Morning Pet Vlog 🐽🐰 Guinea Pig & Rabbit Routine

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  • @KungfuKitty602
    @KungfuKitty602 11 місяців тому +62

    Omg. I seriously just about cried when I saw the cream colored guinea pig with the red eyes. It reminded me of my first guinea pig Bob. Bob and I were so bonded. He would jump over to me if anyone else held him.

    • @TheThreeMustyRats336
      @TheThreeMustyRats336 11 місяців тому +6

      It sounds like bob was very lucky to have such a wonderful owner

    • @JustThatManda
      @JustThatManda 11 місяців тому +7

      I poured one out with G-man, my guinea pig for Bob, RIP!

    • @GodsArtGallery111
      @GodsArtGallery111 10 місяців тому +3

      That’s so beautiful ❤️ sounds like me and my Cookie. I miss her everyday

    • @Chinchin_goldie
      @Chinchin_goldie 10 місяців тому +3

      Awww

    • @teijaflink2226
      @teijaflink2226 10 місяців тому +3

      He looks very unusual, so pretty.

  • @TheBelyBunch
    @TheBelyBunch 11 місяців тому +16

    I cant even explain the excitement I felt when I saw this was posted lol.

  • @ashlynflourre3275
    @ashlynflourre3275 11 місяців тому +15

    That shot of Visions herd at the front of the cage waiting for their toys made my day!

  • @evawolflord
    @evawolflord 11 місяців тому +25

    Happy to see you're back! For Milo, I would recommend putting some cardboard in there for him to chew since he is showing a lot of interest in it, he might prefer that texture or it might just be what he's used to. It's completely safe for them and my own bunnies absolutely LOVE chewing up cardboard. I have seen them dig at it sometimes too. I have heard of people using those cardboard cat scratch things for their bunnies to dig at and chew so that will be the next thing I get for my buns, maybe you can try it out too and see if Milo likes it!

    • @Ciel-yf5gs
      @Ciel-yf5gs 11 місяців тому

      Rabbits can’t have cardboard

    • @evawolflord
      @evawolflord 11 місяців тому +4

      @@Ciel-yf5gs Source? So long as it is clean and is free of toxic dye and glues, there is no issue. It is paper. Paper is not toxic even if consumed.

    • @Zoeclarke01
      @Zoeclarke01 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Ciel-yf5gs they can as long as it has no dyes etc on it. And as long as they don't swollow it :)

  • @Piggedies
    @Piggedies 11 місяців тому +9

    It’s so great to have you back on UA-cam! I’m glad I’ve been following you on instagram all this time so the Pig Room video withdrawal wasn’t as bad! I absolutely love what you did with the lighting in their cages! We love all of our products we got from you, as always!

  • @kathym.9140
    @kathym.9140 11 місяців тому +14

    I'm so happy to see you back. During the time you were MIA I was getting my Pig Room fix by binge-watching all of your past videos. You have the best channel with the most interesting content.

  • @eriathwen1320
    @eriathwen1320 10 місяців тому +5

    Its nice to see someone talking about the risks of E.cuniculi, I have/have had multiple EC piggies (not infected by me, I dont keep rabbits) so its unfortunately safe to assume all my herds are carriers now.

  • @strzsmelody
    @strzsmelody 10 місяців тому +5

    aww your pets are so sweet and silly, your an amazing person for looking after those little ones, thank you. ❤

  • @janepeterson2284
    @janepeterson2284 9 місяців тому +2

    I gave my pigs a crazy hay ball, a timothy twist, and a willow heart. Their favorite was the willow heart, they love crunchy textures! I’m totally ordering them a timothy poop now!💩🐹🐷❤️

  • @LavenderThatDino
    @LavenderThatDino 11 місяців тому +4

    I got my Guinea pigs yesterday! They are both so cute and I’m so glad I adopted them! Thanks for your content!

  • @marshacampbell341
    @marshacampbell341 11 місяців тому +5

    I found when I had my rabbit an automatic water was better than just a bowl.

