That was one of my biggest problems with Beyond, along with Bruce just letting Gotham get thrown into chaos, Gotham’s design aesthetically, the way they talked, and Terry McGinnis in general. If you ask me, the only thing good to come out of Batman Beyond is Joker’s death, which had hardly anything with Beyond itself
There are probably multiple timelines where terry becomes batman. They messed up the timeline but terry becomes batman still. The batman beyond that we saw in the show is the normal timeline.
That still doesn't really fix the issue of the original old Bruce not remembering going to the future. Despite maybe a timeline being erased perhaps the Batman Beyond future we saw in that episode was an alternate future rather than the entire Batman Beyond series (Basically the original timeline was the one where Old Bruce had no memory of the future, and the new timeline is where the Batman Beyond series takes and Bruce has the knowledge gained from time travel). Also nothing is stopping Warner bros to continue the DCAU and create new timelines.
I know it's a different universe but usually some of the same rules apply to the DC universe, in Justice League Action when Batman and Blue Beetle went back in time he tells Blue Beetle that he can't be seen by his younger self or else they would create a time paradox. With that being said unless it was an alternate universe shouldn't everything been screwed up from Old Bruce and Batman seeing each other.
@@CynderSpirit usually that's used as a "rule" for time travel but it depends on the type. Like are you actually going to the past that effects the future or is it that every change you make in the past creates a new timeline. Not a question btw
Honestly this was one of the most sensible time travel logic I've heard. These fans you are trying to claim otherwise is just going to make the timeline even more confusing, so thank you for this
@@dcauwatchtower hello there could U guys please make a video on the Batman Beyond and Zeta Project timeline so I know what the chronological order is for this two shows?
Lets not forget that during part II of "The Once And Future Thing" mammoths and Red Coats started popping out of thin air without any explanation other than the timeline being polluted. Basically, the writters were having fun, meaning non of that was permanent or had ever happened.
Also, I have to admit that the whole part with Bruce remembering the adventure always kind of bugged me. While I guess the explanation provided by Dwayne McDuffy is technically factual, it really feels a little too superimposed on to "Rebirth" for me. I mean, when Bruce says "Never again." you believe him and I find it hard to believe that he would design a costume for a new Batman after the events of ROTJ, where Barbara says that he would never again endanger another young partner. Personally, like to believe that Bruce and John just forget about the whole adventure over time, as the whole thing fades from the timeline, explaining why the events of "Rebirth" happen as they do and why John and Shyerra get together and have Warhawk, despite the whole not wanting to be "destiny's puppet" thing.
Batman didn't quit after Return Of The Joker, his proteges did. Batman didn't quit until his late 50s, on his last case in trying to save a hostage girl he suffered a heart attack while fighting the group of thugs that resulted in him using gun to scare them off. The Batman Beyond suit was originally his it was used to help him perform due to his body not being able to fight or perform in the same way as he use to. Watch the pilot episode of Batman Beyond
Doctor Who rules you meet your future self you can't remember until your future self old Bruce probably eventually remembers this Adventure 50 years from now whenever now is
Yeah but that would still mean that in the OG timeline (before Chronos messed it up) Bruce met Terry without any prior knowledge about even having a successor. While in the new timeline Bruce and John both know that there will eventually be a new Batman and then coincidentally it ends up being Terry and John having the same son as in the other timeline.
@@dcauwatchtower I'm just going to apply Doctor Who rules for when you meet your future self where Bruce will eventually forget it and he won't remember it again until 50 years from now whenever now is
Wait did someone found piece of melted metal from the dino age from the chip ya might not be anything left but if their was their will be old future metal.
One DCAU plotpoint that still kinda had me confused (I might’ve missed something), but Catwoman’s motivations to just be a thief in a layer BTAS episode confused me, cuz as far as I remember, Selina was a vigilante doing what she does for animal rights?
@@srstriker6420 Because changes to the past simply create alternate timelines. As soon as the Avengers traveled to 2014 a new timeline was created, meaning no change would affect the original.
I kinda surprised this needed to be explained to fans, not to insult their comprehension/intellect. I always figured that Batman Beyond happens, but Once and Future Thing was an alternate future.
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles Teen Titans is set in a separate universe. The fact that Kid Flash is still so young and scrawny, when DCAU Wally West didn't get powers 'till he was a bulky adult makes it very clear. Teen Titans likely shares continuity with The Batman and Legion of Superheroes.
It makes so much sense that Batman Beyond is just the result of Bruce realizing how technology and teaching keeps the Dark Knight protecting Gotham! Keep it up!
It's out of character for Batman/ Old Bruce to believe in that anyways due to the fact that he has mentioned so many times that he never wanted to impose that kind of lifestyle onto anyone. The whole point of being Batman was due to his own grief and suffering and he never wanted anyone else to go through that pain and ending up the way he did.
I just hate how Beyond and Timm made me hate Batman so much. Bruce hooking up with Barbara and basically screwing up all of his relationships and ending up old and alone sucks.
I'm a simple man.... I laughed when Batman talked about injecting Terry's Father's testicles with his Batman semen which replaced The Dad's DNA semen with Batman's...... They said this in a kid's show, people. ....I feel bad for Terry's Dad.
In the first comic story it's possible John and Batman told Diana after she noticed them whispering to each other and that's why she didn't want to go into detail about an adventure she technically didn't go on. Besides time-traveling being complicated, of course.
