All of a sudden!? Baseless beliefs have been held by people for far longer than we can ascertain, as we delve into prehistoric times. Last time I checked, there hasn't been any time when people somehow ceased to form and hold baseless beliefs. For all we know, they might as well all be caused by faults intrinsic to human cognition.
@@lucofparis4819 There is a big difference between a few nutcases thinking something nasty versus a massive chunk of the population genuinely wanting to check themselves out and not have to be bothered by existential threats though that are smashing at the gate, though.
on c19 alone what he did after buying twitter - allowing dissenters to speak (vs cancelling them for "spreading dangerous misinformation") - was a gift to us all.
@@7QHookit’s called free speech. It’s about everyone having the ability to say what they like. If you don’t like or agree you don’t have to listen. Fragile feelings now are becoming more and more common.
@@PLl-jr8xi and yet all of the social support mechanisms that used to be there to support people for fourty years have slowly been taken away, but yeah it's the idlers tearing apart the social fabric or the disabled, grow up.
@@Poemi10304 Skillful enough still that neither the Dems establishment nor the bulk of legacy and new corporate media types could find a way to break the populist rhetoric down for the drivel it really is.
James, let the man speak. We _know_ what you think, let us hear what the caller has to say. I understand your unbridled enthusiasm to talk over and interrupt people who are clearly talking nonsense, but when you get someone on the line that is being moderately reasonable, please, have the sense and humility to let them talk without interjecting every fourth word. You talk about the necessity to "have conversations" and I agree with that, but _how_ do you have a conversation with someone who isn't listening because they're too busy interrupting and, dare I say it, pontificating?
Exactly, the poor bloke was making salient points about the grooming gangs which he made perfectly when James shut up and let him talk about how smashing the gangs rhetoric doesn't match deportation rhetoric for the average person. It's a very astute observation.
Almost seems like James was trying to obfuscate the point about having tough conversations when the evidence seems to support some right wing concerns...
Basically this whole conversation is a prime example of why the “left” will never get it. The minute one brings up a difficult topic from the right another shuts them down before the point can be made. Extremely frustrating.
The problem is chiefly to do with countering illogical propaganda. Immigration has been a factor for thousands of years, we’ve a well linked global community now, while the 21st century sees more and more people using this factor, and people’s fear of the unknown, to gain political traction, by trying to shut down borders to a level that’s simply not possible or sustainable if you have sold off all your country’s assets. Unless you establish your country as self sufficient, in parallel with other countries agreeing and pursuing the same aim, with localised circular economies, you’re always going to have populists blaming others in hard times. The tories simultaneously Brexited to try and gain their precious sovereignty, with the control of borders and tightening the choice of destinations in terms of trading, promoting isolationism, while paradoxically suggesting becoming more open to broader global trade. The latter happened if queried about xenophobia. They skewed immigration so it shifted from more transient EU citizens to people from other parts of the world. They also generated an issue with small boats, that barely existed before, then shifted to BlueKip style culture wars, with ludicrously flawed faux solutions, that didn’t resolve anything and did nothing except cause division, which they tried to capitalise on. Distraction tactics, populist BS, demagoguery, the world is getting dumber if it keeps falling for this.
British people constantly ignore the impact of political commercials in America because such advertising is not allowed in the UK. If a plausible lie is repeated often enough in these, it is believed. That was the strategy of the Republican Party and it worked.
The main thing to understanding the US election information space is just to look at Brexit. The lies of the NHS bus are the single clearest example, but the whole framing and targeting of the pro-BREXIT campaign and pro-Trump campaigns are identical in structure. What amazes me is how profoundly similar the US and UK electorate is about how they view most things, and how when there is a weird outcome, each says "I cannot understand how they would do something so dumb!" 🤣🤣
When you listened to Trump speaking he would spout a lie & saying it at least 3 times it would become his “truth” & eventually his followers were repeating the same BS when interviewed at his rallies. Like Biden causing the hurricanes because he was controlling the weather🤣
Until the working class snap out of this cycle of manipulation on cultural issues, the two corporate-backed parties will continue to dominate, the rich will get richer, and the people will suffer the wrath of the military industrial complex, oil companies, and pharmaceutical companies.
I don’t think it’s for the working class to snap out of it - they keep sending a message that the Democrats are ignoring. They need to stop sneering at people and instead start meeting them where they are. It’s possible to run on a pro-worker agenda, that isn’t hateful or vitriolic like Trump, but also isn’t AOC or Bernie socialism. It’s going to require the Democrats to actually put forward a charismatic, contrarian leader who actually looks and sounds like the people they claim to represent
@@sulljoh1 more like a general ignorance about how the economy works has been our downfall for decades. No ability to understand long-term impacts versus short term effects.
No it's pure denial about how the corporations keep prices up artificially for profit and a complete lack of understanding of how the economy and even capitalism works
I don't think there is any limit. If Trump perceives self-interest, there is no limit to the depths to which he will descend. All he needed was the opportunity and the contemptible American electorate gave it to him.
You should not call large groups of people "contemptible". That is very dehumanising. Its a very "neo-liberal" thing to do, lumping huge populations of people together and saying they should all think and do the same thing. Its one of the main things I disliked about the American Democrat party, the attempt to divide people into groups "all Latinos think this, all Black men think that". Those days are over, people see that its wrong now
My expectations are low. If we can avoid nuclear Armageddon over the next four years, I’ll consider that a success. Ps- if Trump had been the incumbent running on a currently record high stock market, ~2% inflation, low unemployment, investment in infrastructure (remember Trump’s never fulfilled infrastructure week?) growth in US manufacturing jobs, gas at ~$3.20 per gallon (half what it costs in the UK) he’d have been bragging about it like crazy. Democrats didn’t communicate well. He controlled the messaging. That, and the fact there’s too much racism and misogyny in the country, cost Democrats the election.
Donnie can lie about anything and the US would vote him in anyway, my country is a joke and has been for decades. Sorry we F the rest of the world though.
America is gone, nuclear is possible but even short of that everything we know is going to be be dismantled and warped into absolute insanity and cruelty.
There's some interesting books on it, but it often boils down to desperately wanting the respect of their peers (other billionaires), equating self-worth with money, lack of meaningful connections in their lives that aren't based around money. Basically, a lot of them are very lonely people who have substituted meaningful relationships for financial ones and they become unable to find value in anything but more money. It'd be easy to feel sorry for someone like Elon Musk if he wasn't so repulsive. He's a tragically damaged person.
A little something I like to call "smaugianism." A gold hoarding dragon can never get enough gold. Once smaugianism sets in, there's nothing that's going to stop it. It's a hoarding instinct as well as a thirst for power. Capitalism is an appeal to all our worst impulses. It's the opposite of sharing. It rewards the absence of caring. It's an obscene pairing.
Harris was a bad pick. Why was she chosen for VP in the first place? She wasn't popular in her job then even! Democrats focus on identity issues and it has cost them in the real world
I don't think given the current nature of the economic model and education we have around how we must always strive to work harder to then get more stuff that'll ever happen. Under this system we'll always be chasing the dream or idea of "more"
@@gorangidlof4114 yes they’ll regret it but here in the uk we’re about to be taught a lesson by Russia .. and with the USA not on side anymore I don’t think we’re gonna fair up well.
Trump never spoke specifically about people's personal finances or what/how he would improve them. Telling people that bacon is too expensive is NOT articulating a plan that will sell them.
The US economy is strong but the cost of housing has risen sharply along with medical insurance. Those two are big outgoings, particularly for the young. One of the first things Trump will do is bring about a reduction in the oil price as that quickly ripples through the whole economy by lowering costs. He may not have articulated that himself during the campaign but people around him have been giving interviews the whole time on the business channels like Bloomberg.
@hilarymiseroy I'm sorry but I don't trust that any of these corpos are going to graciously lower their prices for us. This is basically another form of trickle down economics that relies too much on the honor system. How do we ensure that prices will really be dropping?
Economics for the majority are different than economics for the wealthy 10% and yet we all get one vote. The minimum wage is stagnant in a world that has just given billions to the ultra wealthy.
@@therobbieunited Trump printed 3 trillion dollars to give to his rich buddies as a tax cut. 3 trillions is 3 thousand billions. Or 3 million millions. So those billions. The three thousand billions. Didn't hear about it? Know why? You weren't told, and you weren't curious enough to go look.
@@Gravelgratious Just to be clear ,there will be tax cuts ,for everyone and that includes the top 10% of biggest earners,because they pay 65% of all tax revenue,there be a corporation tax cut,just like before which resulted in the biggestest corporations declaring more revenue within the united States instead of tax havens like here in Ireland,under trump revenue from corporation tax was record high every year,let that sink in !
