great unit, love the fact you can pre-program the chemistry, now all us "enthusiasts" need is a tank to process Ilford wet paper, then we don't need a bathroom or sink, just this and an enlarger, what a device, saves all the mess, and if you do multiple different films, aka black and white, colour and slides, you can do it, without triple buying everything, to stop contaminating the processes; as it cleans itself, just need the whole process in the chem tanks, and everything is autopilot from there, great for beginner darkroom classes, the film dev. can be occurring whilst doing enlargements on a previous roll, or sheet.
@@domenicming9551 If he didnt want to be "taken advantage" of he should have pattend it, but then he couldnt because the filmomat is really just another rendition of the same rotary pneumatically actuated processor that has existed as a concept since the 70s.
your small (2x 35mm rolls) and medium (4x 35mm rolls) size tanks seem to youse quite a lot of chemistry compared to jobo 1500 series tanks when developing a similar # of rolls. I'm really interested in buying this product, but was hoping for some clarity as to why the need for this much chemistry when the reel uses are the same and jobo as well? I believe developing 4x rolls in a 1540 tanks requires only 470ml of chemistry where is your medium tank requires 850 (nearly double the amount). I've typically been one shotting our developer, so the amount of chemistry used is a bit of a concern for me
Been on contact with Analogico and wanted to give people coming across this video an update. We also own this machine as well. The reason for the larger amount of chemicals needed compared to a Jobo tank is because the tanks are larger in diameter compared to Jobo. the size of the tanks are larger and necessary so that the center core that holds the reels can freely rotate magnetically within the tank (thus there needs to be a good amount of clearance between the reels & the tank walls. I was told I technically can use less chemicals (and they have adjusted the recommended minimum amount of chemicals needed to develop when they first announced this product), but they can't in good heart recommend that milliliter amount due to not knowing how users may be loading up their reels. Some people may habitually load their film on reels so that the film is closer to the center core vs loading film and leaving it closer to the edge of the reel (if loaded this way, you technically can get away with using less chemicals, but the recommended amount is to ensure enough chemicals is enough to develop film that may be loaded closer to the center of the reel.)
Nice looking unit. The need for a modern film developer, for home use, is growing. I'll just have to hope the price comes down as more hit the streets, excellent unit and congratulations on putting this into the market. All the best.
Not going to happen unless they come up with a new concept... Look at all the precision made components and various pneumatics it requires. Im surprised they can offer it for as low as 3.5k euros.
I don't have a pressurized water source, so im going to be adding it manually. Wondering if the water i put in manually/ waste will exit from the outlets at the back when im done. If so do you recommend a collection tank of around 10L?
Yes the water that is manually put into the water bath will come out of th ewaste outlet on the back of the machine. We would recommend a 15 or 20L tank, 10L is about the same amount of water that the water bath will hold so a 10L tank would often be on the edge of overflowing.
We considered the idea of supporting super 8 and 16mm cine film but the available space in our machine is not enough to fit even the film contained in a super 8 cartridge. At the moment there is no plan for supporting any movie format (8mm, 16mm)
I like my lab box because I can load it in a lighted room. Obviously the film has to be loaded in a dark room or dark bag with this machine. I like the idea of all the chemicals being done by the machine.
It depends, we produce them in batches so when they're in stock delivery time might take about a week, when they're not in stock it might take a few months
I'm very excited for this as presented. It might be worth investigating a size up that would take Jobo Duo reels. I think they're slightly gentler to the film, and you'd be sized up for 2509n 4x5 reels. Great work here though, we need more engineers creating solutions for little labs like mine!
Not without some compromises or workarounds. Unfortunately it cannot remove the remjet on its own and it's not possible to set different temperatures for different steps of a process. The remjet can be removed manually before using the machine and the whole process can be configured to run at 41C (the developer is the most critical step), we haven't run tests yet but we will.
Unfortunately i don't think it's possible, even by removing features the costs of building one of these would still be too high to reduce prices below 1000€
I worked at a company here a guy produced a film processing machine in a small suitcase that contained all its own power and chemicals and was fully automatic. You just put the film canister with the tongue sticking out into the machine and the rest was fully automatic .A dry film was produced in minutes. Truly amazing.
@@rockhills It was produced by a major film manufacture before digital appeared .It took only three months to produce .Once presented and demonstrated to the company for assessment it was never heard of again. It was intended for news photographers in the field.
Very cool idea and implementation. Can you programatically insert a wash step between each of the chemical steps? This is often omitted in automated systems but is imperative to preserve the potency of the chemicals.
