That is amazing the delta really pulls them in......I ran a regular V quad in the L position for 15 years and it worked great. Can u imagine stacked V Q3's.....
Ok, here's my experience: under most circumstances any directional antenna will outperform any omnidirectional antenna. Most circumstances. When a radio signal is refracted from the ionosphere, the polarity changes. When the dual-polarity antennas like the PDL2 and Moonraker came out the instruction manuals advised operators to switch polarities to see which one worked best. I have a Penetrator at 25 feet. In the back yard I have a Cushcraft R5 vertical at 10 feet. On ground wave, the Penetrator is at least 2 S-units better than the R5. With skywave signals the height advantage goes away, and although the R5 is a halfwave antenna the higher radiation angle often results in it being stronger than the Penetrator. The Penetrator seems to have a direct line to South Africa, but the R5 does much better to South America. It's higher radiation angle is better able to clear the 1250' hill immediately to the south and west of my 1080' location. The Penetrator does better to Europe...most times. Sometimes the Penetrator will reach into the Middle East, sometimes the R5 runs the table across Europe and Russia. The answer? Put up the most aluminum you can and enjoy the ride.
@@parkerriverrat1 That's a good antenna. Modeled after the 1970s Avanti 5/8, it puts a lot of aluminum into the air. I'm happy with the Penetrator because I don't have to worry about burning up the matching coil but it doesn't seem to work as well going south as the Super Magnum did. When I moved here in 1986 I put up a 30' TV tower and a horizontal 4 element Yagi tuned for 10 meters. Paired with a converted TRC-457 it worked quite well, even at 15 watts.
@@spaceflight1019 that's awesome, yeah I was running a A99 and it worked good but the V5000 is way better. So far I love it. Have it up about 40ft and run about 350 watts with it and using a Cobra 2000. Thanks for your videos, I really enjoy watching them.
@@parkerriverrat1 Thanks for watching them. I get to share the fruits of the work I did restoring those radios to OEM so everyone can get an idea of what it was like back in the day.
One thing I'm impressed with is the height differential (12' vs 28'). Anytime you can get performance like like at a lower height, that tells you something. Get that baby up on a tower and you're the SC King! Thanks for doing this!
Hello John. Your video is very good. VQ3 has low noise and is easy to hear even weak stations. In Japan, you can often hear CB stations from the West Coast of the United States. Thank you from 25Div 73's Good DX ! Have a happy new year!
John great video, I can tell you were a New Yorker, so was I ! I have been out here in Utah fo 30 years plus and people still tell me I can hear that twang! Great Antenna but $322.00, I would need to build one chow JohnBoyUtah aka WR038 UDX38, and KJ7TBR! Love your Videos
Hi John. Merry Christmas to you both. I cannot wait to talk to you on the new VQ3 antenna. . i was amazed when we spoke last time. You where absolutely smashing it over to east of England on your 2 element beam. Crazy signals that day to each other thats for sure. All the best my friend. Happy new year. Best 73s. WR456🇬🇧 Richard.
Mower Junkie, I would like to see you do a 2 element quad. I believe the 2 element quad would be a game changer. I've had two 2 elements and a 4 element quad. My first was built with a 58" boom and the 75 Ohms RG-11 Matching Stub, 14 gauge stranded copper, and 3/8" solid fiberglass fence post rods. Awesome antenna! My locals thought I was ghost talking, but iI was always talking down under, England, Italy, etc. Thank you WR0546.
Of course the yagi has less real estate than the D.loop whitch is a full loop..being closed your noise is going to be alot less.. The sig to noise ratio is the key..great vid..
The vq3 winning is a no brainier vs the vertical if the people your listening to are horizontally polarized. If you are listening to someone on a vertically polarized antenna the VQ3 will suffer greatly. Better to have both options than only one. Your area might be kind of unique because most areas where CB is popular for local chatting, omni-directional verticals are usually the antenna of choice.
If you put small corona balls on the ends of your yagi elements, front and rear, it will cut down on the noise. Might have to slightly retune the beam. Like the old Moonraker had.
Put the v quad on a 45 degree angle a lot of the Old Timers told me that when you put it on a 45° angle that you are able to transmit and receive vertical and horizontal at the same time
The rotor that I have it on is not strong enough to support it in the vertical position, so for now flat side is all I can do. Thanks for watching, Happy Holidays
All depends on conditions..... beam has some sort of gain... typical vertical is noisy...but during certain conditions, can beat a beam.... but not often!!! Have fun John. Enjoy buddy. Merry Christmas, happy new year !! 351 N. Colorado wavin!!