I strongly believe that when left-wing parties begin adopting right-wing talking points as central themes, it only prompts right-wing parties to take even harder stances to distinguish themselves from what they continue to dismiss as overly lenient leftist policies, and crank up the fearmongering. This shift risks pulling many voters along in an overall rightward drift.
Kind of what has happened with the immigration topic in the US, the dems have pretty much adopted a staunch conservative position on the border as republicans have gone full neo
The Americans were going to vote like this no matter what. They are a lost cause. This is what who 50 percent or so of their country represents. Not all Americans are sane, basically educated, unselfish or compassionate enough. As a Canadian, we have met many Americans, and we wouldn't want the majority of them in our country for obvious reasons. We privately fear this.
Americans have always worshipped success and money. Trump and (worse to come) are the ultimate result of that. American isolationsim is here and it will benefit them - in the short-term
I wouldn't throw stones when you have that utter buffoon Justin Trudeau in power! Look at your own ship before it sinks. Still the river of liberal tears over this is sweet!
Imagine being completely oblivious to the fact that material conditions for people are BAD and have been BAD for decades. Imagine not understanding that the system itself is the problem. Not just in America, but in most European countries as well. Imagine being that clueless and now having to come up with frantic explanations like not being able to talk about grooming gangs for why we're in that situation right now.
@@manco828 true. but that often doesnt help the 99%. we need to move on from how well economy is doing as the way we measure a country. companies were making record profits last year and they dont pass it on to anyone but their shareholders. (not defending trump here, it will only get worse for the 99%)
I saw an interview with a Trump supporter earlier and he complained about how badly he was doing. He then drove off in his 2023 Audi A5. The best selling car in the USA is the Ford F series. A very expensive car compared to the best selling cars in most countries. I think Americans maybe don't understand what struggling is
I have never yet heard anybody on the right say “Do you know, I hadn’t realised that. I’ve got it wrong.” There is no debate with them. They are not going to change an opinion no matter the weight of evidence to the contrary.
Have you ever spoken to someone on the right and thought YOU had got it wrong and changed your opinion though? As the saying goes "the truth is somewhere in the middle".
But why did they get it wrong? This result is great for America and bad for other countires. Trump has been in power before. Nothing bad happened. He didn;'t even build a wall - just extended the border fence a bit. Economy was great
I wish the host would listen more to his caller... It became unbearable for me to listen to at about the five minute mark. I'm aware I've possibly missed out on a resolution by clicking out prematurely. I may come back after stepping away for a few minutes. What's frustrating is how the host is such an unwitting representation of the problem he's attempting to examine. It's true that some people will scapegoat immigrants in a self-centered or bigoted way but, even those who are inclined to feel positively towards immigrants have their limits. "Losing the only wedding venue in your town? Get over it!" he says. Just like here in the states where people were told to get over losing things like their community centers and access to food pantries. Yes, sometimes it's as frivolous as not being able to go to your favorite restaurant anymore because a government contract for providing catered meals is more lucrative. But when these so-called minor, superficial things are the bedrock of your community, you feel it. Is it the fault of the immigrants? No. It's the fault of the politicians who put the burden on poor and lower-middle class communities with already limited resources. They're certainly not going to figure out how to house them in affluent communities. So what's left? What recourse do people have? If you can't trust your politicians to balance and fairly distribute the load, inevitably the focus turns to stemming the tide of demand on community resources.
The problem is that the losing of the venue has nothing to do with immigration, and everything to do with a decade and a half of austerity from the people that have pointed at immigrants and blamed them for everyone being worse off now. Losing welfare centres? Due to tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, reducing funding for working people. You have it right in that you can't trust certain politicians to fund things fairly. They are the ones pointing at the immigrants. But people don't want to hear that, so what can you do?
Yes and no. I've entered many conversations about whatever topics 'right wingers' feel are the major concerns, and many times disagreed and tried to give a respectful and factual account or evidence for why they are either incorrect, partially correct but here is the answer as I see it or whatever, but apart from a few times where I have been engaged with at a respectful level, it far more often than not has descended in to 'Leftie' this that and the other, you communist or Woke whatever, or that I need to get a life and cry some more. Occasionally where I have actually got irritated enough with such responses they then flip it to exactly what this caller has said, that I am being arrogant, am being condescending or somehow acting superior and not taking their concerns on (but basically not agreeing with them) and that I should stop being a paid bot or whatever. My usual response then is to try to re-assert my point but framed in a new way but the responses then are something like, 'see, you are being condescending again'. I'm just there scratching my head thinking 'dude, I have just answered your exact question directly, and given stats etc but too many simply just don't see it that way. I don't have enough life to give to try to give measured and concise points that aren't being listened to or ever acknowledged respectfully. But when faced with many one liner responses that say 'get a life' or 'why don't you take that to the WEF or Soros' or something I'm not quite sure where you go with that.... and sadly yes my positon does struggle to 'not' evolve to think that (at that point) that some of the people I have conversed with are thick and mince. Apologies for any upset this may cause....
Nobody should be upset about what you said. The truth is fact based not feelings based. There's no such thing as "my truth"- that's opinion. Something is either true or false, and to quote someone a lot of right wingers like "facts don't care about your feelings"
This is the product of decades of grooming by AM radio hosts and Murdoch news media that has convinced a specific demographic that they are entitled and superior and the only producers and any lack they perceive in life is because someone or something else is taking from them. Pure feelings. Zero facts.
@@franklingoodwin indeed, and for the few that have engaged they did pose some things that challenged the positon I was taking, the most memorable was one guy who start2d being flippant and dismissive but with a bit of effort we had a decent discussion, he was ex- forces, had a family, was working and doing his best with his partner to build their life. Frankly not much different to myself yet we were vastly different on some key points. I do have to remind myself that we all want the best for our families and communities, I guess the difference is where and how things are implemented that sets us apart maybe...
It's so shocking how low the numbers of the people aged under 30 voted. It's appalling, how can they take living in a democracy for granted!? How can they not appreciate their freedom to vote? I'm stunned at their attitude. The rest of the world is shocked by this and by this generation of young people in the US living in a bubble.
I'm sure that conservative news will gaslight them into believing that all the ludicrous things that happen are actually positive. That's what they've already been doing, always twisting the narrative to say: Republicans = great, Democrats = bad.
James you need to listen more and talk less when someone is speaking let them finish their sentence. before interjecting it's called a conversation, This is the problem a lot of people feel they are not listened to, they feel their opinions do not matter, they become frustrated and disengaged and become pawns for the far right.The caller is right you have to have these difficult conversations.
What is it about a guy who's gone bankrupt multiple times, tanked several business ventures, cheated his taxes, and grifted a nation for 8 years speaks to anyone that THIS is the guy to fix the economy?
I watched a programme on TV a few nights ago called “savings lives in Cardiff” & this was based in the university hospital of Wales where they took a number of examples of life saving operations being performed on patients. One thing I did take note of was that 80/90% of the doctors & surgeons performing this wonderful work were immigrants & how would we ever manage without them & their training & expertise
James, the stock market is at record highs, but I and many others can't afford ground beef at the grocery store. It has become a delicacy. We don't care how fantastic the wealthy are doing.
Spot on. If you are wealthy then your investments are doing great, if you are normal then you can't afford fresh salmon anymore. I mostly eat potatoes now and having ground coffee in a cafetiere is a distant memory...
@doggieclaude generally speaking, inflation upon inflated prices, I think it's safe to say, over the past 4 to five years has doubled the cost of most of the food I eat. I was already on food stamps before this started.
The stock market is booming because of record wealth. Record wealth comes from record profit. Record profit comes from making more than you spend to make it. Prices at the store are high because those companies have decided they could be. Those prices will not go back down. That is where inflation comes from.
And you think Donald Trump and Elon Musk, two of the wealthiest men on the planet, can relate to your problems more than the Democrats who stand on picket lines and fight for workers rights? You're smoking some seriously strong stuff to reach that conclusion. Lunacy.
If james would let the caller speak for at least a couple of sentences before interjecting, he might actually see and realise what real concerns sounds like, but instead he keeps cutting him off before he can really get into the meat and bones of it... and we all know why, James wants to bury his head in the sand and pretend they are not real issues that people have to deal with. Shame on you
He simply can't accept what is, in effect, the TRUTH, far too busy virtue signalling all the time. He's angry that all his previous beliefs came to nothing, and that he's been backing the wrong horse.
