A big issue that often gets overlooked is the bike fitting. A standard road bike fitting is for riding the bike out of aero. So when you add the aero bars, you run the risk injury or poorer performance due to being displaced from the proper positioning. Example is hip angle. Tri bikes is the opposite. You are fitted to be in aero. Being out of aero will alter your performance
The versatility of that Aeroad with aero bars is insane! I think the answer for any Pro or former Pro is pretty much always a TT bike. You should test this same thing with an average age grouper who's not very used to riding on a tri bike - that's where the majority of people are, I feel like.
80% of my distance on a road (gravel) bike, the final 20% and races are on my TT bike. The road bike just has a ton of flexibility for training that a TT bike makes "less fun". However, as you indicated, the ability to tightly integrate race day needs on the TT bike is not to be ignored. The ability to be super comfortable for a 90k+ is not to be ignored.
Just planning a training ride for a tri bike is a pita. Bike lanes are way too often too "curvy", every bump of the road let the bike rattle, and obstacles you can handle with a road bike can throw you in the bushes with a trii bike while in aero position. You are mostly limited to good roads - with all the traffic. I also do most of the outside training on the road bike. The tri is for indoor training and some preparation rides. Yes, it's a shame.
Key thing is the ability to still run well off the bike. Even with the saddle lifted and forward on the roadie it will struggle to achieve the seat angle of the tri bike, so hip flexor activity is massively increased. A good way to measure would be to add a ROTB to this test to see how each options perform
I use my Aerod 2021 for local sprint Distance Triathlon and the speedmax for middle distance or Olympic (depense on the Track). Also the fact that you can shift gears at the Aero bars are a big plus for speedmax and Triathlon bikes. But Great Video. Nice test 💪👍
Your position in the Aeroad looks surprisingly good.. Its a test/comparison that I wondered about too, especially since Gustav Edin won the 70.3 worlds on a roadbike in Nice 2019. For the road bike setup a different saddle Like the Ergon that was on the TT bike might have been better. I'm still looking for a elongated saddle that allows for two positions, one for in the drops and one for in the aerobars. For many age groupers its not just a question of which is fastest but also having to own two bikes instead of one. The Aeroad would make a great all year around training bike too..
If anyone watched the TT in the Tour this year they would know that you go with the bike that gives you the most advantage for the longest time. If you are doing Nice and putting out less than 200w, you are going to spend a lot of time climbing those hills and, for most average bike handlers, a lot of time on the brakes coming back down, for the average Triathlete there will be not enough time gained down on the bars on the Tri bike as averse to a aero road bike with bars, to regain the advantage.
I love this video because addresses the tabu of people that prefer or has budget only for a road bike or only one bike. Why have 2 bikes if you love riding mountains and train in a hilly area? Regarding the storage issue... I think this has not a lot to do with the road x TT ... I think the manufactures could start doing this adaptation for road too. People that train long and ride long also need to hydrate.... I am not sure why people think road bikers are so much more different than triathletes when it comes to biking. What I missed on the video was addressing the running fatigue....isn't the TT bike changing the sit angle so you use less running muscles? Or if you have a hilly course doesn't really matter what bike your are using in terms of fatigue in the running part?
If the Aeroad had integrated storage and hydration, and enough adjustment for saddle position, I don't see the need for the Speedmax. And add ample tire clearance, and you don't need a gravel bike either. But the way the bike industry is, you can't get all the features you want on ONE bike, as you should be able to.
My point on my comment. Some of us cannot afford 2 bikes or one of these bikes.... Important thing is to enjoy and have fun with what you have available.
100% agree with the closing thoughts, geometry is essential. Happen to own new aeroroad and speedmax gen 2 (UCI TT), both in M. The top tube length on TT is ca. 5cm more and can be also slammed more. To get that reach on aeroroad one would need to go L with longer stem but that increases stack height. Again going with long reach on aeroroad would result in too aggressive position on the road. If someone rides TT in aggressive/long position it will be hard to reproduce it, less aggressive likely possible. Hilly course certainly gives some edge to aeroroad. Really cool test!!! All in all new aeroroad is a weapon!!!
But you could convert the Aeroroad to match your TT position for a race if you wanted and then back for normal road riding afterwards? Assuming you’re not in a very aggressive position it sounds like you could. Correct me if I’m wrong. I see this being valuable as I could do 90 percent of my training on the Aeroad in road bike mode but then match the TT position with a little bit of tweaking and not have to buy a separate bike.