  • @monicad351
    @monicad351 10 місяців тому +1

    I like seeing Ollie he is my favorite child ! 😍😂

  • @emmaowen8236
    @emmaowen8236 10 місяців тому +1

    watching you clean the pens actually motivates me to clean so thanks!! 🤣🤣

  • @alexisbaker578
    @alexisbaker578 5 місяців тому +2

    When I was a little had had a black and white guinea pig that I named peeyew(pronounced p.u.) because he smelled bad and looked like a skunk lmao

  • @SardonicJackrabbit
    @SardonicJackrabbit 11 місяців тому +2

    My bun thrives off of any pigment free boxes thrown her way, we make them into toys a ton! Or just hides!! Really helps her dig and play with fun shapes she can move. Also we tried a few different shapes of cat litter boxes and it's a hit or miss on the vibe check 😅 good luck!!!

  • @jammiecampbell8189
    @jammiecampbell8189 11 місяців тому +12

    Bunns poop all the time, even in there sleep. So they will leave poop everywhere even when potty trained.

  • @ThePiggies3743
    @ThePiggies3743 11 місяців тому +5

    I’m so happy too see you back!!❤❤ but when I saw Milo’s enclosure there was a litter box kind of thing but it was wire? Wire can course bumble foot just like pigs so idk if that was wire but if it was I Suggest changing it!❤

    • @jaspermiller4819
      @jaspermiller4819 11 місяців тому +2

      Rabbits have hair padded feet, not skin padded, the right gauge wire will not cause sore hock. They are more likely to get sore hock by being on hardwood floors from turning around on their hocks constantly(think of it as like when you slide across the hardwood floor bare skinned)

    • @ThePiggies3743
      @ThePiggies3743 11 місяців тому

      @@jaspermiller4819 yea Ik but I found out that he can’t use a litter box because he gets his bum wet but he still I don’t think should use that it can be hard in the feet

    • @ThePiggies3743
      @ThePiggies3743 11 місяців тому

      @@jaspermiller4819 I didint mean bumble foot just like a soar on the foot

  • @sourceNsellenSarah
    @sourceNsellenSarah 11 місяців тому +1

    Milo looks like he is doing good now! Glad you got his diet on track. The food he came with was bad for his digestion.

  • @quarolyne9281
    @quarolyne9281 11 місяців тому +2

    So nice to have you back on youtube. As always, Love the video it’s nice spending time in the the pigroom. Milo is adorable ❤

  • @amyjarratt484
    @amyjarratt484 11 місяців тому +2

    Hi. I recently found your channel & have enjoyed catching up on your past videos. I had just been thinking that you had not put out any new ones & I was afraid you were no longer on UA-cam. I'm so glad you are back. I really enjoy your videos !

  • @mdeysenroth
    @mdeysenroth 11 місяців тому +1

    So glad to see you back! Timothy Poop made me laugh!!! It literally looks like a giant piggie poop.

  • @michelleschneider3220
    @michelleschneider3220 11 місяців тому +1

    I was so happy when I heard on Instagram that you were coming back on youtube! My Harriet loves all kinds of hay and orchard is a favorite! Harriet is a skinny and loves everything hay, but need to be faster as all the hay balls are sold out,lol! Harriet did love your liner and how soft it was! I know as she kept it clean the longest! So nice to see Milo and all your piggies!

  • @SRHMorbid
    @SRHMorbid 11 місяців тому +1

    When i had a rabbit he would drink alot too so i kept 2 bowls one in his room and one id just set up so that i could give him his water clean his bowl and not have to go back and forth so much.

  • @oliviae1861
    @oliviae1861 11 місяців тому +1

    so happy ollie's been doing better i love his journey :)

  • @Beutea_with_B
    @Beutea_with_B 11 місяців тому +1

    I’ve been binge watching your videos taking notes.

  • @JenonHonor-d2d
    @JenonHonor-d2d 10 місяців тому +1

    Hi Milo and I'm glad you're back and I love your bunny

  • @Bri.WoodedCreekAcademy
    @Bri.WoodedCreekAcademy 11 місяців тому +2

    ooh! I have a lop of my own who also has a pen and she gets freeroamed most of the day!

  • @sierra2389
    @sierra2389 11 місяців тому +1

    Yesss! I can’t wait for the bun room!!!!!

