I feel your pain on those white PTO roofs. I would wipe out at least 2 times a winter, when i was living in Buffalo. Even penguin walking you can slip. The metal roofs were the worst though.
Ive skated on those roofs, absolutely hate them. One time a company tried to get me to rope up a compressor on those latex roofs, after it had rained….naw i had a crane come out, homie aint playin the rope the compressor on a ledge with wet roof latex game lol
I haven't had good luck with the Russell defrost termination stats either. I replaced both on a big 4 fan coil last summer with new OEM ones (fan delay and defrost term), went back a month later and it was starting to grow the ice monster opposite end of the coil along the top. So had to set the defrost timer to about 40 minutes, and remove "X" from the timer. The default location up at the top there was just cutting off the defrost too early. As far as leaving the fan delay off, I have another restaurant with a freezer about this same size, ended up only leaving the high limit in place, and bypassing everything else. So there's no fan delay, no defrost termination. Two years later, there's still hardly any frost drips on the ceiling, and the coil hasn't iced up ever either. That one was a 2 fan Trenton coil. I like Trenton equipment, but there's no United Refrigeration close by me (that's who sells Trenton in my area AFAIK). So leaving the fans with no delay might work ok at that place, it just depends on the freezer 'climate' and how much they leave or prop the door open etc... YMMV. But I have quite a few like that. Although I prefer to just wire the fans directly to H4 etc with new spade terminals, wire nuts tend to fill up with water long term. Short term is fine like that though. Sometimes on a Saturday when the supply houses aren't open, you gotta do what you can to get them back up and running so they can have a freezer until Monday... :)
put a couple zip ties around the junk clip to hold the tabs on and the klixon around clip/pipe also. if something happens to defrost or they leave the doors open and it freezes, it will still shred itself off. 😬
I slipped and fell like that on a stupid place that had a sloped roof combo with a flat section. I was sitting down for too long replacing a POS blower motor in a 5 ton Tempstar gas package unit, and both my feet were asleep. The fall didn't hurt at all, but because of the weird geometry of the 2 sections of sloped roof forming a little 3 sided valley, I twisted my ankle pretty bad. Took a month before that stopped hurting... Be careful on those horrible roofs. Trying to get down a ladder with a hurt ankle is no fun at all...
That's part of the reason why if at all possible, I tend to stick with gum soles. I never know what I'm going to end up walking into. Yes, they'll melt more easily under heat, but they tend to stick better to just about anything, and frankly, if I hit solvent that'll melt the shoes, I'm charging the customer for a pair anyway.
@@mitchell8204 - Latex rubber. As in natural rubber, rather than synthetics. A lot of Vans shoes have them. You can mostly tell them by the 'caramel' (tan) brown colour of the sole, which often goes as a band around the base of the shoe. There are pros and cons to them, of course, but for my use case, they're much better than most of the current shoe bottoms. Especially that fuzzy almost-paper fake sole material they use now, which makes me think I can slide across most floors.
Hope you are doing ok. I have detected a bit of frustration in your last videos. Almost like your spring is wound a little tighter than normal. Maybe just the winter blues. Take care.
I appreciate the concern👍👍. It hurts but I'm doing fine, luckily nothing broke that I know of 🤔. Nope, that's just me, it's my typical sarcasm, but it did hurt and I was mad, so I didn't spend time hiding it as I normally would.
Stay safe out there! Slip/trip hazards are the worst! I wonder if a pair of Dunlop Volleys (roofer's choice in Australia) would've helped with the grip.
It was slick where I was walking, I have the best Red Wing boots they make, not sure any shoe would stick to a thin layer of ice at the angle that was. I should have looked closer.
Those white roofs suck!!! Next time your looking for a breaker for the EVAP on a freezer, just shut the cond unit off. Power for the EVAP will come from the condensing unit .
just a bit of a hit for the people that like the Wago connector's. check your codes i know for a fact that in my area they are now not allowed yes i am in the states . insurance inspector are now failing house's for them. to many cheep knockoffs.
Which state specifically? The are UL listed so the AHJ can't really complain and most likely any insurance can't uphold qualms against stuff being up to code.