@@nockee I would not be able to match positions. Seat is way forward to be closer over the crank in TT, crank in TT is shorter. Aerobars reach far forward in TT. It would be a lot of changes. You can get close, likely close enough but compromises are unavoidable. It’s a bit like VW California, not a camper, not a family estate, not huge either, a bit of everything. As for the training I would say that more you train in TT position the better. You want to get used to putting power not being on the hoods. I think depends how crazy you are about efficiency, aero etc. Still aeroroad is nuts! Feels crazy fast, would not mind racing triathlon on it without aero bars 😅
This is exactly the video that i needed. I just finished the Flandrien-Challenge on my speedmax and i can tell ya. It’s possible, but it is def not made for adventure rides like that. Lol
Perfect timing for the video. I'm currently considering both options. Either a TT bike (Speedmax CF or Cube Aerium C68X) or an aero road bike with manufacturer clip-ons (Giant Propel SL or Canyon Aeroad). I used to have a Speedmax until I got hit by a car in April... And i do wonder if for all my climbing and solo training a road bike would be more reasonable
@@Shane_Finnegan nothing yet but I'm almost 100% sure it'll be an Aeroad with the new extensions. I'm still waiting for the car insurance company to pay compensation
If the course that you are riding is Nice 70.3 or 140.6, a lightweight road bike with clip-ons is definitely faster due to the climbing. I used a Cervelo P4 setup as a lightweight TT bike with Easton carbon bars and a shallow carbon wheelset.
Hi, Very interesting. I think for an ag the aerroad bike would often be better, even I always use TT bike. Hm … I think I wanted you Mark to run one brickrun maybe 6-8 km . Clock that one, pulse ?, cadence (?) after each bike. I wouldn’t be surprised if you felt better on the run after the road bike. Marie-Louise
I wish my 2020 Canyon could have integrated aerobars like the new model :( that aside I love my aeroad. it's such a great bike to ride and it feels like a bullet.
I would choose the aeroad, it can nearly do everything, from solo rides to group rides, triathlon, bikepacking.. I am not planning to win an Triathlon so I dong really care if I am 2minutes slower because of bike choice.
Just my experience as an average joe rider. I have both a TT/tri bike - Cervelo P3X and a top road bike 2024 Trek Madone SLR9 Mads Peterson. I often ride the Veloway here in Austin,Tx. 3 mile loop mix of small hills and flats about 100 feet elevation every loop. Riding 24-27 miles I always end up riding very similar mph. avg. but they feel completely different in different sections of the loop. Neither really faster than the other
I have had the exact same experience on a long 125km course with several small and one long uphill section with gracious gradients mostly not above 10%. Definitely not hilly but mountainous. I've had similar speeds and wattage with a road bike and a time trial bike. The road bike gained time on the uphills but lost that time on the flat parts. But that was a road bike without aero bars. In your case I am surprised that you have had almost identical times. It probably depends on the steepness of the climb in combination with the weight savings. Personally I kinda prefer the TT bike, even on longer rides. The road bike is fun for courses with steep climbs and winding descends where you need to be handle. But with good fitting a TT bike can be very comfortable and you can absolutely learn to handle the TT bike to be much more nimble than most people would believe it could be.
How is the comfort in comparison mate? I would like to get the aerroad, I live in Bavaria and have more hilly/mountain rides - felt really shitty in terms of safety on my Speedmax 2017.
@@philipteixeira7982 If you getting the Aeroad it will feel like a road bike anyway, albeit a bit more agressive aka you’ll be more bent over. Not really any issue of comfort for me personally, but you have to know whether you can hold such an aggressive position for some time. Might be that your glutes will hurt after a while if they are not trained enough for that position. If you are getting a TT bike like a Speedmax for me personally the comfort isn’t any worse. It’s a different position but for me different doesn’t mean worse for comfort. The only thing is that in a TT position my bib shorts legs always slide up over time and build up in the crotch area. The extra fabric between your legs can then cause some chafing. If you only ride 30km that won’t be an issue. Either use creme there or pull the shorts down again from time to time. Also I had saddle sores when the saddle was too soft. Changed it to a stiffer one.
While I really love this kind of content, I think always doing these comparisons on top tier bikes, the results might be quite skewed compared to what the general consumerbase might experience. I personally think the advantages/disadvantages between the two types of bikes really diminish when you use electronic groupsets. I would think the timegap between the two bikes would be marginally higher if the bikes were equipped with mechanical groupsets - even if everything else was the same. On the flats the TT bike might be even faster and vice versa in the hills for the road bike, because they only have one set of shifters each. I quickly upgraded my TT bike to electronic groupset to get that extra set of shifters on the basebar - it makes the climbs and decends much safer and quicker. I even occationally use the TT bike for group rides, as I never have to take my hands off the brakes when riding - something I would never do with a mechanical groupset.
No, YOU get a tt bike last if that fits your needs. Other people have many different needs. I personally did my first two triathlons on my old 7-speed, aluminum frame, down tube-shifters road bike with aerobars. When I was ready to buy something I got a used TT bike and didn't touch the other bike for anything else except commuting. I used the TT bike for training, group rides, TT races, triathlons long rides... because it was just better than the old bike in every dimension (lighter, more aero, bigger gearing range). Yes, you need to politely ask if the group would accept you with a TT bike. Some do, some don't. Then I got interested in Gran Fondos and going to group rides that do pace lines so I got a road bike. But that was LAST for me. For other people, I do see cases where they could benefit from going directly from an urban bike to a TT bike: people that is interested in triathlons, rides alone or with other triathletes most of the time and is flexible enough. Go for it. It doesn't matter the fitness level. I've heard people saying that TT bike are only for faster people or longer distances. I disagree: if you want to be competitive in your age group a basic TT bike will be faster than a road bike in most courses
Interesting same situation, I have done sprints and Olympic distance on cheap entry bike. Looking at either used Tri bike or save for nice new road bike. What used tri bike did you get?
