Fishing a Pool: Back to Front, Near to Far, and Shallow to deep
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- As the water temperature drops in the fall and through the winter, trout usually concentrate into slower and deeper holding water. This is an energy saving tactic at a time when their metabolic rate drops, and the activity of their food sources is also sparce. If you have been used to being able to nymph the faster water for fairly easily caught trout, it is important to shift your strategies when targeting winter holding water.
In this video, I take you to a piece of winter holding water. The larger trout eluded me during this trip, but I guide you through the changes I often make to thoroughly work a piece of water. With each change a few more fish come to the net.
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As a junkie, who loves to go out and practice, I really appreciate the in depth explanations. It will make me a more thorough angler through each section.
Glad you enjoyed it
Really like this video. I find videos like this very helpful as you walk us through your thought process of how to cover water methodically. I would definitely watch more videos like this, multiple times.
I really like being able to see your leader in this video
Glad it showed up. It's pretty hard to get a micro leader to show for the camera in anything but the best light.
Thanks for another great video Devin! Is that Rio 2 tone sighter? 5x? Would you mind explaining the benefits in your mind of using supple material like sighter as your entire leader vs something stiffer like maxima chameleon or amnesia other than visibility? Thanks!
@@lheftw1376 Once you get to fishing a true micro diameter leader, the weight of your nymph or nymphs is almost entirely responsible for loading the rod and that weight becomes the projectile that you need to propel to the target. Having the lightest and most supple material to cast with will take most of the interference from the leader out of the equation. More importantly, maxima doesn't knot well with other materials in small diameters and frequently breaks. I've had some nightmare sessions in some of the earlier days that I fished with chameleon in my micro leaders and had to learn the hard way. Lastly, amnesia is only available down to about a 3x diameter.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Thanks much Devin!!!!
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 I’ve been running 4lb maxima the last few outings and have really liked it compared to heavier. If you had to pick one or two leader materials for a micro rig in .007 range (4x)ish what would you recommend? I hear Adam’s new leader material is nice and sempe has pretty good reviews. Thanks
Devin, always outstanding video quality that enhances on the water instructions. I always appreciate the emphasis on assessing depth and changing flies when needed; I am guilty of not changing flies often enough but your videos have made be more attentive to that fundamental action. Thanks for all you do.
Glad you enjoyed it Randall. Thanks for watching!
When the video is this informative its length is not a problem. As usual you have packed it with information. As someone as already said, the view from across the river was very helpful. The sun angle showed the line well. Seeing that in relation to the current, and what you were doing with your rod tip and hands was very helpful. I'm going to think of this video as the "junkyard" triumph.
Haha! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Trout do live in some beautiful places but thankfully they can deal with some of the places we've made less attractive as well.
Loved the whole thing.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Love hearing your thought process as you break it down. Basically it is a logical process of monitoring depth and current and changing the variables of fly, leader and weight while trying to have a drag free drift. Well done!
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Great video showing a very methodical approach. Very logical.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
It was an astute decision to switch from size 14 to size 20 midge fly very quickly. Otherwise, one could be casting there the whole day, and they wouldn't take it. Many people think that fish not taking a fly is a presentation issue when actually it is the size of the fly.
Nice dry fly setup. Presenting the fly first in those ultra clear conditions is good to see.
Thanks. The sun angle was nice for being able to see the layout that day.
Great video, just the right lenght! You really teach many many things. Much appreciated 😀
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Great lesson, the video from the far bank is so good.
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Great video. The sun was just right so we could see your sighter at the water's surface. Even when you said the take was obvious, I am so lame I had a hard time seeing the sighter move. I think I would have missed most of those fish.
Great video. I have lots of pools and runs that are very similar to this around where I live. Sometimes they're tricky due to the weird currents. This is a great instructional.
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Super helpful video. Thanks!
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Great video. Awesome to learn how you think your way through the pool. Way more use than another rod or fly review or a basics video.
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Awesome- really appreciate this video. I feel like I'm in that immature part of my fly fishing quest were every session has breakthroughs in terms of understanding a few new things, so it's really valuable the way you talk through what were probably breakthroughs in your journey many years ago and are now second nature.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A great class in how to do it! Well done and thanks again for sharing.
Always informative! Too bad about the junkyard on the bank! Sad!
Terrific video thanks Devin. Very informative.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is a superb video, Devin. It doesn't just show an angler catching fish, it educates viewers on the thoughts and techniques that go into seducing the trout. Could you tell me what knot you're using these days to create your dropper tags and how long you like them, especially when they're attached to a nymph?
Glad you enjoyed it. I use a figure 8 knot for my dropper tags and the tag probably starts around 6-7” long on rivers. I’ll be doing a video on this knot over the winter.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching
Great instructional video Devin, as always. Reallr appreciate how you describe your thought processes and inform the audience about what you're doing and why. When we get some dry weather here in the UK 🇬🇧, I am going to try and follow similar on my local stream for winter grayling (trout are OOS until March 2024). BTW, not sure if you noticed the nymphing trout showing against the light river bed at 16:35 onwards - very active pursuing those midge pupae (buzzers).