@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 exactly, the extent of the lies he has to go through. He's facilitating these gangs by covering it up. It's actually very evil
@@Norman-j7m It kinda started then. Reagan and Thatcher took the world in a completely new direction, and all the positives of the past were wiped out overnight. Production increased but only the rich got to benefit from it. If we produced things twice as quickly tomorrow, the working class would have the same salaries, but the rich would get substantially richer. This is how capitalism works now. Here's an insane fact: If a CEO does not maximize profits for investors, that CEO can be fired. In fact, if he doesn't maximize profits for investors, he is literally breaking the law. That means that the people who work can not get raises, because that is AGAINST THE LAW... The company can LITERALLY be sued for spending too much on salaries for the workers. This is partly why corporations just fire thousands of people now and again, it is to make sure the people at the top and the investors get more money. It didn't use to be like this, Reagan and Thatcher made this happen. It's absolute insanity. There's a reason people who got a home in the 70s paid it down in 5 years, whereas people in the 80s had their homes reclaimed in the 90s once the hard times kicked in. And today, no one even buys homes cause they don't have the money... And the employers are literally prohibited BY LAW from giving them higher wages. Not that they would give them higher wages anyways, but even if they wanted to, they would not be able to.
As much as I agree with James on a lot of things he's just proven the callers point by butting in and putting words in his mouth before he has a chance to actually explain what he's trying to say, he comes across overly defensive in this, almost schoolyard "no you" kind of attitude.
@@straightouttacornwall O'Brien says he has spent years arguing with people who dont follow the liberal line yet oddly he does not seem to have made the slightest difference. For someone who is so correct about everything, one would think the outcomes would be better.
I love listening to James but in this conversation I wish he had let the caller talk a bit more without interruption. I was interested in what he had to say.
Same here. I think it's an unfortunate trait when he will hardly let someone he basically agrees with, complete a single complete thought on a complex subject.
Bravo... i used to follow JoB and enjoyed his chats.. but omg he's become SO out of touch these last months. It actually takes effort to be as out of touch with the everyday man as he is of late.
Why can’t people here just accept the result of a democratic vote ? It’s not like a few people voted for him, well over 70 million did. It’s the same as Brexit here, more people voted for it than not, you might not like it but accept it.
see that's the fundamental difference. we have accepted it -- we wouldn't be talking about the concrete risks otherwise. their sports team is the one who stormed the capital and cried about "stop the steal!" when they lost.
James needs to stop talking and listen to him for a moment, he's missing the callers entire point. You can't listen to someone saying "these people aren't listening, they believe this..." and just say "nah I don't know who you're talking to but this is the facts". These. People. Aren't. Listening. To. Facts.
9% inflation sending billions to Ukraine and Israel. While the roads are crumbling and a shortage of affordable housing.. what in the world is james talking about?
@@mckenzie.latham91 What do you mean? JOB thinks its FINE that the Government outbids the locals on the Hotel & Wedding Venue (using tax payer money)... and then fills it up with illegals. If a rich guy started buying up properties in a little rural village - pricing the locals out of their OWN community.... JOB would have enough to say. But when the government does it - and displaces a valued local service to the community - he thinks that ok, because it went to the highest bidder.
@@Marko-wi1lb oh go blow sand mate Notice how everytime James does intercede the other guy and tells him how his excuses don't hold water and why Or w How when he has told and confronted people with the fact that their beliefs and feelings on the issues are either wrong or not backed by facts He pivots to another point that also comes back to "what people feel" The entire conversation proves James right.
The politics of fear are very hard to answer or even question. About the only thing that can counteract it is being aware when the other person is using your fears simply to manipulate you and most people dont like being manipulated.
The only way to cut through the rhetoric that immigration is why you are poorer, is to provide an alternative argument that is more compelling. That being that very wealthy people would rather you think the issue is someone else other than them. The increase in wealth inequality is the main driver for people’s issues. And the fact that 63% of the wealth in this country belongs to the richest 20% of the population, with 0.5% of wealth belong to the poorest 20% is the message that needs to be spread. The narrative needs to change.
Yes this it totally true… if you think that the main issue with the masses on immigration is that “it’s making them poorer…” It’s not so much about the money as it is about Safety and protection of your fellow citizens.
@@trialerlads8292 I hear you on the importance of safety and security, and I agree that it’s a valid concern. However, I think it’s worth questioning whether immigration is truly the main driver of safety issues, or if that’s just another narrative being pushed to distract from deeper systemic problems. Often, issues like underfunded public services, inadequate housing, and strained resources are blamed on immigration, but they’re actually rooted in policy decisions and economic priorities that don’t benefit the majority. By focusing on these systemic drivers of inequality, we might find solutions that improve safety and quality of life for everyone, without scapegoating others who are also trying to build a better life.
Unemployment numbers, inflation, and growth aren’t factors that show how well the working class is doing. The working class in America is absolutely suffering. I live in America btw.
@@MrFoggy13So a trade war and musks intentional wrecking of the economy will lead to prosperity? 😂😂😂😂😂. Have a look at the people behind Vance. Thiel and Yarvin for example, then tell me they think about the average citizen.
I mean, you have to somehow. Even if the rationale was "they’re a country of morons", you still need one. Otherwise you’re operating under a system in which "things just happen" and then, well, gambling addicts wouldn’t need to go to the slots, would they.
@@charlietownsend2826 Its just Trump he has a magic hypnosis over 70 million people. He set a violent mob on the capital in an attempt to steal the election and all 70 million just went "nah". It was there on live TV everyone could see, "nah" gonna vote for him anyway. Kamala said a couple of not perfect answers and they are disgusted by her very presence.
@@charlietownsend2826 "they’re a country of morons" That is not entirely accurate, we a country with morons and in this election revealing 1/2 are made of that description. The other really tried to give there country and world better. We failed
Yeah the idea of taxing imports to get people to buy American products is such a crazy idea isn't it, or actually tackling the Ukraine crisis instead of pumping endless amounts of cash into a bottomless pit 🤔 crazy ideas. We should just carry on like sheep doing the same
There are 10,000 reasons why Trump defeated Kamala. This discussion has touched on some of these reasons, but nailing it down to one bullet point is impossible. Racism, and sexism play a part. Economic messaging plays a part. Voter ignorance, virtue signalling, and identity politics play a part. Pleasing the donor class, while abandoning constituencies plays a role. Non specific policy positions, voter shaming, and civic responsibility all play a part. Primary annointing instead of contentious choice of candidates, and complete capture of government by corporate lobbies are all plaguing our elections. All that said, the candidate personally, her advisors, surrogates and lobbyists are all to blame.
People like James are so fixed that they do not realise that their fixedness is making the problem worse. Everyone else is wrong, you see, and objectively so.
The problem is what do you want us to listen to? You hold to views that are demonstrably false, its pointed out to you that they are false, but you choose to continue to believe it, and still want to be taken seriously and listened to. Isn't that madness?
It shows a very poor understanding of human psychology and behaviour on the liberals part. Most people just like confirmation and assurance. Humans are far from entirely rational beings and what Trump and co do so well is play on that side of human nature.
@@ws1-p9u People like you say that but cannot dispute the factuality of the evidence he presents which shows your opinions to be wrong. Its when the subject is interrogated at this level that you either fall apart or slink off into the shadows as we regularly see on his show. Things arent true simply because you feel one way.
This caller genuinely believes that he has profound knowledge and does a great job of arguing his side of the case, but all it does is show that HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL REASONS WHY PEOPLE ARE UPSET IN THE UK OR IN THE US
Bridging hotels 100% made more money from doing just that. The hotels get to stay at FULL CAPACITY offering FULL BOARD with payments guaranteed, it's pretty simple to understand. My partner was a hotel manager at a hotel that went through this whole process. She's done some great work with our Afghan friends that is something to be very proud of! We owed them this and they are paying us back by being net contributors to the economy.
Hilarious actually that the caller even pointed out how this conversation would go down with the public but James's still didn't get the less than subtle mention.
He’ll continue to interrupt people he doesn’t agree with, he can’t help it. However, at least he allowed Tony Blair to speak without mentioning WMD. Nice one Jim.
"He needs to stop interrupting callers when they say something wrong, and just let them spout nonsense unchallenged. Because I agree with the nonsense and I cannot argue against James points" This is what you sound like. Grow up.
At last someone clearly more intelligent than O'Brien telling it like it is. By the way, typed into Google, "James OBrien on grooming gangs", found one result. O'Brien says he's been on about it since 2010
What surprises me is how all the so-called experts missed Trump’s win on the horizon. So many of us saw this coming, yet they were completely blindsided! So out of touch with what real people are thinking and feeling !
@@alansmith4748 he's a clever guy. But over the years its become obvious that the average person isn't paying attention to political discussion and certainly won't be won over by being proved an idiot. It's like there's a car that's not fast enough and the progressives are only concerned with the tyres.
