark again.He clearly hasn't been to many AFL games and is making huge assumptions. I don't like booing in sports and don't do it myself. But Now that the booing of Adam Goodes in the game against the Eagles is being called racist, I have to make a few points.
1. Goodes has been booed regularly in games before the Eagles match. Are journalists being anti-West Australian by only just noticing it?
2. There were a number of players with indigenous heritage on the field, if the booing was racist, why weren't they all booed?
The fact is, booing specific coaches (Sheedy, Malthouse, Hird), and presidents (McGuire, John Elliott), and players (see list), has been happening in the AFL for a long time. To assume that it is racist based simply because the player being booed has dark skin is in itself racist!
Here's my small list of players I recall being incessantly booed in the past.
- Adam Goodes - for being a prima donna and for calling out a 13 year old girl for making an understandable characterisation, then doing a made up dance which is now being claimed as a traditional war dance which includes miming throwing a spear at the crowd and hitting the fore-arm in an ‘up yours’ gesture.
-Ryan Crowley - because of his close and questionable tagging
-Tony Libertore - because he was a dirty player, eye gouging
-Barry Hall - because he was a dirty player who liked to get in free punches and still played in a grand final.
-Chris Judd - booed because he was a good player by none Eagles teams, and then booed because he left the Eagles by Eagles supporters
-Ryan Griffen - Booed for leaving the Bulldogs
Wayne Carey - booed because he screwed the skippers wife
Hayden Ballantyne - A good old fashioned pest disliked by most opposition fans
Jeff Farmer - dirty player and he was so annoying celebrating goals
Gary Ablett senior - dirty player, and free kicks weren’t called against him
Dermott Brereton - a very dirty player hitting behind play, and a prancing knob
Ben Cousins - drugs, and wrecking a team
Stephen Milne - rape allegations
Brendan Fevola - thug and poser
Greg Williams - dirty player
In May when Goodes was booed by Hawthorn players it was suggested: ‘Some Hawthorn fans suggested on social media on Monday that the booing of Goodes related to an incident in 2013 when Goodes appeared to trip Hawk Josh Gibson with his foot, emphatically denying racism played any part.’
That tripping, and the staging for free kicks that got called out even by an umpire this year, already seem explanation enough for the booing he is getting. But there’s more. Goodes also chose to be divisive, and some people don’t like it. He abused the country as fundamentally racist, led at times by rapists, and some people feel offended at the unjustified slur. He humiliated a 13-year-old girl before the eyes of millions, and some people think that unfair and a bit mean. He called Australia Day, Invasion Day, and that is divisive.
Those are actions that would have had any player of any colour booed, too. That Goodes has Aboriginal ancestors should not excuse him from criticism, and especially not after being so critical himself.
I don’t like the booing of Goodes one little bit. But I also don’t like people claiming it is racist where none exist.
James Doogue Well said!
simon p No. Not well said. It's just a regurgitation of everything Alan Jones has said. You're both simpletons.
James Doogue I'm sorry but the only thing that stood out from this comment was that the girl made 'an understandable characterisation'. That says it all about your perspective and opinion: calling an Indigenous Australian an ape is perfectly understandable.
So, despite all the justifications in your comment, you just proved Waleed's point there. An underlying discomfort - whether it amounts to 'racism' in your eyes or not, is clearly being released in this whole Goodes issue. It's divisive to stand up for yourself but not divisive to 'boo' the 'Australian of the Year'?
He's a bloke who's not fearful, doesn't want to 'put up' with unfair subjugation and is pissed off - I don't blame him. Other indigenous players stay quiet; so of course Goodes will be criticised. Because how dare a minority speak up and trigger any sort of discomfort in the ever-so-pure majority of the Australian population, right?
And, Australia Day is a day to celebrate the wonderful values and culture that this country DOES HAVE. But, for people who's families have suffered at a very deep level, it's hard to celebrate a day that reminds them of massacres, stolen generations and the disrespected identity and stance they have in Australia today.
Calling Australia Day, Invasion Day may hurt your sentiments but at least you don't have the extremely real memories of the atrocities they've faced - so if you balance it up, maybe just deal with them calling the day whatever they want?
Don't mean to disrespect, I understand your point about many players being booed - but Australia is behind when it comes to dealing with its native population and it's time we caught up rather than feed ignorance.
amazingtalkinghorse Simpleton? Typical response, no valid argument. Just an insult with no evidence to back it up.
Ah yes, the screams of racism and discrimination are there, by the very same people who dismiss people based on their age, colour and gender. It is ironic that you can't see through your own racist, sexist and ageist position when you think you are taking the high moral ground. And your assumption that I am middle class, which may be true, dismisses the fact that I was raised in poverty, sometimes in foster care, so my views are not developed through the prism of middle class values even if that was remotely relevant!
Wow. Spot on.
People who portray this incident as racist such as Beth p are the real racists. Steve Johnson gets booed almost every game for his ego and dodgy tactics (cats supporter) and it's almost identical to this. This should not have ever gone this far but the fact is the media and others thrive off this for attention. Racism is a big problem but not in this incident, Move on and focus on the footy!