@@irfp460 the cheep china ones are the problem. i know the house that was just re-modeled and the insurance inspector ask for proof that they were not from china or not pass. the state is PA
@@hartsfire5706 The UL marks proves that they comply, even if they were made in China. You don't need to provide more information, that's his responsibility to prove that they are fake. If you are nice you can provide the UL Cert number, but it should not be necessary.
That is way too complicated Imo. But that's maybe because I'm use to working on a different type of setup. Unit and coil are not connected in any way here. Unit works purely on a LP/HP switch. Coil is controlled by a digital controller outside the frezzer. And the we run evap and room sensors. 1x5 Cabel to the coil. 1 wire for fans 1 wire for solenoid 1 wire for defrost 1 common 1 ground. A small boks in the coil to split the wires up. Then i can stand outside the frezzer and check my controller, and only go in to the frezzer if that checks out. Unit and coil are not on the same fuserelay. Don't use termination switches for defrost. Use Evap sensor, and if that fails defrost will end by time. Same thing with fans they are controlled by evap sensor and time. All that running up and down, back and forward makes no sense in my world. In this sernario you have, no need for me to go up on the roof, other then to check the comp for ice. But i have been on old systems, that setup like the one you are working on, and thanks because then I know exactly what to do😘😍
I have no problem with wire nuts whatsoever! I am on the fence with about those lever action splicers, actually, in the high amperage use. Especially in the freezers. Just flip the pointy end up and “skirt” down, and do not tape it in this application. Or get those blue ones!
I watched the video where they did a load test on it and they ran it up to 30 amps or more on a Wago that was rated for 20A and it did better than what a wire nut did.
@@HVACRSurvival I was about to comment this. There's proof on UA-cam plus that Mikey Pipes uses them all the time. Plus European countries have been using them for decades. I used to be a non believer until I saw the tests the guy was doing.
Please upload a video of you making a cake with your Kinpex Pliers!
Always my worst fear on a roof, slip and land on the tool bag, get gouged or break a hip.
I feel your pain on those white PTO roofs. I would wipe out at least 2 times a winter, when i was living in Buffalo. Even penguin walking you can slip. The metal roofs were the worst though.
I just love ice skating on white roofs! Glad nothing more than your pride was hurt.
I try to not be prideful, it just leads to destruction
You never get in a hurry.
Ouch!
On a lighter note, I want to see you bake a cake with those pliers. 😛
Hope you are ok Rick. Brings new meaning to HVACR 'Survival'.
😁 I'll live. That's what I was thinking when I choose the name.
I felt that fall. Been there done that.
Hyper extended my knee on one of those roof in the winter... Made it back across the roof and down the ladder....spent Christmas on crutches that year
I feel your pain slipped on ice and fell on a ridged roof last month.
That sucks 😔
Your brother got a nice rig there
Very nice truck, the skid loader was even more money 🙌
Thank you for recognizing us @11:55 #WAGO
I like the WAGO, its great! I just have a issue getting the shop to stock them.
Its likePeter Griffin when he falls down the stairs haha
Ive skated on those roofs, absolutely hate them. One time a company tried to get me to rope up a compressor on those latex roofs, after it had rained….naw i had a crane come out, homie aint playin the rope the compressor on a ledge with wet roof latex game lol
I haven't had good luck with the Russell defrost termination stats either. I replaced both on a big 4 fan coil last summer with new OEM ones (fan delay and defrost term), went back a month later and it was starting to grow the ice monster opposite end of the coil along the top. So had to set the defrost timer to about 40 minutes, and remove "X" from the timer. The default location up at the top there was just cutting off the defrost too early. As far as leaving the fan delay off, I have another restaurant with a freezer about this same size, ended up only leaving the high limit in place, and bypassing everything else. So there's no fan delay, no defrost termination. Two years later, there's still hardly any frost drips on the ceiling, and the coil hasn't iced up ever either. That one was a 2 fan Trenton coil. I like Trenton equipment, but there's no United Refrigeration close by me (that's who sells Trenton in my area AFAIK). So leaving the fans with no delay might work ok at that place, it just depends on the freezer 'climate' and how much they leave or prop the door open etc... YMMV. But I have quite a few like that. Although I prefer to just wire the fans directly to H4 etc with new spade terminals, wire nuts tend to fill up with water long term. Short term is fine like that though. Sometimes on a Saturday when the supply houses aren't open, you gotta do what you can to get them back up and running so they can have a freezer until Monday... :)
I'm going back there this week. I believe the parts are in now.