So the guy from South Wales, who knows much more about the aforementioned hotel he was talking about and was just giving an example of what had happened there, gets told he is wrong because.... O'Brien says so? This is the same guy who got Southport, Kabba and Trump wrong all in the space of a few days. Rough week for you, James.
Come on james its not that hard to understand. People dont want a migrant centre in their town, its only a legitimate business decision for the owner because the government has made it so, so people are angry at the government more than the owner
Except for those millions who got jobs. Even if prices are high, nobody is starving, and many are off the welfare rolls. Isn't that what the right wants?
The immigrant hotel issue comes down to locals afraid of being attacked by those living in it as they may not understand the British culture or iust be dangerous people. Also the major problem i see with us lefties is that most don't come from working class communities and so don't understand the issues of living in areas with a high numbers of immigrants yet believe theyre right based on their superior education and knowledge of statistics.
What a breath of fresh air this caller is. James is disingenuous, lying and wrong more than once in this cip. And rather than having the conversation with a nervous caller way oit of their depth with a professional baiter. He should get Douglas Murray or someone of his ilk on. He wouldnt dare because he knows someone of that caliber would show him for the far left activist he is.
Americans expect far better economy than we have. Having a better economy than Europe in US is not consdered important and is taken for granted. No one in US cares about comparing the economy to Europe's. What they DO care about is if they are making ends meet in their household and its been a struggle. It is true that inflation has slowed down, but wages never caught up with the increase in costs. And having a Dem politician tell you that you are wrong and that you are doing fine just breeds anger and contempt.
The biggest issue in the world is people have all of a sudden decided their beliefs override truth no matter how ridiculous or unfounded.
THIS
All of a sudden!? Baseless beliefs have been held by people for far longer than we can ascertain, as we delve into prehistoric times. Last time I checked, there hasn't been any time when people somehow ceased to form and hold baseless beliefs. For all we know, they might as well all be caused by faults intrinsic to human cognition.
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If a Politician claims
▪︎To be Christian/Jewish
▪︎Yet supports Usury/Interest Banking
▪︎Real or Fake?
well said
@@lucofparis4819 There is a big difference between a few nutcases thinking something nasty versus a massive chunk of the population genuinely wanting to check themselves out and not have to be bothered by existential threats though that are smashing at the gate, though.
Elon Musk bought Twitter for a reason
on c19 alone what he did after buying twitter - allowing dissenters to speak (vs cancelling them for "spreading dangerous misinformation") - was a gift to us all.
Free speech baby
@@bb5979 (Unless it's against him)
@@7QHook Musk has banned accounts of left week commentators without reason or notice. lol. He's quite the hypocrite on "free speech".
@@7QHookit’s called free speech. It’s about everyone having the ability to say what they like. If you don’t like or agree you don’t have to listen. Fragile feelings now are becoming more and more common.
It is far easier to con a person than to convince a person they've been conned.
"The trouble ain’t that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain’t distributed right." -- Mark Twain.
Con Americans once, shame on the charlatan
Con Americans twice, shame on them
You guys get conned by JOBsworth everyday.
You don't even know what a woman is.
@@PLl-jr8xi and yet all of the social support mechanisms that used to be there to support people for fourty years have slowly been taken away, but yeah it's the idlers tearing apart the social fabric or the disabled, grow up.
Most people don’t respond to truth or facts, they respond to the skillful manipulation of emotion
Ha yeah I've just said the same thing in a comment further up.
Or not so skillful, in Donnie's case.
@@Poemi10304 Skillful enough still that neither the Dems establishment nor the bulk of legacy and new corporate media types could find a way to break the populist rhetoric down for the drivel it really is.
Yes, hence the left.
@@1Mutton1 It is a FACT that the left aligns with science, facts, reality, all that stuff. It has been studied exhaustively, there is no contest.
James, let the man speak. We _know_ what you think, let us hear what the caller has to say. I understand your unbridled enthusiasm to talk over and interrupt people who are clearly talking nonsense, but when you get someone on the line that is being moderately reasonable, please, have the sense and humility to let them talk without interjecting every fourth word.
You talk about the necessity to "have conversations" and I agree with that, but _how_ do you have a conversation with someone who isn't listening because they're too busy interrupting and, dare I say it, pontificating?
Exactly, the poor bloke was making salient points about the grooming gangs which he made perfectly when James shut up and let him talk about how smashing the gangs rhetoric doesn't match deportation rhetoric for the average person. It's a very astute observation.
Almost seems like James was trying to obfuscate the point about having tough conversations when the evidence seems to support some right wing concerns...
Basically this whole conversation is a prime example of why the “left” will never get it. The minute one brings up a difficult topic from the right another shuts them down before the point can be made. Extremely frustrating.
Calm down mate 😂😂😂
The problem is chiefly to do with countering illogical propaganda. Immigration has been a factor for thousands of years, we’ve a well linked global community now, while the 21st century sees more and more people using this factor, and people’s fear of the unknown, to gain political traction, by trying to shut down borders to a level that’s simply not possible or sustainable if you have sold off all your country’s assets. Unless you establish your country as self sufficient, in parallel with other countries agreeing and pursuing the same aim, with localised circular economies, you’re always going to have populists blaming others in hard times. The tories simultaneously Brexited to try and gain their precious sovereignty, with the control of borders and tightening the choice of destinations in terms of trading, promoting isolationism, while paradoxically suggesting becoming more open to broader global trade. The latter happened if queried about xenophobia. They skewed immigration so it shifted from more transient EU citizens to people from other parts of the world. They also generated an issue with small boats, that barely existed before, then shifted to BlueKip style culture wars, with ludicrously flawed faux solutions, that didn’t resolve anything and did nothing except cause division, which they tried to capitalise on. Distraction tactics, populist BS, demagoguery, the world is getting dumber if it keeps falling for this.
British people constantly ignore the impact of political commercials in America because such advertising is not allowed in the UK. If a plausible lie is repeated often enough in these, it is believed. That was the strategy of the Republican Party and it worked.
The main thing to understanding the US election information space is just to look at Brexit. The lies of the NHS bus are the single clearest example, but the whole framing and targeting of the pro-BREXIT campaign and pro-Trump campaigns are identical in structure. What amazes me is how profoundly similar the US and UK electorate is about how they view most things, and how when there is a weird outcome, each says "I cannot understand how they would do something so dumb!" 🤣🤣
Even Goebbels was aware of this and used it to implant nsdap-beliefs into the heads of formerly sceptics
When you listened to Trump speaking he would spout a lie & saying it at least 3 times it would become his “truth” & eventually his followers were repeating the same BS when interviewed at his rallies. Like Biden causing the hurricanes because he was controlling the weather🤣
All I’ve seen is the democrats lies
Very disingenuous of you to not end the comment with" both sides do it". Cos the sheer number of lies from the dems about trump is insane
Until the working class snap out of this cycle of manipulation on cultural issues, the two corporate-backed parties will continue to dominate, the rich will get richer, and the people will suffer the wrath of the military industrial complex, oil companies, and pharmaceutical companies.
People need to boycott companies that are part of Blackrock and Vanguard.
The working class is deliberately being kept uneducated.
Na mate they will call you a conspiracy theorist because you think for yourself
I don’t think it’s for the working class to snap out of it - they keep sending a message that the Democrats are ignoring. They need to stop sneering at people and instead start meeting them where they are. It’s possible to run on a pro-worker agenda, that isn’t hateful or vitriolic like Trump, but also isn’t AOC or Bernie socialism. It’s going to require the Democrats to actually put forward a charismatic, contrarian leader who actually looks and sounds like the people they claim to represent
So what anyone anti middle class leftist got my attention
Amnesia about the economic impact of the mishandling of COVID.
Americans don't know there is a world outside where inflation also happened
United States of Amnesia
@@sulljoh1 more like a general ignorance about how the economy works has been our downfall for decades. No ability to understand long-term impacts versus short term effects.
Absolutely bang on...
No it's pure denial about how the corporations keep prices up artificially for profit and a complete lack of understanding of how the economy and even capitalism works
James interrupting a caller he agrees with - he can't help himself 😅
This… let him finish a sentence
This… let him finish a sentence
It almost hurt, especially because alot of the interruptions reinforced the point the caller was trying to make.
just as i listened to him doing it.........stopped tuning in......only here to see his breakdown after trump win
@@trudgin62 He let him finish plenty of sentences, he interupts when the brain farts start.