Footylegend141 Unfortunately this view is one that gets drowned out in the excitement of going on witch hunts for racists. People don't care about racism they just wanna point the finger. People would rather retaliate than educate.
What I'm finding a bit weird is how as I roll down through the comments on this page, not once do I see aboriginal people being labeled in a racially derogative fashion (which is good). Yet over and over I am reading racial slurs towards white people and nobody doing anything about it (Like the comments being deleted, for instance).
Kinda feels like a free for all against white people in here, not a conversation.
Ethan Boyd yeh man, poor white people man, its not fair eh. I'm white and its just like really annoying sometimes, yeh . Go back to bed Ethan you doofus
Ethan Boyd It's not racist to point out that Australians - the overwhelming majority of whom are white - have a serious problem acknowledging that there are injustices with which we have treated indigenous Australians in the past. It's not racist to point out that it's hypocritical to boo Adam Goodes when he has done nothing other than speak his mind, in an honest and respectful fashion, when we cheer footballers who act like absolute yobs.
Ok, point taken. I should be quiet.
But please, have fun trying to get beyond actions that happened in the past (that people today (other then racists morons) fully accept were not good choices, which were committed by people who are no longer alive.
If the Australian public and government were denying the atrocities of the past altogether, I would probably understand an action like Goodes. But they don't, people - even the government accepts it happened and are regretful for it.
Have fun dealing with the consequences and confusion you will go through when you respectfully show your honest opinion about something, by lobbing a metaphorical spear at someone.
Ethan Boyd
point taken? If you'd taken the point you wouldn't have posted again. What you are trying to express I'd need to be paid to bother deciphering, but I'm not your tutor so go and take the first point again.
What I wrote wasn't all the difficult to understand, but ok - you win !
I didn't see the dance. Not because I don't like Adam Goodes (because I do) but because I don't like football. However, the fact that he did dance should mean nothing to the general population. I applaud him for dancing, as most men can't do it. I'm stunned that he received backlash, as he should be able to do anything positive that he feels like, without the vitriol from others.
one of the smartest man in Australia puts it perfectly. Good on ya' Waleed and Goodesy!
runtcash420 Alright brain surgeon, alright. Where's your show? Your golden logie?
lol having a show and a gold logie doesn't make you one of the smartest people
Fuck off wombat
What if a 13yo girl in the crowd waved an imaginary spear at Adam Goodes while making OOGA BOOGA noises? Do you think the big cry baby would have 2 burly security goons march her out of the ground? Heh heh.
Comments on this video prove Waleed to be 100% correct.
"the minute a minority doesn't know their place"
this guy thinks he is so smart ......
jim bob he is though.
So the bloke that has a PhD from Monash university is also a lawyer, a golden logie winner, writer, a politics lecturer and a co host on a television show among other things thinks his smart?
Waleed Aly for Prime Minister, he gets my vote.
Adam is a legend, I thought it was unreal should be more of it.
He is a whinging clown
Perfect comment, again, from Waleed. Sums up the whole arrangement sensationally.
Too bad he's too smart, and (sadly) too brown to be PM in this country.
I love Waleed Aly and agree 100%.
Adam aggravates the opposing team with the dance, throw, elbow gesture. Whatever you interpret that as, it is kind of aggressive. The opposing team is already devastated with the goal scored by the opposition, but this is confrontational. Do others do it, some make a motion, but Adam's is in your face, so I can see that it is annoying. The crowd have now joined up in booing this behaviour. Okay, I do not like it and I am really hurt by news about how much this is impacting Adam. I do believe he is a great guy, so I hope spectators stop this. It is not about racism though, it is just about sport rivalry. We really do respect you as a player Adam, and want you to stay in the game of course.
Well said Waleed!
We boo a dirty player - Adam Goodes
Nah Barry hall was dirty to the max💯😂facts
Whaleed Aly is a goose.
Goose means idiot yeah?
Cause he's nothing near an idiot.
Yes it does and yes he is
Stand with Adam Goodes: facebook.com/standwithadam
This is not true at all, adam goodes is a player who should have retired years ago, he starts of as sub almost every game and even sydney fans boo him because he wont pass the torch as it were. adam goodes regularly dives for free kicks and has not been fined or suspended in almost 3 years despite high bumps of players leading to concussions and tripping players, he is a dirty player and and he is very protected by the afl because sydney is a flagship team created to tackle rugbies dominance is NSW and adam goodes is the leader of this. apart from collingwood, sydney is the most hatred team in all of the afl, they are the only team aloud to breach the salary cap, by 10% despite victoria having the most expensive cities to live in. with this extra 10% they found a loophole to give each of their players an extra 10% of their salary to "help them live in an expensive city" they used this to take lance buddy franklin who is on a $1 million a year contract from the club, then every year he gets an extra $100,000 for his allowances.
