Shimano XT M8100 Race Brakes - Quick Check vs XT M8000
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- #Shimano #XT #brakes launched with 12 speed drivetrain. XT M8100 Race brakes, 2-piston, vs the previous generations M8000 XT hydraulic brakes. All aspects covered: design, options, compatibility, weight, comparison.
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I used the new levers for my Shigura build and the added modulation works really nice with the Magura MT 5. Awesome combo. I agree with you 100% when it comes to bleeding them. The bleeding bucket is an amazing invention.
What cable hose did you use?
the hinge of the clamp seems more pointy than it needs to be, perfect for those knee strikes. Shimano got a deal with kneecap surgeons. Conspiracy!
I noticed that too, it should be more round for sure.
Another fantastic review. Your in depth analysis is always outstanding. Not ready for a brake upgrade yet but when the time comes I'll let your site be my guide. Cheers to you as well.
Bought these brakes and LOVE them. Very good quality product. XC setup here.
And, as always, no seals at MC. Way to go, Shimano!
Excellent, thank you. Very good points and info about the new i-spec EV vs the older i-spec II and the shifter mounting brackets.
I don't know if it has already been said, but with the new XT brakes 8100/8120 it is not necessary to unscrew the screw plug and the olive. It is enough to put the sleeve in the pipe and then simply remove the yellow plug from the screw and insert the pipe and screw it tight. That's it.
I just upgraded my 9 year old Avid Elixir brakes to Deore xt 8120,wow what a difference.
Thanks for your video BTW 📹
You have the best MTB channel by far...i am glad i stumbled upon it. Thank you for sharing your expertise. You gained a new subscriber...
Just got a full shimano XT groupset and 3 things. Hyperglide+ is the truth, ispec ev does make the blike look sleaker and I do feel more modulation on the brakes.
I also have a Deore XT M8100, but I have the impression that the shifter has a long travel compared to the M420. The brake is new, bled, but I didn't drive it because there was a lot of snow
You can adjust bot the reach and bite point on the XTs though
Thank you, excellent as always. The very best!
Good info in the video. I have the m8100 brake levers and am pretty happy with the stopping power. The only issue I have is with the lever blades - I have broken two of them in fairly minor accidents. Replacement m8100 blades seem to be sold out everywhere. Can I swap in a lever blade from older XT brake set? m8000 or earlier?
i have the same problem, did it work?
Since I have the older model and mounted my shifter and dropper remote via the I spec II, I wouldn't bother for this apart from the rear calliper which you mentioned about the cable issue. Looking for a new rear calliper now... Thanks for this, very helpful indeed,.
Hi, love your review. I have a pair of 8100, can I use i-spec II adapter with them?
Unfortunately no, different system altogether.
Thanks for your reply. I have a Bontrager dropper post lever that is i-spec II compatible. So if I want to mount it on my 8100 brake, I need to buy I-spec EV adapter, right?
Yes, if it exists. If not you can probably find the bar clamp option?@@hoangvu9502
6:30 Excellent bit of information here. I wanted to replace my M675 caliper today as one piston gets stuck all the time and can't be mobilized for long. So I bought an M7100 caliper only to find out that the old screw holding down the banjo is way too long for the new caliper.
Wondered if that extra screw included with the caliper was actually intended for the banjo as there are no o-rings and the hole in the side doesn't fully go through the screw, but it's got to be the right one.
NB: Shimano really should bother mentioning details like this in the documentation, which they didn't - the screw even looks different in the retailers' manual...
Take a look at this - ua-cam.com/video/WK5Ve5Vgc8I/v-deo.html
New caliper uses a shorter bolt, the tiny orings are there...
Finally shimano realized brake hoses should be on the inside...
And yet, the freestroke does nothing.
Also thank you shimano for making another i-spec standard that isn't compatible with the previous.
Flo Motorsport 120 MTB lever blades. Check them out. Can upgrade these brakes with better quality/stronger blades. Comes in a variety of colors. Lifetime warranty too.
👍 Thanks for the vid.
What's your experience on "rattling pads"? Thinking about the upgrade to new SLX or Magura MT5. Currently on guide rsc but they're too spongy for me..
I hope you went with the MT5. 😉 Magura is so much better than Shimano. BTW, the hc3 levers work on the MT5.
hey cool video but how did you integrate the sram shifter and the xt brake? thanks
Hi. Thank you for the informative video. Do you know by any chance what adapters should I buy in order to connect my old SLX M7000 i-Spec 2 shifters? Thank you
Good review!