I don't think there is any limit. If Trump perceives self-interest, there is no limit to the depths to which he will descend. All he needed was the opportunity and the contemptible American electorate gave it to him.
cry harder
You should not call large groups of people "contemptible". That is very dehumanising. Its a very "neo-liberal" thing to do, lumping huge populations of people together and saying they should all think and do the same thing. Its one of the main things I disliked about the American Democrat party, the attempt to divide people into groups "all Latinos think this, all Black men think that". Those days are over, people see that its wrong now
@@kostyatszyu
With what’s coming I think you’ll be crying soon also… if you have kids you should be very worried
How middle class and tame
@@kostyatszyu Crying with laughter....
My expectations are low. If we can avoid nuclear Armageddon over the next four years, I’ll consider that a success.
Ps- if Trump had been the incumbent running on a currently record high stock market, ~2% inflation, low unemployment, investment in infrastructure (remember Trump’s never fulfilled infrastructure week?) growth in US manufacturing jobs, gas at ~$3.20 per gallon (half what it costs in the UK) he’d have been bragging about it like crazy. Democrats didn’t communicate well. He controlled the messaging. That, and the fact there’s too much racism and misogyny in the country, cost Democrats the election.
Tip: Armageddon is WAY WAY OFF...
@@El_ParacletoTBD
Donnie can lie about anything and the US would vote him in anyway, my country is a joke and has been for decades. Sorry we F the rest of the world though.
Well said Sir.
America is gone, nuclear is possible but even short of that everything we know is going to be be dismantled and warped into absolute insanity and cruelty.
Why do billionaires need MORE money????
They’re working for a trophy that says “Congratulations! You won capitalism!”
There's some interesting books on it, but it often boils down to desperately wanting the respect of their peers (other billionaires), equating self-worth with money, lack of meaningful connections in their lives that aren't based around money.
Basically, a lot of them are very lonely people who have substituted meaningful relationships for financial ones and they become unable to find value in anything but more money. It'd be easy to feel sorry for someone like Elon Musk if he wasn't so repulsive. He's a tragically damaged person.
Why do broke losers hate billionaires?
A little something I like to call "smaugianism."
A gold hoarding dragon can never get enough gold. Once smaugianism sets in, there's nothing that's going to stop it. It's a hoarding instinct as well as a thirst for power.
Capitalism is an appeal to all our worst impulses. It's the opposite of sharing. It rewards the absence of caring. It's an obscene pairing.
greed.
How many voters are logical and rational. In reality very few are !
Harris was a bad pick. Why was she chosen for VP in the first place? She wasn't popular in her job then even! Democrats focus on identity issues and it has cost them in the real world
Can't be that bad. Trump got back in.
@@JAWS-qj1rj That's evidence of OP's point. 99% of Trump voters do not do so for rational reasons.
We got 4 years of Biden. I agree with you
Most likely including you, and most lefties!!
This is more nuanced and in depth than anything I’ve seen from American media. Bravo
No nuance, billionaire won. No craziest thing in usa history covid. Billionaire won
@@xavierb9061 No, THIS. This discussion
I hope one day we get a world where the economy doesn't matter so much, because everyone will always have a high standard of living
Nice thought but deluded 😊
I don't think given the current nature of the economic model and education we have around how we must always strive to work harder to then get more stuff that'll ever happen. Under this system we'll always be chasing the dream or idea of "more"
Something like socialism on steroids.
But how would you then measure your standard of living if nobody is below you?
@@geraldthomas9281 Nah. Just free food, water, and shelter. Everything else would be the same.
America will regret what they voted for...
@@gorangidlof4114 yes they’ll regret it but here in the uk we’re about to be taught a lesson by Russia .. and with the USA not on side anymore I don’t think we’re gonna fair up well.
You mean like the UK with labour. The UK needs a Donald Trump.
Yep my country just destroyed itself.
@@thegameisriggednwo1099no ones needs a felon. Stop being a cultist. Snap out it.
@@thegameisriggednwo1099Agreed - the UK is a toilet under the left
The following words precede lies: All, None, Always and Never.
And don't forget Trump's favourites nobody and everyone
None of what you said is True.
@Marko-wi1lb Aw, that's cute.
Trump never spoke specifically about people's personal finances or what/how he would improve them. Telling people that bacon is too expensive is NOT articulating a plan that will sell them.
Yeah and that's the kind of goldfish brain promises that work on people apparently, kind of sad how low the bar is
I think you're being very harsh on Trump. I'm sure he has a "concept of a plan".
I was so looking forward to becoming unburdened by what has been.
The US economy is strong but the cost of housing has risen sharply along with medical insurance. Those two are big outgoings, particularly for the young. One of the first things Trump will do is bring about a reduction in the oil price as that quickly ripples through the whole economy by lowering costs. He may not have articulated that himself during the campaign but people around him have been giving interviews the whole time on the business channels like Bloomberg.
@hilarymiseroy I'm sorry but I don't trust that any of these corpos are going to graciously lower their prices for us. This is basically another form of trickle down economics that relies too much on the honor system. How do we ensure that prices will really be dropping?
Economics for the majority are different than economics for the wealthy 10% and yet we all get one vote.
The minimum wage is stagnant in a world that has just given billions to the ultra wealthy.
What billions ?
I thought Trump was ultra wealthy?
@@therobbieunited Trump printed 3 trillion dollars to give to his rich buddies as a tax cut. 3 trillions is 3 thousand billions. Or 3 million millions.
So those billions. The three thousand billions.
Didn't hear about it? Know why? You weren't told, and you weren't curious enough to go look.
@@therobbieunitedpay attention
@@Gravelgratious Just to be clear ,there will be tax cuts ,for everyone and that includes the top 10% of biggest earners,because they pay 65% of all tax revenue,there be a corporation tax cut,just like before which resulted in the biggestest corporations declaring more revenue within the united States instead of tax havens like here in Ireland,under trump revenue from corporation tax was record high every year,let that sink in !
I strongly believe that when left-wing parties begin adopting right-wing talking points as central themes, it only prompts right-wing parties to take even harder stances to distinguish themselves from what they continue to dismiss as overly lenient leftist policies, and crank up the fearmongering. This shift risks pulling many voters along in an overall rightward drift.
Oh dear, that would be just awful.
This really has been the case all the way since the demise of Carter and Labour at the end of the 1970's.
@guyvanooteghem8531: Or if Labour and conservative become virtually indistinguishable people have to find something else to vote for.
Hopefully we do move things right back to normal
Kind of what has happened with the immigration topic in the US, the dems have pretty much adopted a staunch conservative position on the border as republicans have gone full neo
'How do we make the truth more palatable than the lies?'..... therein lies the core problem.
No the core problem is first proving the truth is actually the truth.
@Lifelongloser lies are far easier to prove. No?
@@Lifelongloser
The truth was on display every day. MAGA chose to ignore it
Stop the crying
@@darrylscott6648
Whose crying? We're trying to figure out why you're gullible enough to believe Trump's lies.
The Americans were going to vote like this no matter what. They are a lost cause. This is what who 50 percent or so of their country represents. Not all Americans are sane, basically educated, unselfish or compassionate enough. As a Canadian, we have met many Americans, and we wouldn't want the majority of them in our country for obvious reasons. We privately fear this.
As an American, this is spot on.
Americans have always worshipped success and money. Trump and (worse to come) are the ultimate result of that. American isolationsim is here and it will benefit them - in the short-term
I wouldn't throw stones when you have that utter buffoon Justin Trudeau in power! Look at your own ship before it sinks.
Still the river of liberal tears over this is sweet!
Canada's going the exact same way.
Wow, how condescending are you? Not all Americans, blah blah blah! and 'as a Canadian', as if you speak for all Canadians!
Imagine being completely oblivious to the fact that material conditions for people are BAD and have been BAD for decades. Imagine not understanding that the system itself is the problem. Not just in America, but in most European countries as well. Imagine being that clueless and now having to come up with frantic explanations like not being able to talk about grooming gangs for why we're in that situation right now.
The economy is roaring.
@@manco828 true. but that often doesnt help the 99%. we need to move on from how well economy is doing as the way we measure a country. companies were making record profits last year and they dont pass it on to anyone but their shareholders. (not defending trump here, it will only get worse for the 99%)
@@kanedNunable It's all Fake News and they swallowed it!
notice not one economic data point. Heres one, real wages have gone up. Ok your turn "dURh I dOn T KnoW uHHH tRaNs WomEn iN mALe sPORTS DuHhH"
I saw an interview with a Trump supporter earlier and he complained about how badly he was doing. He then drove off in his 2023 Audi A5. The best selling car in the USA is the Ford F series. A very expensive car compared to the best selling cars in most countries. I think Americans maybe don't understand what struggling is
I have never yet heard anybody on the right say “Do you know, I hadn’t realised that. I’ve got it wrong.” There is no debate with them. They are not going to change an opinion no matter the weight of evidence to the contrary.
So you are basing a belief on your own personal experience.