If old Bruce doesn't remember going to the future, then that alone *makes it seem like* an alternate timeline. But he is really old and had a lot of adventures!
Zeta confused the hell out of me. He first appears on Batman Beyond before getting his own show the Zeta Project. The confusing part is that the robot appears to have a completely different design. This could have been explained away if they inserted a line of dialog about Zeta receiving an upgrade between Batman Beyond and the Zeta Project but that never happens. They treat him as if he's always had that more humanoid design when the original Zeta did not look like that. They also could of explained it away by saying this is a different robot from the first Zeta. Also doesn't happen. Batman makes an appearance on the Zeta Project where he confirms this is the same robot he encountered before but doesn't mention how he looks completely different different than he did the first time they met.
I've tried in the past to find a place in DCAU history for the flashback stories told by the kids in "Legends of the Dark Knight." Specifically, a spot where the "Dark Knight Returns" tribute tale of Muscley Batman versus the Mutant King could conceivably occur, and for there to be lingering damage lying around some random episode later. I mean, come on, like Bruce wouldn't have found another use for that Bat-Tank-Mobile beyond just stopping a Mutant uprising. What about containing an Arkham breakout or something?
I would say of the founding members, Wonder Woman probably went back to her people, Martian Manhunter is probably still alive but not an active hero anymore. Green Lantern/John Stewart and Hawkgirl are either old like Bruce, or they might have passed. The Flash/Wally West is probably old and retired, possibly training a new speedster. That's my headcanon anyway.
I've always been confused with the sudden real magical abilities of Zatanna in Justice League compared to BTAS, and also why Batman and Etrigan don't recognize each other in Justice League since their episode in The New Adventures.
In This Little Piggy she says she usually does non real magic but adds a little real stuff for big events. So her seemingly not having real magic is somewhat explained.
We don’t know for sure! It kind of seems that way though, as the Egyptian-looking guards for Chronos’ wife Enid have Joker’s face, almost as if mocking him.
I seem to be one of the only people that is kinda bugged Batman Beyond is canon even though I loved the show... the ending for Bruce even with the twist in epilogue is just too depressing. I wish this one “universe” gave him a happy ending with Diana preferably or with one of his other love interests. This version of Batman deserved it. I get that technically WW did end up marrying Bruce Wayne but it was still kind of a cop out and wasn’t the Bruce we all cared about anyways. This story, the legacy episodes from STAS and the injustice games really make me dislike Superman. He becomes super unlikable whenever he gets “too much power” or ends up with Wonder Woman since it seems so out of character at least to me. The ultimate power couple thing for the good guys just doesn’t do it for me. Nonetheless I’ll end my rant on this, I hope they retcon Bruce’s ending in the DCAU if they ever go back to it, Terry could still become Batman without Bruce’s life being so shit towards the end.
The reason Wonder Woman was able to remember(even though she vanished from the past timeline)is because fragments of that timeline will gradually be restored in her memory of the event, right there in the present timeline, which batman and green lantern returned to! In other words, what I am saying is that, if batman and green lantern defeated cronus and returned back to the old Wild West timeline, Wonder Woman would reappear and be able to remember traveling to the past, remembering events she took part in, until the point where she vanished, but batman and green lantern came straight to their present timeline, where Wonder Woman won't be able to remember anything about it, at that very moment she was asked, but will as time progresses! She wasn't erased from the timeline, only displaced! Someone from the future can't be killed in the past, because they weren't born yet, so too does that apply to a person who travels to the past, if they(let's say)got shot by a Wild West sheriff in his timeline, they would be affected, but wouldn't die because the sheriff is dead in the present timeline and the time traveler hasn't been born yet in that timeline, (their bullet wound would vanish, the moment that they return to their own timeline)they were shot in! Confusing? I know! but it's pretty simple! That's why the future JL remembers getting a visit from the past JL!
Ty Templeton and Dan Slott had a Gotham Adventures story in the works where Arkham was destroyed, Tim Drake fought the Joker... and won. This cemented the idea, at least in Ty's head, that Batman Beyond was an alternate future. It took me years to reconcile this but I'm ultimately much happier with Beyond being the set future, even though it's so dark, because... it's Batman. Why WOULDN'T it be dark and depressing?
I believe that the reason this episode makes No sense because Chronos was interfering with the timeline Causing the events of the joker returns To not exist
weird because when wonder woman disappeared it was stated that "she wasn't born" but woman exist way before, so how is that she disappeared? assuming she was killed in the present day
Well Barry may or may not have appeared in Superman The Animated series where he wanted to do a race with Clark and since The Flash in that episode never said his real name it's rumored to be Barry Allen but who knows?
Batman seeing how miserable and alone he becomes in the future might have inspired him to work on his relationships in the present. It worked for Scrooge, anyway. Why not Bruce?
Personally, I always thought that Chronos in "The Once and Future Thing" jumped a couple of years into the future of the general Beyond time (see Terry's slightly different costume/belt than in his regular time and in "Epilogue" and Static's older appearance than in "Future Shock").
I love Batman Beyond, but it’s such a wild tone shift. And it feels incongruous with the ending of Justice League Unlimited. Plus Epilogue has icky implications about Bruce.