6:33 I think that since the only difference is having the hose coming out at a non stupid side like before, I'd rather go to a different make than just change to a newer model, eg. Magura has much nicer calipers than Shimano and an additional advantage is not having the issue with changing bite point (which, according to a reliable source, comes from the ceramic pistons not being quite perfect, confirmed by changing my annoying XT calipers to a lower, Deore model, the issue disappeared)
Great detail on this review thanks very much
Great video. I just bought a set and installed them. Thank you.😊
@@LoveMTB Love em! Very similar to the Zee.
Very detailed and useful info on this vid, thanks!
Hey mate, great video!
Is it possible to use the Matchmaker X for Xt brakes onto a sram shifter? I am swapping my codes for XT's and the matchmaker looks like it will do the job (maybe with less adjustability).
Love to hear your thoughts.
In theory yes however the tightening bolt could dig into the handlebar as the nut is pretty shallow vs the Shimano. So try it at the risk of damaging your handlebar, it will fit
How do you like the Wolftooth adapter for your Eagle shifter? Do you like the end positioning and is there a lot of adjustment?
@@LoveMTB Thanks! I have a discrete bar clamp for my GX Eagle shifter but don't use it with my current ISpec2 520s (Problem Solver instead). Did you like the shifter positioning with the bar clamp with the new EV brakes? Was the clamp mounted between the clamp and touch point, or all the way inboard?
@@LoveMTB You da man!
So I see no reason to upgrade my XT8000 brakes... Thanks!
Thanks for preview. I have a set of 8100s and feel frustrated that they do not appear to integrate with a SRAM XO/XX1 or other grip shift shifter models. I am I missing something?
You know if they're using the same piston or the 8100 is bigger? I would be interested on the internal comparison between the 2.
Great video and review! Next time twist the oil bottle 180degrees, that will make it so much easier not to spill
Hello, I've just noticed you are using the new 10-52 casette. Would the Shimano XT m8100 sgs RD be able to work with the new casette? It current works for me with an 11-50T NX eagle casette.
Very interesting. From the boxes I see that new one 8100 series calipers use the same levers with 8120. From that point of view I thinks it is possible if I want to upgrade only the 4 piston calipers with old XT levers if the hose is the same..
you have tried the good old saint brakes, haven't you? how far do you think, in terms of stopping power and feel, the new 4 pot slx's from the saints? been looking to replace mine with perhaps newer tech.
@@LoveMTB thank you for the reply.. lever damage unfortunately.. slx it is when the pads wear out a bit..
I looked at the position of the brake yoke and was horrified, since I have a manette mount not i-spec, I just won't get my fingers to the manette lever, thank you Shimano
Hello. Did the new XT lever comes with the brake hose rubber cover that slide on to the lever? Thank you for your video.
@@LoveMTB Oh. Thanks for replying. But what I wanna to do is just to get the lever by itself and have it hook up to my magura caliper. I see that you have to whole set instead. Have you ever just bought the lever itself. I hear shigura is the way to go now a days😁
Can you use the new front brake EV system with the Shimano XT M8000 I-Spec II if not is there an adaptive for the 11-speed shifter ? Thank you for the great info but it didn't answer what I needed to know.
Nice review. Thank you. I am buying these:)...
Do you use xtr a lot in the US?
Any idea if the XT M-8120 4 piston caliper is a direct replacement for the XT M-8000 2 piston caliper? If OEM M-8000 line and banjo are the same it should be a simple part swap and bleed, right?
very helpful i just brought some m 8000 s on sale
no I don'tr plan on new brakes from shimano I have had so much bad luck with Shimano brakes that I refuse to do it. I guess I would need a pallet of shimano brakes to be sure to not run out, cus at the rate it's been going that would be needed, but that would be ridiculous, of course I would not do that, but having brakes leak, and swap brakes and they leak too, and then swap again and they leak, I can't do it.
I doubt that a which has put a spell on all shimano brakes I had.
they need to get proper quality control, inspect and test every single brake.
I seem to have gotten a bad batch.
Where did you buy the adapters? I just buy the 8120 and search adapters for my gx and roxshox reverb 1x remote...
Another question, could you tell me the length and the width of the gap where the shifter clamp goes? Sorry for many questions
With I-SPEC EV mounting, does that mean I will need the WolfTooth adapter to connect SRAM Eagle AXS controller?
