Listening to you reminds me very much of my days in the Infantry and common sense realistic approach we had to take to things. In the bad old days I used to throw my empties down the front of my shirt, body armour becoming more commonplace thwarted that technique. I've always acknowledged that my life wasn't worth a magazine in one hand but also been aware that Santa Claus was not going to be delivering 10 shiny new full 30 round magazines at the end of each contact and we trained that way, it wasn't uncommon to have section 2ics collecting up empty magazines and taking them back to the Pl Sgt and reloading them from loose rounds when a Platoon was supporting another Platoon from a FSPT posn. As a grunt on my belt rig I used S95 magazine pouches as they were lined with a thick PVC and used to keep their shape really well so you could put an empty in and then pull a full one out of the same pouch, in Recon I used to use very heavily modified Patt 83 vest which had dividers in the magazine pouches that did let me put the empty magazine away and remove a new one, sometimes it was a fumble and I had to look down at the pouch, sometimes it was slick but as you said, I had other people to cover me and I'd screamed out STOPPAGE so everyone knew to widen their arcs to cover for me or the guy I was assaulting with would stop crawling/bounding and law down fire until he heard my rifle firing again. I tried a dump pouch but hated it bashing against my leg when I was bounding so I just optimized my kit and practiced a lot until I could put them back in the pouch about as fast as I could put them in a dump pouch. I think the expendable magazines mindset came about from the IPSC/3 gun skills making its way into SOF for CQB which then filtered down into classes (and lets face it, most of the attendees are gun owners with no concept of the logistics involved in small unit operations) and the Infantry emulating what SOF are doing. We can't think in such a binary way however and I applaud you coming out and saying it.
Long time listener first time caller, lol. I love your common sense approach to the tactical world especially as it relates to us on the civilian side. They already learned this lesson in the black hawk down incident which is how dump pouches were invented to begin with. Those who dont learn for their history.... You too are also a student of history. I think some of our more progressive and complete soldiers of all time were the MAG v SOG folks. A lot of their methods pioneerd a lot of the current tactics. And some of the tactics and tips that they(magvsog) developed were abandoned for no good reason. That's one thing I never understood. The tactical community currently is only obsessed with the scenario I term "the high noon cowboy duel". Which that way of thinking you hit the nail on the head definitely comes from the three gun world. Anyways I love your work and I follow you on Rumble keep doing what your doing.
Im not military, i only worked executive protection and convoy security as a dumb civilian. I was taught to retain magazines, and im going to keep retaining my magazines and because im not rich and i spent alot of money.
when i saw your first video i thought for some reason when saying "retention" it meant retain BACK IN the pouch and not the dump pouch. you cleared that up pretty quickly though. I think most people are training for defensive world training and not retaining which you do mention is fine and if you are doing more than maybe 1 reload in a defensive shooting you are in big trouble. There's a lot of good thinking here and a lot of ideas I thought most people would think is fine too (i must have been wrong on thinking people would agree on things) . The only times I'm seeing combat fighting and no retention of mags is in Ukraine with the Defenders of a trench just dropping mags and grabbing ready mags stash all around them in the trench before they go to on their kits.
And that is all about how the unit is to operate. In some recon units in Vietnam and the SAS, they preach to reload and drink from your ruck before using your belt kit. There are tons of unit tactics that have been lost over the years and watered down in the name of teaching dummies or because all the combat vets just didn't know how to communicate and pass on the info
Listening to you reminds me very much of my days in the Infantry and common sense realistic approach we had to take to things. In the bad old days I used to throw my empties down the front of my shirt, body armour becoming more commonplace thwarted that technique. I've always acknowledged that my life wasn't worth a magazine in one hand but also been aware that Santa Claus was not going to be delivering 10 shiny new full 30 round magazines at the end of each contact and we trained that way, it wasn't uncommon to have section 2ics collecting up empty magazines and taking them back to the Pl Sgt and reloading them from loose rounds when a Platoon was supporting another Platoon from a FSPT posn.
As a grunt on my belt rig I used S95 magazine pouches as they were lined with a thick PVC and used to keep their shape really well so you could put an empty in and then pull a full one out of the same pouch, in Recon I used to use very heavily modified Patt 83 vest which had dividers in the magazine pouches that did let me put the empty magazine away and remove a new one, sometimes it was a fumble and I had to look down at the pouch, sometimes it was slick but as you said, I had other people to cover me and I'd screamed out STOPPAGE so everyone knew to widen their arcs to cover for me or the guy I was assaulting with would stop crawling/bounding and law down fire until he heard my rifle firing again. I tried a dump pouch but hated it bashing against my leg when I was bounding so I just optimized my kit and practiced a lot until I could put them back in the pouch about as fast as I could put them in a dump pouch.
I think the expendable magazines mindset came about from the IPSC/3 gun skills making its way into SOF for CQB which then filtered down into classes (and lets face it, most of the attendees are gun owners with no concept of the logistics involved in small unit operations) and the Infantry emulating what SOF are doing. We can't think in such a binary way however and I applaud you coming out and saying it.
Long time listener first time caller, lol. I love your common sense approach to the tactical world especially as it relates to us on the civilian side. They already learned this lesson in the black hawk down incident which is how dump pouches were invented to begin with. Those who dont learn for their history.... You too are also a student of history. I think some of our more progressive and complete soldiers of all time were the MAG v SOG folks. A lot of their methods pioneerd a lot of the current tactics. And some of the tactics and tips that they(magvsog) developed were abandoned for no good reason. That's one thing I never understood. The tactical community currently is only obsessed with the scenario I term "the high noon cowboy duel". Which that way of thinking you hit the nail on the head definitely comes from the three gun world. Anyways I love your work and I follow you on Rumble keep doing what your doing.
Im not military, i only worked executive protection and convoy security as a dumb civilian. I was taught to retain magazines, and im going to keep retaining my magazines and because im not rich and i spent alot of money.
when i saw your first video i thought for some reason when saying "retention" it meant retain BACK IN the pouch and not the dump pouch. you cleared that up pretty quickly though. I think most people are training for defensive world training and not retaining which you do mention is fine and if you are doing more than maybe 1 reload in a defensive shooting you are in big trouble. There's a lot of good thinking here and a lot of ideas I thought most people would think is fine too (i must have been wrong on thinking people would agree on things) . The only times I'm seeing combat fighting and no retention of mags is in Ukraine with the Defenders of a trench just dropping mags and grabbing ready mags stash all around them in the trench before they go to on their kits.
And that is all about how the unit is to operate. In some recon units in Vietnam and the SAS, they preach to reload and drink from your ruck before using your belt kit. There are tons of unit tactics that have been lost over the years and watered down in the name of teaching dummies or because all the combat vets just didn't know how to communicate and pass on the info
Do you know when the FLC vest began it's service?
You would think this would be common sense ❤