  • @catsupremacyy
    @catsupremacyy 11 місяців тому +1

    Love to see you and all the babies doing good 💖

  • @RosieSullivan-h4d
    @RosieSullivan-h4d 7 місяців тому +7

    Is it just or or Austin’s lips are always looking so glossie and amazing ?😊

  • @jordynmontpellier14
    @jordynmontpellier14 11 місяців тому +2

    I missed your videos!! Glad you're back!

  • @stephanie2
    @stephanie2 11 місяців тому +1

    Happy to see you back. Awesome video. Adorable piggies and bunny ❤️🥰

  • @gardenbychristine1304
    @gardenbychristine1304 10 місяців тому +2

    I just found your channel and have really appreciated being educated on the proper care of Guinea Pigs. I had a Piggy for 12 years when I was young and now realize that we could have done better. Now at age 57, I'm considering getting back into them. I always get my animals from rescues. I am in Northeastern Pennsylvania and was wondering how to get in touch with the rescue you work with. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Keep up the great work!

  • @LisaXrobbie
    @LisaXrobbie 11 місяців тому +3

    Its great to see you again! I love the pigs and milo! Its so nice to see how the pigs and milo ate doing! I had a question, u talked about not to touch ur pigs and then ur rabbit, but can they also not live together?

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому +1

      Rabbits and guinea pigs should never live with each other!

    • @LisaXrobbie
      @LisaXrobbie 11 місяців тому

      @@ThePigRoom okey! Thanks a lot, i just wanted to know because i want to het a rabbit and a pig but if they cant live together ill just put them both in a different room with a great cage, just like yours😊i already did all of my research i just wanted to ask u this!❤

  • @somauk
    @somauk 11 місяців тому +1

    I have had 1 (I know… shame on me) healthy happy piggy “Toodlepips” for the past 3 years. She is my world and enough daily cleaning maintenance for my busy life.

  • @ThePiggieForest
    @ThePiggieForest 11 місяців тому

    I’d love to make some artwork of your piggies eventually! I’m always drawing my piggies anyway lol. Also, I love how big Ollie’s ears are! ☺️

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому +1

      I would love artwork!

  • @hannahkayee831
    @hannahkayee831 7 місяців тому

    I want a giant piggy mat as a rug and a comforter lol

  • @heathgraves3763
    @heathgraves3763 11 місяців тому

    Hey, so glade you a back I was wondering when are you going to do another restock on all of the piggy hide outs

  • @monicazhao2168
    @monicazhao2168 10 місяців тому +1

    Does anyone know where to find his hay rack? I'm searching for something similar for my 2 girls that just make a mess with hay😅
    By the way Austin you're amazing and your pets are all gorgeous🥺

  • @Grace_sxoxox
    @Grace_sxoxox 11 місяців тому

    IV BEEN CHEAKING UR CHANEL EVERY DAY!!! so happy ur back

  • @bubblegummel
    @bubblegummel 11 місяців тому

    Milo is so cute. Im so happy he's happy

  • @stephaniehoney
    @stephaniehoney 11 місяців тому

    My Bunnies do that too out of all their water bowls one of them always has hay in it and i just think they like to make tea for themselves but idk i need to do more research on it

  • @shannonbain2811
    @shannonbain2811 9 місяців тому

    I have an automatic water from my Rabbit because of that and I honestly didn’t know that they drink as much as a dog or cat until they got one as well so he definitely wasn’t getting enough water from the water bottle and my rabbit also gets his incredibly dirty too but since it’s automatic, I usually don’t have to change it at least for a week or so. Obviously if he’s running low on it, he will get some more.

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  9 місяців тому

      How do you like it? Always been worried they will chew the cord

  • @leeannmathias8484
    @leeannmathias8484 11 місяців тому

    My bunny's love a good box to Chew on I will often just cut a hole in one side. They'll use it as a Chew toy and house for several months,

  • @magdalenaoelsner7626
    @magdalenaoelsner7626 11 місяців тому +1

    hi, i think you should check out the drinking thing, because its really too much for just one rabbit. I have a rabbit myself and am a vet student. Just please check that out.