@@dcauwatchtowerI’ll admit that I was wrong. My qualms about Batman Beyond reach far beyond Epilogue. I was confusing Epilogue’s revelation with the rest of Batman Beyond’s butchering of Bruce Wayne. I do think Epilogue is deeply weird and implies that Terry can only be Batman because of the revelation within that episode.
Right, many folks share your opinion. It’s an interesting choice, for sure. I’m looking forward to seeing what my buddy Brian thinks of it when we get to it on our podcast “Jump on the Bat-Wagon” (where I’m showing him all of the DCAU for the very first time).
@@dcauwatchtowerEpilogue is such a strange episode because it contains what is perhaps one of the best Batman scenes in any medium. And also one of the most controversial retcons in DC history.
I know you already made a video on this but Im still curious on the whole wonder woman existing before her appearance in justice league. Also I always assumed Batman beyond is cannon to the rest of the dcau shows just same not said for the Batman beyond comics and also tie in comics personally.
Nah, because Chronos coming back in time to the present day Watchtower disrupted the timeline and split a new one off. Before Chronos messed with time, Batman grew into old Bruce without having ever gone on this adventure.
Mainstream DCAU Old Bruce should remember it, absolutely. The Old Bruce you’re talking about would’ve been that aforementioned Bruce if the timeline was never messed with in the first place. Since it was, there’re now two Old Bruce’s from two respective timelines; one hypothetical Old Bruce from the main DCAU, and the one shown in the episode. While Justice League Unlimited’s epilogue never outright confirms main Bruce to be within the original Batman Beyond’s continuity (for all we know, that episode could be some unnamed *third* timeline), I still think it’s a safe bet to say that original Batman Beyond is part of the main DCAU timeline. Wouldn’t make sense if JLU left us hanging with some other unrelated but still kinda related timeline. Time travel stories are unfortunately rarely easy to comprehend, no matter how much people insist on the contrary.
Are u guys stalking my DC Universe account because I was just watching Static Shock this week and got to the future episode and was wondering why he aged so quickly in like 10 years. I was gonna message u guys at WatchTower Database to ask if u guys can cover this, but never mind.
Lmao Superman actually *is* dead by Epilogue and Dr. Fate is the only Kent in the Justice League. Wait can't Dr. Fate just pop up at Wayne Manor if he needs something?
My head canon is that Batman Beyond still happens pretty much the same but their first encounter is a little different. Bruce is way too smart not to figure out that Terry was the same guy he met when he went to the future. Their encounter we see in the pilot of Batman Beyond changes slightly but overall the show still all canon.
Where did the Brainiac body in "New Kids In Town" come from? Where did MOST of the villains in the JLU Legion of Doom come from? When did Zatanna learn real magic?(she only knew stage magic in BTAS)
Zatara shows up in the Justice League Unlimited comic tie-in books when Zatanna said he's dead in BTAS. I'm wondering if it's supposed to allude to Zatara and Zatanna being more mysterious than just what we see in animation, or if it was a writing mistake.
Biggest mystery that I would like solved, Wave Rider. And how he got in the Justice League Unlimited very first issue. The second mystery is: Is Booster Gold still a time cop? And are Wave Rider and Booster the same guy like in the comic books? Did their paths converge?
But in the DCAU, doesn't time travel replace the timeline? How does old Bruce not remember? Because the city was never attacked? He should still remember going to the future!
Hear me out... What about Ghosts? But seriously, I've always been hesitant to accept the comics canon of what happened in the future but at least now I'm sure that the "once and future thing" explanation is not correct.
@zerokura ...Static Shock wasn't at first. He was originally written and published by an all African American comic book company, but then their comic company went under and DC Comics bought Static Shock from them. IMMEDIATELY turning him into a cartoon show as soon as they got the rights.
There is one forgotten line that nobody mentions it's when Google says that hard to believe somebody as stupid as you ever beat the joker which means this happened after the return of the joker movie. When Batman.
Just like in that Teen Titans episode which Warp ( thief from the future ) time travel to stole the "time clock" from the museum because is not in the future and is not in the future because he came back to stole it ( paradox things u know ) when he is coming back to his own time ( 100 in the future ) but Starfire stop him from stole it and go to 20 years instead of 100, she change history and the Titans end ( the cool Nightwing episode ), then she get the clock from Warp and go back to the present WITH THE CLOCK changing history again, if the clock never was stolen then Warp never needed to Go back in time, fixing the timeline. Sorry i speak a lot
Whoever questioned if this was an alternate universe don’t know shit about superheroes; obvi it’s just Batman’s regular universe just in the future, this question don’t even make fuckin sense
I just realized that Amanda Waller made Terry as Bruce’s son. I think it’s a pretty convenient coincidence that Bruce’s unknown son just happens to end up as Batman
Superman Rebirth shows the New Earth Superman interacting with his alternate future self from the DCAU. This is some more evidence that Batman Beyond is the DCAU's future (besides the Legion I guess).
Nobody is saying that Batman Beyond isn't in the DCAU future just what might have happened was the events were now alternated. As in The Batman Beyond 1999 tv show is now probably a separate or alternate timeline as compared to the Batman Beyond we get later in Epilouge after the events of Justice League Unlimited. Old Bruce doesn't remember his younger self meeting his older slf where as both Batman and Green Lantern do, Older Bruce meeting his younger self should have also created a paradox in the time and space contiuum, along with many other things that had happened in this episode that contradicted everything that had happen in Batman Beyond 1999 tv show's events and timeline. I think what happened is now Chronos and Batman created two separate Batman Beyond timelines within the DCAU.