If the machine water inlet is connected (it also works perfectly fine without it) and if the process needs a tempered water bath, like E6 and C41, it's possible to add as many washing steps as you like. In that case the water bath will be automatically replenished and heated during the process. It's also possible to program the machine to use the water bath for washing steps even for processes that don't require temperature control, like black and white negative development, even if it's a bit wasteful.
A lot of people use a wash between each step, but from my understanding this is not defined in the process. The chemistry is designed to take some contamination from upstream residuals. The large processors in commercial labs follow the C-41/E-6 recipe to the letter and that is what this product is doing. The only chemical that can’t tolerate any amount of adulterants is the developer. Because oxygen breaks down your dev, it will expire before the rest of the chemistry; especially for the home developer that does not use nitrogen agitation. There is hours of reading on forums on the subject if you are interested in going down the rabbit hole. Stay analog my friend.
Our machine also lets some water flow through the internal tubes after each chemistry step to remove any residues left from the previous step. Even if the chemistry is designed to tolerate some cross contamination we want to reduce it as much as possible
This looks incredible. I *LOVE* that we are now able to use modern technology to make the process of shooting and developing film so much more accessible. I can't wait to try one of these at home!
We will have three tank sizes. The small one requires at least 650ml of chemistry, the medium one requires at least 850ml and the large one requires 1L.
Very interesting films developing machine for home / small business.. Can you show or give details how every single bath gets / is pumped into rotating film tank ? Are the different baths going to a common small way-thru container or..? Price of 4.000 €/$ would be perfect, purchase cost can be shared
A pump moves the chemistry to the film tank directly, there are no other in-between containers inside the machine. Part of the tubes are obviously shared but between each chemistry step some clean water flows through the tubes to remove residues from the previous step.
Unfortunately we are a still behind schedule with our large format reels, at the moment we can't give you a precise estimate of whne they will be ready.
That looks awesome. But I am wondering if it will function as smooth as it seems? I can't find a release date which gives the impression that it's still under development stage. Well before all the excitement I don't expect it to go into production at the near future or at all. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Lol. A rotary processor with pneumatically actuated chemistry has existed as a concept since the 70s, so if they did copy someone, it was a 50 year old pattent, which Jobo, Osiris, Therm and even Lukas Fritz used as the basis for their design.
@@domenicming9551 Neither did Dev.A. Their machine layout is nothing like that of the filmomat, not to mention the entire coupling and chemical feed mechanism for the canister is completely different, as is the design for the canister itself. The Dev.A also uses an external water supply for the heating chamber and chemistry flush, which in itself dictates an entirely different internal pneumatic system design. All this not to mention the form factor and component manufacturing processes, which are also different. Besides the very principal system level concept of the design, the Dev.A and Filmomat share very little, and as I said that principal design concept has existed since the 70s.
great unit, love the fact you can pre-program the chemistry, now all us "enthusiasts" need is a tank to process Ilford wet paper, then we don't need a bathroom or sink, just this and an enlarger, what a device, saves all the mess, and if you do multiple different films, aka black and white, colour and slides, you can do it, without triple buying everything, to stop contaminating the processes; as it cleans itself, just need the whole process in the chem tanks, and everything is autopilot from there, great for beginner darkroom classes, the film dev. can be occurring whilst doing enlargements on a previous roll, or sheet.
Just ordered mine today - can't wait to get it!
did you get it?
@@erlendase3354 I did! I’ve been using it a couple of months and am about to post a review video
@@TonyBrown311 looking forward to it 🤗
looks a lot like the "filmomat" from that German Guy though, even some parts are exactly the Same..
You are right
And the filmomat seems to be in the game for some more years lol
yeah they deff copied him VERBADUM. I hate people who have more money that take advantage of others.
@@domenicming9551 If he didnt want to be "taken advantage" of he should have pattend it, but then he couldnt because the filmomat is really just another rendition of the same rotary pneumatically actuated processor that has existed as a concept since the 70s.
Two obvious differences are this machine will process 8x10 film, and also supports the full 6-bath E6 process. The filmomat does neither of these.
your small (2x 35mm rolls) and medium (4x 35mm rolls) size tanks seem to youse quite a lot of chemistry compared to jobo 1500 series tanks when developing a similar # of rolls. I'm really interested in buying this product, but was hoping for some clarity as to why the need for this much chemistry when the reel uses are the same and jobo as well? I believe developing 4x rolls in a 1540 tanks requires only 470ml of chemistry where is your medium tank requires 850 (nearly double the amount). I've typically been one shotting our developer, so the amount of chemistry used is a bit of a concern for me
Been on contact with Analogico and wanted to give people coming across this video an update. We also own this machine as well.