Yes, it's very obvious in the footage from that side of the river. Unfortunately, the glare was pretty intense from where I was so I didn't see the fish while I was fishing.
Hi Devin. Brilliant video, jampacked with data. First video I've seen where the dry is visible. Oustanding. Please advise the following;
The name of the dry fly
The weight of the perdigon.
Foam front and loader caddis dry fly. Started with a 2.3 mm perdigon and moved to a 2.8 mm.
Thanks Devin. Looking forward to the tying video.
Thanks for this Devin - terrific as always. Would you say a bit more about your leader and rod / reel setups used in the video please?
For my micro nymphing and dry dropper leaders, I was using the formula from the video in the link below. The only difference was I used some 5x bicolor sighter instead of the Adams so it would show up on camera.
ua-cam.com/video/3xlLbnvnsfc/v-deo.html
The dry fly leader was a Soldarini 15' Camo leader to .16mm tippet. I chop off the first and last 18" of the leader. I then add 15" of 5x and 15" of 6x tippet. Then I add 7x tippet until the leader is 19.5' long which is twice the length of the 9' 9" 4 weight Hardy Ultralite LL rod I was using for dry flies.
I used two Peux Fulgor reels and one OCR Bighorn reel.
I used a Diamondback 10' 2 weight and a 10' 7" 2 weight prototype I'm testing for the micro leader rigs.
Hey Devin, at 21:16 your dry dropper lands and a nice fish is checking out your nymph. It might have even nibbled and spit it out again. Did you notice that?
Yes, I saw the fish in the video and it's certainly possible. When I was fishing the water was in complete glare from my side of the river so I couldn't see the fish from that angle.
Great video. Thank you! Your thought process is incredibly methodical and logical. Many intermediate fly fishers like me just fish away without your self discipline. Does a simplified version of this thought process apply in the summer months?
My thought process is still the same in the summer months but it can be applied to other water types where the fish are found at other temperatures.
Thanks Devin! I stuck with it ,great video very instructive. Was that the Diamondback 10/10 2 wt you were nymphing with? I was waiting for mop up duty and you did not disappoint.
Dale it was not a 10’ 10” 2. That’s all I’m at liberty to say at this point. 😉
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 ooo a new diamondback model. I can’t decide between the 10’ and the 10’10’ model. If it’s 10 1/2 feet I’m sold
Nice tutorial, I appreciate your review of the sequence of tactics!
Please let me know how to tie the foam front end loader and if you sell it?
I will be doing a tutorial for the Foam Front End Loader over the winter. Fulling Mill is also producing this fly in the 2024 catalog. We should have them available in our shop around February or early March.
Great videos! Two questions:
1. What part of the country is this river, east coast? I live in seattle and the nearest brown trout is 200+ miles away. Looks fun.
2. When you are frequently changing dropper length along a stretch going from shallow to deep, then walking further up river and repeating, what is your approach? Do you just add/cut tippet over and over?
This stream is in the West.
I normally either chop and change rigging as necessary or I run multiple rods and keep one as a longer rig and another as a shorter rig where it makes sense.
Hi Devin, love your videos and your fly shop as well. I am a frequent visitor to both :-). Curious as to what diameter leader you are using for the dry fly presentation? Thanks and take care! Tom.
Thomas, are you asking about the diameter of the tippet for the dry fly or the specific formula of the taper? I had 7x tippet to the dry.
Oh yes, the taper or diameter of the main casting line, not the tippet 🙂Thanks!@@tacticalflyfisher3817
The dry fly leader is a Soldarini 15' Camo leader to .16mm tippet. I chop off the first and last 18" of the leader. I then add 15" of 5x and 15" of 6x tippet. Then I add 7x tippet until the leader is 19.5' long which is twice the length of my 9' 9" 4 weight Hardy rod.
Great as always Devin!!Im using the Pierre Sempe sightser nylon and in some light conditions I struggle to see the micro leader.What sighter material in your opinion is the easiest to see?
The brightest material is probably Cortland Tri-Color.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 - seconded courtland tri-color. the black sections create a really good contrast to pick up the two other colors, and it takes a sighter wax/marker very well (to highlight the tip section before the tippet ring).
Devin, I need some help. I’ve been practicing casting with a Micro Mono Rig and I continually find myself missing my point of aim, my target.
The equipment I’m using is as follows: Thomas & Thomas 1093 rod, Galvan Reel spooled with 0.22 dia. Braid core Euro line, and 23 ft. of Pierre Sempe 0.18 mm mono, with 4 ft. of 5X tippet. To the end of the tippet I’ve tied a practice weight of approximately 0.62 gram. For context, one single 3.3 mm slotted tungsten bead weighs 0.31 gram on my scale.
The problem I keep having is my practice weight is continually landing to the left of my target by approximately 15 to 20 degrees. I cast with my right hand, with my index finger pointing down the rod blank, with the tip of my index finger just touching the rod blank where it enters the cork handle. When I’m casting I have about 14 or 15 ft. of mono line and tippet extending from my rod tip, I have about 2 feet of Euro line beginning to enter the line guides
From what I’ve described here, is there anything about my casting approach that stands out to you and may be the cause of my practice weight (fly) landing 15 degrees left of my target.