Only thing is how the Harley Quinn from Batman and Harley Quinn could just get back with the Joker to do something as diabolical as the flashback in Batman Beyond: Return if the Joker. I know the most obvious answer is that BMHQ came out after BBRJ, but I'd like to know if there's any comics or anything that could possibly allude to what may have happened.
Perhaps one way of fixing the JL and Beyond comics having WW and WH remembering is making it so Diana somehow eventually gets her memories of those events back over time somehow, so she asks Bruce and John what happened. Later on John would tell his son of this story. Boom.
But isnt that exactly what an alternate future is? That's the future that could've been had Chronos been successful. The JLU stopped it resulting in the Batman Beyond timeline we see in Epilogue.
Is there any proof that superman the Animated Seris version of The flash Is different from The justice league version . I think superman raced Barry Allen Not Wally west Is there any evidence to prove my theory
In my country Batman Beyond was called Batman of the Future... When we get to 2040 I' ll call it just Batman.
Here in Brazil its the same thing
@@iromancostanti3282 BR!!!!
it was the same for a lot of European countries as well^^
Brasil, Brasil, Brasil!
That's a weird mouthful. Does the word "Beyond" not translate well outside English?
Dwayne's explanation for how and why exactly Batman beat chronos, is so Batman.
Basically, "Batman does not kill... but golly, is he always willing to accept fates worse than death especially if it leads to a better outcome."
I've never liked that explanation. "I'm agaisnt killing, but I'm not agaisnt doing something worse than killing."
Dude Terry’s death in “The Once and Future Thing” traumatized me as a child.
It was a rather disturbing death
He just got ripped in half
No he got electrocuted to death
@@jeremiahmorris1852 why not both?
Sean Hawk I always figured he was just electrocuted.
The most confused thing is Batman and batgirls relationship
That’s it lol
Tank Gunner it's pretty straight forward, just... icky.
I just pretend it never happened or canon to the DCAU and in reality was just a sexual fantasy that Bruce Timm wanted to get out of the way.
That was one of my biggest problems with Beyond, along with Bruce just letting Gotham get thrown into chaos, Gotham’s design aesthetically, the way they talked, and Terry McGinnis in general. If you ask me, the only thing good to come out of Batman Beyond is Joker’s death, which had hardly anything with Beyond itself
There are probably multiple timelines where terry becomes batman. They messed up the timeline but terry becomes batman still. The batman beyond that we saw in the show is the normal timeline.
That still doesn't really fix the issue of the original old Bruce not remembering going to the future. Despite maybe a timeline being erased perhaps the Batman Beyond future we saw in that episode was an alternate future rather than the entire Batman Beyond series (Basically the original timeline was the one where Old Bruce had no memory of the future, and the new timeline is where the Batman Beyond series takes and Bruce has the knowledge gained from time travel).
Also nothing is stopping Warner bros to continue the DCAU and create new timelines.
I know it's a different universe but usually some of the same rules apply to the DC universe, in Justice League Action when Batman and Blue Beetle went back in time he tells Blue Beetle that he can't be seen by his younger self or else they would create a time paradox. With that being said unless it was an alternate universe shouldn't everything been screwed up from Old Bruce and Batman seeing each other.
@@CynderSpirit that's not usually a thing in time travel stories. Especially in DC
@@CynderSpirit usually that's used as a "rule" for time travel but it depends on the type. Like are you actually going to the past that effects the future or is it that every change you make in the past creates a new timeline. Not a question btw
I think both Bruce and John gradually forgets the events of Once and Future Thing since it wasn’t supposed to happen in the first place.
I mean, if you want a reason old Bruce doesn't remember going to the future, there's always Alzheimer's.
2:14
real subtle Batman, Diana DEFINITELY didn't hear you
That's the point right?
Diana's not Clark. She doesn't have superhearing
The static shock episode that said Wonder Woman is still part of the Jlu.
Honestly this was one of the most sensible time travel logic I've heard. These fans you are trying to claim otherwise is just going to make the timeline even more confusing, so thank you for this
If you ever want to just mess with a random person say this 2:14 when in a waiting room and walk away.
Hahaha
@@dcauwatchtower hello there could U guys please make a video on the Batman Beyond and Zeta Project timeline so I know what the chronological order is for this two shows?
Lets not forget that during part II of "The Once And Future Thing" mammoths and Red Coats started popping out of thin air without any explanation other than the timeline being polluted. Basically, the writters were having fun, meaning non of that was permanent or had ever happened.
Also, I have to admit that the whole part with Bruce remembering the adventure always kind of bugged me. While I guess the explanation provided by Dwayne McDuffy is technically factual, it really feels a little too superimposed on to "Rebirth" for me. I mean, when Bruce says "Never again." you believe him and I find it hard to believe that he would design a costume for a new Batman after the events of ROTJ, where Barbara says that he would never again endanger another young partner. Personally, like to believe that Bruce and John just forget about the whole adventure over time, as the whole thing fades from the timeline, explaining why the events of "Rebirth" happen as they do and why John and Shyerra get together and have Warhawk, despite the whole not wanting to be "destiny's puppet" thing.