What do you think anout this, i found it few days ago on ebay
“Hydraulic brake tool press it for olives connector and insert M-Wave Bike Tool”
You can find it under few brands and the price is around 20$
LoveMTB no, I dodn’t mean on that.
Just google that in quotes.
Thats the tool to make job done, seems fine to me.
It keeps hose steady and clamped, and from top you have other part of tool, which slowly pushes insert in the hose
hi ! im about to upgrade to these brakes . and was wondering , are the width of the callipers the same as the bog standard shimano brakes , that came with my bike . wouldnt like to get them , only to find that they are wider and rub against my rear hub.?
Does you lever push outwards abit ive just bought one and mine does isit normal?
Hi, I bought xt m8100 brakes nad I want to combine them with xt m8000 shifters and I have problem because brake levers and shifter holders don't match.
Have them already and I love them.
LoveMTB yeah I did and I feel the new ones are a little more gentle with the power ramp. Also the new ones ever so slightly look better :)
that clamp adaptor is very similar to the sram style, other than that can't see a lot of difference?? perhaps in use
Can i use the J03A break pads? Or what could be the reason why they aren‘t listed on the box?
Where can I get the adapter brackets from? Going from slx7000 to XT81000 and my adapters for my command post dropper and sram shifters don’t fit
I just bought M8000 for 149,95eu and I had the option to buy the M7100 for the same amount. Did I do a good choice?
@@LoveMTB An old XT but I have to change it someday, Its 3 / 9 gears... No more budget for it xD
How did you put the xo1 shifter in the brake lever? I have a gx shifter that I’m trying to put on my xts with i-spec ev and it doesn’t work
The problem I am having is it doesn’t give me the option to let me purchase the front brake and back brake or does it not work like that
The adapter for the derailleur is included in the package or needs to be purchased
@@LoveMTB sry, adapter for sram shifter
Hi, thank you for reviewing this set. I've got few questions for you. Front and rear caliper seem to be exactly the same, can you confirm by the reference part? Willing to upgrade my hardtail with a four piston caliper at the front only (already 180mm), is the brake pump the same for either 2 and 4 piston caliper? Do you suggest this upgrade or isn't worth?
I'm also upgrading to 12 speed transmission and wondering if a clamp shifter is better in order to have more adjustment freedom (otherwise I have to change brake pump at the same time. I ride right front brake). Thanks for your advice
@@LoveMTB I must be honest, I found your video by chance, then subscribed and watched pretty much all your videos. Very detailed and clearly described.
So, I don't bother about I spec EV and stay on the clamp, maybe I was fascinated by the cleaner whole system, same for the dropper lever. I'm good with my M8000 brake set it feels a bit too flexible under hard braking. If there is a good reason to upgrade is the lever stiffness and the banjo at the inner side. Maybe going to 4 piston at the front only since I'm 1,85 and 85kg. Thank you again
hi i have a question, does a shimano m8000 lever blade fit my m8100 lever? thanks.
Este freno m8100 es compatible con un shifter slx m7000, de los que se pegan al freno?
The lever blades are interchangeable I suppose?
when you have an old shimano bar clamp shifter, and would upgrade to the new brakes. Do you have to move the shifter or can it remain in the same position?
Yes the OG clamps fit between the notch and the brake lever clamps nicely.
i.imgur.com/kO5DeMv.jpg
Wonder if someone could get the XTR levers with the XT caliper and have better feel for less
So can I fit a normal deore shifter through the two contact points between the brake levers?
Where did you get the adapter for ispec 2 shifters?
Where's the link to the right brake lever version?
How much to order sir
can i mix old shifter with m8000 or m8100 lever. i have a old xt 9 speed shifter
MY marlin 7 came with 'Shimano MT200 hydraulic disc', the levers are horrible, can i replace the lever to a deore or better with out replacing the entire brake? I.e. is a Shimano MT200 lever interchangeable with say a XRT BL-M9020?
@@LoveMTB i thought i did this yesterday... THANKS for your reply. I also appreciate your thorough videos. Even when its not my issue I still learn some thing at least tangentially related to my issue. All parts eventually make a whole.
Since nothing changed inside the lever apart from slightly different curve of the servo-wave plates, caliper upgrade is a nice option. Went myself from XT 2pot to SLX 4pot caliper for the front, works great with deore 6000 lever + XT lever blades. I like the design of new calipers a lot it seems like not much but normal banjo and bleed port locations make life a bit easier. I wish shimano would do something about the levers.
