The Power Hungry Podcast: Bill McKibben
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Bill McKibben, the author of 20 books, as well as the founder of 350.org, is one of the most famous climate activists in America. In this episode, he discusses his latest book, The Flag, The Cross, and The Station Wagon, patriotism, why he wants “energy from heaven instead of energy from hell,” why he doesn’t support the construction of new nuclear plants (“nuclear is slow and expensive”), and why climate change is the “first truly time-limited problem we’ve come up against.” (Recorded June 29, 2023.)
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Thank you for having him on. The more people that hear his message the more will realize that he has no argument. He lives in a fantasy world.
Thank you gentlemen for sitting down and having this conversation. I saw something creep in here that I find in my own life and it's that those in my circle that are all in green really can't discuss beyond their own feelings about what being green means practically. There is no discussion of the difficult trade offs or even that they understand where energy comes from at all. They feel good about their stance - end of story. Even worse, the desire to discuss details elicits a defensive backlash and the inevitable declaration (slur) that I'm a climate denier.
I can’t decide whether this guy is absolutely delusional or pure evil. Mr. Bryce, you have the patience of a saint.
I just turned this on and I feel sure I won't be able to sit through it. I don't find religious cults interesting especially anti-human cults.
I hear you. It's difficult. The guy's a kook.
The guest is delusional in his thought processes. Dangerous!
Valiant attempt Robert... When confronted with any actual use case his arguments fall apart.
Glad to hear this conversation. Thanks for talking to Bill. It's interesting to hear the different perspectives and good to see that it was mostly a civil conversation despite disagreeing on almost everything :) Respect to both of you for having the discussion.
Tactical observation. Bill was able to parry lots of small thrusts about multiple problems. I would choose one killer blow and stick with it.
e.g. "what would it look like?". Scenario: A solar/wind/battery facility producing 1 Gigawatt 24/7.
Start at the equator assuming sunny days, but with no wind for a few days. You need about 3 Gigawatt installed solar capacity and around 16 GigaWatt Hours of battery to get through 24 hours.
Now move away from the equator a bit and factor in the reduced angle of the sun and shorter days during winter. At some latitude you probably need 6 GigaWatt installed capacity for a sunny winter 24 hours.
Now have a rainy day. You now need around 12 GigaWatt installed capacity (6 for today and 6 recharging from the rainy day) and 40 GigWatt hours of battery (16 for today and 24 for the rainy day)
Now two rainy days, 64 GigWatt hours of battery, and so on.
At some point you can assume wind helps out, but it's not unreasonable to assume not much wind or sun for several days.
Needs to be calculated properly for some specific locations, but you get the idea.
Cloud Cuckoo Land .......... I am not sure what world he lives on ??? ........... He will NEVER listen to reason ...... Well done Robert as I would not have had the patience .
If only we could harness the steam coming from Robert's ears as Bill danced around every question...
Bill should live outside of Sweetwater TX so he can gaze at the hundreds (thousands) of wind turbines he claims to love. The turbines stretch as far as the eye can see.
Thank you to Robert Bryce and Bill Mckibben. This is the debate that we desperately need to engage across the ideological divide, the immovable object versus the irresistible force. The Industrial Revolution, better described as the fossil fuel revolution, created the previously unimaginable prosperity in which we have all lived our lives. The global energy infrastructure based on fossil fuels is an immovable object that makes possible abundance for billions. That immovable object is colliding with an irresistible force, the accumulation of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. Increased CO2 is warming the atmosphere and oceans, changing the climate in unpredictable and certainly dangerous ways. The energy transition we face is fraught with peril. Bryce does an excellent job at describing that risk. That does not mean Mckibben is all wrong. Don't shoot the messenger just because the message is bad news.
This guy seems very entitled and interrupted you over and over again with bullet points. This video is a really hard watch.
Thanks for having this guest on. Bill is clearly a decent, thoughtful person. I like to hear point and counterpoint.
Mass solar farms in highly populated India? Sounds a big ask.
No doubt climate change is a major issue. So is habitat and availability of arable land.
Small footprint nuclear has to be a major part of the mix.
How's that solar plant going to work during monsoon season??
I recommend you remind guests to face the window and have cameras back to the window.
I appreciate you having this debate. I had a lot of the same reactions you did - he is way too idealistic and doesn’t live in reality. I’d like some of the Hopium he’s having!
"Ive also spent a lot of time in rural America...Vermont and upstate NY." I don't think he even sees how narrow that sample of rural America is🤣
This is painful to listen to ...
So difficult to watch to the end ......... a mind that will never be changed !!!
Wrote 20 books? Based on what research? To sit there and babble on about affordable power, when there is clearly so much overwhelming evidence of the high cost of wind and solar projects, of their unreliability, of the impact this would have on national security, if we were to be purchasing so many of our solar power Panels from China!
And then just to ignore the examples, that we see in Germany, which is being destroyed financially, because they followed the policies pushed by the wind in the solar proponents.
You gave it a shot, Robert… And we see once again the vast difference between your reporting, which is so greatly tied to facts and data, as compared to warm, fuzzy babble.