but its not based on his race, he is a dirty player, you did not even read my argument
Beth P Sounding quite racist yourself Beth, every colour of skin can be racist not just the whites
***** your argument wasn't even about the incident, you've just taken it as an excuse to attack him on some other grounds. I mean, you started by saying 'Not true at all..' supposedly in response to Waleed Aly's comments? then give us your armchair selector stats, none of which are reasoned or even sensible. Just drivel.
the incident was about adam goodes responding to getting booed, i was talking about why people boo him. yes i cherry picked stats, so does everybody who wants to proove a point. waleed aly says that ALL australians are borderline racist if you are apart of the majority, which is just not true, he says "we all" loose our minds when a minority goes against the status quo as it were. this is not true and his whole point is about this. he has compared adam goodes to Michael long which is just unfair to Michael long. he says "we boo our discomfort" NO. we boo adam goodes for the reasons i have already listed. thats my point and you are an idiot for misunderstanding it.
Beth P privileged white male? who built civilization? women are getting power today through political correctness and its the reason we know what panties kim Kardashian has on today on the 6 o'clock news and people like Justin beiber have more power than anyone LOL
Who made him the fucking moral arbiter?
joe
He's booed on field because of his bad boorish attitude and behaviour, not because he's part Aboriginal. Pretending to throw a spear at the crowd, now that's not a way to endear the fans! What rubbish, just like the rubbish that comes from the lips of Waleed Aly every time he thinks he needs to share his warped ideology on us.
George Dowd nice high horse mate
George Dowd I know right, pretty shocking behaviour by Goodes... celebrating his culture and identity on the indigenous weekend. How dare he throw an imaginary spear at carlton supporters, i hope they weren't imaginary hurt.
George Dowd
Pretending to throw an imaginary boomerang as a part of a war dance. As a part of the crowd that night, as Carlton has always been my second favourite AFL team. If you take that the wrong way, you're an idiot. The booing was in poor taste. The fans gestured far worse and said horrendous things and he reacted in a culturally significant way during the indigenous round as opposed to flipping the bird, shooting a gun or any of the other stupid ways AFL players have done in the past.
And as far as warped ideology goes....not accepting racism is not warped ideology you Neanderthal, it's called progression as a species. Catch up.
'Part' Aboriginal? Which part is not Aboriginal?
Waleed didn't knock on your door and force you to listen. He was invited on show to express a view, and you've gone out of your way to listen to it.
Em Eff Given that his father is British, i'd say the British half.
Touche Waleed, this was also my take on this! How dare an indigenous person stand up and be counted in front of mainstream Australia! Get a life people, this is fantastic, soon Aboriginal people will be publically questioning about the way they have been treated, demanding more rights, and a real acknowledgement of the past. They may even want a Treaty or more power within the Australian Constitution! More power to Adam, and I'm cheering the war dance, out there and proud!
Definitely one of the most insightful and accurate comments on this whole exchange. Thanks Waleed. Thanks MT for sharing.
Good on Waleed, nailed it again! Good on you Adam! Celebrated your aboriginality and reminded us of our heritage!! Your live culture makes us all richer.
ha ha ha ha...Aly is a dill...his take on the facts is tabloid journalism writ large
I love it how Waleed keeps saying "We.." like he is trying to give the impression that he accepts that he is one of us Australians.
Deception at it's highest.
dannijabara
His point at it's finest.
KRUDD1992 You completely miss MY point, he rejects us Australians.
Ah. Christian love. Jesus is within you!
dannijabara I dunno, champ. He may reject the likes of you, but let's face it, when you spout ridiculous shit like 'he's not an Australian because he doesn't fit my conception of what an Australian is, and that is, an Australian just like me' you've gotta be used to rejection by now.
Tigregalis Another not so bright one. Let me put it a tad bit clearer for the impaired... He speaks with an Aussie accent but his heart lies somewhere else, i'll let you guess where.
And point out where i said he's not Australian, "champ".
This Waleed will put Australian society down at any given chance.
Just to remind everyone and to put it into context, it was national indigenous Footy week and he was just doing a indigenous war Dance after he kicked a goal you do relies that the Kiwis do similar thing before every game of rugby every time they play right so what's the difference ? oh that's right double standards and we cant have aboriginal people expressing themselves without permission soon they'll want to be in the Australian Constitution :O
infinity The Kiwis don't do it mid match as a "celebration" and they don't have a pretend spear aimed at the opposition ... Its a tasteful, ceremonial dance they have done for years.
Adam Goodes just wants to keep himself relevant in the world by annoying the fans of the game. I don't see other aboriginals ever do this "war dance" in any of their games ... why? because it isn't in good taste to charge at the opposition fans with a malicious intent ... why has he been pulled up for threatening? Im pretty sure a 13 yr old in the crowd would be scared to see someone running at them with angry look in their eyes. Why didn't Mr Adam Goodes get thrown out of the stadium?
Just to remind everyone and to put it into context, the Maori war dance is done BEFORE the New Zealand team play a game of rugby while they stare at the opposition team. It is not performed randomly at opposition fans in the crowd. It is a wonderful thing with a great back story with HUNDREDS of years of history. It is not some made-up spectacle, a cringeworthy example of cultural appropriation. And the Haka is not a solo performance used by attention whores who are always banging on about cultural sensitivity.
