A very erudite, very refreshing explanation, indeed! Thanks very much. At 13:31 you quoted a hymn (I think from Maha Soura Suktam), which again is one of the hymns about cosmogeny. It alludes to the emergence of the universe from a state of singularity under extreme temperatures, creation of dark matter and energy, followed by an ocean (of fundamental particles still too fast to form atoms), creation of cyclical structures (like the atoms) followed by the stars and galaxies. Much of it is consonant with the current theories of cosmogeny.
thats the first time i heard this shloka/poem thought from rigveda ..but its amazing because thats how i would have explained it in the modern times without having known this ancient thought.
This sukta must be made as prayer to scientists who are working to find out the source of the universe. Because they are the beginning thoughts of humans about the source of the universe.
Nice review. Please note that many traditions have multiple creation songs, for example the native American and native Australian traditions have multiple creation themes!
We had in January. And he had graciously agreed to come. Unfortunately he met with an accident and needed bed rest and constant medical attention and so it could not happen this time. But in future, we will surely invite Dr. Ganesh again. Thank you for the suggestion and concern.
I really appreciated this beautiful talk and learned a lot from Dr. Hari Ravikumar's presentation on 'Srishti'. At the end of this lecture, Dr. Ravikumar states that the emphasis of the Vedas is on the essential one-ness of all, and that when we recognize this spiritual truth we cannot treat others as separate from/ inferior to ourselves. I wonder then how it was that this same society who were so invested in spiritual matters, were also enslaving the indigenous women, and killing the men? Did the spiritual 'one-ness' they wrote about not apply to those they called 'dasas'? This is a contradiction that troubles me greatly. I do not mean any disrespect, and hesitate to write my question for fear of causing offense. I want to be clear that in my own Judeo-Christian tradition I have faced a similar dilemma of trying to reconcile teachings of a loving 'God' with the "jealous" and punishing God of the Old Testament who sanctioned the killing of other (Goddess-worshipping/ polytheistic) tribes. How/ can a group be highly spiritual and highly violent at the same time? This is the Big Question I am struggling with today.
I am not scholar but right from my childhood my family taught me to respect each and every creation you see and feel. Every Santana dharma devotee is daasa to perform his duty towards srishti
You must read megasthenes, fa hein hieun Tsang and even the babar nama. Dasas were not slaves in the way the rest of the world had. Dasas were people in service and had rights to property and life and if one became a dasa due to punishment the same was not true for his family. Dasas and dasis were equivalent of househelps and many dasas became elevated to best friends of their masters and mistresses. Slavery was never. Practiced in this country. Bonded labour or indentured labour was a colonial gift. When a country suffers loss of independence due to its principled approach to life, such a state of servitude rubs off on the native population. But course correction is on and the very fact that women in this land from the very beginning of independence have enjoyed equal rights in all matters while the west struggled with such a concept well into the 20 th century,should tell you about the greatness and resilience of the world's oldest extant civilization.a civilization which believes in the purity of the human self and responsibility for one's own karma to achieve realization and civilizations which declare you a born sinner and at the mercy of a benefactor to be absolved of the sin of a certain Adam and Eve, must be studied in contrast and context. Do not go by the narrative of colonialists, Islamists and leftists to judge this civilization or you will deny yourself the opportunity to be enriched.
To keep peace violence is required but why the violence and how it should be meted is what sets apart this civilization from others. Long before the United Nations came up with its principled of war , the same were practiced and still being practiced in this land. Wanton bloodshed was never the culture of this land .if you understand the concept of dharma and karma, you will understand that the ultimate truth whom we refer to as ishwar and symbolized by aum is both everything and nothing. The devas,asuras and rakshasas are but representations of different kinds of nature, some almost divine, others totally base, etc. The most important aspect of this civilization is the realization of pure consciousness as opposed to the concept of original sin
@Erika, Aryan Invasion Theory is only a colonial conspiracy that Aryans came to India with Vedas and horses around 1500 BC and enslaved the local tribes. Now this theory has been proven wrong with archeological, literary, geopgraphic, geneologic and astronomic evidences. There has been No Scientific evidence for this so called Aryan Invasion or Migration around 1500 BC. This theory has now been replaced by the Out Of India theory which states that after the Dasarajnya War in which King Sudas defeats a confideration of 10+ Kings seiging him, the defeated tribes move out from Northwest of India to further west to Iran and Persia, further east in India, and some move further north into Central Asia. Some of these tribes move across to Europe over time. Hence, all the European languages have a lot in common with Sanskrit, which was considered as the mother language. British colonialists had to show to locals (Indians) that they were a superior race. Hence, they had conceived this Aryan Invasion Theory to say that their ancestors had come to civilise India 2 millinea back around 1500 BC and that these Aryans had destroyed and enslaved local tribes. This was never the Indian culture, but was the culture of Abrahamic religions who destroyed the indegenous cultures across the world. Slavery was never practiced in India. Even when Kings fought one another to become an emperor, they followed ethical rules and would never fight after sunset, never attack any civilians including women or children, never destroy crops or destroy cities. What you may have heard about Dasa tribes being enslaved is mere colonial conspiracy and not the truth. In my own tradition, we are taught that god resides in everyone and in everything, everywhere including inside my own self. The same god resides in you as well despite whatever religion you may believe in and practice. Hence, the god also doesn't differentiate between us both despite what religion we may practice or believe in. We however would experience good and bad times as an effect of our Karma (actions).
