@@anime_hub00 ik but in both they're commiting genocide . For Eren he chose save eldians over the world For Zeke he chose the world over eldians in a way .Zeke's plan is genocide (To eldians) with less pain while Eren's plan is genocide to the whole world ( plus some few eldians) but more brutal .
aint no way imma live my whole life fighting titans to survive just to know the outside world is a bunch of jaded bitches and im just going to roll over and die and accept that? ah hell nah you got me all kinds of ways fucked up
Eren was the son grisha wanted in Marley Zeke was the son grisha wanted in paradis , I feel so bad for Zeke for his father , for Eren I just feel bad for everyone in this show
@@文明メゾポタミア I guess I meant to point out that Eren seemed pretty chill until the visions in the cave and fulfilled his role as a loving son to Grisha. Since there is no evidence either way it's just an assumption. Good and bad aren't expressive enough words for me to attempt to describe the dynamics involved in their relationships. I had nothing to say or imply about Zeke in my comment but he was definitely a casualty of circumstance.
It’s crazy how one episode on his backstory can give you a whole new perspective on a character you hated the ever loving fuck out of. Isayama’s a legend. Ksaver’s “If only I’d never been born” line, is to this day still one of the saddest lines in the show to me.
Zeke's parents never raised him as a normal child. So from Ksaver's perspective it makes sense to denounce them in order to protect Zeke. :) I think Grisha's biggest mistake is his failure at being a parent. Yes, the situation was dire. But he treated Zeke as more of a means to an end rather than an actual child. When he was born, he didn't say, "Thank Ymir for blessing me with this son", all he could think about was how his royal blood would help him fulfill his goal. Zeke didn't even seem to want to be a Titan. But he wanted his father to actually love him and spend time with him so much that he was willing to throw his life away. And even after he was trying his best, all he received was Grisha yelling and being disappointed at him. *So when Tom actually seemed to care for him, it's no wonder that he bonded more with him than his parents.* *Reciprocally in Zeke, Ksaver saw his dead young son and I think their relationship was really genuine. He didn't bond with Zeke for a Marleyan's interest that he actually doesn't really care for, he even said to Zeke that he was not interest in their war games, he didn't become himself the Beast Titan for Marley. Ksaver is a researcher who want to unravel the mysteries of the Titans as he explained.* *''I'll always be watching over you, Zeke'' the last words of Tom Ksaver before to get eaten and what a father would tell to his (adoptive) loved son*
Ksaver: "When she found out that I was an Eldian..." Them: "She left yo ass😂" Ksaver: "She slit my son and her throat" Them: "OOOOHH😮" Sorry that was too funny🤣
I don’t think there has ever been a single episode of television I’ve seen that made me completely switch up on a character. The way this episode recontextualizes Zeke’s entire character while giving him one of the most unique motivations I’ve ever seen for a villain is incredible. Zeke went from like bottom three characters to my top 1 in the entire series when I first watched this. Rewatching Zeke’s scenes in season 3 makes everything click. His indifference towards death as he massacred Erwin and the other scouts with boulders seemed psychopathic, but in reality he genuinely believed he was saving those people and the lives they would give birth to.
You can see here that Grisha's two sons have approached things very differently: * Eren believes that because he was born into this world, he's a special person who deserves to live an unrestricted life * Zeke believe that if he had never been born into this world in the first place, he wouldn't have to have suffered so much for his entire life-and he projects that onto the rest of the Eldians as well
I remember watching this show as it was coming out in 6th grade. The new episodes would be released on youtube in the morning so id watch on the bus before they got taken down. I really grew up on this show im 21 now 😂😢
What you said about everyone putting their memories on a DVD and just saw it together is same like Marco saying 'we haven't even had a chance to talk yet'
After watching the entire series, I can confidently say I have not cried for anyone as much as I have for Zeke. I have a son and I just can't. When I see little Zeke I see my boy and I just can't imagine ever treating him like that. F everything, he is the only important thing to me.