THERE'S your "double standards".
Adre Adr Timmy Cahill boxes the corner post when he scores a goal.
"I don't see other aboriginals ever do this "war dance" in any of their games ... why?" Why indeed. More of it, I reckon.
Melissa Plant soccer is a much different game to footy but if you want to compare, players that have over celebrated a goal have been known to get a yellow card. Cahill does not direct his punching at the crowd does he? Does anybody remember Mark Williams from Hawthorn? He used to shoot a shotgun in the air and that was considered unsportsmanlike and he was told not to do it again. Different rules for sooks
Exactly Waleed!! That's exactly why they "boo". It's not his Aboriginality it's because he refuses to sit in the "box" Australian society has for ppl like him. Goodes is a champion in every aspect. He makes me even prouder to be Aboriginal. I am proud my kids have a role model like him.
Waleed's a very smart guy, and just a nice human being, who seems to excel in anything he turns his mind to.
I knew him, and spent time with him for a very brief period... a long, long time ago. I probably have more positive memories of him, than he does of me...but whatever, he's absolutely spot on with what he's saying here.
Australia is a strange place. We like to trot out our cliches of 'being the lucky country', the land of a 'mate-ship' that would make Burke & Wills tremble @ the knees...and just being an egalitarian utopia the rest of the world could only aspire to, etc...
As with all things, it's only partially true. It's also a vision that is incredibly 'white' and 'male' in spirit.... Australia is a fantastic country. I see a lot of good people doing good things...all the time....I honestly wouldn't want to live anywhere else, even if I had the choice...
But there is a pretty significant 'blindspot' in our collective national consciousness when it comes to the original owners of this land...We are happy to see their sublime skill on display in the sporting arena, and the empty ceremonial displays ad infinitum..
But I think that Adam Goodes' particular crime was that he was actually named 'Australian of the year', and he used this occasion and the 'title' as an opportunity to point out that he himself wasn't actually representative of the circumstances of the broader Aboriginal population...that the Aboriginal people as a whole are afflicted by chronic poverty, social dislocation, racism, imprisonment, death-in-custody, and medieval diseases....a third world within a first that our structures of power prefer concealed and marginalized..
The current policy on Aboriginal Australia essentially amounts to a form of genocide...and I think a lot of these people who are getting up in arms and booing Adam Goodes would actually prefer it if Aboriginal Australia disappeared... I certainly know the father of Australia's current richest person, Lang Hancock did..
There is a privileged, over-ridingly powerful segment influencing this nation's psyche that wants genocide I believe.....but without the concerns of political correctness burdening them in any way that would prevent them from filling out their tax returns, for instance...or ruining our chances of being accepted into the UN security council.
We do want to walk into our next workplace meeting knowing we have no politically-correct blood on our hands...So, whatever.
I don't believe in the validity or the moral worth of a world where others must 'necessarily' suffer for my prosperity. It's a shame that this is the overriding sentiment within the Washington-derived, imperial subjugate juggernaut that is Australia.
But hey, at least Pine Gap can give us an intimate view of the suffering of indigenous Australia even if our un-biased corporate media can't... The-y know EvErYthInG!
To be honest, A CIA agent is probably better equipped than any regular Australian is to give a detailed account of alcohol abuse within aboriginal communities.
Steven Simpleton Profound. Thank you
Waleed again..starts off being rational then plays the race card.
Typical white guy comment.
You take a stand against their racism and even the white people who otherwise CLAIM not to be racist immediately jump in to defend the openly racist white people 😑
I can't believe people got this mad over a dance.
I love how Waleed tells me how to think...thank you for being my moral compass....
Waleed you have no idea..
Why is this two-bit "journalist/comedian" having his say on a matter he obviously has no idea about? No one likes the person that is Adam Goodes... he is an arrogant antagonist that thinks he is above the fans of footy. Hurry up and retire so we don't have to see you turn our game of footy into a political arena.
Adre Adr When has Waleed ever been a comedian? He is a journalist.
SwayJJ Do you not watch The Project? Its a bunch of "journalists" trying to be funny .... counts a "journalist/comedian" to me
Adre Adr People having humour does not make them a comedian. I like to crack a joke at work, that does not make me a comedian
SwayJJ So now we're having an argument about the definition of a "comedian"? Jesus Christ. How 'bout you go and join Warren Andrews at the kiddie's table and you can argue about the definition of a "question" as well.
BigRamifications Is this one of those kiddie tables that have those curly straws in the drinks? I don't mind them at all. Increases the enjoyment of drinking 10 fold
haters on here cant handle the truth.Would you prefer to hear it from a well respected white australian in peter fitzsimmons?? because peter has the exact same stance
I'd rather hear it from a great Australian, Shane Warne. Warnie reckons we have a right to boo anyone we please.
I am really glad for people like Waleed Aly.