The reason for the larger amount of chemicals needed compared to a Jobo tank is because the tanks are larger in diameter compared to Jobo. the size of the tanks are larger and necessary so that the center core that holds the reels can freely rotate magnetically within the tank (thus there needs to be a good amount of clearance between the reels & the tank walls.
I was told I technically can use less chemicals (and they have adjusted the recommended minimum amount of chemicals needed to develop when they first announced this product), but they can't in good heart recommend that milliliter amount due to not knowing how users may be loading up their reels. Some people may habitually load their film on reels so that the film is closer to the center core vs loading film and leaving it closer to the edge of the reel (if loaded this way, you technically can get away with using less chemicals, but the recommended amount is to ensure enough chemicals is enough to develop film that may be loaded closer to the center of the reel.)
Nice looking unit. The need for a modern film developer, for home use, is growing. I'll just have to hope the price comes down as more hit the streets, excellent unit and congratulations on putting this into the market. All the best.
Not going to happen unless they come up with a new concept... Look at all the precision made components and various pneumatics it requires. Im surprised they can offer it for as low as 3.5k euros.
Is it compatible with the b&w reversal process (with the permanganic acid bleach)?
Just received mine. Can't wait to start putting it to use! I hope to upload a bunch of youtube videos detailing my experience with it!
really looking forward your experience with this machine.
Can't wait to see your videos. subscribed
I don't have a pressurized water source, so im going to be adding it manually. Wondering if the water i put in manually/ waste will exit from the outlets at the back when im done. If so do you recommend a collection tank of around 10L?
Yes the water that is manually put into the water bath will come out of th ewaste outlet on the back of the machine. We would recommend a 15 or 20L tank, 10L is about the same amount of water that the water bath will hold so a 10L tank would often be on the edge of overflowing.
@@AnalogicobyAdel Thanks Adel
How about Super 8mm or 16mm film?
We considered the idea of supporting super 8 and 16mm cine film but the available space in our machine is not enough to fit even the film contained in a super 8 cartridge. At the moment there is no plan for supporting any movie format (8mm, 16mm)
@@AnalogicobyAdel thanks for the response.
I like my lab box because I can load it in a lighted room. Obviously the film has to be loaded in a dark room or dark bag with this machine. I like the idea of all the chemicals being done by the machine.
how much power does it take to run- Wattage?
About 1kW when the heating element is fully on and between 100 and 200W otherwise
@@AnalogicobyAdel thanks
Hi, how long is the delivery time
It depends, we produce them in batches so when they're in stock delivery time might take about a week, when they're not in stock it might take a few months
I'm very excited for this as presented. It might be worth investigating a size up that would take Jobo Duo reels. I think they're slightly gentler to the film, and you'd be sized up for 2509n 4x5 reels. Great work here though, we need more engineers creating solutions for little labs like mine!
Can this machine develop ecn2 motion picture films ?
Not without some compromises or workarounds. Unfortunately it cannot remove the remjet on its own and it's not possible to set different temperatures for different steps of a process. The remjet can be removed manually before using the machine and the whole process can be configured to run at 41C (the developer is the most critical step), we haven't run tests yet but we will.
Any chance if there would be a more consumer version of it in future, maybe with less features for < 1000 euros
Unfortunately i don't think it's possible, even by removing features the costs of building one of these would still be too high to reduce prices below 1000€
I worked at a company here a guy produced a film processing machine in a small suitcase that contained all its own power and chemicals and was fully automatic. You just put the film canister with the tongue sticking out into the machine and the rest was fully automatic .A dry film was produced in minutes. Truly amazing.
And who was this? And what happened to it?
@@rockhills It was produced by a major film manufacture before digital appeared .It took only three months to produce .Once presented and demonstrated to the company for assessment it was never heard of again. It was intended for news photographers in the field.
Very cool idea and implementation. Can you programatically insert a wash step between each of the chemical steps? This is often omitted in automated systems but is imperative to preserve the potency of the chemicals.
If the machine water inlet is connected (it also works perfectly fine without it) and if the process needs a tempered water bath, like E6 and C41, it's possible to add as many washing steps as you like. In that case the water bath will be automatically replenished and heated during the process.
It's also possible to program the machine to use the water bath for washing steps even for processes that don't require temperature control, like black and white negative development, even if it's a bit wasteful.
A lot of people use a wash between each step, but from my understanding this is not defined in the process. The chemistry is designed to take some contamination from upstream residuals. The large processors in commercial labs follow the C-41/E-6 recipe to the letter and that is what this product is doing. The only chemical that can’t tolerate any amount of adulterants is the developer. Because oxygen breaks down your dev, it will expire before the rest of the chemistry; especially for the home developer that does not use nitrogen agitation. There is hours of reading on forums on the subject if you are interested in going down the rabbit hole.