@@Shane_Finnegan I got a Cervelo P3 2010 with 50mm wheels for $1500. I don't regret it. I had the option to buy a Shiv with DI2 and box section wheels circa 2020 for $2000. It would have been a nice option as well but I'm convinced it would have been slower because of the wheels. The things that I feel outdated in the P3 are the width of the wheels (I use 23mm tires but those wheels probably work best with 21mm the frame won't let me use anything bigger than 25mm). The conventional head tube with round spacers (round tube creates drag; I put a bento box behind it to clean airflow, newer bikes have better solutions). It lacks attachments for storage or integrated storage. It has no integrated hydration and adding a round bottle in frame probably is bad for aero (I use bottle in aerobars and behind me, added the bottle in frame for a 70.3). It is 10 speed mechanical, if you are really picky about your cadence and power you can get in situations where you are in between gears and it has cables which are bad for aero. If you see that list, those are minor things, and even a newer road bike can have them. I can go 37km/h on the flat with 180W, 34km/h with 150W. Those are really good numbers in my opinion. In your case, you can go really expensive on a new road bike and then you need to spend on aerobars. And then maybe the geometry is not ideal...
I feel the course was a bit of a cop out. Mark shuld have done a loop of the full course on each bike. That would make a fair comparison, including comfort, storage and all other considerations. Also for some wierd reason, we like to see our favorite yt presenters suffer.
@@markthrelfall3577let’s see that full distance content and compare the results to Best Bike Split. I’d like to do an Ironman on the Nice course in the few years. It would be a lot easier coming from Oz with only one bike.
If you have to run for 42 km off the bike after 180km of biking, I would totally suggest a tt bike: the seat angle cannot be simulated clipping extensions to the handlebar and that makes 90% of the difference, the 10% being the aero gain of the tt bike.
I see a lot of TERRIBLE aero positions with clip-ons. Aero bars are only useful if you can maintain the aero position for a long time. I rode a road-bike conversion for a few years and set it up with a forward seatpost. When I got my TT bike I just copied my stack/reach for the same position, but what a difference it was riding a bike designed to be in that position. Although my position was identical, I was much more comfortable as higher speeds and could hold an aero position for longer times (making it faster).
I didn't need a tri bike or I wouldn't if the aeroad I just bought could use the new gear groove handlebar but canyon intentionally made it so I can't swap. So I'll stick with my Dolan TR1
I bought a canyon endurace with integrated cockpit a few months ago. I wanted to switch out the cockpit with the new one with gear grove. But that isn't possible? Why? What a big middle finger to us costumers... :(
A table with a direct comparison for each of the segments stats would have been nice. My main question (how many kmh difference on the flats at same wattage) unfortunately remains unanswered
I find that tri bikes are very expensive and incredibly dangerous to train with on roads with traffic. For that reason I purchased and aero road bike with aero bars to train on and ride on courses with any hills and rent or borrow a tri bike for anything that is super flat. Honestly I am doing this for my health and fun rather than being super competitive so I can't really justify the price and lack of safety while training. If i was a pro triathlete and sponsored it would be a different thing altogether.
Can you match the same position on both bikes by pushing the saddle west forward? If you can, the only benefit of the TT bikes is the storage. Would be interesting to see a longer flat test comparing them.
Shame canyon say it’s an arm rest only and you can’t fit (or they won’t anyway) di2 shifters to the end of the aero bars even though they have it on the speed max. I asked the service dept. They said no.
What bottle cages are you using on the aeroad? Seen the canyon cages rattle with all bottles in exc. canyon bottles, so interested to see you’re using a different cage with pf&h bottles
I’d like to try a tri bike, in fact I even thought about making a disc wheel for my madone but I would have had to get new wheels and that was too expensive
Great video. I think the important question is, how would you feel when you start your run after a 90 or 180km ride. I had both types of bikes and the comfort & geometry of the Tri bikes were always better concerning having fresher legs for the run segment.
It’s a very interesting vid,I have an old school TT bike full carbon and 22 lb and a cervelo road bike 16lb I’ve always wonder if I put Clip on aero bars on it would it beat my dedicated TT bike I was just wondering on hip angles and power output while down on tt bars any body else tried this with power meter 🤔
Have Ironman wales this weekend. It’s a hilly course and it looks like rain. I’m taking the previous gen Aeroad and not the P3, because handling is so much better.
Interesting video! Unfortunately you cannot put aero bars onto the 2023 Aeroad cockpit, which is a big disappointment. The new Aeroad cockpit also doesn't fit the 2023 Aeroad frame (seriously Canyon?)... If anyone has found a solution to that problem, I would be interested to hear.