Why cant we be like New Zealand and embrace the culture of our land
prolific187 I agree went there on a holiday it was awesome to see Mauri street names town names paintings everywhere loved the place
"I've seen footballers give oposition fans the finger.... and they might get fined but they don't get booed for it." That sentence is 100% wall-to-wall bullshit. I can't wait to listen to the other 1½ minutes of Waleed's sermon....
What part of that is bullshit? There have been numerous examples of this happening mate and they don't get booed consistently week to week. Your comments are 100% wall to wall bullshit.
Lucas Browne EVERYTHING about it is bullshit. Firstly, since your pal Waleed is so big on analogies, we must compare apples with apples. A player must aggressively and ostentatiously charge towards fans with his "rude finger" raised for thousands in the crowd to witness, not some gutless little drive-by where maybe only a dozen people noticed.
You agree with Waleed? You honestly reckon a player wouldn't get booed for that? Hahahaha!
I will agree with one bit. I vaguely remember one occasion where a player has flipped the bird to the crowd. But since you're sure this has happened NUMEROUS times, can you point me in the right direction there, tough guy? Got some names for me? Rough dates when it happened?
Lucas Browne Got any names and dates for me there, big fella? Players flipping the bird. Not getting booed.
They have happened NUMEROUS times, remember?
BigRamifications agreed. Waleed was attempting to build a case that this is about racism but it fails the reality test
BigRamifications Way to dodge the real issue there guy! Keep focusing on semantics, that'll show em'!
Adam goodes was booed because Australians are sick and tired of being told what to do .. the booing was a one fingered salute to the establishment ... the booing was the crowds speaking " we are sick of political correctness and this us how we are going to show it !"
+john the baptist bones your English is impressive
Wow , I see your social anxiety is in remission , Caitlin , congrats ......
Why ask Waleed???????????
"Adam Goodes calls out racist spectator", no he didn't; he bullied a young girl. That's why I've gone off Adam Goodes. This is not to say that I take issue with Waleed Alys'' comments. As for Michael Long, He should be remembered for his hit on Troy Simmons in the 2000 Grand Final. Here's a thought; keep politics out of sport.
Well that young girl bullied him and got called out for it, maybe parents shouldn't teach kids to be racist 🤷🏽♀️
You've got it Waleed! I totally support that. For goodness sake the Maori do the Hakka before a rugby game which is specifically designed to not only intimidate the opposition but to throw them off their game, what Goodsie did wasn't even close to either of those things. The issue is that he dared to suggest that the Aboriginal people of Australia have their own cultures and chose to express it openly rather than just going along with what white people deem acceptable behaviour.
We can't be a truly united country unless we allow our indigenous brothers and sisters to openly express their cultures. Why do people find it so threatening?
I could give a damn that Goodsie references his culture on the football field.
LJY08 Absolutely.
ummm aboriginals express their culture all the time and never get the sort of treatment that adam gets. look at cathy freeman ffs. im half aboriginal myself and me and literally every aboriginal in my town is embarrassed by his behaviour.
also don't compare the haka to this dance. the haka is an old cultural dance wheras the goodes dance was invented a few months before this by some teenagers
Tommy gun Cathy Freeman was lambasted the same way when she carried the Aboriginal flag with the Australian flag when she won gold at the 2000 Olympics. The media where all over it sprouting the same garbage, that it was 'divisive'.
The reality is that it makes some white folks (namely middle-class, white men) uncomfortable to see Aboriginal people expressing their culture so openly, they just want these people to toe-the-line and just go with the flow so they don't have to acknowledge something that makes them feel very uncomfortable about our past. It's bullshit.
What was so bad about what Goodsie did? Really?
If I had a victory and was having fun I would be doing the happy dance too. What is going on? is everyone board, is it a slow news week. I'll express myself anyway I want, as long as I don't injure anyone; and so can Adam and anyone else on the team.
Well said waleed! There is still a bit of growing for us to do. Goodes is the sacrificial lamb who will help instigate this growth. Sure, some will never grow no matter how much you water em, but there are many who want to grow and understand but take the hard angle to find quick growth. Australians are good willed in general but some of us love patronising because we can pretend we care. As soon as they no longer can patronise the ones seemingly below them on the social ladder, the games become nasty. Sad mentality, which is as a consequence of a lack of maturity!
nailed it!!!!
1995? Go back to 1993 and Nicky Winmar lifting his shirt but it is a terrible situation when you are criticised for booing an opposition player at the footy. Going back to 1993 I was annoyed (as a St. Kilda supporter) NOT from the crowds reaction BUT from the reaction of some people (namely the then President of Collingwood) well after the game. I hardly ever go to the footy as the atmosphere has plummeted. It is dangerous to award 'Australian of The Year' to a sportsperson that can't represent Australia and only a part of Australia.
well done Waleed Aly - you said it what I have I always thought :)
NAILED IT
People like Waleed Aly do their cause and that of reconciliation no end of harm when they keep reverting everything that happens back to racism .He may like to check out the meaning of racism -( the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.) I think this is exactly what he was trying to say about mainstream Australia @ .044 - 1.15
You make me wish I could be more Indian. Adam Goodes makes me wish I was more Indigenous. Keep on keeping on, mine friend..!