Batman didn't quit after Return Of The Joker, his proteges did. Batman didn't quit until his late 50s, on his last case in trying to save a hostage girl he suffered a heart attack while fighting the group of thugs that resulted in him using gun to scare them off. The Batman Beyond suit was originally his it was used to help him perform due to his body not being able to fight or perform in the same way as he use to. Watch the pilot episode of Batman Beyond
Doctor Who rules you meet your future self you can't remember until your future self old Bruce probably eventually remembers this Adventure 50 years from now whenever now is
I think vixen gets killed in a tie-in comic. So after that John decides to be with Shayera. Maybe Vixen's death is destiny forcing them together.
Yeah but that would still mean that in the OG timeline (before Chronos messed it up) Bruce met Terry without any prior knowledge about even having a successor.
While in the new timeline Bruce and John both know that there will eventually be a new Batman and then coincidentally it ends up being Terry and John having the same son as in the other timeline.
Yep!
@@dcauwatchtower I'm just going to apply Doctor Who rules for when you meet your future self where Bruce will eventually forget it and he won't remember it again until 50 years from now whenever now is
3:46 That should be on a t-shirt.
We need a 50 years from now, whenever now is compilation
my biggest question is what happened to seal boy
Chucko knows what killed the Dinosaurs.
THE ICE AGE!
Adam....
And Evil
Jake Johnson meteorites
Wait did someone found piece of melted metal from the dino age from the chip ya might not be anything left but if their was their will be old future metal.
Maybe the events in the once in future saga were restarted when Batman restored the timeline, thus in epilogue everyone still be alive.
One DCAU plotpoint that still kinda had me confused (I might’ve missed something), but Catwoman’s motivations to just be a thief in a layer BTAS episode confused me, cuz as far as I remember, Selina was a vigilante doing what she does for animal rights?
Both. It depended from time to time
Time travel’s so confusing. Though watching videos about it does make a nice break from schoolwork
Den_Toonz_ Comic talk about Avengers Endgame
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Time travel in that movie was relatively simple.
Zing Zaber but what about when the present nebula shoots the past nebula, how could she exist without her past self?
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Because changes to the past simply create alternate timelines. As soon as the Avengers traveled to 2014 a new timeline was created, meaning no change would affect the original.
Zing Zaber but why is that?
let's just universally agree that any stories past the JLU ending are elseworld stories lmao
The most confused thing is the yellow bat suit.....
obviously...
Best suit to take on a Green Lantern...at least it once was..
@@betterlatethannever4529 wait you know something about the yellow suit ? Please tell me please and thank you
@@unknownwarriorprescoknight8586 I was just joking about how Green Lanterns used to be weak against the color yellow
@@betterlatethannever4529 oh okay they are but if they use brave thoughts they aren’t so it’s still that confusing suit dang
Great day! Just played our first football game and won! And now I get to watch a video about Batman Beyond!
but, terry you don't play football
wait a minute....lol
I kinda surprised this needed to be explained to fans, not to insult their comprehension/intellect. I always figured that Batman Beyond happens, but Once and Future Thing was an alternate future.
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles Teen Titans is set in a separate universe. The fact that Kid Flash is still so young and scrawny, when DCAU Wally West didn't get powers 'till he was a bulky adult makes it very clear. Teen Titans likely shares continuity with The Batman and Legion of Superheroes.
It makes so much sense that Batman Beyond is just the result of Bruce realizing how technology and teaching keeps the Dark Knight protecting Gotham! Keep it up!
It's out of character for Batman/ Old Bruce to believe in that anyways due to the fact that he has mentioned so many times that he never wanted to impose that kind of lifestyle onto anyone. The whole point of being Batman was due to his own grief and suffering and he never wanted anyone else to go through that pain and ending up the way he did.
I just hate how Beyond and Timm made me hate Batman so much. Bruce hooking up with Barbara and basically screwing up all of his relationships and ending up old and alone sucks.
yeah i just like to think it's a depressing alternate universe. my definitive ending for the DCAU is in hereafter.
I'm a simple man.... I laughed when Batman talked about injecting Terry's Father's testicles with his Batman semen which replaced The Dad's DNA semen with Batman's...... They said this in a kid's show, people.
....I feel bad for Terry's Dad.
I'm confused of a future Brainiac after his whole thing with being merged with Lex needing a hoverchair to fight the Legion.
In the first comic story it's possible John and Batman told Diana after she noticed them whispering to each other and that's why she didn't want to go into detail about an adventure she technically didn't go on. Besides time-traveling being complicated, of course.
God i loved this episode. I remember watching the clips on youtube when i was younger.
6:29. The ice age. Its the ice age.
That April Moon reference hit me like a truck.
Poison Ivy's skin color change...
If old Bruce doesn't remember going to the future, then that alone *makes it seem like* an alternate timeline.
But he is really old and had a lot of adventures!
Perhaps over time, he and GL forgot, maybe as the timeline's way of preventing paradoxes.
So glad this channel exists, thanks for your work dude!
I wanna know how many years between the STAS episode legacy and justice league
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 so you saying the justice league episode origins happend in the same year as the Legacy episode
6:29 ZEE ICE AGE!