@@Lifelongloser
You just proved his point.
Have you ever spoken to someone on the right and thought YOU had got it wrong and changed your opinion though? As the saying goes "the truth is somewhere in the middle".
@@venturoboythat’s the case with an opinion, not facts. They argue facts are wrong, or lies.
But why did they get it wrong? This result is great for America and bad for other countires. Trump has been in power before. Nothing bad happened. He didn;'t even build a wall - just extended the border fence a bit. Economy was great
This caller needs his own podcast... Make so much more sense, open mind and objective compared to James.
The US economy is doing well but not all Americans are doing well in the economy due to the greed of corporations.
They are poorer because of inflation caused by increased energy prices and massive quantitive easing during Covid
@@crustywinnets263 A large part was also due to corporate greed, but you can keep your head in the sand.
@ You do know the majority of corporate profits go to assets managers (pension funds) you are likely benefitting from this greed
@@crustywinnets263in the United States we don't get pensions
due to the greed inherent in capitalism*
I wish the host would listen more to his caller... It became unbearable for me to listen to at about the five minute mark. I'm aware I've possibly missed out on a resolution by clicking out prematurely. I may come back after stepping away for a few minutes. What's frustrating is how the host is such an unwitting representation of the problem he's attempting to examine. It's true that some people will scapegoat immigrants in a self-centered or bigoted way but, even those who are inclined to feel positively towards immigrants have their limits. "Losing the only wedding venue in your town? Get over it!" he says. Just like here in the states where people were told to get over losing things like their community centers and access to food pantries. Yes, sometimes it's as frivolous as not being able to go to your favorite restaurant anymore because a government contract for providing catered meals is more lucrative. But when these so-called minor, superficial things are the bedrock of your community, you feel it. Is it the fault of the immigrants? No. It's the fault of the politicians who put the burden on poor and lower-middle class communities with already limited resources. They're certainly not going to figure out how to house them in affluent communities. So what's left? What recourse do people have? If you can't trust your politicians to balance and fairly distribute the load, inevitably the focus turns to stemming the tide of demand on community resources.
Exactly! The irony is.... James can't see it in himself.
👏🏼 well said
@@chrish9164his mind isn't capable of seeing it
Migration currently only helps the economy. James did not say 'get over it', he said if you want to blame anyone blame the owner of the wedding venue.
The problem is that the losing of the venue has nothing to do with immigration, and everything to do with a decade and a half of austerity from the people that have pointed at immigrants and blamed them for everyone being worse off now.
Losing welfare centres? Due to tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, reducing funding for working people.
You have it right in that you can't trust certain politicians to fund things fairly. They are the ones pointing at the immigrants. But people don't want to hear that, so what can you do?
As an American, let me tell you what doesnt work: letting the liars set the parameters of the discussion.
Yes and no. I've entered many conversations about whatever topics 'right wingers' feel are the major concerns, and many times disagreed and tried to give a respectful and factual account or evidence for why they are either incorrect, partially correct but here is the answer as I see it or whatever, but apart from a few times where I have been engaged with at a respectful level, it far more often than not has descended in to 'Leftie' this that and the other, you communist or Woke whatever, or that I need to get a life and cry some more.
Occasionally where I have actually got irritated enough with such responses they then flip it to exactly what this caller has said, that I am being arrogant, am being condescending or somehow acting superior and not taking their concerns on (but basically not agreeing with them) and that I should stop being a paid bot or whatever.
My usual response then is to try to re-assert my point but framed in a new way but the responses then are something like, 'see, you are being condescending again'. I'm just there scratching my head thinking 'dude, I have just answered your exact question directly, and given stats etc but too many simply just don't see it that way. I don't have enough life to give to try to give measured and concise points that aren't being listened to or ever acknowledged respectfully.
But when faced with many one liner responses that say 'get a life' or 'why don't you take that to the WEF or Soros' or something I'm not quite sure where you go with that.... and sadly yes my positon does struggle to 'not' evolve to think that (at that point) that some of the people I have conversed with are thick and mince.
Apologies for any upset this may cause....
Nobody should be upset about what you said. The truth is fact based not feelings based. There's no such thing as "my truth"- that's opinion. Something is either true or false, and to quote someone a lot of right wingers like "facts don't care about your feelings"
Very arrogant and condescending!
This is the product of decades of grooming by AM radio hosts and Murdoch news media that has convinced a specific demographic that they are entitled and superior and the only producers and any lack they perceive in life is because someone or something else is taking from them.
Pure feelings. Zero facts.
@@Peter-oe2fe are you saying I am being condescending?
@@franklingoodwin indeed, and for the few that have engaged they did pose some things that challenged the positon I was taking, the most memorable was one guy who start2d being flippant and dismissive but with a bit of effort we had a decent discussion, he was ex- forces, had a family, was working and doing his best with his partner to build their life. Frankly not much different to myself yet we were vastly different on some key points. I do have to remind myself that we all want the best for our families and communities, I guess the difference is where and how things are implemented that sets us apart maybe...
It's so shocking how low the numbers of the people aged under 30 voted. It's appalling, how can they take living in a democracy for granted!? How can they not appreciate their freedom to vote? I'm stunned at their attitude. The rest of the world is shocked by this and by this generation of young people in the US living in a bubble.
Young men had enough of being demonised, so take the view that your enemy's enemy is your friend.
Why vote for people that hate you.
@@AIJimmybad "Why vote for people that hate you?"
Exactly. So why did they vote for the Republicans?
@@AIJimmybadHow are young men demonized? I'm an old lady in Denmark. I have no idea what you're talking about.
I think they were caught in a catch 22. Either a dictator or a Jenna sider.
Education, Education, Education
American conservatives have made their bed, now let them sleep in it.
Problem is, those of us that didn't make that bed have to sleep in it too.
They will.....they will sleep well I'm sure
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If AIPAC influence/interfere
▪︎In USA Politics/Elections
▪︎USA President is picked by
▪︎Americans/USA or AIPAC/Israel?
I'm sure that conservative news will gaslight them into believing that all the ludicrous things that happen are actually positive. That's what they've already been doing, always twisting the narrative to say: Republicans = great, Democrats = bad.
It's looking very comfortable from across the pond.
How many times did he interrupt this guy and talk straight over him? And this is someone he fundamentally agrees with!
Stephen Fry 2015, Canadian interview:
He's a Seuss character, the Trump-alump. Each time people talk about him, he grows in size.
James you need to listen more and talk less when someone is speaking let them finish their sentence. before interjecting it's called a conversation, This is the problem a lot of people feel they are not listened to, they feel their opinions do not matter, they become frustrated and disengaged and become pawns for the far right.The caller is right you have to have these difficult conversations.
What is it about a guy who's gone bankrupt multiple times, tanked several business ventures, cheated his taxes, and grifted a nation for 8 years speaks to anyone that THIS is the guy to fix the economy?
Kamala is now in debt from her campaign, you have zero idea, The economy with the dems was almost in the toilet.
The fact that last time he was in office the economy was the best it's been in 50yrs.
@turbotim129 you mean when the GDP fell by 28% in his second quarter?
I watched a programme on TV a few nights ago called “savings lives in Cardiff” & this was based in the university hospital of Wales where they took a number of examples of life saving operations being performed on patients. One thing I did take note of was that 80/90% of the doctors & surgeons performing this wonderful work were immigrants & how would we ever manage without them & their training & expertise
James, the stock market is at record highs, but I and many others can't afford ground beef at the grocery store. It has become a delicacy.
We don't care how fantastic the wealthy are doing.
Spot on. If you are wealthy then your investments are doing great, if you are normal then you can't afford fresh salmon anymore. I mostly eat potatoes now and having ground coffee in a cafetiere is a distant memory...
so, voting in the party who prioritises the rich over the poor will help how? things always get worse for the poor when conservatives are in charge
@doggieclaude generally speaking, inflation upon inflated prices, I think it's safe to say, over the past 4 to five years has doubled the cost of most of the food I eat. I was already on food stamps before this started.
The stock market is booming because of record wealth. Record wealth comes from record profit. Record profit comes from making more than you spend to make it. Prices at the store are high because those companies have decided they could be. Those prices will not go back down. That is where inflation comes from.
And you think Donald Trump and Elon Musk, two of the wealthiest men on the planet, can relate to your problems more than the Democrats who stand on picket lines and fight for workers rights? You're smoking some seriously strong stuff to reach that conclusion. Lunacy.
The price of food is more important to people in America. Wake up, you fools.
They are the fools.
😂😂😂Trump just announced the first chief of staff. Wow what a misogynistic 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If james would let the caller speak for at least a couple of sentences before interjecting, he might actually see and realise what real concerns sounds like, but instead he keeps cutting him off before he can really get into the meat and bones of it... and we all know why, James wants to bury his head in the sand and pretend they are not real issues that people have to deal with.