"Wailing Waleed" the ABC's apologist for all things obnoxious. Goodes is a sook both on and off the ground, lost all credibility when he pointed out a 13y/o child for 'name-calling' during a game. The less said about Wailing Wally and his continual denial of islamic involvement in muslim atrocities the better.
As for Goodes, what part of "Aboriginal Culture" does he speak for? Certainly NOT My Tribe - Wurundjeri tribe on whose traditional land the MCG and Docklands are located,and where he plays footy, has never once has he spoken to us.
The shameful display of a "war dance" [cough, splutter] had nothing to do with sportsmanship and even less to do with Aboriginal culture, it was made up by an 'Under 16's' footy team a few years ago. To conflate it with the NZ All Blacks' "Haka" is stretching the bounds of credibility in a desperate attempt to get Goodes off the hook for gross racism/'hate speech.' Goodes should hang his head in shame!
Bill Richards What's so bad and shameful him expressing a dance similar to the 'Haka'? That 13 year old was made a good example of, get the ball rolling on the racism that still conquers here in Australia.
Even if it had less to do with 'Aboriginal culture', it certainly showed the true colours of people and how they feel about the clash of cultures.
HangDeath Goodes little 'war dance' had nothing to do with the Haka (which is directed at the opponents, not the fans and even less to do with "Aboriginal culture". Please learn your history as his little dance was made up by an 'Under 16's coach' a couple of years ago. I am of an Aboriginal tribe (Wurrunjerri) who hate and despise his mob! My mob are not koori or ATSIC, We sit alone and proud!!!
Bill Richards I'm using the Haka as an example here and maybe he was directing this to the crowd out of frustration, seriously this wasn't that bad. And I'm sure Goodes is disappointed that your mob still despise your fellow brothers.
+HangDeath His mob were never 'our brothers'. Learn bit more about Aboriginal heritage, we come from vastly different areas of Australia.
Bill Richards Well, it's a shame they don't teach it in schools.
Showing that you are 'different', it's divisive! One is an Australian or not (quite)! Imagine that Croats, Serbs, Kenyans, Germans, Eskimos, Muslims, .....etc, started to 'demonstrate' their: I'm "xxx-Australian". Just like the African-Americans, Latino-Americans, what else - ?White-Americans! What a great united country it would have become!
Bullshit Waleed,
ADAM GOODES...
You are a brilliant footballer but play the game not the spectator...crowds pay good money to see good football..you know as we all know combative sport brings out the full spectrum of emotions from the crowd, frustration, happiness, anger, tension, anxiousness, sadness and so on...the crowd are tribal in nature and have been forever and a day.
Adam most if not all I know hate racism but to single out a 13 year old girl (yes she's 13 but still a minor) stop the game to call security and have her escorted out by two security guards in front of 50,000 spectators (and well over a million viewers) was over the top..how do you think she might feel given you have full access to the media to tell your side but she did not?...she's 13 Adam...a kid!!
You then decide to provoke the spectators (all white) with a war dance simulating throwing a spear at them..that's racist Adam, pure and simple...the same thing you are screaming out..go figure.
If you think this is about race then perhaps can you tell me why my sporting hero who is indiginous and the 71 other AFL indiginous stars are not booed?....well?? Perhaps it's about your actions rather your race!
Then when the crowd reacts as it always has you pull out the race card. Can you possibly imagine if say Hawkins after scoring a goal simulated loading a musket and shooting it into a crowd of indiginous spectators there would be outrage, banned for life, shunned from society and so on...
Many a sporting player across the world have been fined for inappropriate gestures towards the crowd..yours was Adam..I was offended, you can do far better than that given you recieved Australian of the year award.
Play football, not the spectator!
Take a hypothetical white AFL player of English/German/Polish/Russian descent. If he was being racially vilified via some offensive term pertaining to his race and that player called out a 13 y.o girl from the crowd (like Goodes did) AND say that player had a history of staging for free kicks and the next season that same player ran up within metres of a group of opposition supporters in the crowd making a weapon-weilding gesture in a threatening manner (perhaps shooting imaginary guns) that player would be booed too.
Players who provoke the crowd and interact excessively with the crowd get booed, e.g Jason Akermanis. Another thing is if he was shit nobody would boo him. He is a great player who can win the game and deprive the opposition of victory, which contributes to opposition fans disliking him.
This is not about a man of a minority speaking out against racism like Michael Long did. Michael Long changed the game for the better and the man who vilified him that day, Damian Monkhurst, publicly apologised and appeared next to Michael Long that week in a press conference and a stand against player-to-player racism was made.
Supporters in the seats are not players, it is not the supporters "workplace" so they are not bound by those same ethics the players are.
Adam Goodes called out the girl as if she was a player.
Adam Goodes biggest mistakes have been interacting with the crowd -- namely opposition supporters.
If he never interacted with opposition supporters the booing would never have reached the sad place it has.