Zeta confused the hell out of me. He first appears on Batman Beyond before getting his own show the Zeta Project. The confusing part is that the robot appears to have a completely different design.
This could have been explained away if they inserted a line of dialog about Zeta receiving an upgrade between Batman Beyond and the Zeta Project but that never happens. They treat him as if he's always had that more humanoid design when the original Zeta did not look like that.
They also could of explained it away by saying this is a different robot from the first Zeta. Also doesn't happen. Batman makes an appearance on the Zeta Project where he confirms this is the same robot he encountered before but doesn't mention how he looks completely different different than he did the first time they met.
Redesigns have always happened in the DCAU and people really think nothing happened
These video always make me so happy and even more interested in the DCAU , you guys put so much work Into them! Thank you :)
I've tried in the past to find a place in DCAU history for the flashback stories told by the kids in "Legends of the Dark Knight." Specifically, a spot where the "Dark Knight Returns" tribute tale of Muscley Batman versus the Mutant King could conceivably occur, and for there to be lingering damage lying around some random episode later. I mean, come on, like Bruce wouldn't have found another use for that Bat-Tank-Mobile beyond just stopping a Mutant uprising. What about containing an Arkham breakout or something?
I'd want a video on what happens to the founding members of the Justice League in Batman Beyond and the other members
Your guess is probably as good as ours!
But not impossible ;)
I would say of the founding members, Wonder Woman probably went back to her people, Martian Manhunter is probably still alive but not an active hero anymore. Green Lantern/John Stewart and Hawkgirl are either old like Bruce, or they might have passed. The Flash/Wally West is probably old and retired, possibly training a new speedster.
That's my headcanon anyway.
I've always been confused with the sudden real magical abilities of Zatanna in Justice League compared to BTAS, and also why Batman and Etrigan don't recognize each other in Justice League since their episode in The New Adventures.
She did got better, Bruce did recognize his friend as he asked him for help...I think!
In This Little Piggy she says she usually does non real magic but adds a little real stuff for big events. So her seemingly not having real magic is somewhat explained.
So here’s my vanishing point when did Hawkgirl came to Earth and how batman know her
Big brother batman
Sr striker what about 100 yer old Bruce Wayne past beyondvera or a 140 yer old Bruce where Terry mecgunies would be around 66 yers old by that point
*New video is posted
Me:
*Sees Matt
"Yes daddy"
I have a question , cronos kill the joker to take his "jokerz" with him to kill the justice league in part 2 of the episode once and future thing ?
We don’t know for sure! It kind of seems that way though, as the Egyptian-looking guards for Chronos’ wife Enid have Joker’s face, almost as if mocking him.
I seem to be one of the only people that is kinda bugged Batman Beyond is canon even though I loved the show... the ending for Bruce even with the twist in epilogue is just too depressing. I wish this one “universe” gave him a happy ending with Diana preferably or with one of his other love interests. This version of Batman deserved it. I get that technically WW did end up marrying Bruce Wayne but it was still kind of a cop out and wasn’t the Bruce we all cared about anyways. This story, the legacy episodes from STAS and the injustice games really make me dislike Superman. He becomes super unlikable whenever he gets “too much power” or ends up with Wonder Woman since it seems so out of character at least to me. The ultimate power couple thing for the good guys just doesn’t do it for me. Nonetheless I’ll end my rant on this, I hope they retcon Bruce’s ending in the DCAU if they ever go back to it, Terry could still become Batman without Bruce’s life being so shit towards the end.
I have a hard time placing them.
Your arms are hypnotic. Fabulous Flailing Arm Guy.
The reason Wonder Woman was able to remember(even though she vanished from the past timeline)is because fragments of that timeline will gradually be restored in her memory of the event, right there in the present timeline, which batman and green lantern returned to! In other words, what I am saying is that, if batman and green lantern defeated cronus and returned back to the old Wild West timeline, Wonder Woman would reappear and be able to remember traveling to the past, remembering events she took part in, until the point where she vanished, but batman and green lantern came straight to their present timeline, where Wonder Woman won't be able to remember anything about it, at that very moment she was asked, but will as time progresses! She wasn't erased from the timeline, only displaced! Someone from the future can't be killed in the past, because they weren't born yet, so too does that apply to a person who travels to the past, if they(let's say)got shot by a Wild West sheriff in his timeline, they would be affected, but wouldn't die because the sheriff is dead in the present timeline and the time traveler hasn't been born yet in that timeline, (their bullet wound would vanish, the moment that they return to their own timeline)they were shot in! Confusing? I know! but it's pretty simple! That's why the future JL remembers getting a visit from the past JL!
why do you think crisis always happens? there's a reason why superboy prime punch that hole in reality, he was that angry at everyone
Ty Templeton and Dan Slott had a Gotham Adventures story in the works where Arkham was destroyed, Tim Drake fought the Joker... and won. This cemented the idea, at least in Ty's head, that Batman Beyond was an alternate future. It took me years to reconcile this but I'm ultimately much happier with Beyond being the set future, even though it's so dark, because... it's Batman. Why WOULDN'T it be dark and depressing?
saw you on facebooky thought why not, well long story short in this timeline i'm subbing.
I believe that the reason this episode makes No sense because Chronos was interfering with the timeline Causing the events of the joker returns
To not exist
weird because when wonder woman disappeared it was stated that "she wasn't born" but woman exist way before, so how is that she disappeared? assuming she was killed in the present day
Wonder where Damien would fit into this timeline?