Stay analog my friend.
Our machine also lets some water flow through the internal tubes after each chemistry step to remove any residues left from the previous step. Even if the chemistry is designed to tolerate some cross contamination we want to reduce it as much as possible
What will be the max capacity of the large tank 35mm rolls wise? I assume 8?
The largest tank we have will be able to contain six 35mm rolls on Paterson or Jobo 1500 reels
This looks incredible. I *LOVE* that we are now able to use modern technology to make the process of shooting and developing film so much more accessible.
I can't wait to try one of these at home!
Any idea when your company will be bringing this to market?
Hopefully, in about one or two months we'll start selling the machine!
Very impressive! What is the capacity (volume in ml) of the various-sized processing tanks (i.e., for roll films and sheet films)?
We will have three tank sizes. The small one requires at least 650ml of chemistry, the medium one requires at least 850ml and the large one requires 1L.
So excited to see it in person.
Very interesting films developing machine for home / small business.. Can you show or give details how every single bath gets / is pumped into rotating film tank ? Are the different baths going to a common small way-thru container or..? Price of 4.000 €/$ would be perfect, purchase cost can be shared
A pump moves the chemistry to the film tank directly, there are no other in-between containers inside the machine. Part of the tubes are obviously shared but between each chemistry step some clean water flows through the tubes to remove residues from the previous step.
wow es genial, quiero una
Can I develop large format film with it ? 4x5 5x7 8x10?
Yes, large format development will be possible, we will provide our own custom reels
@@AnalogicobyAdel When do you think you'll be making those reels?
Unfortunately we are a still behind schedule with our large format reels, at the moment we can't give you a precise estimate of whne they will be ready.
Probably the best film developing product to come out in the last 2 decades 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Can you please provide little bit more details about weight and dimensions of that amazing device?
Assume it's a very heavy thing ~20 kg
Yes, it's about 19.5kg when empty and 35.5kg when fully loaded with water and chemistry. Dimensions are 60x28x51 cm
Any idea on the start pricing?
It will be around 4500 euro in Europe, for North America we are in the process of finding distributors so prices may vary
@@AnalogicobyAdel “She will be mine. Oh yes, she will be mine...”
I would sign up to buy this right now! Looks amazing.
Me too! But then I remembered you can develop manually, and you won't need to shell out a few thousand dollars for it.
That looks awesome. But I am wondering if it will function as smooth as it seems? I can't find a release date which gives the impression that it's still under development stage. Well before all the excitement I don't expect it to go into production at the near future or at all. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hi, we have just started production, the machine should be available in the very near future. A release date will come soon.
@@AnalogicobyAdel Hi! what is the current estimated price for this? I'm very interested in purchasing it for my small lab
It will be around 4500€ for end users, we will publish the complete and definitive price list on our webiste in the next few days
@@AnalogicobyAdel I am looking forward for purchasing this machine for my small lab. It could be a good upgrade to the old equipment,
@@AnalogicobyAdel Super excited! thanks!
trad labs should def get this...
How much?
Prices are not definitive but it will be around 4500€.
I want one
How much? $3500-5000 too much for me.
Prices are not definitive but it will be around 4500€.
This is looking great, can't wait to this on the market.
Thanks, hopefully we will be able to launch this product on the market very soon!
Looks very nice! This is awesome. But I don’t shoot enough to justify the price.
Personally, I will wait for the Beringher model !
@@cythardwell3069 Where can we find info about it?
Ok
I need this in my life❤❤
congratulations on copying Lukas Fritz - the guy who made the filmomat. stole his whole design essentially
Lol. A rotary processor with pneumatically actuated chemistry has existed as a concept since the 70s, so if they did copy someone, it was a 50 year old pattent, which Jobo, Osiris, Therm and even Lukas Fritz used as the basis for their design.
@@imvisier9925 lukas didn't invent the wheel, he also didn't copy a machien verbadum
@@domenicming9551 Neither did Dev.A. Their machine layout is nothing like that of the filmomat, not to mention the entire coupling and chemical feed mechanism for the canister is completely different, as is the design for the canister itself. The Dev.A also uses an external water supply for the heating chamber and chemistry flush, which in itself dictates an entirely different internal pneumatic system design. All this not to mention the form factor and component manufacturing processes, which are also different. Besides the very principal system level concept of the design, the Dev.A and Filmomat share very little, and as I said that principal design concept has existed since the 70s.