The implication that an Australian crowd and/or society is racist because of their action (in this case) boo-ing is offensive if they are not. And you know what? On the whole they aren't. I feel for Adam Goodes because if he's personally hurting, and feels like his vilified then he deserves support. But when people, try to support him by attacking others, especially when they're innocent.. then they are just bad as those racist people.
It's called false accusation, defamation, stereotyping, however you want to phrase it and it's wrong, just as racism is. Calling me racist when I'm not is akin to call a dad playing with his children a pedophile when he's not. Calling a Muslim a terrorist, when they are not. These are damaging statements, which affect peoples reputations, how they are viewed in society and just like Adam Goodes, their mental health.
I think the boo-ing should stop, and I think that any negative racial intent from the supporters should stop but that shouldn't stop people from having and expressing a legitimate view, and persecuted wrongly for having one.
this is true but I think for this situation is not what he is arguing
Some people have compared Australia and New Zealand on this issue. One term that was used in New Zealand last century was "Cultural Transparency" and it seems to be no longer part of the New Zealand vocabulary. This is exactly what Waleed Aly is discussing here.
"Cultural Transparency" means to render your own culture transparent to others around you and conform to how you understand that others should perceive yourself.
When other people cannot see any expression of your own culture and they see only a conforming individual.... isn't this what the politicians describe as being Australian is all about?
A spear-throw gesture, is a spear-throw gesture, no matter what 'spin' you put on it.
Extremely well said and I'm impressed by your reasoning Waleed, but I don't agree with your kernel of thought. Sure, you may be right about an element of thinking going on from a minority of contributors, but this is something much bigger that that. This story transcends a particular opposition team-supporter group, state, micro-culture, time, and thus racial inclination (of the boo-ers).
There are many facets to this matter, but one that stands out to me, is that if one does a war dance against fans, how can you not understand that it is an offensive act to those it was directed at- the fans, not the armchair commentators? If a non-indigenous footy player jested a spear-throw at you in an opposition crowd, after kicking a goal, what would your immediate reaction be? Boo, not on, un-sportsmanship behaviour, calls for fines, suspension, re-education, etc.
Furthermore, those that analyse every minutiae of factors and opinions in hindsight, are missing the point of what reaction is. If someone randomly comes at me in the street (or where-ever), projecting a message of violence (or war), then I really don't give a sh** what their reasoning is, or their race, or their underprivileged upbringing, or whatever. It's hugely insulting and provocative. [Don't read into this that I am suggesting Goodes is underprivileged or privileged]
I've a strong feeling that Goodes didn't intend to offend the crowd, and was just trying to highlight his culture in a culturally-focused 'arena' (the indigenous round), but as the saying goes - we judge others by their actions, and ourselves by our intentions.
A spear-throw gesture, is a spear-throw gesture, no matter what 'spin' you put on it.
Not true , Not true please Media people in the future don't talk about " Australia " like you know every single one of us , some people boo , some don't but the majority don't like Adams Goodes because he lacks intergrity specially on the football field . Yes if you have a cause and you're willing to stand up for it all the power to you. But Adam Goodes like to be in the spotlight, and he goes out of his way by to make everyone else look guilty, and it's a shame that he's using a very touchy subject like racial bullying, to make himself look good, if you want to look good and stick to the opposition do it by kicking goals and showing what an awesome player you are in the field, eg like ex Hawthorn and now his team mate " Buddy " Franklin or from the opposition Cyril Ryoli . Now their 2 players that are not only proving a point that australian indigenous are awesome people, but their also showing to future Indigenous and indigenous overall that if you can show your Aboriginal pride by being good at something other that " Talking or Dancing " . Play Footy if you want to Dance go into Dancing With The Stars Australia .
Well said!!! that is the universal truth, Love Adam Goods standing up for his rights.
What a load of shit. WCE fans have never liked Goodes since the mid 2000 for two reasons 1 he is a great player who can change a game in minutes. 2 he is a whinging whinny cry baby. I didnt care when he pointed out the girl or did his spear throw. Didnt bother me at all. He is one of my least liked afl players meanwhile my favourite nfl player is Jonathon Thurston. I love indigenous players as they are some of the most entertaining (why we watch right) how come i dislike Goodes but love Thurston? Its not racism its just hes not a likable guy (from a viewers perspective) probably hanging out with Anthoney Mundine too much. Anyway i feel if he is hurting then the booing should stop as really its only a game. Chin up Goodes we dont hate you.
gosh imagine Waleed playing the minority card ...lmagine my surprise. Supplicant and Goodes in the same sentence is bit of an oxymoron. While we give credence to his behaviour and continue to enable his divisive and exclusionary behaviour he will continue t.o have detractors. FYI I feel vilified regarding his "invasion Day" comment and with the logic we use for racism is equitable - if i perceive therefore it is
Only the ABC would allow someone who is not an ex player or a dedicated sports journalist/commentator have their 2 bobs worth. I thought the treatment of Adam Goodes was terrible, but I don't want to hear the politicised, societal view from a leftist like Ali. I'd rather hear from an indigenous ex player or community leader. But Waleed can't resist sticking his beak into issues
People just making excuses here claiming they booed Goodes for his movement was regarded inappropriate, disguise the fact that they are just not feeling comfortable to feel sorry to Goodes for the minor group of racist people in their society.