In a test tube.
CJ Johnson he didn’t exist at the time, that whole Forgotten son thing was Ra’s plan
He's in Bruce Wayne's nuts lmao
Daimen's going to have a messed up family tree in the dcau if he exsits considering what his grandpa did to tahlia
Jeremiah Vink so would Helena And other esleworld children
I still have questions about Barry, Hal and Aquaman in the DCAU
Well Barry may or may not have appeared in Superman The Animated series where he wanted to do a race with Clark and since The Flash in that episode never said his real name it's rumored to be Barry Allen but who knows?
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Jeremiah Vink Did a whole Vanishing Point on that one already: ua-cam.com/video/q2uYI1iSpeI/v-deo.html
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Batman seeing how miserable and alone he becomes in the future might have inspired him to work on his relationships in the present. It worked for Scrooge, anyway. Why not Bruce?
I always like to think of an alternative timeline, where that is the case.
Love the vids! Keep on making more!!!
In comic book medium everything a alternative future
Personally, I always thought that Chronos in "The Once and Future Thing" jumped a couple of years into the future of the general Beyond time (see Terry's slightly different costume/belt than in his regular time and in "Epilogue" and Static's older appearance than in "Future Shock").
Yep, it’s 50 years in the future instead of 40. Some characters are aged and some aren’t, because of time meddling from Chronos.
Wtf I always assumed that this was a corrupted time line episode, why is this so hard
well logically any discrepancy in the time line can be explained by other time travel events
I love Batman Beyond, but it’s such a wild tone shift. And it feels incongruous with the ending of Justice League Unlimited. Plus Epilogue has icky implications about Bruce.
Icky, how?
@@dcauwatchtowerI’ll admit that I was wrong. My qualms about Batman Beyond reach far beyond Epilogue. I was confusing Epilogue’s revelation with the rest of Batman Beyond’s butchering of Bruce Wayne. I do think Epilogue is deeply weird and implies that Terry can only be Batman because of the revelation within that episode.
Right, many folks share your opinion. It’s an interesting choice, for sure. I’m looking forward to seeing what my buddy Brian thinks of it when we get to it on our podcast “Jump on the Bat-Wagon” (where I’m showing him all of the DCAU for the very first time).
@@dcauwatchtowerEpilogue is such a strange episode because it contains what is perhaps one of the best Batman scenes in any medium. And also one of the most controversial retcons in DC history.
I know you already made a video on this but Im still curious on the whole wonder woman existing before her appearance in justice league. Also I always assumed Batman beyond is cannon to the rest of the dcau shows just same not said for the Batman beyond comics and also tie in comics personally.
The real question is if Batman beyond is an alternate timeline
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Shouldn't Old Bruce remember it because he lived through it as Batman, one of the two people who do remember?
Nah, because Chronos coming back in time to the present day Watchtower disrupted the timeline and split a new one off. Before Chronos messed with time, Batman grew into old Bruce without having ever gone on this adventure.
Mainstream DCAU Old Bruce should remember it, absolutely. The Old Bruce you’re talking about would’ve been that aforementioned Bruce if the timeline was never messed with in the first place. Since it was, there’re now two Old Bruce’s from two respective timelines; one hypothetical Old Bruce from the main DCAU, and the one shown in the episode.
While Justice League Unlimited’s epilogue never outright confirms main Bruce to be within the original Batman Beyond’s continuity (for all we know, that episode could be some unnamed *third* timeline), I still think it’s a safe bet to say that original Batman Beyond is part of the main DCAU timeline. Wouldn’t make sense if JLU left us hanging with some other unrelated but still kinda related timeline.
Time travel stories are unfortunately rarely easy to comprehend, no matter how much people insist on the contrary.
@@psnfailout000 Yeah true Epilogue makes it clear that the events from JLU lead to BB even after The Once and Future Thing, with the Ace connection.
Are u guys stalking my DC Universe account because I was just watching Static Shock this week and got to the future episode and was wondering why he aged so quickly in like 10 years. I was gonna message u guys at WatchTower Database to ask if u guys can cover this, but never mind.
My Cannon Batman Timeline:
Arkham Origins
Batman The Animated Series
Arkham Asylum/City/Knight
Batman Beyond
The Arkham games aren't connected to the TV shows
@@SuperSteph5 The person said 'My' canon.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Or headcanon.
You can fit a square peg into a round hole if you sand off the corners of the square.
I like to think terry McGinnis isn’t dead
I think all of us like to think that.
Chronos change his dark origins and he murders Terry's classmates, his family and all humanity. That he turned the Jokerz Gang into cyborgs.
That's great and all, but when are we gonna address the real timeline question: when was the first eggbaby invented?
Kent could be Kent Nelson
Lmao Superman actually *is* dead by Epilogue and Dr. Fate is the only Kent in the Justice League.
Wait can't Dr. Fate just pop up at Wayne Manor if he needs something?
My head canon is that Batman Beyond still happens pretty much the same but their first encounter is a little different. Bruce is way too smart not to figure out that Terry was the same guy he met when he went to the future. Their encounter we see in the pilot of Batman Beyond changes slightly but overall the show still all canon.