First: thanks for the video! I want to take the challenge of a Ironman and had a 2017 Speedmax. I allways felt unsafe on the bike driving in Bavaria, Germany. I sold my speedmax this year and than canyon brings the aerroad. With 2 m of height I haven‘t a lot of Options. I,m also not looking for smashing the sub 10 Ironman. I think the aerroad is more comfortable than a Speedmax and also got more versatility. Is there any suggestions about the 180k comparing the 2 bikes? I don’t want to hurt myself because of the wrong geometry.
isn't the question and testing that should be done is the performance on the run AFTER the bike? As most tests always show very small difference in times between a road bike and TT/Tri bike.
A few weeks ago, GTN explained us, that a Tri-Bike has a such good geometry, so you are more Aero, and at the same time more relaxed for the run. Now, Canyon has its playbook and GTN is the best partner. Congrats Canyon for your marketing-strategy and sorry GTN for beiing manipulated... or "payed"
yes, I did... stick on my opinion. I am fan of Canyon, own(ed) more than 5 (Aerod, Ultimate and Endurance). But a "global" Channel should be more independent. 10 Min Commercial, not much value - everything in the video has been explained before in other videos many times. But a good platform for Canyon.
I can’t find an angle adjuster for the tri bars for the aeroad. Anyone knows where to look? It should be the same as the speedmax and in this movie ist is angled
You can probably get third party mounts or a different saddle that is compatible with bottle mounts, but it's probably not as nicely integrated or aero as the Speedmax options
On 18 May 2023 this channel ran exactly the same video with exactly the same content with almost exactly the same title with the same thumbnail of some guy pulling a stupid face… bloody hell GTN, start coming up with some original material or just back off the frequency. The more you regurgitate the same old crap, the less authoritative you become. BTW - no you don’t need a TT bike, unless you want the chance to win, in which case of course you need a proper TT bike. It is like asking if you really need an F1 car to win a Grand Prix.
Completely different bikes, different course discussed, different outcomes. The video in May is filmed in a set for starters, very much focussed on the differences between the bikes for an entry level triathlete. I’m a little puzzled by your F1 argument. Take a watch of the video 😊
Testing a Road bike compared to Triathlon bike should NOT include aero bars on the road bike. This video should be called "How close can we match a TT bike?"
The point is that most people have 2 bikes. This video shows that actually unless you are an elite age grouper (doing a 70.3 in sub 4 hours 30 mins), and you like road cycling then you are better off buying a roadie which you will use for most of your training, and if you want to go on a biking holiday to the Alps (or similar) you can still take your kick ass road bike with you without the aero bars on. Instead of buying two top of the range bikes, why not get the roadie, and use the spare cash from not buying the TT bike, for a proper disc wheel that you put on your road bike along with the aero bars when you do a triathlon. Takes up less space at home and is going to be mere second slower and thousands of dollars cheaper.
Which bike would you opt for, or do you have both a road bike and tri bike? 🤔
I live in the Netherlands, pretty easy choice for me 🤣
Tri bike all day long.
Do you know some aerobars to apply on road bike with integrated carbon handlebar?
Thanks
Road bike all day long.
My absolute favorite subject for a video, of all time!!! I can sit and watch hundrends of variations and never get bored.
And after watching so much content, have you reached any conclusions?
A big issue that often gets overlooked is the bike fitting. A standard road bike fitting is for riding the bike out of aero. So when you add the aero bars, you run the risk injury or poorer performance due to being displaced from the proper positioning. Example is hip angle.
Tri bikes is the opposite. You are fitted to be in aero. Being out of aero will alter your performance
The versatility of that Aeroad with aero bars is insane! I think the answer for any Pro or former Pro is pretty much always a TT bike. You should test this same thing with an average age grouper who's not very used to riding on a tri bike - that's where the majority of people are, I feel like.
I'd love to see that!
220w is not pro at all, so this would be what a normal people could expect
@@paulzhang1992 i wasnt talking about power
Thanks for the suggestion, we'll keep it in mind!
80% of my distance on a road (gravel) bike, the final 20% and races are on my TT bike. The road bike just has a ton of flexibility for training that a TT bike makes "less fun". However, as you indicated, the ability to tightly integrate race day needs on the TT bike is not to be ignored. The ability to be super comfortable for a 90k+ is not to be ignored.
Just planning a training ride for a tri bike is a pita. Bike lanes are way too often too "curvy", every bump of the road let the bike rattle, and obstacles you can handle with a road bike can throw you in the bushes with a trii bike while in aero position. You are mostly limited to good roads - with all the traffic. I also do most of the outside training on the road bike. The tri is for indoor training and some preparation rides. Yes, it's a shame.
@@ralfmimoun2826 unfortunately you are 100% right !! The same here in Greece ……
Key thing is the ability to still run well off the bike.
Even with the saddle lifted and forward on the roadie it will struggle to achieve the seat angle of the tri bike, so hip flexor activity is massively increased.
A good way to measure would be to add a ROTB to this test to see how each options perform
If you are not fighting for the podium in an AG, the aero road bike is the only bike you need to train, compete and enjoy your ride
You are right! This bike is very expensive, i don’t see the point in buying it.
I use my Aerod 2021 for local sprint Distance Triathlon and the speedmax for middle distance or Olympic (depense on the Track).