Their though would be like "I'm no racist, why should I be ashamed of a 13years old's act? Besides I really hate u while u were accusing us on the moral high ground."
I still meet lots of racist people on the internet, it's so funny and sad they proudly call themselves troll.
It's just a matter of perspective, saying a few hundred years ago white people traveled all over the world and conquered many places with their success from industrialisation. Just like the Germanic build up Germany after defeating other minorities, then things went bad. They put lots of hate onto Jewish people, everyone knows what happened next, it's the shame of humanity.
The point im trying to make is, racism is a big deal. No matter Jews hates German or German hates Jews, it's the hostility between two races and one day it is going to pay off when it has been accumulated to a certain extend. Today you call the Asian you see on the street stupid, small eyes or ChingChingdingdong or woteva, maybe tomorrow they will throw a nuclear warhead on your land.
The racist people, they will just never understand it is not themselves the only people who have the power to hate, they need a punch in the face until they have really learnt something.
There is a reason why it's a cardable offence to celebrate your goal in front of the away crowd in English Football. Especially if you're dumb enough to taunt the away crowd like a moron, any player in the world would get booed if a pompous prick did this in just about any code.
Numerous footballers, one coming to mind Luis Suarez, he wasn't as bad as Goodes, but he created enough controversy to get the away crowd to boo him quite regularly, it's not racially motivated at all though.
So to have a person like goodes who taunted the away crowd like a child regularly to have started this booing trend is so painfully obvious what it originates from it's rather quite embarrassing to even go down this ridiculous racism road once again. Especially embarrassing for Goodes to actually take personal leave because of it and cry after being the taunter.
You're tarring alot of people with the same brush Waleed. There may be some genuine racists amongst the booers, but that doesn't mean that all booers are racists. That argument should sound familiar....
Perhaps the problem is that when people BOO, they provide an opportunity for a racist to express their hate? The harmless booers are enabling the hateful, harmful booers. That argument sound familiar?
You shouldn't be prejudiced against an entire group of people because of the intentions an actions of a relative minority within that group. That argument should sound familiar, too.
He said he has seen opposition players give fans the finger and they may get a fine but they don't get booed for it ! He really is just making it up as he go's along ,if an AFL player gave the fans the finger they would boo him for the rest of the game at the very least .
"...Australia is generally a very tolerant society, until its minorities demonstrate that they don’t know their place. And at that moment, the minute a minority - someone in a minority position acts as though they’re not a mere supplicant, then we lose our minds. And we say, ‘No, no you’ve got to get back in your box here’. The backlash is huge and it is them who are creating division and destroying our culture and that is ultimately what we boo. We boo our discomfort.”
So true Waleed when minorities speak out people don't ,like it. it is all well when you are in their perceived boxes, as soon as you speak out shock horror, from 50 years of personal experience from and Indigenous Australian Go Goodsey
I love how people are so quick to say Adam goodes is standing up for what happen to the aboriginals in the past, okay that's all well and goo but no one ALIVE today was able to do anything about it, it happened so long ago and none of what happened would ever happen today? So what is he standing up for in reality? People that don't understand footy and what actually happens in the game of footy will call anyone that boo's Adam goodes a "racist" but actually in reality he does get booed for his on field behavior which is absolutely shocking. Also opposition teams are starting to realize if you boo him it's going to get him off his game, that means his mind and maybe Sydney's mind is not actually entirely on the game, and that furthers the Chances of the opposition team winning. At the end of the day it's just a game of footy, everyone goes home after and we're all happy. Instead of Adam goodes hiding behind the fact that it's racist why not thrive on the booing and play good footy and stick it to the fans that way. No one likes to be called somethin thing we aren't. People aren't RACIST if they boo Adam Goodes they're passionate fans. booing Is a part of the game, it has been since the start. It's Afl.
There seems to be alot of denial on this thread! And those who point the finger at the individual seem to avoid the issue by asserting the contrary. It's the reaction to the reaction! This corner of society has become too sensitive, which is ironic given the insensitive nature of "racism" in Australia. I thought the celebration was average considering the spectacles performed by other sporting nations (PI's and NZ). Sure this was magnified by the event and the media, but if there wasn't an issue, then I would not have heard of this....... And if there isn't an issue, then who cares?
I like Adam Goodes, great player. Personally, I couldn't give a toss if someone was purple with pink stripes. The race issue is simple, we love to hate! This is not simply a Australian debate, it's a world issue. If we don't hate the indigenous, we hate the immigrants, if they are limited, we hate our own. I'm on my third passport and have eaten with friends and strangers from far and wide and this nonsense runs deep everywhere! I have met Russian champions denied representing their country in the Olympics because they had Jewish blood. I have had easy passes for having white skin and I have had the crap beaten out of me for the very same reason! I have not been to a country that hasn't got a beef with a particular other but when I do, I might stay a while!