Doing it's job and it's great you got it up on a rotator. Always favored "Loop" elements over parasitic (yagi) ones. They are better performers and much quieter. Your 3 element delta loop likely gives you some dbd gain. Your also getting rid of qrm via the backdoor. The silver rod .. Is that the half-wave you got that's made in the UK? Just me, but I thought it and the v58a were both decent performers.
I have a 1/2 wave Siler rod, But I'm not impressed with it. I also have a Maco V58, and an Antron A-99 But I prefer the Tram 1498 I used in this video.
The only time the VQ3 would win is if the local is on flat side. my vertical is a lot better with other verticals and mobiles. Thanks for watching, Happy Holidays
I can't help but wonder if the extra noise and static could be coming from the garage. Now I'm curious how the garage antenna would sound on the yard pole.
John, you know as well as I do that a beam will beat a omni directional antenna hands down. The signal on the transmit is concentrated in the direction that it is pointed. Also a beam only picks up the radio signal from the direction it is pointed. With a concentrated signal in one direction it increases the gain quite a bit. hope you Barbra, and you son as well as his family have a good Christmas, Miss those old Christmas nights when we used to jump on our Christmas presents showing off and playing with them. When we were all younger and you were living up here with your small engine repair business.
So many people think an Antron will receive as well as a beam, and that a beam only helps with transmit. This video was just to show that a good quality beam also hears more than a vertical antenna. Thanks for watching, Merry Christmas
Has anyone ever tried a homebrew 5/8 wave copper pipe CB antenna? What might be some of the difficulties or pitfalls of such an antenna? I figure if anyone would know or would try it, it may be you!
27.385 lsb has been Mt rag chew channel for years. Can't help but wonder why I've never heard you. Stateside has been in for over 5 months I've gotten to know loads on first name basis.
That looks a tad threatening! Get all your guns on that one, best rig, best amp, fattest conduit coax, but now the yt channel kinda obsoletifies the qsl card. 🤠
Test the beam against one of the 5/8 aluminum ground plane antennas. An Antron type antenna is not the best vertical for the test. I compared one (Antron) to 5/8 GP and the GP was noticeably the winner. When talking locally I sometimes hear a weak signal that the beams, pointed away from the weak signal don't know is there. Of course when I tell them about the weak signal and where it is coming from they can turn that direction and hear it better than me. Beams are good antennas but are not always the best choice, depends on the pocketbook and how much effort you want to invest in maintenance and time spinning them around, GPs suit me best.
50 years ago, it was common to find a vertical omnidirectional antenna mounted on the chimney, and a beam on a tower at least 30' tall. The vertical was for local people, the beam for shooting skip. Under those conditions, there was no comparison between the two. Back then, the beam gave you the advantage of side and back rejection, and if you mounted the beam horizontal you attenuated the local vertical signals that much more.
Hey, long-term viewer here, always enjoy ur vids; HOWEVER, this "A-B" comparison wasn't really a valid one; that is, for a true "vertical vs v-Quad" comparison, u'd have to at least know where the station's located, ir at rmthe very least, k iw their state, so u can turn ur v-Quad in that direction, ti have the most rx gain pointing that direction BEFORE beginning comparing it to the vertical; otherwise, it's really not legit, just randomly choosing stns when ur v-Quad may not even be pointing in that general direction; so please, at first, at least listen long enough to see where someone's located (or their state), turn the antenna THEN compare; at keast that's that's what I do when comparing my 2-ele v-Quad to an IMAX vertical I have at the top of a tall tree; was still an interesting vid but cudda' been more convincing, since we already know that verticals always pick up more noise vs horizontally polarized ones! 73 & HNY! 😃🇺🇸
I'm just a guy showing what I do with my stuff. I'm sorry I didn't give you all the details, the VQ3 was pointed directly at the direction of all the signals coming in.
@@MowerJunkie understand completely, just never saw (or heard) anything that indicated u WERE turning it for each comparison; so please understand, I LOVE ur videos & a-l-w-a-y-s watch 'em, so keep it up & HNY to u & urs!😃🇺🇸
@@MowerJunkiejust when somebody pointed the dirty end of the stick at you, you simply pointed out that they were holding the end of the stick that had all the dog crap on it. many thanks for taking all things into consideration. congratulations on the win...