Also the fact that you can shift gears at the Aero bars are a big plus for speedmax and Triathlon bikes.
But Great Video. Nice test 💪👍
with wireless shifting you can do the same on the road bike with aerobars
@@Yurkevich22 True 😅👍
Your position in the Aeroad looks surprisingly good.. Its a test/comparison that I wondered about too, especially since Gustav Edin won the 70.3 worlds on a roadbike in Nice 2019. For the road bike setup a different saddle Like the Ergon that was on the TT bike might have been better. I'm still looking for a elongated saddle that allows for two positions, one for in the drops and one for in the aerobars. For many age groupers its not just a question of which is fastest but also having to own two bikes instead of one. The Aeroad would make a great all year around training bike too..
Redshift TT seatpost solves this
@@Vishnjaaa Thx I'll check it out.
There is no redshift TT seatpost for seatposts that are not perfectly round. The Aeroad cannot be equipped with a redshift TT dual position seatpost
The one I’ve got. No extra cost.
Impressed especially with the round bootle …
If anyone watched the TT in the Tour this year they would know that you go with the bike that gives you the most advantage for the longest time. If you are doing Nice and putting out less than 200w, you are going to spend a lot of time climbing those hills and, for most average bike handlers, a lot of time on the brakes coming back down, for the average Triathlete there will be not enough time gained down on the bars on the Tri bike as averse to a aero road bike with bars, to regain the advantage.
I love this video because addresses the tabu of people that prefer or has budget only for a road bike or only one bike. Why have 2 bikes if you love riding mountains and train in a hilly area?
Regarding the storage issue... I think this has not a lot to do with the road x TT ... I think the manufactures could start doing this adaptation for road too. People that train long and ride long also need to hydrate.... I am not sure why people think road bikers are so much more different than triathletes when it comes to biking. What I missed on the video was addressing the running fatigue....isn't the TT bike changing the sit angle so you use less running muscles? Or if you have a hilly course doesn't really matter what bike your are using in terms of fatigue in the running part?
If the Aeroad had integrated storage and hydration, and enough adjustment for saddle position, I don't see the need for the Speedmax. And add ample tire clearance, and you don't need a gravel bike either. But the way the bike industry is, you can't get all the features you want on ONE bike, as you should be able to.
you could very easily at least on another bike flip the seatpost or use a fastforward seat post to get closer to a true tt position
"He who grasps too much holds on to little." Don’t you think so? 🤔
F*ck the bike industry, f*ck the bike prices as well. S*ck me off
Man I wish I had either of them bikes
Both look incredible, don’t they?
My point on my comment. Some of us cannot afford 2 bikes or one of these bikes.... Important thing is to enjoy and have fun with what you have available.
100% agree with the closing thoughts, geometry is essential. Happen to own new aeroroad and speedmax gen 2 (UCI TT), both in M. The top tube length on TT is ca. 5cm more and can be also slammed more. To get that reach on aeroroad one would need to go L with longer stem but that increases stack height. Again going with long reach on aeroroad would result in too aggressive position on the road. If someone rides TT in aggressive/long position it will be hard to reproduce it, less aggressive likely possible. Hilly course certainly gives some edge to aeroroad. Really cool test!!! All in all new aeroroad is a weapon!!!
But you could convert the Aeroroad to match your TT position for a race if you wanted and then back for normal road riding afterwards? Assuming you’re not in a very aggressive position it sounds like you could. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I see this being valuable as I could do 90 percent of my training on the Aeroad in road bike mode but then match the TT position with a little bit of tweaking and not have to buy a separate bike.
@@nockee I would not be able to match positions. Seat is way forward to be closer over the crank in TT, crank in TT is shorter. Aerobars reach far forward in TT. It would be a lot of changes. You can get close, likely close enough but compromises are unavoidable. It’s a bit like VW California, not a camper, not a family estate, not huge either, a bit of everything. As for the training I would say that more you train in TT position the better. You want to get used to putting power not being on the hoods. I think depends how crazy you are about efficiency, aero etc. Still aeroroad is nuts! Feels crazy fast, would not mind racing triathlon on it without aero bars 😅
This is exactly the video that i needed. I just finished the Flandrien-Challenge on my speedmax and i can tell ya. It’s possible, but it is def not made for adventure rides like that. Lol
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Perfect timing for the video. I'm currently considering both options. Either a TT bike (Speedmax CF or Cube Aerium C68X) or an aero road bike with manufacturer clip-ons (Giant Propel SL or Canyon Aeroad). I used to have a Speedmax until I got hit by a car in April... And i do wonder if for all my climbing and solo training a road bike would be more reasonable
Hope you're well, and that the video is helpful. Cheers!
What you end up getting?
@@Shane_Finnegan nothing yet but I'm almost 100% sure it'll be an Aeroad with the new extensions. I'm still waiting for the car insurance company to pay compensation
Ace filum Mark
I don’t have a tt bike but I love the agility and feel of my thorough bread race machine Horis the Giant Contend 2 sl
And he’s blue too
An interesting test would be a road bike without vs a road bike with aero bars
If the course that you are riding is Nice 70.3 or 140.6, a lightweight road bike with clip-ons is definitely faster due to the climbing. I used a Cervelo P4 setup as a lightweight TT bike with Easton carbon bars and a shallow carbon wheelset.