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому +1

      He’s got a vet appointment on the 26th so I will most definitely bring this up and see if it’s a concern with the vet 🐰

  • @katiephillips9877
    @katiephillips9877 11 місяців тому +1

    Hiiiiiiiiiii. Welcome back

  • @trishchandler7501
    @trishchandler7501 10 місяців тому

    I have just about a half hour ago purchased 2 young females. I need to know what I need. I have a chinchilla that eats the pellets and hay already. I have them in a large cage 40" L x 17" W. This is temporary, until I can learn how to make your large ones. Plus I need to learn set-ups.

  • @jaceyneubauer6522
    @jaceyneubauer6522 5 місяців тому

    There so cute sounding

  • @al3xainthere
    @al3xainthere 11 місяців тому

    So happy to see you!!

  • @bigislandchickens6747
    @bigislandchickens6747 11 місяців тому

    Glad to see you back! Are your liners pre wicked?

  • @Agirlandagelding
    @Agirlandagelding 11 місяців тому

    I wish I could treat my piggys as good as u do with all love from Massachusetts❤

  • @janemaloney2419
    @janemaloney2419 11 місяців тому

    Welcome back am having trouble with my one guinea drink water is it the water bottle or I have a messy guinea pig drinker she wets my cage

  • @Fortheloveofguineapigsandcats
    @Fortheloveofguineapigsandcats 11 місяців тому

    Good to see you back! Pleeease find a UK supplier for items from your shop!

  • @TSLDame-Crafts
    @TSLDame-Crafts 11 місяців тому

    Will you ever get more pink Mega Super Plush Pig Mats back in? I really want to order that from you and some more treats and toys. My piggies really love the bamboo sticks prolly the most from your shop so far. 🐾

  • @Olive_garden36
    @Olive_garden36 11 місяців тому

    We’ve missed you so much

  • @ALI_DEEZ
    @ALI_DEEZ 10 місяців тому

    i love your videos you've inspired me to adopt a guinea pig

  • @mariatrapani851
    @mariatrapani851 5 місяців тому +1

    LOVE WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS, I HAVE A GUINEA PIGS 4 MONTHS NOW LOOKING FOR ANOTHER ONE FOR COMPANY. BYE MARIA

  • @christine16sew
    @christine16sew 11 місяців тому +1

    What’s going on with your store? I need more stuff!!

  • @kaitlyn2269
    @kaitlyn2269 11 місяців тому

    So glad you're back posting! Also, are the pig toys rabbit safe as well?

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому

      Yes, that are 100% safe for rabbits as well!

  • @lily.0317
    @lily.0317 11 місяців тому

    HE'S BACK

  • @Twistedbirdie
    @Twistedbirdie 7 місяців тому

    Hi may i ask why the bun gets a bowl but the piggies gets a bottle? My mom says we can’t get a bottle for my future pigs(🎉) because its bad for their teeth?

  • @lenajazuk4231
    @lenajazuk4231 11 місяців тому +1

    Does anyone know what happened to Guinea pig jungle channel, she stoped posting on Instagram as well?

    • @Libbys-animals
      @Libbys-animals 11 місяців тому

      I think its just because her husband / the person that edits and films the videos has been very busy. She actually has a reaction channel called saysaywhat

  • @kellywilkinson9563
    @kellywilkinson9563 11 місяців тому

    Hi there I love watching your videos and I'd like to know how many Guinea pigs for 19 square feet and 21 square feet. I hope Ollie feels better soon. He is my favorite guinea pig you have 🥰🥰

  • @SkibidiSaint
    @SkibidiSaint 11 місяців тому

    your pigs are so cute! :333

  • @MackenzieBurke-wv6kl
    @MackenzieBurke-wv6kl 10 місяців тому +1

    I don’t have piggy’s but I have a hammy but I still Watch your videos

  • @joycekuras5208
    @joycekuras5208 5 місяців тому

    Do you ever let them out of the cages so they can run around and get some quality run time

  • @talaeditss
    @talaeditss 10 місяців тому

    Wanda looks like a lion 😮 soo cute😊❤

  • @venessav195
    @venessav195 6 місяців тому

    Where’s the Milo’s litter box from?