@@judaslann it's not about seeming pitiful it’s about the reality. All Levi did was lose people close to him, name a single person in this show who hasn't? Ymir for example literally slaved for 2000 years (felt like alot more due to paths) then Eren with all the founding titan fuckery and everything he did and had to do every scout probably lost all family etc. Losing people is bare minimum suffering in aot
one thing about having a peaceful, meaningful conversation is that all parties involved has to want to talk and others have to be willing to listen. without both, peace will never be reached
Two aot episodes in a row?? I'm blessed😻🥰😹 This show is messing with my head. Showing so many different perspectives on conflicts of our world literally, just to reflect that humanity is trash bcs communication doesn't work. People having different backgrounds and experiences so the observation is so different that it causes misunderstandings. But also everybody acts so foolishly. Like, if Zeke's plan was to save Eldians from suffering, why did he kill the scouts in s3 with so much fun?? Lack of fun in his childhood is no excuse to me 🕺
@@Ason19 ah yes. i know these two are kinda silly dumdum 😅 but again, i typed "yall". it's also for the audience. edit: and for you guys that dont know about tom sawyer, it's an old story but still kinda popular until the late 90s. even until early 2000 too, maybe. but now it's like.. so rare ppl that know about that story. the set of tom sawyer is the colonization time of europeans in america soil. so yeah, slavery still there. and it kinda fit with this tom ksaver guy. tom ksaver here, an eldian, is like the african. they being treated as a low class, u know. back then. no one want to get close to them. but tom sawyer is european. not african.
Based on this episode, we could divide reaction into 3 categories: 1. Oh so that what was happened with Zeke, but I don't give a f**k with his backstory, he wiped out many eldians, he killed Erwin! 2. I do feel bad for Zeke, he just want a normal life with his dad, this show really gives you soo many different perspective, we do not know who is right or wrong anymore. But still, I root for Eldians from Paradis side. 3. WTF happened with Levi?!! Did he dead? No way!! Really enjoy your reaction guys, be prepared for what about to come!! Eren always be Eren :)
it's not a spoiler, just remember Eren and even his mother Carla ALWAYS say we're free because we born into this world, so we will live it... just keep that in mind ;)
His story is sad sure, but no one in Marley as a Marlian or Eldian has a right to decide the fate of others in reproducing or not. If the world portrays such thinking in the citizens Of Marley, then the world is the problem- not the ancestors or the coming generation.
dam Mr.Ksaver is a snitch. the Zeke backstory is def sad, the way Erens dad treated Zeke wasn't right and def pushed that ball that is this story. I still side with my Eldians tho cuz they my people I feel that but part of me likes zekes plan but we will see
That euthanization plan thooooo....
I mean both brother's plan are just sick😂
@@cindyjuliemuhonja7904 Eren's plan more sick bro
@@anime_hub00 ik but in both they're commiting genocide .
For Eren he chose save eldians over the world
For Zeke he chose the world over eldians in a way .Zeke's plan is genocide (To eldians) with less pain while Eren's plan is genocide to the whole world ( plus some few eldians) but more brutal .
@@cindyjuliemuhonja7904yo shut up thats spoiling
aint no way imma live my whole life fighting titans to survive just to know the outside world is a bunch of jaded bitches and im just going to roll over and die and accept that? ah hell nah you got me all kinds of ways fucked up
Eren was the son grisha wanted in Marley Zeke was the son grisha wanted in paradis , I feel so bad for Zeke for his father , for Eren I just feel bad for everyone in this show
I never looked at it this way. That's interesting. I don't think Eren was a bad son but I guess there's no montage with them playing catch lol.
@@whoaskedforthis8320killing 80% of the humanity is not a bad son, and zeke being passive with his abusive parents is considered bad??
@@文明メゾポタミア I guess I meant to point out that Eren seemed pretty chill until the visions in the cave and fulfilled his role as a loving son to Grisha. Since there is no evidence either way it's just an assumption. Good and bad aren't expressive enough words for me to attempt to describe the dynamics involved in their relationships. I had nothing to say or imply about Zeke in my comment but he was definitely a casualty of circumstance.
It’s crazy how one episode on his backstory can give you a whole new perspective on a character you hated the ever loving fuck out of. Isayama’s a legend.
Ksaver’s “If only I’d never been born” line, is to this day still one of the saddest lines in the show to me.
Agreed. I cant think of any other show where the flashback episodes are consistently so good and recontextualises what you understand about the show
yea the way the tone shifts for the Marleyans once you learn their backstories is so good.
Zeke's parents never raised him as a normal child. So from Ksaver's perspective it makes sense to denounce them in order to protect Zeke. :)
I think Grisha's biggest mistake is his failure at being a parent. Yes, the situation was dire. But he treated Zeke as more of a means to an end rather than an actual child. When he was born, he didn't say, "Thank Ymir for blessing me with this son", all he could think about was how his royal blood would help him fulfill his goal. Zeke didn't even seem to want to be a Titan. But he wanted his father to actually love him and spend time with him so much that he was willing to throw his life away. And even after he was trying his best, all he received was Grisha yelling and being disappointed at him.