The real question is. Do you Need a bike for 10K as a Hobby Athlet ?😂
Hi,
Very interesting. I think for an ag the aerroad bike would often be better, even I always use TT bike.
Hm … I think I wanted you Mark to run one brickrun maybe 6-8 km . Clock that one, pulse ?, cadence (?) after each bike. I wouldn’t be surprised if you felt better on the run after the road bike.
Marie-Louise
I wish my 2020 Canyon could have integrated aerobars like the new model :( that aside I love my aeroad. it's such a great bike to ride and it feels like a bullet.
It's one of the great innovations we're glad you brought along.
I would choose the aeroad, it can nearly do everything, from solo rides to group rides, triathlon, bikepacking.. I am not planning to win an Triathlon so I dong really care if I am 2minutes slower because of bike choice.
Just my experience as an average joe rider. I have both a TT/tri bike - Cervelo P3X and a top road bike 2024 Trek Madone SLR9 Mads Peterson.
I often ride the Veloway here in Austin,Tx. 3 mile loop mix of small hills and flats about 100 feet elevation every loop. Riding 24-27 miles I always end up riding very similar mph. avg. but they feel completely different in different sections of the loop. Neither really faster than the other
I have had the exact same experience on a long 125km course with several small and one long uphill section with gracious gradients mostly not above 10%. Definitely not hilly but mountainous. I've had similar speeds and wattage with a road bike and a time trial bike. The road bike gained time on the uphills but lost that time on the flat parts. But that was a road bike without aero bars. In your case I am surprised that you have had almost identical times. It probably depends on the steepness of the climb in combination with the weight savings.
Personally I kinda prefer the TT bike, even on longer rides. The road bike is fun for courses with steep climbs and winding descends where you need to be handle. But with good fitting a TT bike can be very comfortable and you can absolutely learn to handle the TT bike to be much more nimble than most people would believe it could be.
How is the comfort in comparison mate? I would like to get the aerroad, I live in Bavaria and have more hilly/mountain rides - felt really shitty in terms of safety on my Speedmax 2017.
@@philipteixeira7982 If you getting the Aeroad it will feel like a road bike anyway, albeit a bit more agressive aka you’ll be more bent over. Not really any issue of comfort for me personally, but you have to know whether you can hold such an aggressive position for some time. Might be that your glutes will hurt after a while if they are not trained enough for that position. If you are getting a TT bike like a Speedmax for me personally the comfort isn’t any worse. It’s a different position but for me different doesn’t mean worse for comfort. The only thing is that in a TT position my bib shorts legs always slide up over time and build up in the crotch area. The extra fabric between your legs can then cause some chafing. If you only ride 30km that won’t be an issue. Either use creme there or pull the shorts down again from time to time. Also I had saddle sores when the saddle was too soft. Changed it to a stiffer one.
@@erikmmartens 180 km +
While I really love this kind of content, I think always doing these comparisons on top tier bikes, the results might be quite skewed compared to what the general consumerbase might experience.
I personally think the advantages/disadvantages between the two types of bikes really diminish when you use electronic groupsets.
I would think the timegap between the two bikes would be marginally higher if the bikes were equipped with mechanical groupsets - even if everything else was the same.
On the flats the TT bike might be even faster and vice versa in the hills for the road bike, because they only have one set of shifters each.
I quickly upgraded my TT bike to electronic groupset to get that extra set of shifters on the basebar - it makes the climbs and decends much safer and quicker.
I even occationally use the TT bike for group rides, as I never have to take my hands off the brakes when riding - something I would never do with a mechanical groupset.
You get a tt/tri bike last , not first.
No, YOU get a tt bike last if that fits your needs. Other people have many different needs. I personally did my first two triathlons on my old 7-speed, aluminum frame, down tube-shifters road bike with aerobars. When I was ready to buy something I got a used TT bike and didn't touch the other bike for anything else except commuting. I used the TT bike for training, group rides, TT races, triathlons long rides... because it was just better than the old bike in every dimension (lighter, more aero, bigger gearing range).
Yes, you need to politely ask if the group would accept you with a TT bike. Some do, some don't.
Then I got interested in Gran Fondos and going to group rides that do pace lines so I got a road bike. But that was LAST for me.
For other people, I do see cases where they could benefit from going directly from an urban bike to a TT bike: people that is interested in triathlons, rides alone or with other triathletes most of the time and is flexible enough. Go for it. It doesn't matter the fitness level. I've heard people saying that TT bike are only for faster people or longer distances. I disagree: if you want to be competitive in your age group a basic TT bike will be faster than a road bike in most courses
Interesting same situation, I have done sprints and Olympic distance on cheap entry bike. Looking at either used Tri bike or save for nice new road bike. What used tri bike did you get?