Shame on you
He simply can't accept what is, in effect, the TRUTH, far too busy virtue signalling all the time. He's angry that all his previous beliefs came to nothing, and that he's been backing the wrong horse.
@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 exactly, the extent of the lies he has to go through. He's facilitating these gangs by covering it up. It's actually very evil
1980 is when the wealth gap started getting bigger (Trickel down economics)
Definitely 1980 under Reagan
@@Norman-j7m It kinda started then. Reagan and Thatcher took the world in a completely new direction, and all the positives of the past were wiped out overnight. Production increased but only the rich got to benefit from it. If we produced things twice as quickly tomorrow, the working class would have the same salaries, but the rich would get substantially richer.
This is how capitalism works now.
Here's an insane fact: If a CEO does not maximize profits for investors, that CEO can be fired. In fact, if he doesn't maximize profits for investors, he is literally breaking the law.
That means that the people who work can not get raises, because that is AGAINST THE LAW... The company can LITERALLY be sued for spending too much on salaries for the workers.
This is partly why corporations just fire thousands of people now and again, it is to make sure the people at the top and the investors get more money.
It didn't use to be like this, Reagan and Thatcher made this happen. It's absolute insanity.
There's a reason people who got a home in the 70s paid it down in 5 years, whereas people in the 80s had their homes reclaimed in the 90s once the hard times kicked in. And today, no one even buys homes cause they don't have the money... And the employers are literally prohibited BY LAW from giving them higher wages. Not that they would give them higher wages anyways, but even if they wanted to, they would not be able to.
reagan and thatcher brought in neo liberal economics which threw the population under the bus to help big business.
Really? The energy crisis under Carter that shut down rubber factories and steel mills doesn’t ring a bell?
Reagan.
He also initiated the ani-gov't sedition.
And was a union buster: organize wealth and power succeeds against disorganized opposition.
James Obrien what a wan-ker
James O'Brien's mammoth meltdown.............
Great commentary. Thanks as always, for sharing.
You do realize he draws an obscene salary for doing the show right?
This man is doing gods work
As a friend of mine so aptly claims x
John Stewart is the American version of James O’Brien
As much as I agree with James on a lot of things he's just proven the callers point by butting in and putting words in his mouth before he has a chance to actually explain what he's trying to say, he comes across overly defensive in this, almost schoolyard "no you" kind of attitude.
Yes James annoys me. I am left wing but he is blind to so many things. He lives in a left-wing bubble
What are you talking about? Where did he put words in the callers mouth?
@@RobertoLeo3 Hes a bully. Never liked the guy. His way or no way.
@@straightouttacornwall O'Brien says he has spent years arguing with people who dont follow the liberal line yet oddly he does not seem to have made the slightest difference. For someone who is so correct about everything, one would think the outcomes would be better.
@@ericreckless541 that is not how the world works though, and was also not the point he was making
I love listening to James but in this conversation I wish he had let the caller talk a bit more without interruption. I was interested in what he had to say.
Same here. I think it's an unfortunate trait when he will hardly let someone he basically agrees with, complete a single complete thought on a complex subject.
James, please understand.. not everyone wants what you want..
He can't understand that.
James is a millionaire.
But using poor helpless immigrants as scapegoats is factually wrong and completely immoral.
Surely he is happy that we now live in a marxist country.
Bravo... i used to follow JoB and enjoyed his chats.. but omg he's become SO out of touch these last months. It actually takes effort to be as out of touch with the everyday man as he is of late.
amen! the guys a real tool, he cant except any other opinion, mr right
This caller has a point and James just talks over him because it doesn’t align with his upper class liberal stance pretty annoying.
Why can’t people here just accept the result of a democratic vote ? It’s not like a few people voted for him, well over 70 million did. It’s the same as Brexit here, more people voted for it than not, you might not like it but accept it.
We do accept it while recognising the risks that come with agent orange in charge
see that's the fundamental difference. we have accepted it -- we wouldn't be talking about the concrete risks otherwise. their sports team is the one who stormed the capital and cried about "stop the steal!" when they lost.
Grown men crying
James needs to stop talking and listen to him for a moment, he's missing the callers entire point. You can't listen to someone saying "these people aren't listening, they believe this..." and just say "nah I don't know who you're talking to but this is the facts". These. People. Aren't. Listening. To. Facts.
I feel like you are the only one speaking the truth on all matters. Thank you james
You can tell by his forced fake laughter that he's struggling. Very hard to watch.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 I agree
Speaking the truth- says a bot 😂
Lovin it from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
Jesus James, let the man talk
Isn't it about time the Activist O'Brien addressed some honest issues containing fact not fiction ?
James O’Brien, hears everything the caller says but listens to nothing he says and the caller is on his side😂.
This is what happens when people suspend their beliefs, their truths, their morals. It allows them to run amuck.
James is going mad! I’m here for it 😂😂😂😂
He's having a breakdown, must be hard accepting the truth for him
I'm an American. If our democracy survives the next four years, we need an economic populist to rise from the ashes. JOIN THE RESISTANCE ✊️
James let the man finish his thought ffs
He’s really irritating to listen to. Why bother letting people call in.
The worst that could happen is Project 2025, which everyone here seems to have forgotten about, would be fully implemented.
was reading up on this today
Trump has claimed he will higher the book’s author so even if it’s not called project 2025 some element of it he will implement
Influencers on the right are saying they can now implement project 2025 without any defense. They're celebrating
@shanerees516 I hope you're not American and only just reading it.
Your so ignorant it’s funny
9% inflation sending billions to Ukraine and Israel. While the roads are crumbling and a shortage of affordable housing.. what in the world is james talking about?
Jesus christ can he get a word in edgeways and get his opinion across without you interrupting/correcting him to your opinion every 15 seconds James?
You know the saying "must not tell lies"
His excuses don't hold water when questioned or examined
So who cares what he has to say?
@@mckenzie.latham91 What do you mean? JOB thinks its FINE that the Government outbids the locals on the Hotel & Wedding Venue (using tax payer money)... and then fills it up with illegals.
If a rich guy started buying up properties in a little rural village - pricing the locals out of their OWN community.... JOB would have enough to say.
But when the government does it - and displaces a valued local service to the community - he thinks that ok, because it went to the highest bidder.
The Ego is strong with him.. like i keep saying, articulated but out of touch, JoB is a steak at a vegan party
@@Marko-wi1lb oh go blow sand mate
Notice how everytime James does intercede the other guy and tells him how his excuses don't hold water and why
Or w
How when he has told and confronted people with the fact that their beliefs and feelings on the issues are either wrong or not backed by facts
He pivots to another point that also comes back to "what people feel"
The entire conversation proves James right.
@@mckenzie.latham91It really doesn't.
Being registered as an independent, I had say in neither primaries but it was deeply unsettling that neither party even bothered 🇺🇲 🤕
The politics of fear are very hard to answer or even question. About the only thing that can counteract it is being aware when the other person is using your fears simply to manipulate you and most people dont like being manipulated.
The best lessons learned are the ones you have to pay for some people.
The only way to cut through the rhetoric that immigration is why you are poorer, is to provide an alternative argument that is more compelling. That being that very wealthy people would rather you think the issue is someone else other than them. The increase in wealth inequality is the main driver for people’s issues. And the fact that 63% of the wealth in this country belongs to the richest 20% of the population, with 0.5% of wealth belong to the poorest 20% is the message that needs to be spread. The narrative needs to change.
Great post.. the truth that many ignore .. never mentioned or discussed on MSM..
Yes this it totally true… if you think that the main issue with the masses on immigration is that “it’s making them poorer…” It’s not so much about the money as it is about Safety and protection of your fellow citizens.
@@trialerlads8292 I hear you on the importance of safety and security, and I agree that it’s a valid concern. However, I think it’s worth questioning whether immigration is truly the main driver of safety issues, or if that’s just another narrative being pushed to distract from deeper systemic problems. Often, issues like underfunded public services, inadequate housing, and strained resources are blamed on immigration, but they’re actually rooted in policy decisions and economic priorities that don’t benefit the majority. By focusing on these systemic drivers of inequality, we might find solutions that improve safety and quality of life for everyone, without scapegoating others who are also trying to build a better life.
So your solution is to create excess labor to make the problem worse. Unconvincing.
Unemployment numbers, inflation, and growth aren’t factors that show how well the working class is doing. The working class in America is absolutely suffering. I live in America btw.
Oh boy wheel of misfortune for the next 4 years wonderful.
No doubt you’ll keep crying as your income and standard of living rise.