Victory, The VQ-3 is Very Quiet. John, Envision a 5 ft diameter +/- Tractor Tire filled with concrete or a rimmed tire filled with water/anti.f mix, as a base/counterweight for a tip-over? 🤔 😇73/88 and Merry Christmas. 2DX21 Mike
That is amazing the delta really pulls them in......I ran a regular V quad in the L position for 15 years and it worked great. Can u imagine stacked V Q3's.....
Interesting antenna experiments. This is what our ham radio hobby is about. All the best 26TD29
Great test, thanks for sharing.
Welcome back John we are missing you. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Merry Christmas guys
Excellent video
Like night and day! Can't wait to see what you come up with tower-wise for that antenna.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE BEAM!
Ok, here's my experience: under most circumstances any directional antenna will outperform any omnidirectional antenna. Most circumstances.
When a radio signal is refracted from the ionosphere, the polarity changes. When the dual-polarity antennas like the PDL2 and Moonraker came out the instruction manuals advised operators to switch polarities to see which one worked best.
I have a Penetrator at 25 feet. In the back yard I have a Cushcraft R5 vertical at 10 feet. On ground wave, the Penetrator is at least 2 S-units better than the R5. With skywave signals the height advantage goes away, and although the R5 is a halfwave antenna the higher radiation angle often results in it being stronger than the Penetrator. The Penetrator seems to have a direct line to South Africa, but the R5 does much better to South America. It's higher radiation angle is better able to clear the 1250' hill immediately to the south and west of my 1080' location. The Penetrator does better to Europe...most times. Sometimes the Penetrator will reach into the Middle East, sometimes the R5 runs the table across Europe and Russia.
The answer? Put up the most aluminum you can and enjoy the ride.
right on, thanks for your input. I have a Maco V5000 and love it.
@@parkerriverrat1 That's a good antenna. Modeled after the 1970s Avanti 5/8, it puts a lot of aluminum into the air. I'm happy with the Penetrator because I don't have to worry about burning up the matching coil but it doesn't seem to work as well going south as the Super Magnum did. When I moved here in 1986 I put up a 30' TV tower and a horizontal 4 element Yagi tuned for 10 meters. Paired with a converted TRC-457 it worked quite well, even at 15 watts.
@@spaceflight1019 that's awesome, yeah I was running a A99 and it worked good but the V5000 is way better. So far I love it. Have it up about 40ft and run about 350 watts with it and using a Cobra 2000. Thanks for your videos, I really enjoy watching them.
@@parkerriverrat1 Thanks for watching them. I get to share the fruits of the work I did restoring those radios to OEM so everyone can get an idea of what it was like back in the day.
Put it up in the clear as high as you can get it and don't use old cheap coax either get new decent coax and water proof it well
We like seeing that antenna farm growing !!
Good to hear you on the radio!!! NB785
Thanks for the contact, 73's
When I get my radio back in a few days I'll drop by 27.385. Nice antenna farm.
Blowing smoke John! Merry Christmas from the Lake Murray Rebels! 73, 497!
Thanks Brandon, Merry Christmas
One thing I'm impressed with is the height differential (12' vs 28'). Anytime you can get performance like like at a lower height, that tells you something. Get that baby up on a tower and you're the SC King! Thanks for doing this!
I'm hoping to get it higher soon, I can't wait to see how the VQ3 does with more height.
I have a Maco 3-element and an Antron,I heard less on the Antron, I had a contact from the Philippines on the beam and there was nothing on the Antron
Merry Christmas from cold Connecticut.
Thanks Joe, Merry Christmas.
Hello John.
Your video is very good.
VQ3 has low noise and is easy to hear even weak stations.
In Japan, you can often hear CB stations from the West Coast of the United States.
Thank you from 25Div 73's Good DX ! Have a happy new year!
Thanks for watching, Happy new year!
John great video, I can tell you were a New Yorker, so was I ! I have been out here in Utah fo 30 years plus and people still tell me I can hear that twang! Great Antenna but $322.00, I would need to build one chow JohnBoyUtah aka WR038 UDX38, and KJ7TBR! Love your Videos
🎄🎄Merry Christmas John to you and your family🎄🎄 Great video, 73's
Take care 63, Merry Christmas
Hi John. Merry Christmas to you both. I cannot wait to talk to you on the new VQ3 antenna. . i was amazed when we spoke last time. You where absolutely smashing it over to east of England on your 2 element beam. Crazy signals that day to each other thats for sure. All the best my friend. Happy new year. Best 73s. WR456🇬🇧 Richard.
Thanks Richard, Happy holidays!
Nice antenna's , great video, Merry Christmas to all
have a great day
Happy holidays!