@@LoveMTB There are two things I've noticed, totally subjective and unscientific.
And it might sound crazy.
1. It feels like 4 pot has more modulation despite delivering a bit more peak power (comparing finned metal pads).
2. The pads itself. I've been on metal pads since I got onto shimano brakes back in 2014. I recall trying finned resin and metal pads, didn't like the resin ones and stayed on metal. Since the 4 pot caliper I ordered came with resin pads I ordered an extra pair of metal pads. Installed the caliper, bedded in metal pads, works great... and after a month or so decided to try resin pads just for the sake of experiment. And I was quite surprised with the result. I expected them to feel a bit better while transferring a lot less power to the rotor as it was with XT 2 pot back in the day. Well, I was very wrong about the power. They transfer power to the rotor quite good while feeling a lot nicer. Not as grabby as the metal pads, but I don't think I'll need that extra "grabbiness" of metal pads with 4 pot caliper, at least for local spots. So for now metal pads are waiting for a bikepark tests on the shelf.
@@LoveMTB Well, I wanted a bit more power on the front and I got it. As for the price, got the caliper for 45 eur (around 50 bucks) - pretty decent and cost conscious (or I'd like to think so) ugrade.
Do I really need 4 pots for enduro bike with 203mm rotor?
Hi, wondering what's on the inside of the free stroke screw on Shimano XT BL-M8100 brake lever.
How far can you unscrew it before it pops out (as I`ve been told it will). Am installing one, FS screw
is out about 1/8" out and still not much free stroke.
Roy
@@LoveMTB Thx. Am replacing Shimano MT501 lever (no free stroke adjust) with the XT M8100.
The XT had no oil in it, I just attached it to existing hose and did careful bleed, having set reach all
The way out and FS screw out as far as I dared (maybe 3/8"). After adding a syringe full of oil, still
had no bubbles. Thought I'd try it like that anyway, but FS screw unresponsive., still a lot of free stroke.
Did I not add enough oil? Are you saying to remove FS screw and add oil in that cavity?
@@LoveMTB Ha, ..my bubble is burst indeed! Got this XT lever online for sole purpose of having
Free stroke adjustment. Bike came with MT501 levers, rear in particular had 1.5" of free play
Which I found excessive. Any suggestions for this dilemma? Thanks
@@LoveMTB Thx, should've consulted you in the first place, save time and $$. . Great contribution you're making to our sport!
Definitely the go-to guy. Cheers
I'd like to move from Deore brakes to new XT but like to keep my "old" XT shifter. From what I understand, the new 8100 lever (which has the new clamp) would still fit with my stock (2017) XT shifter?
I-Spec II
@@LoveMTB I am interested in the same ... how to attach I-Spec II shifters (SL-M8000) to I-Spec EV brake lever (BR-M8100). I watched the beginning of the video showing how to attach to I-Spec II and an adapter for I-Spec EV to attach Sram shifters. Maybe I missed something in the video since I am not English native but this particular question does not seem to be answered there. If you could provide once again some details... Thank you.
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Do they use the same size piston?
I’m all Shimano. Xt 8000 on the Pivot and xt 8120 on the Santa Cruz Hightower LT. I didn’t know Shimano changed the modulation with the new ones. I really never felt the difference. Only thing I don’t like is the inconsistency of brake engagement. Sometimes it grabs high, sometimes low. Even after bleeding the brakes. You experience that? I notice it more on the rear brakes.
Yeah. I probably bleed my brakes one a month. Still get bubbles.
When I first installed the brakes I use the syringe. Then use only the bottle afterwards.
Hi, is the shimano m8000 shifter 1x11 compatible to shimano m1100 brake lever? plan to upgrade. many thanks.
@@LoveMTB oh my bad. Its m8100.
hello sir. is the m8100 lever compatible with the m8000 brakes? ive been having the leak issue on my m8000 brake levers. thanks
@@LoveMTB i mean can i not use the m8100 levers for the m8000 calipers. I cant find m8000 levers atm no one sells it here in my country. Im not talking about the shifters, im talking about brake levers😅
What does "race" mean? Are they not suited for amateurs because of something? Should I get M8000 or M8100? :)
@@LoveMTB Oh, thank you! That's the one I need for my xc bike!
Do you suggest buying M8100 for 185€ or go with the M8000€ for 20€ less?
Thank you for pointing that out! So i couldn't mount my M780 (with indicator) next to the M8100 brake lever?