@@Shane_Finnegan I got a Cervelo P3 2010 with 50mm wheels for $1500. I don't regret it. I had the option to buy a Shiv with DI2 and box section wheels circa 2020 for $2000. It would have been a nice option as well but I'm convinced it would have been slower because of the wheels. The things that I feel outdated in the P3 are the width of the wheels (I use 23mm tires but those wheels probably work best with 21mm the frame won't let me use anything bigger than 25mm). The conventional head tube with round spacers (round tube creates drag; I put a bento box behind it to clean airflow, newer bikes have better solutions). It lacks attachments for storage or integrated storage. It has no integrated hydration and adding a round bottle in frame probably is bad for aero (I use bottle in aerobars and behind me, added the bottle in frame for a 70.3). It is 10 speed mechanical, if you are really picky about your cadence and power you can get in situations where you are in between gears and it has cables which are bad for aero. If you see that list, those are minor things, and even a newer road bike can have them. I can go 37km/h on the flat with 180W, 34km/h with 150W. Those are really good numbers in my opinion. In your case, you can go really expensive on a new road bike and then you need to spend on aerobars. And then maybe the geometry is not ideal...
Aeroad all day long for me. Only need the one bike for training and racing.
I feel the course was a bit of a cop out. Mark shuld have done a loop of the full course on each bike. That would make a fair comparison, including comfort, storage and all other considerations.
Also for some wierd reason, we like to see our favorite yt presenters suffer.
😂 I almost did a couple of days later with Anne Haug. So that content does exist
@@markthrelfall3577 That's great to hear, I'll need the inspiration to start using my turbo trainer again.
@@markthrelfall3577let’s see that full distance content and compare the results to Best Bike Split. I’d like to do an Ironman on the Nice course in the few years. It would be a lot easier coming from Oz with only one bike.
If you have to run for 42 km off the bike after 180km of biking, I would totally suggest a tt bike: the seat angle cannot be simulated clipping extensions to the handlebar and that makes 90% of the difference, the 10% being the aero gain of the tt bike.
Are you sure you can’t get your body in a real TT position? It looks pretty close to me.
@@nockee it's not the position, it's the angles of the hips and knees that are required to reach that position that truly differe.
I see a lot of TERRIBLE aero positions with clip-ons. Aero bars are only useful if you can maintain the aero position for a long time. I rode a road-bike conversion for a few years and set it up with a forward seatpost. When I got my TT bike I just copied my stack/reach for the same position, but what a difference it was riding a bike designed to be in that position. Although my position was identical, I was much more comfortable as higher speeds and could hold an aero position for longer times (making it faster).
Exactly the video I needed ! Which size are those frames ? The speedmax looks huge
I didn't need a tri bike or I wouldn't if the aeroad I just bought could use the new gear groove handlebar but canyon intentionally made it so I can't swap. So I'll stick with my Dolan TR1
I bought a canyon endurace with integrated cockpit a few months ago. I wanted to switch out the cockpit with the new one with gear grove. But that isn't possible? Why? What a big middle finger to us costumers... :(
@@RewildingFlanders why buy one bike when two bike do trick?
@@J.Relford I already have another one from Canyon, a gravelbike. I got fooled once...
Good video. What were the times for each section: hill climb, flat, hill descent? Would be interesting to compare speeds, not just time differences
A table with a direct comparison for each of the segments stats would have been nice. My main question (how many kmh difference on the flats at same wattage) unfortunately remains unanswered
I find that tri bikes are very expensive and incredibly dangerous to train with on roads with traffic. For that reason I purchased and aero road bike with aero bars to train on and ride on courses with any hills and rent or borrow a tri bike for anything that is super flat. Honestly I am doing this for my health and fun rather than being super competitive so I can't really justify the price and lack of safety while training. If i was a pro triathlete and sponsored it would be a different thing altogether.
Agree
Can you match the same position on both bikes by pushing the saddle west forward? If you can, the only benefit of the TT bikes is the storage. Would be interesting to see a longer flat test comparing them.
Shame canyon say it’s an arm rest only and you can’t fit (or they won’t anyway) di2 shifters to the end of the aero bars even though they have it on the speed max. I asked the service dept. They said no.
SRAM wireless blips. Take aeroad sram force version
What bottle cages are you using on the aeroad? Seen the canyon cages rattle with all bottles in exc. canyon bottles, so interested to see you’re using a different cage with pf&h bottles
I’d like to try a tri bike, in fact I even thought about making a disc wheel for my madone but I would have had to get new wheels and that was too expensive
Vintage Road Bike For The Win 🤙🤙
Modern bikes with aero design will always be quicker than a vintage lightweight bike on most places until you get to 7% plus climbs
What do you mean to enjoy the comfort of a road bike. I enjoy the comfort of a TT bike.
Great video. I think the important question is, how would you feel when you start your run after a 90 or 180km ride. I had both types of bikes and the comfort & geometry of the Tri bikes were always better concerning having fresher legs for the run segment.
It’s a very interesting vid,I have an old school TT bike full carbon and 22 lb and a cervelo road bike 16lb I’ve always wonder if I put Clip on aero bars on it would it beat my dedicated TT bike I was just wondering on hip angles and power output while down on tt bars any body else tried this with power meter 🤔
Have Ironman wales this weekend. It’s a hilly course and it looks like rain. I’m taking the previous gen Aeroad and not the P3, because handling is so much better.