Mower Junkie, I would like to see you do a 2 element quad. I believe the 2 element quad would be a game changer. I've had two 2 elements and a 4 element quad. My first was built with a 58" boom and the 75 Ohms RG-11 Matching Stub, 14 gauge stranded copper, and 3/8" solid fiberglass fence post rods. Awesome antenna! My locals thought I was ghost talking, but iI was always talking down under, England, Italy, etc. Thank you WR0546.
Nice Vidéo! Bravo!
Mr Mower you need a tower
They can be found dirt cheap or free .........ijs
inverted Vee antenna or up right Vee more closely matches the 50 ohm coax than does the standard horizontal dipole and a lot less static
cool video thanks for sharing. Wonder how the VQ3 compairs to a Maco V5000
Merry Christmas
Hope to hear you better when I get the Colossal 10k up.
514 Ontario Canada
Thanks 514, Merry Christmas
nice beam antennas.......
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Hello John, just wanted to let you know I heard you on the delta loop on Vancouver Island and it sounds great. WD 103 , Mike.
Copy that! Thanks Mike, 73's
Very nice, can you upload a video of straigthen UP of the delta loop ?
Haven't seen or heard from ya for a while. Keep yer stick on the ice
UDX-151 keep 2 element for a spare backup in case get a storm.
Of course the yagi has less real estate than the D.loop whitch is a full loop..being closed your noise is going to be alot less.. The sig to noise ratio is the key..great vid..
Thanks for watching, 73's
A beam definitely
Good video mr mower junky hillbilly in the bam waving and I hope you and your family have a great Christmas and new year
Thanks Hillbilly, Merry Christmas
delta loop is a closed system and that is much much lower noise than open antenna systems
How does the maco vq3 compare to the v58?
The vq3 winning is a no brainier vs the vertical if the people your listening to are horizontally polarized.
If you are listening to someone on a vertically polarized antenna the VQ3 will suffer greatly.
Better to have both options than only one.
Your area might be kind of unique because most areas where CB is popular for local chatting, omni-directional verticals are usually the antenna of choice.
If you put small corona balls on the ends of your yagi elements, front and rear, it will cut down on the noise. Might have to slightly retune the beam. Like the old Moonraker had.
the Yagi was also direct feed witch is naturally noisy. a Yagi with a gamma match is a quieter antenna.
Thanks for watching, Happy Holidays.
Put the v quad on a 45 degree angle a lot of the Old Timers told me that when you put it on a 45° angle that you are able to transmit and receive vertical and horizontal at the same time
The rotor that I have it on is not strong enough to support it in the vertical position, so for now flat side is all I can do.
Thanks for watching, Happy Holidays
All depends on conditions..... beam has some sort of gain... typical vertical is noisy...but during certain conditions, can beat a beam.... but not often!!! Have fun John. Enjoy buddy. Merry Christmas, happy new year !! 351 N. Colorado wavin!!
Thanks 351, Merry Christmas
Hey John what type of rotor are you using on that Vq3?
it's an RCA TV antenna rotor. the wind likes to spin it a little, but it gets the job done.
Doing it's job and it's great you got it up on a rotator. Always favored "Loop" elements over parasitic (yagi) ones. They are better performers and much quieter. Your 3 element delta loop likely gives you some dbd gain. Your also getting rid of qrm via the backdoor. The silver rod .. Is that the half-wave you got that's made in the UK? Just me, but I thought it and the v58a were both decent performers.
I have a 1/2 wave Siler rod, But I'm not impressed with it. I also have a Maco V58, and an Antron A-99 But I prefer the Tram 1498 I used in this video.
Merry Christmas John to you and your family from Rob 43SW025.
Thanks Rob, Merry Christmas
Thanks for doing real world comparisons! Have you tried the VQ3 vs. the vertical when talking to locals who are running vertical?
The only time the VQ3 would win is if the local is on flat side. my vertical is a lot better with other verticals and mobiles.
Thanks for watching, Happy Holidays
@@MowerJunkie thank you!
I can't help but wonder if the extra noise and static could be coming from the garage. Now I'm curious how the garage antenna would sound on the yard pole.
it's not noise from the garage, I have shut off the power to the garage and ran the radio from a battery, and the noise level was the same.