*So when Tom actually seemed to care for him, it's no wonder that he bonded more with him than his parents.*
*Reciprocally in Zeke, Ksaver saw his dead young son and I think their relationship was really genuine. He didn't bond with Zeke for a Marleyan's interest that he actually doesn't really care for, he even said to Zeke that he was not interest in their war games, he didn't become himself the Beast Titan for Marley. Ksaver is a researcher who want to unravel the mysteries of the Titans as he explained.*
*''I'll always be watching over you, Zeke'' the last words of Tom Ksaver before to get eaten and what a father would tell to his (adoptive) loved son*
This anime has never disappointed me, from the first episode to the last, everything was perfect. 😢❤❤
Ksaver: "When she found out that I was an Eldian..."
Them: "She left yo ass😂"
Ksaver: "She slit my son and her throat"
Them: "OOOOHH😮"
Sorry that was too funny🤣
I was laughing so hard at that lmaoo
😂
It gives mix feelings finding out why the Beast titan was obsessed with baseball throws
I sympathize with Zeke a lot after learning about his backstory. One of my favorite characters.
Favorite? Give me your other ones
My favorite after Eren
I don’t think there has ever been a single episode of television I’ve seen that made me completely switch up on a character. The way this episode recontextualizes Zeke’s entire character while giving him one of the most unique motivations I’ve ever seen for a villain is incredible. Zeke went from like bottom three characters to my top 1 in the entire series when I first watched this. Rewatching Zeke’s scenes in season 3 makes everything click. His indifference towards death as he massacred Erwin and the other scouts with boulders seemed psychopathic, but in reality he genuinely believed he was saving those people and the lives they would give birth to.
Damn
This is why this is the greatest tv show for me coz no one is wrong but no one is write either
*right
Agreed
You can see here that Grisha's two sons have approached things very differently:
* Eren believes that because he was born into this world, he's a special person who deserves to live an unrestricted life
* Zeke believe that if he had never been born into this world in the first place, he wouldn't have to have suffered so much for his entire life-and he projects that onto the rest of the Eldians as well
🙌🙌
I remember watching this show as it was coming out in 6th grade. The new episodes would be released on youtube in the morning so id watch on the bus before they got taken down. I really grew up on this show im 21 now 😂😢
13:22 Tobi out here preachin Zeke's plan like he at church 💀
I think Tobi is Zeke's numbah one fan 😂
Lmfao 🤣🤣
What you said about everyone putting their memories on a DVD and just saw it together is same like Marco saying 'we haven't even had a chance to talk yet'
After watching the entire series, I can confidently say I have not cried for anyone as much as I have for Zeke. I have a son and I just can't. When I see little Zeke I see my boy and I just can't imagine ever treating him like that. F everything, he is the only important thing to me.
Isayama really said f levi I'll make him suffer the most he took everything from him. And the fact that was levi horse since day one break my heart
Multiple people suffered more than Levi bro
Fr homie survived the return to Zhiganshina arc just to get taken out by a gd thunder spear
@@nnightkingjjust because Levi doesn’t make himself see pitiful doesn’t mean he hasn’t suffered the absolute most
@@nnightkingjseem*
@@judaslann it's not about seeming pitiful it’s about the reality. All Levi did was lose people close to him, name a single person in this show who hasn't? Ymir for example literally slaved for 2000 years (felt like alot more due to paths) then Eren with all the founding titan fuckery and everything he did and had to do every scout probably lost all family etc. Losing people is bare minimum suffering in aot
Y'all are feeding us and I couldn't be happier🙏
You know an episode is fire when you get a ton of answers that are so important that they only have like one minute left to casually kill off Levi.
one thing about having a peaceful, meaningful conversation is that all parties involved has to want to talk and others have to be willing to listen. without both, peace will never be reached
Have yall realized what the drawings on the beginning part with the episode number and name mean? Crazy how it was all there since the beginning
AOT ended but thanks to these guys AOT'S 🔥🔥🔥 is still in ablaze
Flamekeepers ❤
Sees photo of Griesha and Faye: who are these people??