  • @IPursuePeppers-CTH
    @IPursuePeppers-CTH 11 місяців тому

    Adopting a rabbit soon hopefully. i’ve owned ferrets, birds, cats, dogs, fish. and still i do the utmost research. I garden a lot, what’s the best grass/veggie i could possibly grow to feed a rabbit? i’m growing carrots of course… how can i not. 😂 Thank you for the info, you’re very charismatic. 🙌🏼

  • @sandraleeyates1971
    @sandraleeyates1971 9 місяців тому

    Hey I love you Guinea pig videos so much are you still going to be doing piggie videos

  • @jaceyneubauer6522
    @jaceyneubauer6522 5 місяців тому

    Why are they not afraid of the vacuum?

  • @He1llo_k1ttyluv
    @He1llo_k1ttyluv 10 місяців тому

    Question I have a 1 guinea pig she currently living in a 2 by 3 cage ( I am getting a another one don't worry we got her a month ago and found out she was only 2 weeks old when we first got her. And we didn't want to get a bigger one than her or one as young as her as we thought it wasn't right) but what I'm getting at Is how much bigger should I make the cage? I want the best for her and Any Future pigs a get.

  • @VivienneNguyen-ui5xp
    @VivienneNguyen-ui5xp 17 днів тому

    Ate litter boxes okay for Guinea pigs? I was wondering cause my friend uses one

  • @karyssareneek
    @karyssareneek 11 місяців тому

    We need to see an Ariel update!!! Look how much she’s grown and how far she’s come.

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому

      Dedicated video on her transformation coming soon ❤

  • @looim-to8kc
    @looim-to8kc 8 місяців тому +1

    I am a huge fan of your channel! I was wondering if Jojo was still alone? And if yes, can you try bonding Jojo again? I might of missed some details though.!

  • @Zuzulioness
    @Zuzulioness 11 місяців тому

    Any breed recommendations for a first time Guinea pig owner who enjoys brushing? I’m looking for one who’s somewhat calm and enjoys petting

  • @Whybrissbri
    @Whybrissbri 11 місяців тому

    Ahhh we missed you

  • @maclyndavis5293
    @maclyndavis5293 9 місяців тому

    Where did you get your hay Rack at?

  • @Cazi1111
    @Cazi1111 11 місяців тому +1

    Hi i ❤ your hairstyle looks great ❤

  • @Asp3n.Untamed
    @Asp3n.Untamed 8 місяців тому

    THIS IS A SAFE SPACE ❤❤❤❤

  • @sofiaalonso5713
    @sofiaalonso5713 11 місяців тому +1

    What vacuun do you use?! Im really interested

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому +1

      I use a shop vac! I got it from Home Depot 💛

  • @MyrandaSiegfried
    @MyrandaSiegfried 9 місяців тому

    I have three guinea pigs there names are Brownie, Cookie and Elsa.

  • @Meja_l123
    @Meja_l123 6 місяців тому

    Yes,all bunnys get a weirdly large amount of hay and dirt in Their water bowls 😂😂

  • @TulipsLps
    @TulipsLps 11 місяців тому

    Hi! I wanted to ask a question, is a 2x5 C&C cage too Big for 2 female Guinea pigs? 🤔Today I was out looking at Guinea pigs, and the breeder said that it was very big and it would probably be better if I made it smaller (the Guinea pigs are 4 and 6 weeks old). I initially bought a 2x4 but I got extra grids and I thought the bigger the better, but now I’m unsure. Should I make it smaller? And the breeder said I shouldn’t buy any toys for the Guinea pigs too which made me confused.

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому

      That breeder is giving you very wrong information. The larger the cage THE BETTER! Also, given them as many toys possible. Anything they can play with/chew on is super beneficial for them! (Just make sure it’s safe) I recommend checking out our site as we have 100% safe toys for piggies 🐷

    • @TulipsLps
      @TulipsLps 11 місяців тому

      @@ThePigRoom Hi! Thanks for repling, i would love to but i live in denmark and im not sure if you ship to here

  • @ahess729
    @ahess729 10 місяців тому

    We need a cage cleaning of Milo!!