put a couple zip ties around the junk clip to hold the tabs on and the klixon around clip/pipe also.
if something happens to defrost or they leave the doors open and it freezes, it will still shred itself off. 😬
I slipped and fell like that on a stupid place that had a sloped roof combo with a flat section. I was sitting down for too long replacing a POS blower motor in a 5 ton Tempstar gas package unit, and both my feet were asleep. The fall didn't hurt at all, but because of the weird geometry of the 2 sections of sloped roof forming a little 3 sided valley, I twisted my ankle pretty bad. Took a month before that stopped hurting... Be careful on those horrible roofs. Trying to get down a ladder with a hurt ankle is no fun at all...
That's what I was worried about at first, if it was broke then if so how am I getting down.
That's part of the reason why if at all possible, I tend to stick with gum soles. I never know what I'm going to end up walking into. Yes, they'll melt more easily under heat, but they tend to stick better to just about anything, and frankly, if I hit solvent that'll melt the shoes, I'm charging the customer for a pair anyway.
I'm intrigued what are gum soles?
@@mitchell8204 - Latex rubber. As in natural rubber, rather than synthetics. A lot of Vans shoes have them. You can mostly tell them by the 'caramel' (tan) brown colour of the sole, which often goes as a band around the base of the shoe.
There are pros and cons to them, of course, but for my use case, they're much better than most of the current shoe bottoms. Especially that fuzzy almost-paper fake sole material they use now, which makes me think I can slide across most floors.
God how many times have I fallen on those damn rooms
Good video bro.
Hey Rookie! I haven't heard from you in a long time🍺🍺. Hope your well!
🙏👍💪❄🇺🇸 glad ur OK.
Thank you!
Beware the slippery floor
I went up on a roof this past week too. White roof, first thing in the morning and I fell right on a gas line.
OMG that had to hurt!
@@HVACRSurvival it was a little rough. I just laid there and thought about my life choices lol 😂
@@keehn20 👍👍🤣🤣
Those falls are the worst🥴 least it was a white roof and not a metal one
At least you didn't get mad when you fell.
O I did, I cut it out 😳
Hope you're ok!! I slipped on that style of roof before.
Thanks for asking, yep I'm doing well👍👍
Well if you'd gone to Orlando this week that would have been a bit safer!
I wish I had, I waited too long.
Those grunts when the camera goes dark...whoopsie
I was going for Grammy's on that performance 😉🙂
Sorry, I laughed when you fell
So have I now that I'm home. But it still hurts, it left a mark on the side of the knee
Jesus Rick 😂 you good? Happened to me 3 times in a row at a location, I was so pissed the rest of the day 😅
Yeah, it still hurts but nothing broke👍👍
Super job stay safe! If you keep getting on those roofs get your workman's comp papers and keep them in the truck
Ricky hope that fall doesn't bring pain to the body
Two reasons you highlighted in this video had made me leave the private work. Saturdays and falling on roofs.
Public HVAC? What for schools?
Nice job Rick. Hope you are OK.
Kudos on ya for pushing through and still bring thorough.
When you hurt yourself especially at the start it's pretty hard to still give a damn .
I needed a video 😉🤣. Thanks Archer👍👍🤜🤛
I've done one to many splits walking on slimy, mossy and wet roofs!!!! Sucks!!!! Glad you survived that one....
Thank you!
Ouch! That happens too much on the white roofs. At least you had a camera. How fast the fall is , amazing in a bad way.
It was unexpected, it happened in an instant.
Awesome job 👍👍 Hope your Hiney is ok from the slip.
I recognize that drive thru. Worked on the FBD machine down in the gas station
I miss those drive thru liquor stores from Ohio. Used to live near on in Fairfield.
😆 Nice job Rick! So glad I stay away from restaurants.
Been there done that slip. Man that sucks...
Oh boy. Careful you fall!
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for checking it out!
Great Video. Great Job. Thank you for sharing
Stay safe
You be careful !
that was hilarious
I'm glad my pain brought you pleasure...lol
Hope you are doing ok. I have detected a bit of frustration in your last videos. Almost like your spring is wound a little tighter than normal. Maybe just the winter blues. Take care.