On the contrary Pagan is not derogatory. Cultures with deep admiration for nature , worshipped diffrent forces of nature and were called Pagans. Universe, earth ,sun sky,water,forest....all pagans worship them.
Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the water and said, "let there be light". This is the same God that existed in the dark, the void, with nothing but Him alone. The same ONE known to all men in all times and all places.
The Bible story is puerile and childish with Ädam and Eve"etc…. Nasadya sukta is very profound , very thoughtful. It looks at the very basis of the Universe/Multiverse and not a fairy tale with some "god"playing the Doll's house. There is no comparison. Matter , space always existed and not created by some spook ( as mentioned in Bible). The Rig Vedic Hymn is very thought provoking and modern cosmology conforms to the ideas expressed by that great Seer or Rishi. While the Biblical story of creation is stupid where Yahweh makes day and night before he creates the Sun and the Moon. Yahweh creates plants before he creates the Sun.... Infact the Biblical tale is totally unscientific and illogical.
Even within theology, the intellectual sophistication of Hindu theological notions and constructs is remarkable, at least relatively speaking.
Excellent discussions.
Primordial poetry and sophisticated language evolved to capture the ancient unique thoughts of the sages. Thanks.
How wonderful the explanation is!! Hindus are great.
kya bat he. True interpretation without any bias. सत्यमेव जयते नानृतम . Thanks Sir Ji
OMG, It is exactly explanations of BIG BANG... that's great comological physics behind this with powerful mathematical analysis...
Dhanyavad for excellent presentation using simple words to explain complex topic
A very erudite, very refreshing explanation, indeed! Thanks very much. At 13:31 you quoted a hymn (I think from Maha Soura Suktam), which again is one of the hymns about cosmogeny. It alludes to the emergence of the universe from a state of singularity under extreme temperatures, creation of dark matter and energy, followed by an ocean (of fundamental particles still too fast to form atoms), creation of cyclical structures (like the atoms) followed by the stars and galaxies. Much of it is consonant with the current theories of cosmogeny.
A Treatise on Creation Can Never End ~ Will Continue till the Source Of Creation Is Reached by The Honest Seeker !!!
Thank you all for such a great lecture!💐💐
Excellent explanation.
thats the first time i heard this shloka/poem thought from rigveda ..but its amazing because thats how i would have explained it in the modern times without having known this ancient thought.
This sukta must be made as prayer to scientists who are working to find out the source of the universe. Because they are the beginning thoughts of humans about the source of the universe.
I really loved it
Absolutely eye opening talk! Thank you!!
Super sir
Thank you for English translation 🙏🌸☺️
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Thanks you sir ..... slowly relieving the identity crisis.
Magnificent Talk... Hope Dr. Ganesh has understood Shri Rajiv Malhotra Ji by now and that now His views are on same page as that of Shri Rajiv Ji...
what are the odds? just in time for upakarma whilst I try to mindfully continue the sadhana from tomorrow.
Nice review. Please note that many traditions have multiple creation songs, for example the native American and native Australian traditions have multiple creation themes!
Very beautifully explained
Thank you
Someday please invite Shatavdhani Dr R Ganesh. Thanks.
We had in January. And he had graciously agreed to come. Unfortunately he met with an accident and needed bed rest and constant medical attention and so it could not happen this time. But in future, we will surely invite Dr. Ganesh again. Thank you for the suggestion and concern.
Okay. Thank you for replying.
May he get well soon.
thank you
Beautifully said
Very good excellent
Thanks all of you
Wow!!
I really appreciated this beautiful talk and learned a lot from Dr. Hari Ravikumar's presentation on 'Srishti'. At the end of this lecture, Dr. Ravikumar states that the emphasis of the Vedas is on the essential one-ness of all, and that when we recognize this spiritual truth we cannot treat others as separate from/ inferior to ourselves. I wonder then how it was that this same society who were so invested in spiritual matters, were also enslaving the indigenous women, and killing the men? Did the spiritual 'one-ness' they wrote about not apply to those they called 'dasas'? This is a contradiction that troubles me greatly.
I do not mean any disrespect, and hesitate to write my question for fear of causing offense. I want to be clear that in my own Judeo-Christian tradition I have faced a similar dilemma of trying to reconcile teachings of a loving 'God' with the "jealous" and punishing God of the Old Testament who sanctioned the killing of other (Goddess-worshipping/ polytheistic) tribes. How/ can a group be highly spiritual and highly violent at the same time? This is the Big Question I am struggling with today.