John, you know as well as I do that a beam will beat a omni directional antenna hands down. The signal on the transmit is concentrated in the direction that it is pointed. Also a beam only picks up the radio signal from the direction it is pointed. With a concentrated signal in one direction it increases the gain quite a bit. hope you Barbra, and you son as well as his family have a good Christmas, Miss those old Christmas nights when we used to jump on our Christmas presents showing off and playing with them. When we were all younger and you were living up here with your small engine repair business.
So many people think an Antron will receive as well as a beam, and that a beam only helps with transmit. This video was just to show that a good quality beam also hears more than a vertical antenna.
Thanks for watching, Merry Christmas
Has anyone ever tried a homebrew 5/8 wave copper pipe CB antenna? What might be some of the difficulties or pitfalls of such an antenna? I figure if anyone would know or would try it, it may be you!
27.385 lsb has been Mt rag chew channel for years. Can't help but wonder why I've never heard you. Stateside has been in for over 5 months I've gotten to know loads on first name basis.
That looks a tad threatening!
Get all your guns on that one, best rig, best amp, fattest conduit coax, but now the yt channel kinda obsoletifies the qsl card. 🤠
Curious if the coaxial cable was the same? and is the noisy selection happen to be 0n the same position on switch box?
they both have RG-8/X coax. the antenna on the roof has the advantage of only having 36' of coax, the VQ3 in the yard has 70' of coax.
@@MowerJunkie thank you, yep couldn't believe how much noise you were receiving with the other... thanks for demonstrating and sharing 73
Merry Christmas John my Maco 2 element will be back up very soon 73/51 26TG064
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what kind switch box is yours UDX-151.
I'm not sure, It does not have a name on it.
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
A sirio vector 4000 does! Lol
It would be a better comparison if they were both the same height.
The VQ3 is killing it at 12 feet, it would just get better with height.
Exactly.
Test the beam against one of the 5/8 aluminum ground plane antennas. An Antron type antenna is not the best vertical for the test. I compared one (Antron) to 5/8 GP and the GP was noticeably the winner. When talking locally I sometimes hear a weak signal that the beams, pointed away from the weak signal don't know is there. Of course when I tell them about the weak signal and where it is coming from they can turn that direction and hear it better than me. Beams are good antennas but are not always the best choice, depends on the pocketbook and how much effort you want to invest in maintenance and time spinning them around, GPs suit me best.
I have a Maco V58 that will be going back up soon, But I know the VQ3 is going to beat that one too.
50 years ago, it was common to find a vertical omnidirectional antenna mounted on the chimney, and a beam on a tower at least 30' tall. The vertical was for local people, the beam for shooting skip. Under those conditions, there was no comparison between the two. Back then, the beam gave you the advantage of side and back rejection, and if you mounted the beam horizontal you attenuated the local vertical signals that much more.
Hey, long-term viewer here, always enjoy ur vids; HOWEVER, this "A-B" comparison wasn't really a valid one; that is, for a true "vertical vs v-Quad" comparison, u'd have to at least know where the station's located, ir at rmthe very least, k iw their state, so u can turn ur v-Quad in that direction, ti have the most rx gain pointing that direction BEFORE beginning comparing it to the vertical; otherwise, it's really not legit, just randomly choosing stns when ur v-Quad may not even be pointing in that general direction; so please, at first, at least listen long enough to see where someone's located (or their state), turn the antenna THEN compare; at keast that's that's what I do when comparing my 2-ele v-Quad to an IMAX vertical I have at the top of a tall tree; was still an interesting vid but cudda' been more convincing, since we already know that verticals always pick up more noise vs horizontally polarized ones! 73 & HNY! 😃🇺🇸
I'm just a guy showing what I do with my stuff. I'm sorry I didn't give you all the details, the VQ3 was pointed directly at the direction of all the signals coming in.
@@MowerJunkie understand completely, just never saw (or heard) anything that indicated u WERE turning it for each comparison; so please understand, I LOVE ur videos & a-l-w-a-y-s watch 'em, so keep it up & HNY to u & urs!😃🇺🇸
But the Yagi is over your house picking up EMC Noise
it's not noise from the garage, I have shut off the power to the garage and ran the radio from a battery, and the noise level was the same.
@@MowerJunkiejust when somebody pointed the dirty end of the stick at you, you simply pointed out that they were holding the end of the stick that had all the dog crap on it. many thanks for taking all things into consideration. congratulations on the win...
Victory, The VQ-3 is Very Quiet. John, Envision a 5 ft diameter +/- Tractor Tire filled with concrete or a rimmed tire filled with water/anti.f mix, as a base/counterweight for a tip-over? 🤔
😇73/88 and Merry Christmas. 2DX21 Mike