  • @melissabrouwer6631
    @melissabrouwer6631 11 місяців тому

    Austin please send your products to the netherlands❤ I really want to buy your toys and snacks for my 5 Guinea childeren. In the Netherlands they barley sell Toys and save snacks

  • @llifewjoyyy
    @llifewjoyyy 10 місяців тому

    where do you get they’re toys !?

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  10 місяців тому

      They are my own! www.thepigroom.com

  • @leeannmathias8484
    @leeannmathias8484 11 місяців тому

    I would love to see Groom and give a haircut to your piggy,I have a bunny with long hair so it is a weeky thing In Shedding season twice a week lol

  • @lovesick.6951
    @lovesick.6951 11 місяців тому

    i’m not sure if you’ll see this!! but do you ship to the uk? when i checked the site i couldn’t see an option for it!
    love from uk! love your videos

  • @dfyfyewg
    @dfyfyewg 11 місяців тому

    I need a new water bottle for my piggies what would you recommend?

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому

      I recommend the Kaytee glass water bottles!

    • @claudieC.
      @claudieC. 11 місяців тому

      You can try a washer replacement kit. Comes with a variety. Works for me well. I've had the same water bottles for years. Just clean them well. 35:24

  • @FrankieChicken
    @FrankieChicken 11 місяців тому

    might i be able to get some help from the community with being able to get some guinea pig supplies? ive always loved your channel and want to be just like you were in terms of pig knowledge

  • @starburst740
    @starburst740 11 місяців тому

    do you think some of your piggie things would work with hamsters??

  • @morgandurham449
    @morgandurham449 11 місяців тому

    What shop vac do you have?

  • @Kbpiggies6
    @Kbpiggies6 11 місяців тому +1

    heyy I am kelly I have pigs of my own i have male trio I love your videos so much

  • @sydneylewis1830
    @sydneylewis1830 11 місяців тому

    I don't know how often you check your Instagram messages but I actually sent you a message a while ago. I had a specific question for you that somewhat still applies but I also was wondering if you could give me so good advice on hay for a picky Pig

  • @miaramirez8001
    @miaramirez8001 3 місяці тому

    why are you always serving face card is lethal😭

  • @teijaflink2226
    @teijaflink2226 10 місяців тому

    Ollie is the cutest, he must be a poop machine though.

  • @smoothsailin9351
    @smoothsailin9351 11 місяців тому

    international shipping?

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому +1

      We offer shipping to Canada and the UK!

    • @smoothsailin9351
      @smoothsailin9351 11 місяців тому +2

      @@ThePigRoom when you inevitably expand can you please make an announcement in a video so I can find out about it lol love from Australia

  • @michellesmolek2904
    @michellesmolek2904 11 місяців тому

    Why doesn’t Milo use a water bottle?

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому +2

      Water bowls are a more natural way for rabbits to drink water. He also drinks so much water so a bottle wouldn’t last long lol

    • @Zoeclarke01
      @Zoeclarke01 11 місяців тому

      Rabbits can drink as much water as a medium sized dog a day. Thats a lot of water, so a bowl will ensure they're drinking a good amount. Its also way easier & natural for them 😊

    • @michellesmolek2904
      @michellesmolek2904 11 місяців тому

      @@Zoeclarke01 I have had rabbits..and always used a water bottle…the big ones. They contaminate water bowls very quickly and some will even dig the water out. Guinea pigs don’t drink out of water bottle naturally either. We give them water bottles because of the contamination. They adapt. Bunnies do too….😀

    • @ThePigRoom
      @ThePigRoom  11 місяців тому +1

      @@michellesmolek2904 It all comes down to personal preference! Although water bottles aren’t a “natural” way of drinking water for buns, it’s totally fine to use them.

    • @michellesmolek2904
      @michellesmolek2904 11 місяців тому

      @@ThePigRoom totally agree…personal preference and the bunny in question for sure. He sure is cute. I have a large herd of piggies and have for 41 years, but have had rescue bunnies here over the years. I enjoy watching your videos..have a great rest of the weekend….🐾😀🐾

  • @daniellerussak1665
    @daniellerussak1665 6 місяців тому

    I was always taught to not keep rabbits and piggies in the same room. I've learned the hard way before.