I am not scholar but right from my childhood my family taught me to respect each and every creation you see and feel. Every Santana dharma devotee is daasa to perform his duty towards srishti
You must read megasthenes, fa hein hieun Tsang and even the babar nama. Dasas were not slaves in the way the rest of the world had. Dasas were people in service and had rights to property and life and if one became a dasa due to punishment the same was not true for his family. Dasas and dasis were equivalent of househelps and many dasas became elevated to best friends of their masters and mistresses. Slavery was never. Practiced in this country. Bonded labour or indentured labour was a colonial gift. When a country suffers loss of independence due to its principled approach to life, such a state of servitude rubs off on the native population. But course correction is on and the very fact that women in this land from the very beginning of independence have enjoyed equal rights in all matters while the west struggled with such a concept well into the 20 th century,should tell you about the greatness and resilience of the world's oldest extant civilization.a civilization which believes in the purity of the human self and responsibility for one's own karma to achieve realization and civilizations which declare you a born sinner and at the mercy of a benefactor to be absolved of the sin of a certain Adam and Eve, must be studied in contrast and context. Do not go by the narrative of colonialists, Islamists and leftists to judge this civilization or you will deny yourself the opportunity to be enriched.
To keep peace violence is required but why the violence and how it should be meted is what sets apart this civilization from others. Long before the United Nations came up with its principled of war , the same were practiced and still being practiced in this land. Wanton bloodshed was never the culture of this land .if you understand the concept of dharma and karma, you will understand that the ultimate truth whom we refer to as ishwar and symbolized by aum is both everything and nothing. The devas,asuras and rakshasas are but representations of different kinds of nature, some almost divine, others totally base, etc. The most important aspect of this civilization is the realization of pure consciousness as opposed to the concept of original sin
@Erika, Aryan Invasion Theory is only a colonial conspiracy that Aryans came to India with Vedas and horses around 1500 BC and enslaved the local tribes. Now this theory has been proven wrong with archeological, literary, geopgraphic, geneologic and astronomic evidences. There has been No Scientific evidence for this so called Aryan Invasion or Migration around 1500 BC. This theory has now been replaced by the Out Of India theory which states that after the Dasarajnya War in which King Sudas defeats a confideration of 10+ Kings seiging him, the defeated tribes move out from Northwest of India to further west to Iran and Persia, further east in India, and some move further north into Central Asia. Some of these tribes move across to Europe over time. Hence, all the European languages have a lot in common with Sanskrit, which was considered as the mother language.
British colonialists had to show to locals (Indians) that they were a superior race. Hence, they had conceived this Aryan Invasion Theory to say that their ancestors had come to civilise India 2 millinea back around 1500 BC and that these Aryans had destroyed and enslaved local tribes. This was never the Indian culture, but was the culture of Abrahamic religions who destroyed the indegenous cultures across the world.
Slavery was never practiced in India. Even when Kings fought one another to become an emperor, they followed ethical rules and would never fight after sunset, never attack any civilians including women or children, never destroy crops or destroy cities. What you may have heard about Dasa tribes being enslaved is mere colonial conspiracy and not the truth.
In my own tradition, we are taught that god resides in everyone and in everything, everywhere including inside my own self. The same god resides in you as well despite whatever religion you may believe in and practice. Hence, the god also doesn't differentiate between us both despite what religion we may practice or believe in. We however would experience good and bad times as an effect of our Karma (actions).
Thanks for this video man!
Good really good
Sir dont you feel that when a person starts understanding the existence, then u go into existential crisis...
Rik sound Reee collapse to Kaaa creation begin
Where can i find this book, nowhere available online
Good but please don't call this as "Pagan". This is a derogatory word. Hinduism is not same as so called pagans.
On the contrary Pagan is not derogatory. Cultures with deep admiration for nature , worshipped diffrent forces of nature and were called Pagans. Universe, earth ,sun sky,water,forest....all pagans worship them.
Please don't use pagan word for hinduism ,it's degrative term
not anymore, we have reclaimed it like other 'pagans' from other parts of the world
What? Abrahamic and Vedic are same? Sorry to disagree
We don't think the speaker has said anything in the Talk which translates to this.
There was no Hinduism at the time of Vedas. I think 🤔
Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the water and said, "let there be light".
This is the same God that existed in the dark, the void, with nothing but Him alone.
The same ONE known to all men in all times and all places.
moorek1967 both are very much different.
This is a very vague similarity.
The Bible story is puerile and childish with Ädam and Eve"etc…. Nasadya sukta is very profound , very thoughtful. It looks at the very basis of the Universe/Multiverse and not a fairy tale with some "god"playing the Doll's house. There is no comparison. Matter , space always existed and not created by some spook ( as mentioned in Bible). The Rig Vedic Hymn is very thought provoking and modern cosmology conforms to the ideas expressed by that great Seer or Rishi. While the Biblical story of creation is stupid where Yahweh makes day and night before he creates the Sun and the Moon. Yahweh creates plants before he creates the Sun.... Infact the Biblical tale is totally unscientific and illogical.
Veda is something else don't mix with fucking bible
@@vbvr absolutely. Abrahamic cults are nonsense!!
If you had avoided "they would have" or "they must have" it would have been scholarly.