I appreciate the concern👍👍. It hurts but I'm doing fine, luckily nothing broke that I know of 🤔. Nope, that's just me, it's my typical sarcasm, but it did hurt and I was mad, so I didn't spend time hiding it as I normally would.
Try some spikeless Michelin ice cleats.
Can't, it's a rubber roof, if I had known it had some invisible ice I would have walked slower and at the top of the peak.
Stay safe out there! Slip/trip hazards are the worst! I wonder if a pair of Dunlop Volleys (roofer's choice in Australia) would've helped with the grip.
It was slick where I was walking, I have the best Red Wing boots they make, not sure any shoe would stick to a thin layer of ice at the angle that was. I should have looked closer.
I've fallen too many times because of lightly frosted white membrane roofs. They should put some aggregate into the membrane for grip
I agree 💯
Watch them damn roofs Rick I hate them to
Those white roofs suck!!! Next time your looking for a breaker for the EVAP on a freezer, just shut the cond unit off. Power for the EVAP will come from the condensing unit .
Your 100% correct. But the panel wasn't labeled well was my main issue. Thanks for the feedback!👍
those slippery roofs will gettcha
just a bit of a hit for the people that like the Wago connector's. check your codes i know for a fact that in my area they are now not allowed yes i am in the states .
insurance inspector are now failing house's for them.
to many cheep knockoffs.
Which state specifically? The are UL listed so the AHJ can't really complain and most likely any insurance can't uphold qualms against stuff being up to code.
@@irfp460 the cheep china ones are the problem. i know the house that was just re-modeled and the insurance inspector ask for proof that they were not from china or not pass.
the state is PA
@@hartsfire5706 The UL marks proves that they comply, even if they were made in China.
You don't need to provide more information, that's his responsibility to prove that they are fake. If you are nice you can provide the UL Cert number, but it should not be necessary.
Good job Rick, Hope your alright after taking a spill?
I feel it still but I'm ok. Thanks man!
That is way too complicated Imo. But that's maybe because I'm use to working on a different type of setup.
Unit and coil are not connected in any way here.
Unit works purely on a LP/HP switch.
Coil is controlled by a digital controller outside the frezzer. And the we run evap and room sensors.
1x5 Cabel to the coil.
1 wire for fans
1 wire for solenoid
1 wire for defrost
1 common
1 ground.
A small boks in the coil to split the wires up.
Then i can stand outside the frezzer and check my controller, and only go in to the frezzer if that checks out.
Unit and coil are not on the same fuserelay.
Don't use termination switches for defrost. Use Evap sensor, and if that fails defrost will end by time.
Same thing with fans they are controlled by evap sensor and time.
All that running up and down, back and forward makes no sense in my world.
In this sernario you have, no need for me to go up on the roof, other then to check the comp for ice.
But i have been on old systems, that setup like the one you are working on, and thanks because then I know exactly what to do😘😍
I'm glad you like it👍👍
Wow! Those white roofs are a bitch. Great Video Rick!
Man i feel you pain. I hope you're OK and not one of jobs where it doesn't start hurting untiln2 days later.
I'll live but it did and still does hurt. Thanks for asking!
15 thumbs up
👍
whats the clothes pin on your book rack for?
Nipple Clamps for bad customers, they also help keep the chips fresh. I forget what the original reason was.
Don`t care what you use wire nuts or wago , Just make it work and safe
True 👍👍, I always hear about it either was😏
Lol why do they not like wire nuts? What do they use?
They use Wago type connectors
My god are you ok
It hurts but nothing broke, that's what it felt like at first.
👍👀🇺🇸
I hate roof Vents
It wasn't the vent, it was clear ice.
Dam booby traps!💥
They're killer🤜😏
I have no problem with wire nuts whatsoever! I am on the fence with about those lever action splicers, actually, in the high amperage use. Especially in the freezers.
Just flip the pointy end up and “skirt” down, and do not tape it in this application. Or get those blue ones!
I watched the video where they did a load test on it and they ran it up to 30 amps or more on a Wago that was rated for 20A and it did better than what a wire nut did.
@@HVACRSurvival I was about to comment this. There's proof on UA-cam plus that Mikey Pipes uses them all the time. Plus European countries have been using them for decades. I used to be a non believer until I saw the tests the guy was doing.
👍