@@MrFoggy13 buddy i won't have a job he promised me that!
@@MrFoggy13So a trade war and musks intentional wrecking of the economy will lead to prosperity? 😂😂😂😂😂. Have a look at the people behind Vance. Thiel and Yarvin for example, then tell me they think about the average citizen.
@@honved1 I don't think thiel and thinking go in the same sentence unless it's followed by religious fundamentalism.
OBrien seems to be in favour of running hotels for asylum seekers on purely commercial reasons rather than for local community
O'Brien is struggling here to defend labour, and slowly realising that all the beliefs he held were wrong, and that he's been backing the wrong team.
Oh the hopelessness on here is wonderful 😊
What is the point of phoning up on O'Brien's show when all he does is talk over you.
One guy talked about issues that mattered to people, and the other lot said vote for us we're not him. Well, we now know what's most important.
Are you trying to rationalise Americans who voted Orangeman. really???
I mean, you have to somehow. Even if the rationale was "they’re a country of morons", you still need one. Otherwise you’re operating under a system in which "things just happen" and then, well, gambling addicts wouldn’t need to go to the slots, would they.
@@charlietownsend2826 Its just Trump he has a magic hypnosis over 70 million people. He set a violent mob on the capital in an attempt to steal the election and all 70 million just went "nah".
It was there on live TV everyone could see, "nah" gonna vote for him anyway.
Kamala said a couple of not perfect answers and they are disgusted by her very presence.
@@charlietownsend2826 "they’re a country of morons" That is not entirely accurate, we a country with morons and in this election revealing 1/2 are made of that description. The other really tried to give there country and world better. We failed
Yeah the idea of taxing imports to get people to buy American products is such a crazy idea isn't it, or actually tackling the Ukraine crisis instead of pumping endless amounts of cash into a bottomless pit 🤔 crazy ideas. We should just carry on like sheep doing the same
There are 10,000 reasons why Trump defeated Kamala. This discussion has touched on some of these reasons, but nailing it down to one bullet point is impossible. Racism, and sexism play a part. Economic messaging plays a part. Voter ignorance, virtue signalling, and identity politics play a part. Pleasing the donor class, while abandoning constituencies plays a role. Non specific policy positions, voter shaming, and civic responsibility all play a part. Primary annointing instead of contentious choice of candidates, and complete capture of government by corporate lobbies are all plaguing our elections. All that said, the candidate personally, her advisors, surrogates and lobbyists are all to blame.
Hilarious this guy is talking about the problem with the left is they don't listen only for James to do exactly that while claiming he's not.
People like James are so fixed that they do not realise that their fixedness is making the problem worse. Everyone else is wrong, you see, and objectively so.
The problem is what do you want us to listen to? You hold to views that are demonstrably false, its pointed out to you that they are false, but you choose to continue to believe it, and still want to be taken seriously and listened to. Isn't that madness?
It shows a very poor understanding of human psychology and behaviour on the liberals part. Most people just like confirmation and assurance. Humans are far from entirely rational beings and what Trump and co do so well is play on that side of human nature.
@@Kurauone__This is a line of argument that James has successfully used to suppress opinions that he disagrees with. He is quite proficient at it.
@@ws1-p9u People like you say that but cannot dispute the factuality of the evidence he presents which shows your opinions to be wrong. Its when the subject is interrogated at this level that you either fall apart or slink off into the shadows as we regularly see on his show. Things arent true simply because you feel one way.
This caller genuinely believes that he has profound knowledge and does a great job of arguing his side of the case, but all it does is show that HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL REASONS WHY PEOPLE ARE UPSET IN THE UK OR IN THE US
What is the actual reason?
Bridging hotels 100% made more money from doing just that. The hotels get to stay at FULL CAPACITY offering FULL BOARD with payments guaranteed, it's pretty simple to understand. My partner was a hotel manager at a hotel that went through this whole process. She's done some great work with our Afghan friends that is something to be very proud of! We owed them this and they are paying us back by being net contributors to the economy.
How are they net contributors to the economy? they are not allowed to work whilst seeking asylum?
Unfortunately you can't convince someone who isn't open minded enough to have a conversation or even accept the very notion that they might be wrong.
He needs to stop interrupting the callers every few words. Does my head in let him get his point accross man
Hilarious actually that the caller even pointed out how this conversation would go down with the public but James's still didn't get the less than subtle mention.
He’ll continue to interrupt people he doesn’t agree with, he can’t help it. However, at least he allowed Tony Blair to speak without mentioning WMD. Nice one Jim.
"He needs to stop interrupting callers when they say something wrong, and just let them spout nonsense unchallenged. Because I agree with the nonsense and I cannot argue against James points"
This is what you sound like. Grow up.
@@Khalkarawhat was that? Did someone hear something? Sounded like the loser of a democratic vote.
absolutely
Hate is as common as stupidity, unfortunately.
At last someone clearly more intelligent than O'Brien telling it like it is. By the way, typed into Google, "James OBrien on grooming gangs", found one result. O'Brien says he's been on about it since 2010
I don’t know about that but I think he may have mentioned Brexit a couple of times since 2016! 🤣😂
@@lerhodes2236 he's obsessed by it
You don’t want honest conversations. You want complete obedience to your ideological dogma.
What surprises me is how all the so-called experts missed Trump’s win on the horizon. So many of us saw this coming, yet they were completely blindsided! So out of touch with what real people are thinking and feeling !
I think O'Brien completely missed the point here
I agree. Or maybe he just didn`t want to see it
As per usual
@@alansmith4748 he's a clever guy. But over the years its become obvious that the average person isn't paying attention to political discussion and certainly won't be won over by being proved an idiot. It's like there's a car that's not fast enough and the progressives are only concerned with the tyres.
I think the point was if Mr Average doesn't see a better system then a rise of the Far right will be inevitable.
What’s the main point?
The world is a safer place today🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Anytime someone rings up and tries to talk about illegal imagination gets cut off and talked down to james obrian is the worst for it
We DO have to have conversations about the issues that concern us. Adam is spot on.
Interesting conversation. Thanks James. 😂
So the guy from South Wales, who knows much more about the aforementioned hotel he was talking about and was just giving an example of what had happened there, gets told he is wrong because.... O'Brien says so?
This is the same guy who got Southport, Kabba and Trump wrong all in the space of a few days. Rough week for you, James.
He won't have himself mistaken ryan..james knows best...
Caller wasting his time, speaking to a man that literally listens intensely ready to brand anyone rascist for expressing concerns.
This host really loves his own voice
He should just run it as a monologue
No one else can get half a sentence in
You do know there is a off button 🤫
Come on james its not that hard to understand. People dont want a migrant centre in their town, its only a legitimate business decision for the owner because the government has made it so, so people are angry at the government more than the owner
The economy is doing great……… for rich people and no one else
That will change now.... Hopefully.
@@ibexdnb2879 it wont. jeff bezos, bill clinton and elon musk just made $64 billion yesterday
Except for those millions who got jobs. Even if prices are high, nobody is starving, and many are off the welfare rolls.
Isn't that what the right wants?
Yes, thats called the new order. Will get worse under Kier Stasi.
@@kevinbibb3893
Has it yet?
The government offered the owner of the hotel more money to house immigrants . And all staff lost their jobs .
The immigrant hotel issue comes down to locals afraid of being attacked by those living in it as they may not understand the British culture or iust be dangerous people. Also the major problem i see with us lefties is that most don't come from working class communities and so don't understand the issues of living in areas with a high numbers of immigrants yet believe theyre right based on their superior education and knowledge of statistics.
I really wish he let this guy complete a point… instead of assuming what his next line is.
What a breath of fresh air this caller is. James is disingenuous, lying and wrong more than once in this cip. And rather than having the conversation with a nervous caller way oit of their depth with a professional baiter. He should get Douglas Murray or someone of his ilk on. He wouldnt dare because he knows someone of that caliber would show him for the far left activist he is.
Cite 3 things said in this clip by James that was disingenuous/a lie/wrong.
Go on, prove you're not full of bs.
I think the caller held himself exceptionally well considering ......but totally agree with you
Douglas Murray?? 😂 give over
O 'Brien can hardly be classed as an intellectual lol.
@sib1930 I would luv for you to find anything he has ever said to be wrong.
Accept he has won and move on and ignore him!
Americans expect far better economy than we have. Having a better economy than Europe in US is not consdered important and is taken for granted. No one in US cares about comparing the economy to Europe's. What they DO care about is if they are making ends meet in their household and its been a struggle. It is true that inflation has slowed down, but wages never caught up with the increase in costs. And having a Dem politician tell you that you are wrong and that you are doing fine just breeds anger and contempt.