I like these shifters, so buying new ones for mounting on the levers (without gear indicators) isn't an option :/
the new clamp has a much better design, it gives more clearance, for stifter remote, I use Archer D1Xtrail, but with a clamp like this it would not be a problem, but I have TRP Spyke on my bike, which also gives great clearance, but it's a different design.
@@LoveMTB I like the clamping method and the clearance, the bolt placement but not the pointy hinge they need to have it rounded off. Strange.
@@LoveMTB how do you know?
@@LoveMTB Shimano seems to always have a improvement to add, it's like they are doing it intentionally, ridiculous.
make a clamp that sucks, then improve it in some way, but it still is not perfect, improve stiffness, add support, thing, did they just try to copy Trickstuff?😀
@@LoveMTB with Deore M6000 I noticed the flex. but I brake hard, and a lot.
Does it comes with an adaptor for xt m8100 ispecEV shifter? From the photo of the xt m8100 ispecEV shifter i can only see a shifter with a screw.
Thank you...
I could find the shimano adapter in the video or may be i just missed it.
Can you use that same isev tab to mount the wolf tooth dropper lever to the shimano brake lever ?
@@LoveMTB thanks. Sorry didnt take the time to look in description
what do you recommend for new xt cassette 10-45 or 10-51?
There should be tools online where you can compare your current gearing ratios to the new ones.
And depending of your needs you can estimate what suits your riding style and location the best.
If you don't have any steep sections near you, then the small gears are quite pointless anyways but if you do, 10-51 can be helpful.
It also depends on your front chainring(s) of course.
I ride a cannondale scalpel in upstate NY, pretty hilly, no climbs over 300-400ft. Average ride will be 120ft elevation gain per mile. I was looking at the 10-45 for closer steps but based on the gear ratios I wasn’t certain that it would provide a huge difference to give up the extra range of the 10-51. 34x10 provides sufficient top end speed but I was debating whether or not 34x45 would be sufficient for climbing. The XT does not offer the short derailleur that the XTR does so I wouldn’t be gaining any ground clearance
I don’t know if you can answer this but I wondering if I can put a 203XTR rotor
.... on my code RSC brake ... ( uses Usually 200 mm centreline rotors
Can I just buy new caliper and lever and use the old hose?
Yes but it wouldn't be any cheaper
Can you use the m8020 4 piston caliper on the m8100 lever and hoses
Thank you so much. I have m8100 XT 2 piston brakes but will be installing m8020 4 piston calipers on
M8100 definitely nicer looking than M8000. The metal finish looks very high end.
What is rhe use of circular thing at the end?( Towards the lever side
@@LoveMTB wait i got it its a disc where factories use to bleed the brakes
@@LoveMTB no i am talking about the plastic circular disc
Is this shimano xt m8100 brakes I spec ev compatible with sram shifter?
You need some sort of a mismatch adapter.
At 7.38, where your finger is, is that a scratch or a crack? Hope a scratch 🤞
@@LoveMTB on the seat stay?
@@LoveMTB thank Christ for that 👍, my trek 9.9ssl has got a suspected crack, it could just be the aluminium dropout flexing at a different rate to the carbon, cracking the extremely hard paint 🤞
6:01 better then the hydraulic line getting caught in the spokes destroying everything tho
Dude what's the point of using this feature here!?!
@@LoveMTB I personally am not a huge fan of this format, because I never happen to be watching UA-cam just when one starts this and the notifications don't work well.
@@LoveMTB there is the harm, that there is no clear indication that it's not a normal video, you click on it and see that it's going to be released in 24h, it's just annoying, at least it's not pinned to the top of the page anymore like it used to. The thing is that this feature is essentially pointless for videos that don't have to be released at an exact time for some reason, and even then it works best if it's just 2-3h tops, otherwise the "premiere" is forgotten anyway, so it doesn't bring anything to the table.
Can the Pistons in the LEVER be SERVICED ??? or TAKEN APPART FROM THE BORE ?
SHIGURA !!!
Shimano Brake LEVER with Magura Calipers - GERMANS says WORKS AMAZING !!!
@@LoveMTB No Conversion yet - but i do have the Magura mts and mt2 also shimano chrome xt and deore units .
cool
Nice but I like 4 pot 😉
Do you need to put some flued in
Are same shit. Just a couple things, it means more expensive. Doesnt work for me. Im going to keep old ones on my bike and money in my wallet.
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