If Canyon sold an extra seatpost to make it similar to the angle of a tt bike, the tt bike would lose a lot of buyers.
My old Cervélo Soloist roadbike had a reversible seatpost to create a TT psotion. It worked fine, however the bike handling was a little tricky.
@@raymondszostek1680 why?
@@StonerOnLane too much weight on the front wheel. Took a little time to get used to it, but once I got used to it, it was no longer a problem
Interesting video! Unfortunately you cannot put aero bars onto the 2023 Aeroad cockpit, which is a big disappointment. The new Aeroad cockpit also doesn't fit the 2023 Aeroad frame (seriously Canyon?)...
If anyone has found a solution to that problem, I would be interested to hear.
First: thanks for the video!
I want to take the challenge of a Ironman and had a 2017 Speedmax. I allways felt unsafe on the bike driving in Bavaria, Germany. I sold my speedmax this year and than canyon brings the aerroad. With 2 m of height I haven‘t a lot of Options. I,m also not looking for smashing the sub 10 Ironman. I think the aerroad is more comfortable than a Speedmax and also got more versatility.
Is there any suggestions about the 180k comparing the 2 bikes? I don’t want to hurt myself because of the wrong geometry.
Where do you get the mount for the bike computer for the Canyon Aeroad?
isn't the question and testing that should be done is the performance on the run AFTER the bike? As most tests always show very small difference in times between a road bike and TT/Tri bike.
where i can buy tt bars for cockpit??
The problem is the aero bars are only compatible with new aeroroads
How many times are going to do this type of video 🤣 did I watch it,,, yes
A few weeks ago, GTN explained us, that a Tri-Bike has a such good geometry, so you are more Aero, and at the same time more relaxed for the run. Now, Canyon has its playbook and GTN is the best partner. Congrats Canyon for your marketing-strategy and sorry GTN for beiing manipulated... or "payed"
You have watched the whole video? Literally discuss just that
yes, I did... stick on my opinion. I am fan of Canyon, own(ed) more than 5 (Aerod, Ultimate and Endurance). But a "global" Channel should be more independent. 10 Min Commercial, not much value - everything in the video has been explained before in other videos many times. But a good platform for Canyon.
I can’t find an angle adjuster for the tri bars for the aeroad. Anyone knows where to look? It should be the same as the speedmax and in this movie ist is angled
Whats the ascention x distance of this course?
I thought the aeroad Could Mount Bottle Cages behind the Seat
Me too.
You can probably get third party mounts or a different saddle that is compatible with bottle mounts, but it's probably not as nicely integrated or aero as the Speedmax options
Questioned canyon, it’s only a holder for number plates or similar
@@runorjohn2 oh ok
Why are you doing bike comps when it is the World Champs this week... lets step things up GTN
Loads of IM content already out and going out this week.
This was on the IM WC course too ;)
For a full, TT bike all the way. Half or less, you can get away with a road bike.
I’ll be carrying food in my back pockets ☠️
Why are GTN trying so hard on the cinematography?!
Fetishism!
I took my old Steel Bike from 1979
On 18 May 2023 this channel ran exactly the same video with exactly the same content with almost exactly the same title with the same thumbnail of some guy pulling a stupid face… bloody hell GTN, start coming up with some original material or just back off the frequency. The more you regurgitate the same old crap, the less authoritative you become.
BTW - no you don’t need a TT bike, unless you want the chance to win, in which case of course you need a proper TT bike. It is like asking if you really need an F1 car to win a Grand Prix.
Completely different bikes, different course discussed, different outcomes. The video in May is filmed in a set for starters, very much focussed on the differences between the bikes for an entry level triathlete.
I’m a little puzzled by your F1 argument.
Take a watch of the video 😊
Lol😅
Road bike quicker for that sort of coarse
Testing a Road bike compared to Triathlon bike should NOT include aero bars on the road bike. This video should be called "How close can we match a TT bike?"
With how easily you can mount aero bars on all round and at least some flat/aero road bike handlebars, why leave them out?
The point is that most people have 2 bikes. This video shows that actually unless you are an elite age grouper (doing a 70.3 in sub 4 hours 30 mins), and you like road cycling then you are better off buying a roadie which you will use for most of your training, and if you want to go on a biking holiday to the Alps (or similar) you can still take your kick ass road bike with you without the aero bars on. Instead of buying two top of the range bikes, why not get the roadie, and use the spare cash from not buying the TT bike, for a proper disc wheel that you put on your road bike along with the aero bars when you do a triathlon. Takes up less space at home and is going to be mere second slower and thousands of dollars cheaper.
That's is a fair point 😅. But I think wants to address those that don't want to have a TT and do Tri.
lol why climb 7% hill on TT bike. It’s only for flat
depends on the lenght of the climb. I did Liège-Bastogne-Liège on a tri bike without a problem (some sections of La Redoute are 20%)
But but but....run off. Tri bike leaves you hips looser