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ジークの事を知れるこのエピソードは本当に悲しい😢
grisha's character design in season four is actually a little different
makes us feel better lol
Once you think they're done with the flashbacks...
this is Grisha, Eren and Zeke's dad 2:12
8:14
my bad ❤@@Core4VTReacts
Ep 17 the best Op be ready
Thank you for the double upload!!!❤❤❤
Two aot episodes in a row?? I'm blessed😻🥰😹
This show is messing with my head. Showing so many different perspectives on conflicts of our world literally, just to reflect that humanity is trash bcs communication doesn't work. People having different backgrounds and experiences so the observation is so different that it causes misunderstandings. But also everybody acts so foolishly. Like, if Zeke's plan was to save Eldians from suffering, why did he kill the scouts in s3 with so much fun?? Lack of fun in his childhood is no excuse to me 🕺
I used to hate zeke so much for killing erwin (my fav character), but knowing this episode make me feel so bad for zeke 😭
Probably yall dont know this, but you know..
Probably isayama got inspiration for "Tom Ksaver" name from "Tom Sawyer" 😅
Man are you kidding? these two can't even remember who Griesha is, the definitely are not getting any literary references.
@@Ason19 ah yes. i know these two are kinda silly dumdum 😅
but again, i typed "yall". it's also for the audience.
edit: and for you guys that dont know about tom sawyer, it's an old story but still kinda popular until the late 90s. even until early 2000 too, maybe. but now it's like.. so rare ppl that know about that story.
the set of tom sawyer is the colonization time of europeans in america soil. so yeah, slavery still there. and it kinda fit with this tom ksaver guy. tom ksaver here, an eldian, is like the african. they being treated as a low class, u know. back then. no one want to get close to them.
but tom sawyer is european. not african.
yall have to watch episode 18 19 20 and 21 all together trust me guys
watch these 4 episodes all together 18 19 20 21
Based on this episode, we could divide reaction into 3 categories:
1. Oh so that what was happened with Zeke, but I don't give a f**k with his backstory, he wiped out many eldians, he killed Erwin!
2. I do feel bad for Zeke, he just want a normal life with his dad, this show really gives you soo many different perspective, we do not know who is right or wrong anymore. But still, I root for Eldians from Paradis side.
3. WTF happened with Levi?!! Did he dead? No way!!
Really enjoy your reaction guys, be prepared for what about to come!!
Eren always be Eren :)
You telling me they went halfway through the episode and realized that was Grisha. Cmon guys put 2 and 2 together haha (I’m joking) good reaction tho!
That was grisha in zeke backstory
All bs aside you guys have a great analysis on the differences of perspectives. Good stuff
How could they not tell that's Grisha??? 😂
Another episode already? You spoil us! Loved this reaction as I do all of them. You guys really GET this show.
Tom Ksaver. K Saver. Pitcher. Tom Seaver.
You guys will understand Eren’s behavior. Don’t forget we haven’t seen what Eren saw when he kissed Historia’s Hand. Just wait, you are almost there 😁
How you guys don't recognized Grisha 😂
Bruh I need you guys to finish this lol.
3-4 episodes per week
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난 다음 에피소드 너무 기다려져요 !!! 최대한 빨리업로드 해주세요 aot시리즈가 너무 기다려집니다😊😊
Nice, keep it up. 9.9/10
Did u noticed the glasses and y is it important for Zeke ?
THAT'S EREN DADDDDDDDD !
8:14
it's not a spoiler, just remember Eren and even his mother Carla ALWAYS say we're free because we born into this world, so we will live it... just keep that in mind ;)
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His story is sad sure, but no one in Marley as a Marlian or Eldian has a right to decide the fate of others in reproducing or not. If the world portrays such thinking in the citizens Of Marley, then the world is the problem- not the ancestors or the coming generation.
U dont remember the girl in the picture tho?
those guys still dosent know Eren and Zeke have the same father ???
Of course we do. What gives you the impression that we dont? Theyre half brothers
@@Core4VTReacts didnt you say "is that eren jeger dad" ? in multiple time during the episode
@@Madmax-jg7kwWe were just saying “eren jaegers dad” to identify the man lol.
@@Core4VTReacts ah ok, im not english so somtime i dont understant everything maybe. part 2 of the season 4 is the best
y’all took wayyyy to long to figure out what was happening 😭
Sorry
dam Mr.Ksaver is a snitch. the Zeke backstory is def sad, the way Erens dad treated Zeke wasn't right and def pushed that ball that is this story. I still side with my Eldians tho cuz they my people I feel that but part of me likes zekes plan but we will see
U guys watch the show but dont remember the characters?
And still dont know eren git founding titan?
Bro what?