Where did the Brainiac body in "New Kids In Town" come from? Where did MOST of the villains in the JLU Legion of Doom come from? When did Zatanna learn real magic?(she only knew stage magic in BTAS)
Zatara shows up in the Justice League Unlimited comic tie-in books when Zatanna said he's dead in BTAS. I'm wondering if it's supposed to allude to Zatara and Zatanna being more mysterious than just what we see in animation, or if it was a writing mistake.
Maybe not a "plot hole" but Aresia's plan had a huge hole?
Hippolyta really needed to have *the talk* with her
So why does Chucko have a dual-bladed lightsaber?
Because
Biggest mystery that I would like solved, Wave Rider. And how he got in the Justice League Unlimited very first issue. The second mystery is: Is Booster Gold still a time cop? And are Wave Rider and Booster the same guy like in the comic books? Did their paths converge?
Latest issues of jla batman beyond and kamandi are now in the tomeline
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But in the DCAU, doesn't time travel replace the timeline? How does old Bruce not remember? Because the city was never attacked? He should still remember going to the future!
Time travel works several different ways, we have a whole VP episode just about this.
Hear me out... What about Ghosts?
But seriously, I've always been hesitant to accept the comics canon of what happened in the future but at least now I'm sure that the "once and future thing" explanation is not correct.
I did not knew static shock was a dc character. Thought like was his own comic seris.
@zerokura ...Static Shock wasn't at first. He was originally written and published by an all African American comic book company, but then their comic company went under and DC Comics bought Static Shock from them.
IMMEDIATELY turning him into a cartoon show as soon as they got the rights.
@@RamsTheNameCom thanks for the info. I only knew him from the cartoon show had fun watching it.
That Chucko part always gets me XD
There is one forgotten line that nobody mentions it's when Google says that hard to believe somebody as stupid as you ever beat the joker which means this happened after the return of the joker movie. When Batman.
Just like in that Teen Titans episode which Warp ( thief from the future ) time travel to stole the "time clock" from the museum because is not in the future and is not in the future because he came back to stole it ( paradox things u know ) when he is coming back to his own time ( 100 in the future ) but Starfire stop him from stole it and go to 20 years instead of 100, she change history and the Titans end ( the cool Nightwing episode ), then she get the clock from Warp and go back to the present WITH THE CLOCK changing history again, if the clock never was stolen then Warp never needed to Go back in time, fixing the timeline.
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Never apologize for this
Whoever questioned if this was an alternate universe don’t know shit about superheroes; obvi it’s just Batman’s regular universe just in the future, this question don’t even make fuckin sense
I just realized that Amanda Waller made Terry as Bruce’s son. I think it’s a pretty convenient coincidence that Bruce’s unknown son just happens to end up as Batman
It even says in DC wiki that they are the same universe.
Wikis can be edited by anyone 🤔 (But in this case, yeah, that’s correct)
Superman Rebirth shows the New Earth Superman interacting with his alternate future self from the DCAU. This is some more evidence that Batman Beyond is the DCAU's future (besides the Legion I guess).
Nobody is saying that Batman Beyond isn't in the DCAU future just what might have happened was the events were now alternated. As in The Batman Beyond 1999 tv show is now probably a separate or alternate timeline as compared to the Batman Beyond we get later in Epilouge after the events of Justice League Unlimited. Old Bruce doesn't remember his younger self meeting his older slf where as both Batman and Green Lantern do, Older Bruce meeting his younger self should have also created a paradox in the time and space contiuum, along with many other things that had happened in this episode that contradicted everything that had happen in Batman Beyond 1999 tv show's events and timeline. I think what happened is now Chronos and Batman created two separate Batman Beyond timelines within the DCAU.
Only thing is how the Harley Quinn from Batman and Harley Quinn could just get back with the Joker to do something as diabolical as the flashback in Batman Beyond: Return if the Joker. I know the most obvious answer is that BMHQ came out after BBRJ, but I'd like to know if there's any comics or anything that could possibly allude to what may have happened.
I thought it was pretty clear this was part of the main dcau timeline? But the future episode of Jlu wasn't right? Can't recall
You’d think it would be obvious! Haha
@@dcauwatchtower I don't really remember the episode except for the batman meet batman scene really lol
Perhaps one way of fixing the JL and Beyond comics having WW and WH remembering is making it so Diana somehow eventually gets her memories of those events back over time somehow, so she asks Bruce and John what happened. Later on John would tell his son of this story. Boom.
RCBM Mines and he discussed with batman about not telling Hawkgirl about their son
I mean, it could be the future and an alternate future at the same time.
Or does that make no sense?
I hope it is...i hope in the og timeline...clark,bruce,and diana still kicking ass with the rest if JL in 2004
But isnt that exactly what an alternate future is? That's the future that could've been had Chronos been successful. The JLU stopped it resulting in the Batman Beyond timeline we see in Epilogue.
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles he didn't end up alone though. He got Terry.
Never thought this was a thing
Is there any proof that superman the Animated Seris version of The flash Is different from The justice league version . I think superman raced Barry Allen Not Wally west Is there any evidence to prove my theory
I see Beyond, I click!!!!!
Space is warped and time is bendable.
8:43 it’s a fate far worse than death
ANYONE and I mean ANYONE who thought this was alt future/stuff. Nobody else thought that.