I’d like to thank you in advance for your time and consideration.
David
David,
This is pretty common for folks new to casting a micro leader. Without watching you cast I don't know exactly what to recommend but here are a few tips that should help.
1. Make your cast almost completely sidearm. Do not raise your rod tip above your head during the casting stroke. Keep it nearly parallelly to the water.
2. The casting stroke should be mostly wrist based. Do not make it a wide motion with your shoulder and elbow.
2. Wait until you feel the weight turn over on your back cast.
Lastly, you should probably cut the amount of weight you are practicing with by at least half. Part of the benefit of the micro leader is that you can fish with less weight in a lot of places. You should practice with what you are likely to fish on the river.
Devin - do you plan to do a video on how you tie the foam front end loader caddis?
Yes. This winter sometime.
Please explain your go to dry fly rod set up and dry dropper set up. Thanks
The dry dropper leader is detailed in the video at this link ua-cam.com/video/3xlLbnvnsfc/v-deo.html The exception is I used bicolor sighter from Rio in this video instead of the Adams mono so that the bicolor would show up on camera.
The dry fly leader is a Soldarini 15' Camo leader to .16mm tippet. I chop off the first and last 18" of the leader. I then add 15" of 5x and 15" of 6x tippet. Then I add 7x tippet until the leader is 19.5' long which is twice the length of my 9' 9" 4 weight Hardy rod.
Hi Devon, What is the heaviest nymph or perdigon you use? Thank you Robert
In this video it was a 2.3 mm perdigon and a 3.3 mm mop.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817thank you
You use a "shuttlecock midge" in this video. Where can I purchase that fly? Thanks.
The Antonio's Emerger we have in our shop is very similar. tacticalflyfisher.com/products/antonios-quill-midge?_pos=4&_psq=antoni&_ss=e&_v=1.0
How deep was your nymph on the dry dropped set up? The hole on video did not look that deep. But you said 5ft.
On the nymph rig I did have five feet. For the dry dropper, I started with about 24" and then went to around 40" on the deeper dry dropper. The pool is probably at least 4' to 4.5' deep I would guess.
Don't know if I missed it or not. Was your dry dropper on a euro nymphing set up?
Thanks
Yes. If you want the casts, the full sighter material leader should be pretty clear to see.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 thanks for the reply.
That's what I thought but wanted to be sure.
I'd never heard of anyone using a indicator on a euro set up. Then after asking a video magically appeard on my UA-cam feed about that very thing...go figure.
Thanks again!
We've done quite a few other videos with dry droppers on Euro leaders as well. Here are a couple with formulas.
ua-cam.com/video/3xlLbnvnsfc/v-deo.htmlsi=fZCohRosMzsV4SON
ua-cam.com/video/5IYWti8okLQ/v-deo.htmlsi=6-KmE9FUmfZ967N0
Hey Devin, I’m not sure if you have already done this video but what is your dry dropper leader formula you are using? Is it the same as the past or have you found a better formula?
I was using the formula from the video in the link below. The only difference was I used some bicolor sighter instead of the Adams so it would show up on camera.
ua-cam.com/video/3xlLbnvnsfc/v-deo.html
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 thanks I kinda had a feeling. Are you still using tippet rings or tying directly to the Adams mono? If so, any recommended knots?
@@ryanperkins432 I'm tying directly to the leader with either a figure of eight knot or another knot my teammate showed me that I don't know the name of. I'll be doing videos for both over the winter.
is that the Bighorn semi reel and if so do you have problems reaching the lever with downlocking reel seats or rods with longer grips?
Yes it is the Bighorn. No I don’t have problems reaching the lever. The lever is actually a fair bit longer than the lever on the Peux reels I also use.
Thanks so much....everyone who nymphs at the North American Fly Fishing forum thinks so highly of you and love your videos. the best educational videos on youtube! and you are such a likeable and humble guy for being so talented. keep those videos coming and I hope people continue to support your shop......one last ?...I have come to love the soldarini tippet I get from your shop. is that what you use?@@tacticalflyfisher3817
Clean up with the mop “ nicely done “
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What waders are you wearing?
Orvis pro boot foot waders.
Thanks! Do you prefer zipper or non zipper on Orvis Pro? I just got a pair of stockingfoot, but I’m thinking of upgrading them.
@@travisrothfortune8203they only make a zippered version in the boot foot. I've liked mine a lot so far. Honestly they have been the biggest game changer for winter fishing for me that I have ever made. I no longer get cold feet at all regardless of what the water temperature is. If you get some, you'll definitely want to add posi grip studs to them. They are slick to wade in without the studs. We don't have those waders in the shop but we could certainly order them for you if you're interested.
Great, thanks for the info! Do you prefer zip or non-zip in the standard non-boot foot Pro Waders?
@@travisrothfortune8203 I've only tried the zippered version in the regular Pro Waders so I can't speak to any differences.
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